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mr_punk
08-31-2006, 08:29 PM
The only reason the work option exists for strippers is because men are the way men are, yet on the other hand, most strippers argue that men shouldn't be they way they are. Seemingly a case of wanting ones cake and wanting to eat it too.oink..oink..oink..uh..i mean, hear, hear.

Tell me I'm wrong if I'm wrong, but isn't there some appeal to a job where you get to be focus on sexuality, you have no demands to fill out paper work, no demands to solve tough problems that could cost a customer or your employeer a lot of money if you fuck up, flexible hours, lots of cash (flexible taxes?), etc.does an attention whore flash her boobs on spring break?

newbler
08-31-2006, 09:47 PM
Top 10 reasons to pay for sex:

10-Because you can.
9-Not getting it anywhere else.
8-Bottom line, any sex, payed for or not, is still sex.
7-It's easy to find.
6-Because you can.
5-S/O is not putting out, won't do things you want to do.
4-It's new and exciting.
3-No committment.
2-Because you can.

Drum roll please.

1-It's cheaper than "free" sex.

reason 1 !! maybe i just spoiled my last gf, i dunno, but not having a gf now, seeing an SP, i have more $ left at the end of the day, get laid more, and dont have to deal with any of her bs, who can complain? }:D

CaptainQuantum
09-03-2006, 06:01 PM
I apologized for saying stuff like this here at one time, but dammit this is how I feel right now, and I'm not gonna apologize for how I feel. I see a good looking woman and I care about ONE thing.....putting my hands on her. couldnt care less who she is, what her name is, where she's from, what she does for fun, what she does for a living......and thats too much effort to fake so I dont even try.

I have very low self-esteem and self-confidence also, so it would be very unpleasant to struggle through an awkward conversation with a woman, stammering, having nothing to say, etc. Say this, don't say that, say it like this, don't say it like that, pretend you're interesting, pretend you have something to offer a woman, don't call too soon or you'll look desperate, pretend like you have a life outside of her. Why NOT buy sex, when the alternative is going through all that trouble?? That's the better question, why NOT pay for sex??

Like I said in the other thread about social lives, I wouldn't mind a girlfriend but I want one on MY TERMS or not at all. So not being able to have a relationship on my terms has made me very bitter and frustrated, and I'm not going to apologize again for how I feel. Think whatever you want of me. This is me and I'm going to be this way until the day I die.

mr_punk
09-04-2006, 07:17 AM
I see a good looking woman and I care about ONE thing.....putting my hands on her. couldnt care less who she is, what her name is, where she's from, what she does for fun, what she does for a living......and thats too much effort to fake so I dont even try.uh...Capt'n. now, don't get angry and pull out your chainsaw, but did you ever consider the reason why you can't lock down on some tail is because you can't feign interest?

I have very low self-esteem and self-confidence also, so it would be very unpleasant to struggle through an awkward conversation with a woman, stammering, having nothing to say, etc. Say this, don't say that, say it like this, don't say it like that, pretend you're interesting, pretend you have something to offer a woman, don't call too soon or you'll look desperate, pretend like you have a life outside of her.sure. i suppose that's the great thing about keeping the severed head of a woman preserved in a jar. the conversations are a lot less confusing.

Like I said in the other thread about social lives, I wouldn't mind a girlfriend but I want one on MY TERMS or not at all. So not being able to have a relationship on my terms has made me very bitter and frustrated, and I'm not going to apologize again for how I feel. Think whatever you want of me. This is me and I'm going to be this way until the day I die.whoa, Capt'n! no need to apologize. hey, mr_punk understands completely. so, calm down and put down the meat cleaver.

jannisary
09-04-2006, 07:04 PM
I apologized for saying stuff like this here at one time, but dammit this is how I feel right now, and I'm not gonna apologize for how I feel. I see a good looking woman and I care about ONE thing.....putting my hands on her. couldnt care less who she is, what her name is, where she's from, what she does for fun, what she does for a living......and thats too much effort to fake so I dont even try.

Well, I can relate to a point in feeling that way sometimes in my life. I just want to find a woman and fuck. Probably a lot of guys feel the same way at certain times in their lives. Most guys realize though that a purely physical encounter, paid or otherwise, is not satisfying in the long term.


I have very low self-esteem and self-confidence also, so it would be very unpleasant to struggle through an awkward conversation with a woman, stammering, having nothing to say, etc. Say this, don't say that, say it like this, don't say it like that, pretend you're interesting, pretend you have something to offer a woman, don't call too soon or you'll look desperate, pretend like you have a life outside of her. Why NOT buy sex, when the alternative is going through all that trouble?? That's the better question, why NOT pay for sex??

So what do you do when you pay for sex? There has to be some interaction between you and the pro. I guess if shes an amp girl or some other non-english speaking pro then there isn't much talking but if your hiring escorts, doing otc with dancers, or even just picking up street walkers that requires a certain amount of social skills. If you really act like you post here, most of the pros I've met would run out on you. They would be thinking what some members here have alluded to.


Like I said in the other thread about social lives, I wouldn't mind a girlfriend but I want one on MY TERMS or not at all. So not being able to have a relationship on my terms has made me very bitter and frustrated, and I'm not going to apologize again for how I feel. Think whatever you want of me. This is me and I'm going to be this way until the day I die.

Unless you change that attitude you'll always be paying for sex.

ShadowKnyght
09-26-2006, 10:04 PM
I can understand it fully - having had a very active sex life my entire life since my first girlfriend onwards, to get engaged to a women whom you had sex with all the time who would orgasm 3 to 4 times to your one... then bam she halfs the frequency.... you get married, bam it virtually stops all together - some how you have a couple of kids... damn you both must be fertile cos you have barely had a chance to touch her...

