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SportsWriter2
09-01-2005, 06:15 PM
This is how Gary raises money to buy lapdances. :)

Katrine
09-02-2005, 10:55 AM
How to Use Black Magic to Get Women
Gary Brodsky
GB Media Inc.

Double-yewe tee eff?! Now we're using black magic? Now we have to go to hell to get laid? In this, the final chapter of the encyclopedia of getting laid, Gary has us pulling out "the red candles" and covering ourselves with "Do As I Say oil" (I swear on my mother's life, I'm not kidding). I am totally speechless. Goodbye.

You can't make this shit up, LOL!

:spit::rotfl:

Celtic Knight
09-03-2005, 10:09 PM
When I buy sex, I am not really buying sex. I am paying the lady to leave!

lucy801
09-03-2005, 11:05 PM
LUNCH
If you're selling it, you have two categories of food in your fridge: nonfood and cry-for-help food. The first category is things like protein bars and celery with a Crystal Lite chaser: just enough food to kill the hunger pains but not enough to add any calories. Category two is about secretly trying to get fat and sabotage your career. Every few days these gals will break out of category one and make a jar of mayonnaise or an entire tub of ice cream disappear in seconds. Then it's back to energy drinks. The only consistent thing about what they eat is they all LOVE drinking pink cider. I don't know why.

Mastridonicus
09-03-2005, 11:56 PM
When I buy sex, I am not really buying sex. I am paying the lady to leave!

Is it that? Or is that you're buying sex from a lady who is going to want to leave the second job is completed.

You're statement only works in the odd sense that the seller would otherwise give what they are selling, for free.

::Mast::

CuriousJ
10-07-2005, 09:45 PM
No problem with buying - but I hate the fact that there are no coupons for this lol . I have paid a few times in the distant past and now I am reaching an age that it will cost me one way or another lol ...

steve65
10-08-2005, 12:57 AM
I think you missed his point, When you get married or the girl moves in with you, you have to pay for everything for a long long time and most of what you are paying for is not sex. When you buy sex you are paying only a fraction of what you would pay if the girl stayed. Hence you are really paying her to leave.

FBR
11-01-2005, 06:43 PM
Okay, I'm done whining. :(

Whining? Give me a break. You get to be my age, then youve got something to whine about. Every morning I prostrate myself, praying towards Rome, Jerusalem and Mecca (to cover my ass on all counts) thanking God/Jehovah/Allah that I have the money to party hard with women half my age. When youre my age thats the price you expect to pay. When you are in your twenties or thirties, you have time to do something about your situation. If you need to lose weight, dress better, get a better hairstyle or whatever, then do it. Its still a game at the SC but you will feel a whole lot better about yourself which will help you in your real life.

FBR

dlabtot
11-02-2005, 12:58 AM
Buying sex is basically just a very expensive way to masturbate.

SportsWriter2
11-02-2005, 07:19 AM
Buying sex is basically just a very expensive way to masturbate.

And without the nice feedback control. :-\

Mastridonicus
11-02-2005, 09:23 AM
I dunno,

I've been in a vagina,

and my hand.

Survey prefers....Vagina.

Katrine
11-02-2005, 05:52 PM
I dunno,

I've been in a vagina,

and my hand.

Survey prefers....Vagina.

My hand has been in a vagina.}:D

xdamage
11-03-2005, 05:45 AM
I suppose some guys do it just to get off, but if that was all there was to it they they could probably get it for free from some woman their own age, or looks (i.e., yes, one that in the looks or intelligence department is pretty much just like us). It seems it's more often about the need to have sex (of some sort) with a woman that is genetically better (in some way, even if it is just youthfulness) then the sex someone can get for free.

yoda57us
11-03-2005, 08:06 AM
Buying sex is basically just a very expensive way to masturbate.

You're paying the wrong people for sex.

threlayer
11-03-2005, 08:34 AM
At least when you BUY it, you have a chance to negotiate the flavor you want. Then when you are done at the dessert stand, you are expected to move on with your life until you again have an appetite.

Problem with some of us is that we have that appetite several times a day and those calories Mount up way too fast.