She goes from wearing tiny nighties to wearing thick, neck to toe PJ's - 3 years on after her picking fights every time to avoid sex - you really start to feel ready for... well anything - to expensive to get divorced just because you get no affection or sex - so I must admit even though I have not ever paid for sex - I probably couldn't say no if a hot sex worker offered...

A man can not live on bread alone is the old saying.

I could get it else where but as has been mentioned that is not fair on the other women, as I could not offer any commitment just sex - so without getting divorced, strippers to tease me is all that is open... prostitution would be the next step but I am not sure I can afford it - no idea how much such encounters would cost...

Plus I am not forward enough to take that next step - my mate is the only reason why I even go to clubs...

miabella
09-26-2006, 11:21 PM
or you could talk to the wifey about why she doesn't feel a need to remain desirable for you. and for that matter, one could ask why you don't feel the need to remain desirable for her (usually guys making such complaints about neck-to-toe pjs are overweight and out of shape and prone to wearing mustard-stained, torn clothing at home themselves).

yoda57us
09-27-2006, 05:05 AM
....And sometimes men just get bored with the woman they married. It doesn't have to have anything to do with either side being a bad person or "out of shape". It just happens. Since married men comprise a huge demographic when it comes to guys who go to strip clubs and visit escorts I don't really understand why any woman in the sex industry would have a problem with it.

Jenny
09-27-2006, 05:35 AM
^^^
Thank you Yoda. The fact that a person cheats might not be his or her spouse's fault? I mean, boredom happens, on both sides. Although sometimes cheating (again on either side) does have something to do with a greater dissatisfaction, there is sometimes just normal excitement at something new. It may not be morally neutral, but talk about projecting.

xdamage
09-27-2006, 07:58 AM
^^^
Thank you Yoda. The fact that a person cheats might not be his or her spouse's fault? I mean, boredom happens, on both sides. Although sometimes cheating (again on either side) does have something to do with a greater dissatisfaction, there is sometimes just normal excitement at something new. It may not be morally neutral, but talk about projecting.

Wow, I actually agree with what Jenny wrote! Something is not right ;)

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Cheating, if caught, will probably leave the partner feeling hurt, and putting aside cultural feelings about cheating, doing so can cause real damage to a relationship and people's lives (e.g., unwanted pregnancy, bringing home and STD to your partner, or becoming involved with a psycho). To some degree birth-control has the made the risks less risky, but only up to a point (you can for example still bring home crabs or cold sores or other diseases).

But putting aside the pain and possible damage it can cause to a partner, I think a lot of men cheat because they are bored with the same woman and want the thrill of something new. If they do it, of course they assume they won't be caught, and hope that they will evade the risks.

As for blaiming it on the partner. I think people often do that because they have trouble facing some facts about themselves, namely that no matter who they are with, they would eventually grow bored and feel the urge to have sex with someone else. Blaiming the feelings on the partner is often lame, but people are sometimes lame. Mia is right that it's common to see both people in a relationship slack off on trying after a while. It's also common to see men and women create turmoil in their relationships, with a sub-conscious intent to drive their partner away, justifying their desire to cheat. But not everyone can accept that people are like this, that they can have multiple competing wants, and they deal with those competing wants in ways that are often irrational or projected on to others.



I don't really understand why any woman in the sex industry would have a problem with it.


It's a point of conflict. Sex workers like most of us often want a monogamous partner (or at least an honest one) for themselves, but also want money, much of which comes from men who have female partners that wouldn't approve of the men paying for it. A part of them may also believe that men who have to pay for it are loser, or morally corrupt, or flawed in some way, yet these are the people they make their living off of.

This is an example of having competing wants, as I said above, and while it's entirely normal, not all people can accept that their own brains work this way. That conflict of wants is normal. Many sex workers are also still very young. Their ability to cope with with this point of conflict varies. Some can, some others project negative emotions on to their male customers as a way of coping with their competing wants. Blaiming others for the choices we make is a fairly common way to cope, and avoid having to come to terms with the fact that we often want things that are in conflict.

But as I've said before, the irony in all of this is that if men really behaved as so many sex workers think they should behave, if the conflict of wants was resolved, the sex workers would be out of business.

miabella
09-27-2006, 12:14 PM
i personally would love to live in the world where marriages lasted for life and couples worked through their boredoms with each other without resort to concubines/mistresses/strippers/escorts-- i.e., the magical fairyland where sexwork doesn't exist because nobody has a need or desire for it.

but for a number of reasons, a lot of people want sexwork to exist and so it remains a necessary evil. i will grant that much of the problematic aspect of sexwork for the worker comes simply from working in a primarily cash industry. but there's of course negative aspects unique to that field that are glossed over a little too often.

however, having said all that, i am contemplating a working vacation in which i'd be selling and buying sex (albeit in the form of lapdances rather than actual sex). yay ambivalence, woo!

xdamage
09-27-2006, 01:07 PM
i personally would love to live in the world where marriages lasted for life and couples worked through their boredoms with each other without resort to concubines/mistresses/strippers/escorts-- i.e., the magical fairyland where sexwork doesn't exist because nobody has a need or desire for it.


Sure, though some people's idea of utopia has couples living in primary relationships, with secondary (agreed on) sex partners to alleviate "boredom", and of course some people do live in these kind of relationships and are happy (others not).



but there's of course negative aspects unique to that field that are glossed over a little too often.