One big problem with marriage (or some version of matehood) is that some of us forget what it really is. For both sexes it is the (relatively) safe union to provide convenient SEX for the individuals. For humans or for animals, it is to provide an outlet for our urges, which biologically result in offspring unless we (as humans at least) use a technology to prevent it. When a marriage becomes devoid of sufficient sex (for either or both), then that marriage has no biological purpose.

Doesn't matter how we rationalize it, without sex we dry up emotionally. So if you aren't getting it and still choose to stay married, how friggin' DARE you ex-mate you to give you problems when you go out for what that mate cannot, or will not, provide. Oh, we can rationalize our way out of it with morality, laws, obligations, etc, but ther need is still there, no matter how we try to to hide it away from ourselves.

One exception, if you two are trying to have kids or having them anyhow, you certainly owe your mate the responsibility to await the time when you again can have the full range of sexual activities you want. So you can't poke her right now; you two can still play in many other ways. At least most of the time. I suppose there are a few temporary exceptions, such as sickness, travel, severe (but temporary) emotional stress. I mean we can be civil about it, but those things do not remove our motivation. Suppress your biology and you suppress your life.

So if you need to buy it, just be careful out there. It is a jungle.

MassLapper
12-24-2005, 10:14 AM
What do u think..... why BUY sex ?

Why not???

Optimist
01-14-2006, 12:57 PM
Guys take the wife to a spa away from the kids for the weekend one or two towns away. Turn your cell phones off. Get her relaxed and pampered and guys get relaxed and pampered too, buy her a hot see-through night gown and some saucy wigs. Tell her how hot she is in each one and I bet after all of that you'd never have to pay someone because she'd be horny as TEN women!

Krazyjane
01-16-2006, 08:21 PM
Clark Gable once said that he hired hookers because he could pay them to go away. WHen you're a celebrity, you've got gold-diggers and rabid fans left and right, trying to get a hunk of you. Prostitutes are private people who try to stay out of the spotlight, which is what these stars want.

Wwanderer
01-18-2006, 08:55 AM
My ATF provider/escort, and one of the most intelligent people I ever met, has pointed out to me that prostitution is the most honest and open (i.e., without hidden motives and agendas) sexual relationship that most men and women can or do experience and that that fact alone makes it worthwhile.

Please excuse my faux pas of self-quotation, but I realized that my above post in the "Being a Money Slave" thread belonged here just as much or more.

-Ww

yoda57us
01-20-2006, 04:30 PM
I think it's a mistake to assume there are no hidden motives or agendas on either end simply because an open exchange of cash is involved.

Some men fall in love with their escorts just like they fall in love with their strippers.

Once you are a girl's regular (stripper or escort) they want the cashflow to continue and will do whatever they have to to assure that it does. The sex is already there so the next step is to start blowing smoke up the guy's ass and telling him that he's special or "different".

Bottom line: Never let your guard down....ever.

contheboyalready
01-21-2006, 04:24 AM
Bottom line: Never let your guard down....ever.

Certainly this is true in any *business* transaction, which is the topic here. But is this a wise philosophy when dealing with the opposite sex outside of a business transaction? The balance between doormat and cynical player isn't simple for either sex. When it's simply a business transaction, the assumption of pure profit motive on the seller's part is reasonable.

I have a hard time believing that knowledge of the seller's motive has no impact on the buyer's experience. Hence the increasing popularity of the "GFE" con. A customer that protests he has no interest in a fantasy is either delusional or frequenting glory hole clubs.

yoda57us
01-21-2006, 08:12 AM
Certainly this is true in any *business* transaction, which is the topic here. But is this a wise philosophy when dealing with the opposite sex outside of a business transaction?

No it's not. I meant it strictly in the context of a business transaction.
For me that's the difference. Business driven sexual encounters can be a lot of fun for the buyer but the one element that will (and should) always be missing is total trust.

Total trust can only happen when two people know enough about each other to enjoy the relationship without looking over their shoulders. This doesn't mean you will never get hurt but it will be based on an emotional commitment, not how much money you are spending on her.

There is always an agenda on both sides when there is money involved.

mr_punk
01-21-2006, 12:38 PM
Certainly this is true in any *business* transaction, which is the topic here. But is this a wise philosophy when dealing with the opposite sex outside of a business transaction?why would you even compare the two? they're not equivalent types of relationships.