True. Because it involves selling oneself vs some thing or product, there is a fundamental difference between sex work and other jobs.



however, having said all that, i am contemplating a working vacation in which i'd be selling and buying sex (albeit in the form of lapdances rather than actual sex). yay ambivalence, woo!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambivalence

It's impossible to avoid ambivalence in life without either being an extremist (e.g., religious extremists) or being very immature and living in a childlike fantasy world where you are unable to see your own ambivalence. And actually, even what I just wrote is redundant. Extremists tend to be immature and in many ways childlike in their views of themselves and others, wanting emotions and wants to be simple and single minded.

Casual Observer
09-27-2006, 01:52 PM
It doesn't have to have anything to do with either side being a bad person or "out of shape". It just happens. Since married men comprise a huge demographic when it comes to guys who go to strip clubs and visit escorts I don't really understand why any woman in the sex industry would have a problem with it.

That's really accurate. Just because a guy has sexual encounters with other women, that doesn't mean he wants to leave his wife and the mother of his children. So long as he's safe and discreet and presuming there's an understanding (thank God I have one of those...), I fail to see what the problem is with having some strange every now and again.

Vyanka
09-27-2006, 05:04 PM
Ugh, thank goodness i've decided never to get married.

ShadowKnyght
09-27-2006, 05:21 PM
or you could talk to the wifey about why she doesn't feel a need to remain desirable for you. and for that matter, one could ask why you don't feel the need to remain desirable for her (usually guys making such complaints about neck-to-toe pjs are overweight and out of shape and prone to wearing mustard-stained, torn clothing at home themselves).

I have spoken to her - she blames her hormones and the kids but it started after we got engaged - not after the kids so that does not fit.

She has also stated that she has had that phase of her life - been there done that... and now no longer feels the need to go there. Yeah thanks!

A bit of false advertising - she knew what she was buying into - I have not changed - she has, and expects me to just put up with it!!

As to myself - I keep in shape - I go to the gym 3 times a week, can bench ATM around 270+ pounds, play squash, and go for walks with the family all the time. I take care of my appearance, dress well and take my wife out to dinner often. I provide constant affection via cuddles, kisses, caresses and massages, but never seem to get much in return. Apart from being used as a pillow to fall asleep on when watching TV...

I have always also taken great pride in offering pleasure before allowing myself to partake... but she has got to the point now where I am not allowed to touch with hands, lips, tongue - anywhere that would potentially stir desire... so it kind of kills foreplay, which as a result kills any real decent sex. not that we really even have bad sex either, so I get none of the good to balance out the bad which is in most every relationship...

Love my kids... still think I like my wife.... off and on... but if this keeps up I am going to be forced to look at other options... I have needs to and don't appreciate them being dissmissed out of hand whilst I am paying for her existence... *sigh*

</rant!!> ::)

Hey I would quite happily get it at home if it was ever offered.

Jenny
09-27-2006, 06:23 PM
Well, people do change. And she is probably bored of you. As we said - it happens. Sex with the same person can get less exciting. Thus, in seeking a life partner, perhaps you want more than someone who will spread them whenever you beckon.

xdamage
09-27-2006, 06:41 PM
Well, people do change. And she is probably bored of you. As we said - it happens. Sex with the same person can get less exciting. Thus, in seeking a life partner, perhaps you want more than someone who will spread them whenever you beckon.

WTH? I agree with Jenny again? Something is so wrong today ;)

ShadowKnyght
09-27-2006, 06:41 PM
Of course - a relationship has to be about more than sex - but affection and intemacy are still important factors to a healthy relationship, and to starve either partner of these after making them commit to you is wrong.

Saying hey this is what you get (and it was good!) Then singing on the dotted line saying your all mine now, and can have nobody else... for the rest of your life... and oh by the way not even me unless for some odd reason I once in a while will lie there and not complain to much.... is wrong on so many levels...

People like that shouldn't get married - it is selfish to take somebody off of the market when you have no real inclination to remain intimate with them once you have snared them and been set up comfortably.

And hey ask any of my ex's - they never bored of me in that way - in fact a few keep emailing me over the years reminising about old times... - as I said I really get a kick out of giving pleasure - more so than getting it! ;)

ShadowKnyght
09-27-2006, 06:51 PM
It started after they got engaged, but got married anyway? I was silly - I thought it was just a phase... and we had been together for quite some time so I was happy to cut her some slack...

Thought it was just the stress and pressure of planning for the wedding etc... but I guess hindsight gives 20/20 vision I can clearly see the signs now that I should have taken much more notice of at the time

Jenny
09-27-2006, 07:34 PM
Okay. You're right. It's all her. In fact, she was probably planning it from the beginning. She probably NEVER enjoyed sex with you, and was just faking it all along in order to "take you off the market." It was probably vindictive. The bitch.

Jay - obviously I get that "once in a while" is still important. But c'mon - "my relationship/sex life is shot and it's all my wife's fault..." where HAVE I heard that before?

Vyanka
09-27-2006, 07:38 PM
hmm, they say a woman's libido gets stronger with age and with men it decreases.
is that it, she lost her libido?

ShadowKnyght
09-27-2006, 07:46 PM
hahaha - sorry just trying to illustrate why I can see some people would pay for sex - especially if sex is important to them which it is for most guys! ;)

I just used to take so much pride in getting my partners off that this really sucks to get to this level of nothing'ness...

Hey I may not be the perfect husband (I can be annoying, sometimes slack after a hard day at work etc - but I have always treated her with respect) but from a guys point of view it is hard to understand how some women can just turn off the need for sex. Even bad sex is better than no sex... well to a guy at least 8)

She has for some reason developed body image issues, a hatred for loosing control and any "noises" or bodily fluids - hers included just seem to gross her out now-a-days... and I have tried complimenting her, giving positive attention etc to try and get her through it but that seems to have had no effect.

I think to some extent it is a product of her upbringing - her perants are fairly stand-off ish and although she was never like that to start with it appears now she has fallen into a mirror image of what her mum and sister act like.

Jenny
09-27-2006, 07:54 PM
Hey I may not be the perfect husband (I can be annoying, sometimes slack after a hard day at work etc - but I have always treated her with respect) but from a guys point of view it is hard to understand how some women can just turn off the need for sex. Even bad sex is better than no sex... well to a guy at least 8)
Is it? Good. This is a continual area of stress and worry for me. Although, incidentally, guys do it too - get bored of their partners and lack interest in them. That is not just a girl thing.


She has for some reason developed body image issues, a hatred for loosing control and any "noises" or bodily fluids - hers included just seem to gross her out now-a-days... and I have tried complimenting her, giving positive attention etc to try and get her through it but that seems to have had no effect.
That's just sad. If she has suddenly developed a hatred for her body she could be experiencing issues much bigger than your terminal horniness. And not every psychological issue is fixed with positive male attention, alas. However I would keep the "well if you're not giving it up, I have to get it from somewhere" attitude away from her. That won't help.

mr_punk
09-27-2006, 08:06 PM
It started after they got engaged, but got married anyway?/:OLove - a dangerous disease instantly cured by marriage.

ShadowKnyght
09-27-2006, 08:17 PM
bigger than your terminal horniness hahaha! I will have to remember that one...

Yeah I have tried talking to her - but when we do make progress, and she starts feeling more comfortable with herself again - it only takes one good session on the phone with he mum or sister and she is right back into her shell again - and I am not just meaning sexually.

From a female perspective - and this is now getting way off topic - what would you suggest as a way to make her feel better about herself...?

I know that is a hard one to answer as every girl is different as are men - but what would generally work with you may work with her...?

I would rather fix things than destroy them personally - just saying I can understand the urges behind why people do end up giving up and paying for it as per the threads topic

Jenny
09-27-2006, 08:27 PM
^^
I'm sorry, is this your way of indirectly asking me what gets me hot? Because I'm totally not having any kind of cybersex with you in front of these people, no matter what your spousal situation is.
I kid. Try counselling. Sometimes meds can kick start you. Does she work? A job, or a new job. Give her my email and we can talk about movies. I'm very uninhibited about some things.

Katrine
09-27-2006, 09:40 PM
but she has got to the point now where I am not allowed to touch with hands, lips, tongue - anywhere that would potentially stir desire...

Smack her with your cock then man!}:D

yoda57us
09-27-2006, 11:06 PM
OK, Sometimes people just get bored with each other and sometimes there are deeper issues that need to be addressed-assuming both parties are interested saving the relationship. If you are really interested in trying to fix things this board really isn't the place to do it. Quite honestly, if you haven't done anything about this already-by seeking professional help-it leads me to believe that you don't care to. As previously mentioned, we are getting a very one sided version of what is wrong with your marriage. IMHO, even the one-sided view is TMI...

Much as I like Kat's suggestion I actually prefer saving that one for the women I pay for sex...}:D

xdamage
09-28-2006, 07:15 AM
Yeah I have tried talking to her - but when we do make progress, and she starts feeling more comfortable with herself again - it only takes one good session on the phone with he mum or sister and she is right back into her shell again - and I am not just meaning sexually.

I know that is a hard one to answer as every girl is different as are men - but what would generally work with you may work with her...?

I would rather fix things than destroy them personally

I'd say your first problem is that you are trying to "fix things" or more specifically, fix her. Looking for tricks or things to say that might make it better, or convince her to change.

Personally I'm a lot happier when I leave it to other adults to make their own decisions in life. This is harder to do when it's the mother of your kids, but how she feels and thinks is ultimately out of your control.

IMHO, it's fairly common that couples have great sex at first when it's just the two of them, and the relationship is new. Then they have babies, and the woman shifts into a mindset (her maternal instinct) that is more parent oriented and less oriented on sex with her partner. If you wait long enough, as the kids grown up and become more independent, you'll probably find that her old sex drive will rev up again, often stronger then even.

Of course I'm making a generalization above, what is common. But when this change happens some men do pay for sex, or stray at that point in their lives. The newness and freshness of the sex is gone for them, and add in that their woman is focused more on their kids and less on sex, and guys are often left feeling like the best part of the relationship is gone. The woman on the other hand may be thinking the relationship is great, stable, they have kids, they have a bright future together, there is more between then then just sex, etc.

There are exceptions of course. One of my better married, female friends is a sex maniac, with her hubby, even though they have kids. She talks about sex constantly, more so then most guys I know ;)

But it's not normal for the sexual interests to stop entirely, and like I said, if you wait until the kids grow up a bit you'll likely find that her sex interests increase again. Assuming the one sided story is correct, yea something is wrong if there is no sex at all. But it's not completely abnormal for a woman to become less interested in sex for a few yeras while raising her young children. You can look at this as a negative (your sex life has declined) or a postive (she is taking good care of your children).

kittygirl
10-28-2006, 09:39 AM
Reading with interest -

How'e this, men who pay just don't seem to have any balls to
1) talk to a girl and maybe get rejected (like we do all the time)
2) to leave pathetic marriages (are they afraid to be alone or what - don't give me kids crap unless you think cheating with hookers on their mom is good lesson for girls and boys)
3) learn about women - that's how you get a woman, duh
4) treat people with dignity - tons of girls go home without getting laid all the fucking time - not it's not true we can just get laid, unless y'all think you should be content with fat, ugly women with no teeth and facial hair, that's everybody' guaranteed lay

Paying someone to use their hole is the lair of the loser. Don't care if thy're married I think they're still losers, losers don't get what they want out of marriages if they are weak and stick with a dud.