Total trust can only happen when two people know enough about each other to enjoy the relationship without looking over their shoulders. This doesn't mean you will never get hurt but it will be based on an emotional commitment, not how much money you are spending on her.agreed.

Hence the increasing popularity of the "GFE" con.a word so overused that it has lost all objective meaning.

smartcookie
01-21-2006, 03:42 PM
Clark Gable once said that he hired hookers because he could pay them to go away. WHen you're a celebrity, you've got gold-diggers and rabid fans left and right, trying to get a hunk of you. Prostitutes are private people who try to stay out of the spotlight, which is what these stars want.

That quote is more often attributed to Charlie Sheen.

jarhead
01-21-2006, 07:24 PM
Hey, stupid question, I know, but what does GFE stand for? Have seen it before and have wracked my brain trying to figure out the acronym.

FBR
01-21-2006, 07:36 PM
Girl Friend Experience.

Very much subject to interpretation.

FBR

Wwanderer
01-21-2006, 07:51 PM
I was around (under a different screen name) in the early days of the old a.s.p (alt.sex.prostitution) network newsgroup, the first online forum devoted to prostitution, when the GFE term was first coined. It never had a particularly clear and crisp definition, but it was originally used to refer to the style or mood in which an escort provided service to her customer. It later evolved to refer to what specific services she provided...usually specified by a list of accronyms. These days it doesn't seem to mean anything very specific except to be a vaguely positive adjective describing an escort's services. It doesn't *reliably* mean much more than "good" in current usage.

However, I think ctba is basically correct re "GFE", at least as the term was originally used, although maybe it referred to her "apparent motive" than her "real one".

-Ww

smartcookie
01-21-2006, 09:42 PM
Well, I know that Wwanderer considers himself the resident expert on all matters pertaining to whores and whoring around the world, but "GFE" stands for "Girlfriend Experience". Basically, it means an escort who:

(1) DFKs, or deep french kisses;
(2) Sucks your cock without a condom (BBBJ, or bareback blowjob);
(3) Lets you DATY, or dine at the Y, aka eat her out; and
(4) Pretends to enjoy #1 - #3

All of these acronyms were coined by self-identified hobbyists, or men for whom seeing escorts is a lifestyle and not an occasional indulgence. If you want to spend more time amongst likeminded fucktards, I mean people, I recommend theeroticreview.com.

contheboyalready
01-22-2006, 04:08 AM
...coined by self-identified hobbyists, or men for whom seeing escorts is a lifestyle and not an occasional indulgence. If you want to spend more time amongst likeminded fucktards, I mean people....

When I think "hobbyist", I think "total dork." The euphemism these boys picked for their addiction to prostitutes is accurate in that regard.

SportsWriter2
01-22-2006, 10:48 AM
When I think "hobbyist", I think "total dork."
Me, too. Why do it as a hobby when you can play it as a sport?

yoda57us
01-22-2006, 02:38 PM
All of these acronyms were coined by self-identified hobbyists, or men for whom seeing escorts is a lifestyle and not an occasional indulgence. If you want to spend more time amongst likeminded fucktards, I mean people, I recommend theeroticreview.com.


When I think "hobbyist", I think "total dork." The euphemism these boys picked for their addiction to prostitutes is accurate in that regard.

Interesting, as member and poster on both SCJ and TER I'm curious. Am I a "fucktard" on both boards or only when I post on TER?:-\

There is obvious hostility in both of your posts ladies and I honestly don't understand why. You do what you do and escorts do what they do. I don't go to a strip club looking to get laid and I don't call an escort when I want to have a few laughs and buy a few dances from a pretty girl. I'm not quite clear on what makes paying for a sex act that both parties agree to any different than paying for a lapdance./:O

Jenny
01-22-2006, 04:04 PM
It's not the act of paying for sex - and I would be very surprised if either of these particular ladies had any issues with escorting. It's when guys DEFINE themselves by these particular acts that it starts getting kind of pathetic. When it's no longer "I'm going to go out and have a few laughs" and becomes "I'm working on this one dancer and wearing her down" kind of thing. When it becomes a lifestyle instead of an indulgence it starts to seem kind of contemptible to me. The "fucktards" are readily identifiable not because they use offensive language - they might not use offensive language but because of the obvious investment of their indentity in these particular activities. And y'all know who you are.