You think it's genetic chromosome boy? I want dick all the time, however I would never pay a guy
1) technical reason, most are gay hookers, too risky
2) i never want to lower a man to servicing me, paying him to get it up and let me use his wang degrades his equality with me - I am not attracted or sexually into someone who is "letting me" do anything to them - it seems sad, pathetic, and weak - but I know a lot of tricks must like that feeling, just like meatholes

Oldest profession in the world - which world, oh yeah that's right, the one men decided they would run and control most of the money in, oh OK

Because men control the vast amount of resources all over the world and even women need food and shelter - women put out for money. Resource reallocation. If women had equal resources you'd all being sucking your own dicks. Not to mention that women tend to take most financial resposibility for kids - and women have fewer of the worlds resources? strange

add to this Americans have more resources and after colonizing a shit load of the world, yes we made them poor, stole resources, land, fucked that shit up good so horny rich guys could get even more variety

sense of entitlement? hell yeah they do. just like they believe they desesrve to be president, they deserve to make more money cause they need to impress chics and resent it, they deserve to get variety - don't you think wifey wants it too - take her home a cute young boy toy will ya, may be the best sex you ever get from her

Finally, for the wives who don't put out. It might be that great male invention called the birth conntrol pill. No kids for you to take care of, bang away, too bad shes a chemical dead fish

yoda57us
10-28-2006, 11:03 AM
Reading with interest -

How'e this, men who pay just don't seem to have any balls to
1) talk to a girl and maybe get rejected (like we do all the time)
2) to leave pathetic marriages (are they afraid to be alone or what - don't give me kids crap unless you think cheating with hookers on their mom is good lesson for girls and boys)
3) learn about women - that's how you get a woman, duh
4) treat people with dignity - tons of girls go home without getting laid all the fucking time - not it's not true we can just get laid, unless y'all think you should be content with fat, ugly women with no teeth and facial hair, that's everybody' guaranteed lay

Paying someone to use their hole is the lair of the loser. Don't care if thy're married I think they're still losers, losers don't get what they want out of marriages if they are weak and stick with a dud.

You think it's genetic chromosome boy? I want dick all the time, however I would never pay a guy
1) technical reason, most are gay hookers, too risky
2) i never want to lower a man to servicing me, paying him to get it up and let me use his wang degrades his equality with me - I am not attracted or sexually into someone who is "letting me" do anything to them - it seems sad, pathetic, and weak - but I know a lot of tricks must like that feeling, just like meatholes

Oldest profession in the world - which world, oh yeah that's right, the one men decided they would run and control most of the money in, oh OK

Because men control the vast amount of resources all over the world and even women need food and shelter - women put out for money. Resource reallocation. If women had equal resources you'd all being sucking your own dicks. Not to mention that women tend to take most financial resposibility for kids - and women have fewer of the worlds resources? strange

add to this Americans have more resources and after colonizing a shit load of the world, yes we made them poor, stole resources, land, fucked that shit up good so horny rich guys could get even more variety

sense of entitlement? hell yeah they do. just like they believe they desesrve to be president, they deserve to make more money cause they need to impress chics and resent it, they deserve to get variety - don't you think wifey wants it too - take her home a cute young boy toy will ya, may be the best sex you ever get from her

Finally, for the wives who don't put out. It might be that great male invention called the birth conntrol pill. No kids for you to take care of, bang away, too bad shes a chemical dead fish

Bitter Much?

xdamage
10-28-2006, 12:33 PM
Because men control the vast amount of resources all over the world and even women need food and shelter - women put out for money. Resource reallocation. If women had equal resources you'd all being sucking your own dicks.

LMAO.

Yet more evidence that the modern day youthful screaching feminist doesn't have a clue why the world has turned out as it has, doesn't have a clue that men and women really are different (yes genetically), and whose bottom line concern comes down to "GIVE ME MORE".

p.s. actually men don't just think about their dicks. It's one of the reasons they do actually control so much of the worlds resources and have through out history. Occassionally they actually get up and design, build, dream, push hard which is what separates us from the rest of the animals on the world. We just think about our dicks in between the rest of that stuff :P

p.s.s Women have been half of the human population all along. If you don't like how history has turned out, maybe you should ask yourself where the women have been all along. What were you all doing? Vacationing? Maybe you're not as equal as you'd like to think. Or maybe women have even contributed to the shaping of society, but you just don't have a clue because you live a culture of modern conviencences and you don't have a clue what it means to live and die in the more primitive world that men and women's genes were shaped in.

p.s.s.s. Your whining additionally makes me laugh because you're a stripper who chooses to make her living selling sex. Oldest profession in the world? Yes, because even in a world that offers women more choices then ever before, guess what you choose to do for a living... sell sex. Phttt. This is just more men suck, women are good whining. If you believed even a fraction of what you said you'd get off your butt, stop selling sex, and start contributing to society in some other way (i.e., dream, design, build, something, anything that contributes to the future or society - instead you choose to sell sex, just like the other women who chose the oldest profession in history).

The men suck, women are good propoganda belongs on the pink site.

Someone on this board asked my why I wouldn't want my daughter to be a dancer... this is exactly why. The last thing I want her to be is another clueless screaching feminist who has no real convinctions, just wants to blaim everything on males while she sits on the sidelines and sells sex. No, I'm much happier that my daughter is competing in the "male" job marketing, working in a job that is traditionally held by men, and she is damn good at it. You know maybe actually DO IT instead of whining about it. What an idea.