Although just a point - I think the idea that one is "paying escorts to go away when the sex is over" is... well, completely and totally wrong. As a dancer, at least, I have rarely sold dances to a guy who doesn't want to see more of me; indeed our problem tends to run to the opposite. I would be surprised if the bulk of escort clientele was made up of guys that, given the option, wouldn't still want them there in the proverbial morning.

yoda57us
01-22-2006, 05:22 PM
It's not the act of paying for sex - and I would be very surprised if either of these particular ladies had any issues with escorting. It's when guys DEFINE themselves by these particular acts that it starts getting kind of pathetic.

You may be right, in fact you are probably are right. My issue is with the generalizations contained in both posts. It's up to the customer (in either or both cases) to draw the line between lifestyle or occasional "hobby" - gee, there's that word, so does it mean full feldged escort junkie or "hobby" as in a diversionary activity that folks sometimes indulge in for relaxation. I don't know, it's a grey area but I do read TER and correspond with many men on the site who consider themselves hobbyists and only book 3 or 4 dates a year. The generalization bothers me the same way "She say's she doesn't do OTC but every woman has her price." bothers me when applied to dancers.


Although just a point - I think the idea that one is "paying escorts to go away when the sex is over" is... well, completely and totally wrong.

I agree, what we ARE paying for however is the choice. Just as I have chosen the wrong dancer and left a club after one dance to avoid being dogged all night, I have also gotten dressed before the hour was up and held the door open for a few outcalls in my time. OTOH, I have let many hang around as long as they liked (provided it was off the clock)to the point of a ordering breakfast a few times. Some hobbyists refer to this as "not being a clock watcher", though I wouldn't know.....;)

smartcookie
01-22-2006, 05:27 PM
Interesting, as member and poster on both SCJ and TER I'm curious.

Quel surprise.

Am I a "fucktard" on both boards or only when I post on TER?:-\

Both.

Seriously, the message boards there are straight out of Alexander Pope's The Duncead. TER makes SCJ/SW look like a gathering of Mensa.

I don't think you know where I'm coming from, since I put in more time as an escort than as a dancer. I had reviews on TER, very flattering ones (and I didn't fuck Dave aka Staff to get them, either), but they brought me only a few nice clients, and a lot of truly awful ones.

It's one thing to occasionally check reviews when occasionally seeing an escort, but when you define yourself as full-time "hobbyist" in a special secret club, and seek approval from your online "brethren" by compulsively collecting and categorizing sex workers and attempting to outdo one another with stupid acronyms, that's kind of sad. Seeing prostitutes is not a challenge - it's a simple equation: you pay her, she fucks you. All of this "I was an original alt.sex.prostitution poster and I'm a HIGHLY respected hobbyist" stuff is nonsense. It's not a badge of pride, and frankly, assembling model ships or collecting stamps is a more impressive feat.

Most of the above-described "hobbyists" are not very surprisingly very single. One more reason why I preferred married clients.

I'd be careful as a member of TER, since Dave's love of media attention is going to bite him in the ass and soon.

yoda57us
01-22-2006, 06:43 PM
Smartcookie: I would be inclined to agree with you as far as most of the boards go on TER. Boston's board is actually well moderated and most of the wack jobs that drop in from NYC or other areas get ignored or deleted.



I see escorts; I find some of them on TER. I read and write reviews on them so that:

1. I will not waste my money on women who provide bad service.

2. I can say something good bout a woman who provides good service so that other guys will spend money on her.

3. I can let other guys know about a woman who is ripping people off.



I'm not naive enough to think that whoever owns TER doesn't have an agenda. I don't know who he is. I could care less. It doesn't affect me. If he gets shut down tomorrow I'm just another fiction writer on his site. No big deal.



If, while you where escorting, you where somehow wronged by TER I don't blame you for being less than enthusiastic about he site. I take exception to your generalization that anyone who uses the site is a "fucktard". Generalizations promote stereotypes and are nothing more than the easy way out of an argument. I donít buy into it when escorts or dancers are being stereotyped on TER or SCJ. I donít buy into it where customers are concerned either.