Oh, and if American's suck so bad, well then GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR COUNTRY! Otherwise I think your just a multiple hypocrite who wants to complain about men while you sell sex, live in our country, and from what I can tell, you want an equal share, not because you earned, but just because. Lame, really really lame.

kittygirl
10-28-2006, 02:41 PM
PS. CHROMOSOME BOY (aka x damage)

I'm not dancer, but I would do it - you can piss and moan all you want about that.

Sociobiology is just a theory. Or didn't you learn that part.

Now if you want to talk theory. Women get pregnant. Wouldn't it make sense that thay have a higher sex drive than men so they would reproduce as much as possible. It's true, so why does your sociobiology claim that men have a higher indisciminate sex drive while women wait for the good genes. Are you also thinking about genetics while you're fucking, yeah right.

Get this, if you believe in evolution you will know this - that genes adapt for success within and based on environmental factors.

So, the only successful strategy for survival is a great variety of genes. So. yes even ugly people get laid and reproduce, notice, I'm sure you have.

I know women are smart, but we can't predict changes in the environment all like that.

So, picking the right genes in a man is a moot point. If the environment changes, only variety of genes will ensure the survival of at least some of the population, so it can continue to reproduce.

Just something to chew on. Sociobiology is not based on science, it's just men trying to convince people things should stay as they are, or were, "because it's natural".

Personnally, I think women don't control the world because they have such a high sex drive. We paid you with everything you wanted in the world just for some consistent pieces of ass. Maybe we just think with our pussies too much, oh well.

I'm sorry that successful women have sexist dads who think they're inherently inferior. Hope she recovers and has a decent relationship.

That said. It's more than obvious why some guys pay for sex...

Girls don't like sexists, like sexists don't like feminists. Sexists never get good lays, too afraid of the pussy.

xdamage
10-28-2006, 03:34 PM
Sociobiology is just a theory. Or didn't you learn that part.


LOL, a clueless point.



Now if you want to talk theory. Women get pregnant. Wouldn't it make sense that thay have a higher sex drive than men so they would reproduce as much as possible. It's true, so why does your sociobiology claim that



LMAO, that doesn't make any sense. I suggest you read a book called the Extended Phenotype by Richard Dawkins. The notion that species reproduce as much as possible is clearly not so. In fact every bit of evidence shows quite the opposite. What's best for every species is controlled breeding. Evolution is not just about what is good for the individual but works for the group as well.



men have a higher indisciminate sex drive while women wait for the good genes. Are you also thinking about genetics while you're fucking, yeah right.


Again, clueless. Women would be every bit the same risk takers if they had equal risk.

There is a big difference between men, and women. Women are the child bearing half of the species. And if you don't understand why that has made such a a big difference, it's because like most females in America today, you've never lived in a society that doesn't have birth control, morning after options, no dna tests, etc.

But with the exception of the extreme, most people, particularly women, do at least sub-conciously think about the costs assoicated with raising children, especially after she has one or two. If you haven't yet, then you really don't yet have a clue and this is a waste of my time.



Get this, if you believe in evolution you will know this - that genes adapt for success within and based on environmental factors.


Now you're really being extremely clueless. You need to study some history. First I could suggest a book by Richard Dawkkin's called the Ancestor's Tale, just so you can get some sense of how long it takes for a gene adaptation to take place. Then I suggest you brush up using any modern history that you like. Putting A and B together, you may get that modern history, and in particular our society is just a tiny blip as compared with time it has taken for human's to evolve.



So, the only successful strategy for survival is a great variety of genes. So. yes even ugly people get laid and reproduce, notice, I'm sure you have.


Yes, and even clueless people like to think they are entitled to an equal share of the resources. :O



I know women are smart, but we can't predict changes in the environment all like that. So, picking the right genes in a man is a moot point. If the environment changes, only variety of genes will ensure the survival of at least some of the population, so it can continue to reproduce.


Again, you don't seem to have any grasp of how long it takes for genes to adapt or how new on the historical scene our modern conviences are. In fact much of the world still doesn't. It was only the early 1900s when snake oil medicine, mostly based on opiates, existed in this country.





Just something to chew on. Sociobiology is not based on science, it's just men trying to convince people things should stay as they are, or were, "because it's natural".


LMAO, now I know that you are completely and utterly clueless. Not based on science - haha. But yes, do doubt you like you're conspiracy theory better. That verifies for me, you're just another dim witted female - the kind who is to blaim for women not having been more successful in getting a fair share of the social product. We can only hope some smarter women, those who actually contribute to science, versus stand on the side lines and spew male hatred, will make a positive difference.




Personnally, I think women don't control the world because they have such a high sex drive. We paid you with everything you wanted in the world just for some consistent pieces of ass. Maybe we just think with our pussies too much, oh well.


Nope. That is not why. Again, you have never lived in a world without dna testing, birth control, morning after choices, roads, convience stores, etc. If you had, you'd have a much different view of the consequences of sex, aka kids, and the risks associated with casual sex.



I'm sorry that successful women have sexist dads who think they're inherently inferior. Hope she recovers and has a decent relationship.


LMAO, your post reaked of female sexism, and you're so intent on hearing what you want to hear (e.g., "inherently inferior") that you're not able to conceive of any alternatives (e.g., men and women are equal, but due to biological differences have contributed to social development in different, still equal, but different, ways).

And frankly I read nothing that indicated you were any way superior to the males. All you did was whine about men have more then you, and you should have more. Same greed as far as I could see.

The difference is I think women are equal, but I think female sexists like racists and religous finatics are inferior (aka, seriously misguided, and dangerous).





That said. It's more than obvious why some guys pay for sex...