There are dozens of women in the Boston area with pages and pages of good TER reviews all from a community of men who have paid for their services. These women benefit from their positive reviews. I find the same to be true in many areas that I travel to throughout the US.



Yes, there are morons on TER. There are chest-thumping blowhards who act like paying a woman for sex is the equivalent of climbing Mt. Everest. So what? That same sort of BS exists here and on every other board I've ever been on. I use the board for my purposes and ignore the BS. It's not that hard to do.

SportsWriter2
01-22-2006, 07:15 PM
Both.
Smartcookie, I think you should give Yoda probation and community service on both counts. He doesn't deserve jail time. :-\

smartcookie
01-22-2006, 07:41 PM
Putting aside how odd it is for men to talk about, dissect, and compare and contrast their sexual experiences with the same women in an online milieu, and how utterly and completely homoerotic that is,



I'm not naive enough to think that whoever owns TER doesn't have an agenda. I don't know who he is. I could care less. It doesn't affect me. If he gets shut down tomorrow I'm just another fiction writer on his site. No big deal

Oh really? Can you be so sure? For example,

(1) Boston is an agency town. Agencies give TER extra cash incentives to pad their scores and remove negative reviews, and also give the owner free sessions when girls tour within or a reasonable distance from L.A.

(2) Fake reviews predominate, because TER gives a 2 week free VIP pass for every review submitted and many are too cheap to pay a measly $17 a month. I had a total of 8 reviews in my escort career, which lasted about a year, during which I saw no more than 5-8 clients a month (the ratio of reviews submitted to actual clients seen is about 1:10 - do the math on the belledejour.net girls yourself). Three of my reviews were completely fabricated by strangers. That's not an acceptable margin of error for me, particularly.

(3) It's nice that you don't care about , but some prefer to do business with sites that operate with a little more integrity.

Besides all of that, TER's pimpmaster general gave a radio interview on the John London Show and was interviewed in two different MSNBC articles this past week. That is not smart. If you believe the 'fictional disclaimer' is a bulletproof blanket protection, if you don't know how being a member on a site that the Department of Justice has firmly within its sights could harm you in the not-too-distant future...then I'm not going to tell you :-X

I am beyond relieved to be done with TER and its users.

yoda57us
01-22-2006, 08:25 PM
Smart Cookie: I'm not saying anything here to glorify TER.



I know what TER is and I know about all of the improprieties. As I've said, I use the site as a means of gaining information. I have used it for almost three years and never been steered wrong when relying on their reviews for helping me in choosing a provider.



I've been with women who asked me not to write reviews and I have respected that wish. I also known other providers who felt exactly as you did. That's fine. Last time I checked, nobody forces any provider to have anything to do with TER if they don't want to. You can simply ask to be de-listed. It happens all the time.



It's not against the law to talk about sex on the internet. I'm not worried.



You've obviously got issues with TER and I quite honestly can understand your problems with the site. That's your fight not mine. You are indicting thousands of contributors, most of whom use the site the same way I do, because you have an issue with the site owners and their cronies. Most of us don't know these people. Most of the ladies I see ask me if I'm going to write something good about them.



My only issue here is with your assumption that any guy who logs on to TER is, in your words, a fucktard. When you make a blanket assumption like that is your assertion any different than when some troll comes onto SCJ or SW and says that all dancers are whores? Is there any more truth to it?

Wwanderer
01-22-2006, 09:06 PM
It's one thing to occasionally check reviews when occasionally seeing an escort, but when you define yourself as full-time "hobbyist" in a special secret club, and seek approval from your online "brethren" by compulsively collecting and categorizing sex workers and attempting to outdo one another with stupid acronyms, that's kind of sad. Seeing prostitutes is not a challenge - it's a simple equation: you pay her, she fucks you. All of this "I was an original alt.sex.prostitution poster and I'm a HIGHLY respected hobbyist" stuff is nonsense. It's not a badge of pride, and frankly, assembling model ships or collecting stamps is a more impressive feat.