I didn't know God you chose you to judge men and male behavior.



Girls don't like sexists, like sexists don't like feminists. Sexists never get good lays, too afraid of the pussy.

Yes, like guys don't like sexist females.

I find it reall funny though that when it comes down to the end, the best you can do is wave the 'fear of pussy' flag as your best offensive move. Seriously, we guys at least fight our fights eye to eye, man to man, brain to brain. We don't have to wave the 'your just so afraid of my dick, your gonna be a bad lay' flag around. Maybe you need to learn that one reason men have been successful is that we aren't the slave to women's pussies that you seem to want us to be. Possibly you are also young and good looking, and plain out clueless what it means to be someone less fortunate. Don't know, don't care. I can only tell you, the world has managed to exist and thrive despite what Kittie thinks, and for all your whining, you're living a pretty decent life as compared with your ancestors because of a lot of hard working men and women.


Seriously, if you really had even the slightest convinction about any of this crap your spewing, pack your bags, and go live in a less developed culture. You'll at least get a better sense of the environment that most people's genes were shaped in, and how men and women think in such cultures. Until then, whining that the world doesn't want to give you a greater share of it's resources because you are a woman is laughable. Go EARN it or nobody is going to take you seriously.

p.s. If you are not a dancer, and you are not a customer, what are you doing on this forum? This is not the "Work Out My Anti-Male Sentiment's" forum. And if you are a customer, then you are still a hypocrit. So you don't pay to them fuck them, but you still pay for sexual stimulation.

FBR
10-28-2006, 05:22 PM
OK, feeling generous, we're ready for a non-personal jury summation from each party if you want. And then thats it.

FBR

xdamage
10-28-2006, 05:35 PM
OK, feeling generous, we're ready for a non-personal jury summation from each party if you want. And then thats it.

FBR

Okay, how about we face facts that paid for sex happens, and leave it to God to judge the rightness/wrongness of how history has turned out... in the mean time, please take the men-suck arguments to the pink side please!!!

Katrine
10-28-2006, 06:53 PM
Honey, your opinion will change when you get out of your Sociology of Women's Studies class at your local liberal arts junior college and start hitting the pole in your heels. I was also a sociology student once before. Your words really have no meaning. Its not a personal attack against you, but take a few steps down from the ivory tower and smell the stink of reality. ;)

Jenny
10-28-2006, 07:19 PM
Honey, your opinion will change when you get out of your Sociology of Women's Studies class at your local liberal arts junior college and start hitting the pole in your heels. I was also a sociology student once before. Your words really have no meaning. Its not a personal attack against you, but take a few steps down from the ivory tower and smell the stink of reality. ;)
Hmm. I don't know that that is true. I find that a lot of the action around the pole while wearing my heels certainly complicates my opinions from various "women's studies classes", but I don't know that it renders them meaningless; and it has certainly anecdotally illustrated some of them for me. In this context, what does reality smell like?

mr_punk
10-29-2006, 05:13 AM
Paying someone to use their hole is the lair of the loser. Don't care if thy're married I think they're still losers, losers don't get what they want out of marriages if they are weak and stick with a dud.<double-take>a dud? like a ranting, castrating biatch?

Bitter Much?LOL..well, it must be something. otherwise, why else would a sex worker be so concerned about a customer's sex life? ok, so some stripper caught her unemployed BF schtupping her best friend. still, i wasn't involved in the schtupping. so, i don't get why they need to shave off another inch from me. i'm just a customer.

I'm not dancer, but I would do itwell, you are certainly qualified to be a stripper. you're willing to sell sex to married customers and you display a healthy loathing for your yet-to-be customers....and people say strippers don't objectify themselves.

sander8son
10-29-2006, 08:55 AM
I would rather fix things than destroy them personally - just saying I can understand the urges behind why people do end up giving up and paying for it as per the threads topic

I'm in no way qualified to give relationship advice, let alone maraige advice, but that's not going to stop me!

In previous posts you mentioned how you basically have been nurturing her emotional side all along; cuddling, hugging, kissing, etc. Where she gives nothing in return. Have you considered cutting off all support of her except for financial(so she and the kids can eat)? Basically ignore her existence like she's ignored yours. You've kept yourself attractive, you've tried romance, you give her financial support and intimacy. It's all give on your part, all take on her part. Shut it down. If after a month of sleeping in another room barely acknowledging that she's still alive, she's yet to ask you to come to bed to give you what you deserve then i think you need to continue doing that but also start looking for it outside the house. you will have every right.

I'm sorry that you got suckered into marraige. Women think they have the right to control sex in marraige, they dont. Neither partner does. So she's effectively broke the marraige contract. However, no court will enforce that breach of contract and you can't use that one paticular aspect as a reason to seek what is rightfully yours outside of marraige in a court of law. Even though you should have every right to. So keep your affairs private. Don't even post about them here. Give her one month of no fulfillment to shape up. If she doesn't figure it out by then, she never will and your life will never change.

Goodluck.

FBR
10-30-2006, 06:22 PM
Based on a few recent comments, Miss D is jonesin for mulitple orgasms since its been a few weeks. But she still wont do it for free LOL And Im too weak to force the issue :P

FBR

Casual Observer
10-30-2006, 08:18 PM
Paying someone to use their hole is the lair of the loser. Don't care if thy're married I think they're still losers, losers don't get what they want out of marriages if they are weak and stick with a dud.

Yawn. Rinse, lather, repeat and repost on Pink and the Oprah forums.


you're willing to sell sex to married customers and you display a healthy loathing for your yet-to-be customers....and people say strippers don't objectify themselves.

She must have received an A on her Misandry Stud, err, Womens' Studies coursework.