I have always thought that it is a bit "too cute" to call seeing prostitutes on a regular basis the/a "hobby", but the character of the online "hobby" sites, communities and members actually seems to me to be one of the ways it most resembles conventional hobbies:

For example, I have 4 (male) friends of roughly my age who are very heavily into their own hobbies, namely golf, model railroading, collecting antique Japanese swords and (sail) boating. Three of the 4 (not the J sword guy, as far as I know) are very active in net communities (message board centered) which very much resemble the prostitution communities/sites with which I am familiar. There are endless, repetitive threads discussing various technical and stylistic details of the hobby, there is a lot of bragging and trying to impress the other guys with your knowledge or experience or equipment or whatever, there is a lot of trading of tips and gossip and leads, there are tangential discussions that veer off into totally unrelated topics (e.g., politics), there are personality conflicts and board drama, online friendships and feuds form and occasionally even spill over into real life, obscure insider jargon (and accronyms!) are invented and used, in part, to distinguish community insiders from outsiders, "pecking orders" emerge and evolve etc. I really have a hard time seeing much fundamental difference in character between these conventional hobby sites and PMBs (prostitution message boards).

Now, of course, you might say that it is idiotic or pathetic or whatever for a grown man to get that wrapped up in golf or sailing or model railroading or whatever and that you could only respect a guy who has enough of a "real life" that he only participates in such hobbies for a little light hearted fun, etc. But if that is not your take on guys who get so wrapped up in other hobbies, it is not clear why you single out the PMBs for such scorn.

Btw, TER is perhaps the major PMB in which I have least participated, been a few years since I have even glanced at it, so maybe we are talking on the basis of quite different board experiences.


Most of the above-described "hobbyists" are not very surprisingly very single.

This assertion makes me suspect that we are coming from places which are somehow very different. It is my definite experience, based on quite a few different boards over quite a few years, that the large majority are married...around 90% I'd estimate.


when some troll comes onto SCJ or SW and says that all dancers are whores? Is there any more truth to it?

A rhetorical question, I know, but it is such a good one that it deserves reposting. That is exactly it, of course; a large majority of people seem to need to hold one or more other groups of people in contempt (or worse) on the grounds of some generalization or the other. An old old old story, though no less sad or needless for it.

-Ww

SportsWriter2
01-22-2006, 09:11 PM
(3) It's nice that you don't care about , but some prefer to do business with sites that operate with a little more integrity.
Pssst, Yoda. This is where you say, "Nobody said it was Sunday school." ;)

Jenny
01-22-2006, 09:59 PM
What the fuck does that even mean? When did Sunday School become the exclusive arena of treating people with decency? When did that happen? When did I close my eyes wake up in a place where human decency was reserved for special arenas?

We all know it isn't Sunday School. The fact that you are not in church does not give you license to condone or participate in blatant abuse and borderline sexual assault in a goddam coffee shop, classroom, office or hotel room. One can exchange sex for money, be perfectly decent about it and not participate in abusive sub-culture, and actually think that the women who sinking so low as to provide you with this service are still human enough to warrant human treatment is a venue besides Sunday School. Christ. Reading that kind of crap really makes you realize that customers are the problem with this fucking business.

Wwanderer
01-22-2006, 10:01 PM
Well, I know that Wwanderer considers himself the resident expert on all matters pertaining to whores and whoring around the world, but "GFE" stands for "Girlfriend Experience". Basically, it means an escort who:

(1) DFKs, or deep french kisses;
(2) Sucks your cock without a condom (BBBJ, or bareback blowjob);
(3) Lets you DATY, or dine at the Y, aka eat her out; and
(4) Pretends to enjoy #1 - #3

People who use a GFE definition like the above typically also include "multiple pops" being allowed (i.e., she doesn't leave and/or refuse further service after the customer cums the first time if he wants to continue) and minimal "clock watching" on her part (i.e., she doesn't bring the session to an abrupt end if it hits its nominal time imit nor does she charge extra if it takes a bit longer than the nominally purchased time to wind down to a natural feeling conclusion). The above definition with these additions is probably the most commonly understood meaning of the term.

It is, however, also all too easy to find people, both reviewers and escorts themselves, who use "GFE" as a vague positive adjective and deny that it has any specific meaning in terms of the above accronyms etc.

Finally, the oldest and original usage of the term referred more to mood and style than to any such specifics.

If you are incredibly bored or are having trouble to getting to sleep, you can read about these matters in almost unbelievably long and tedius detail at

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14552

or

http://www.utopiaguide.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20464

or many other similar threads on that site which you can locate easily with its search function. (You have to register a screen name there, but no charge, before you can read that site.) Lots of other places you can look too, of course.

-Ww

Richard_Head
01-22-2006, 10:04 PM
What the fuck does that even mean? When did Sunday School become the exclusive arena of treating people with decency? When did that happen? When did I close my eyes wake up in a place where human decency was reserved for special arenas?

We all know it isn't Sunday School. The fact that you are not in church does not give you license to condone or participate in blatant abuse and borderline sexual assault in a goddam coffee shop, classroom, office or hotel room. One can exchange sex for money, be perfectly decent about it and not participate in abusive sub-culture, and actually think that the women who sinking so low as to provide you with this service are still human enough to warrant human treatment is a venue besides Sunday School. Christ. Reading that kind of crap really makes you realize that customers are the problem with this fucking business.
Have a bad day?

Jenny
01-22-2006, 10:05 PM
No!
Well, yes, but that's not the point!

mr_punk
01-22-2006, 11:07 PM
When I think "hobbyist", I think "total dork." The euphemism these boys picked for their addiction to prostitutes is accurate in that regard.LOL..i just love it when sex workers talk this way. it's sort of like hearing an arms dealer speaking in favor of tighter gun restrictions.

Putting aside how odd it is for men to talk about, dissect, and compare and contrast their sexual experiences with the same women in an online milieu, and how utterly and completely homoerotic that is,LOL...oh, spare me. it's about as odd as strippers exchanging information on the best clubs to work, where to buy cheap stripper shoes, etc. furthermore, i don't have to tell you there's a lot of shadiness and flakiness in the business and there are no guarantees. so, what would be the alternative to exchanging information about sex workers? what?..to simply trust the sex worker's word?

(3) It's nice that you don't care about what the powers that be at that site do to women, but some prefer to do business with sites that operate with a little more integrity.oh, stop it with the social arm twisting. no one is obligated to be your white knight. unless, an escort passport is being held hostage. why should anyone feel bad about any escort who willingly allows herself to get pimped out by TER? furthermore, if you're looking for integrity in your industry. you'll have better luck finding it by getting out of the industry. it's illegal. what did you expect? the mormon tabernacle choir?

oh yeah, Dave in Phoenix? mr. massage himself? oy, i remember his posting, his spam and his ludicrious claims, of making strippers orgasam from the power of touch massage, from ass-c years ago. a total jackass.

Last time I checked, nobody forces any provider to have anything to do with TER if they don't want to. You can simply ask to be de-listed. It happens all the time.oh no. why, that would be too simple and too responsible of a task.

You've obviously got issues with TER and I quite honestly can understand your problems with the site. That's your fight not mine.i couldn't agree more.

mr_punk
01-22-2006, 11:21 PM
The "fucktards" are readily identifiable not because they use offensive language - they might not use offensive language but because of the obvious investment of their indentity in these particular activities. And y'all know who you are.sigh..i hope this isn't going to turn out to be another one of your big ethics lectures. the last time you gave one. you seemed to have a bit of a problem spotting all the ethically challenged weasels.

It's not the act of paying for sex - and I would be very surprised if either of these particular ladies had any issues with escorting. It's when guys DEFINE themselves by these particular acts that it starts getting kind of pathetic. When it's no longer "I'm going to go out and have a few laughs" and becomes "I'm working on this one dancer and wearing her down" kind of thing. When it becomes a lifestyle instead of an indulgence it starts to seem kind of contemptible to me.why do you even care? hell, you might even get a new doggie coat out of it.

Although just a point - I think the idea that one is "paying escorts to go away when the sex is over" is... well, completely and totally wrong. As a dancer, at least, I have rarely sold dances to a guy who doesn't want to see more of me; indeed our problem tends to run to the opposite.no, it isn't completely wrong. some men have an appetite for a variety of women and you're also going to have that group that likes to make goo-goo eyes.

What the fuck does that even mean? When did Sunday School become the exclusive arena of treating people with decency? When did that happen? When did I close my eyes wake up in a place where human decency was reserved for special arenas?oh great, it is going to be a big ethics lecture.

One can exchange sex for money, be perfectly decent about it and not participate in abusive sub-culture, and actually think that the women who sinking so low as to provide you with this service are still human enough to warrant human treatment is a venue besides Sunday School. Christ. Reading that kind of crap really makes you realize that customers are the problem with this fucking business.of course, customers are the only problem and strippers are the salt of the earth. but hey, the more you tip the better it gets.

Jenny
01-23-2006, 12:50 AM
sigh..i hope this isn't going to turn out to be another one of your big ethics lectures. the last time you gave one. you seemed to have a bit of a problem spotting all the ethically challenged weasels.
Yes, I remember having a real problem seeing how a woman was ethically responsible for being touched when she didn't agree or invite someone to touch her. Seriously dude - I think you're the one with the problem.


why do you even care? hell, you might even get a new doggie coat out of it.
Well it depends on what you mean by care. I care enough (obviously) to post about it. But I'm not telling them to stop. As you say they pay my rent - but I can still think it is pathetic when someone defines it as a huge personal coup to have a stripper fuck them real, real cheap. Just my opinion - and as I said, the fucktards all already know who they are, and they probably don't even need me to tell them that it's pretty pathetic.


no, it isn't completely wrong. some men have an appetite for a variety of women and you're also going to have that group that likes to make goo-goo eyes.
Yeah. And some men will want me to paint myself purple, strap on a small tail and leap around the room shouting "Gnap!" But I think we could readily find a majority and a standard.


oh great, it is going to be a big ethics lecture.
Well, feel free to stop reading. Don't worry about my feelings or anything: I can't see you, so I won't even know that you're not paying attention.


of course, customers are the only problem and strippers are the salt of the earth. but hey, the more you tip the better it gets.
Technically, what I said was that customers were the problem with the business. And really, when you get customers repeatedly telling me that they don't have to be nice, they aren't paying to be nice, and that I'm excluded from normal courtesy by virtue of providing them with a service that they seem to want - yeah, I think that is perfectly reasonable and supportable premise on why this business is in a downward sprial. Because of the fucking clientele we are not just attracting, but trying to attract. Some days I can seriously hate myself for making any of y'all happy for even, like, one second.

Oh, and yes, we tolerate your condescension, idiocy and abuse for a tip. Maybe that does mean we deserve it.

contheboyalready
01-23-2006, 03:44 AM
Interesting, as member and poster on both SCJ and TER I'm curious. Am I a "fucktard" on both boards or only when I post on TER?:-\

There is obvious hostility in both of your posts ladies and I honestly don't understand why. You do what you do and escorts do what they do. I don't go to a strip club looking to get laid and I don't call an escort when I want to have a few laughs and buy a few dances from a pretty girl. I'm not quite clear on what makes paying for a sex act that both parties agree to any different than paying for a lapdance./:O
Lighten up. My hobby is collecting porn star action figures, which pretty much qualifies me as a total dork, too.

SportsWriter2
01-23-2006, 05:23 AM
What the fuck does that even mean? When did Sunday School become the exclusive arena of treating people with decency?
Yoda has been using "Nobody said it was Sunday school" for years on TUSCL and other forums. Personally, I don't read TER or use escorts, but I was surprised by how mean that world is. :O

One more reason for staying with fun friends. Life is good. :)

yoda57us
01-23-2006, 06:32 AM
Yoda has been using "Nobody said it was Sunday school" for years on TUSCL and other forums. Personally, I don't read TER or use escorts, but I was surprised by how mean that world is. :O


Sporty, actually the term I us is "This isn't bible school". I didn't use it here because it's an off-handed remark that would have insulted the intelligence of the other posters involved in this thread. I mostly use it when guys on TUSCL or SCJ bitch about spending all of their money in a strip club. I appreciate the fact that you've been paying attention all of these years but there is a time and a place for irreverence. Just stick to your own ass-kissing. I'll decide where to insert mine.



It's a mean old world Sporty, some days you're the windshield, some days you're the bug.