But, wait...that's right. We're the assholes.

xdamage
10-30-2006, 09:18 PM
She must have received an A on her Misandry Stud, err, Womens' Studies coursework.

But, wait...that's right. We're the assholes.

just step up the plate..., simple as that, do it... enough talk, and do it. never have women had as many opportunities as they have now to compete for jobs that can shape the course of the future. frankly i just can't grasp how a woman can spend so much time and energy arguing feminism can end up making her ultimate job goal in life to shake her ass for $20, and not get why nobody takes her seriously. Yes, we're the assholes - aha.

Jenny
10-30-2006, 10:00 PM
just step up the plate..., simple as that, do it... enough talk, and do it. never have women had as many opportunities as they have now to compete for jobs that can shape the course of the future. frankly i just can't grasp how a woman can spend so much time and energy arguing feminism can end up making her ultimate job goal in life to shake her ass for $20, and not get why nobody takes her seriously. Yes, we're the assholes - aha.
^^^
now, you see, THAT right there is why you're the assholes. You're on a website entitled "Stripclub junkie" despising a woman because she's a dancer. I'd say "typical" but it seems redundant.

xdamage
10-30-2006, 10:04 PM
^^^
now, you see, THAT right there is why you're the assholes. You're on a website entitled "Stripclub junkie" despising a woman because she's a dancer. I'd say "typical" but it seems redundant.

LOL no, we like dancers. Be whatever you want to be, and enjoy it. That's cool. What's not cool is to bite the hand that feeds you. If you want to be a dancer, be a dancer, enjoy it, revel in it even. But when you turn on the very men who make your choice possible and profitable and then blaim them for the woes of the world, of course you're going to get some backlash for being a hypocrite.

I'm not posting over on the pink side or slinging rocks at dancers. I stick to the blue side. I don't really care if a woman wants to make her money by focusing on her sexuality. But OTOH, if she is posting over here on the blue site how much men suck while she dreams of making money off them by shaking her ass for a living - who is the asshole?

Of course if you choose to make your living shaking your ass for $20, you also don't get to complain that people who pursue science, politics, teaching, etc., are the people who are shaping history, or taking a big share of the social resource pie. Even dancers have to take responsibility for their choices.

Jenny
10-30-2006, 10:17 PM
LOL no, we like dancers. Be whatever you want to be, and enjoy it. That's cool. What's not cool is to bite the hand that feeds you. If you want to be a dancer, be a dancer, enjoy it, revel in it even. But when you turn on the very men who make your choice possible and profitable and then blaim them for the woes of the world, of course you're going to get some backlash for being a hypocrite.
Yes, because we have to be blind to history in order to be dancers. We have to be unthinking, grinding automatons who should sublimate every thought and opinion to a customer base instead of simply providing the service they pay for and keeping our intellect for ourselves.


I'm not posting over on the pink side or slinging rocks at dancers. I stick to the blue side. I don't really care if a woman wants to make her money by focusing on her sexuality.
Um, excuse me. If I may quote: frankly i just can't grasp how a woman can spend so much time and energy arguing feminism can end up making her ultimate job goal in life to shake her ass for $20, and not get why nobody takes her seriously.
So would you like some fries with that hypocrisy? Well; you can't have any. Go to a website for McDonald's and tell them to love the corporate structure that pays them and that to do otherwise is hypocritical and ask THEM for fries.


But OTOH, if she is posting over here on the blue site how much men suck while she dreams of making money off them by shaking her ass for a living - who is the asshole?
Honestly, I think I've been clear on that point. There seem to be limited ways of constructing comments like the one above WHILE posting on the blue site.


Of course if you choose to make your living shaking your ass for $20, you also don't get to complain that people who pursue science, politics, teaching, etc., are the people who are shaping history, or taking a big share of the social resource pie. Even dancers have to take responsibility for their choices. I'm not? Dancers have forfeited their right to have thoughts and opinions? Maybe we shouldn't be allowed to vote either.

xdamage
10-30-2006, 10:31 PM
I don't want to do this again Jenny.

If you're happy with your choices enjoy them. As I've said, you're a very intelligent, but I think you have a blind spot. I don't have any desire to fight with you. I really don't even care if I win. And it doesn't even thrill me to be right. But I also am not good at lying. And the truth is I find it hard to agree with where you're going here.

FWIW, if you'd take that very powerful intellect of your's and put it to use I'd bet you'd do very very well in a variety of (non-ass-shaking) lines of work. And as much as I love dancers, I'd think you were even cooler for having pushed yourself further and used that brilliant intellect you have for a greater purpose.

But I digress... peace.

Katrine
10-30-2006, 11:05 PM
And as much as I love dancers, I'd think you were even cooler for having pushed yourself further and used that brilliant intellect you have for a greater purpose.

But I digress... peace.

But what greater purpose is there for a woman than to serve you men?!? Oh wait, I think that was the wrong answer. /:O Don't ask me, I don't believe in feminism or gender equality. I believe that women are clearly superior, but we must never let the enemy really know that. :P

xdamage
10-30-2006, 11:26 PM
But what greater purpose is there for a woman than to serve you men?!?


Well things like the following come to mind:

o Contributing to science.
o Helping the less fortunate.
o Politics
o Teaching
o Creating music, art, literature.
o Improving our understanding of history

and several other possibilities come to mind but....



Oh wait, I think that was the wrong answer. /:O Don't ask me, I don't believe in feminism or gender equality. I believe that women are clearly superior, but we must never let the enemy really know that. :P

It's very obvious that a lot of dancers think they are superior because of their sex. /yawn. Just like a lot of people are running around thinking they are superior because of their race, or religious notions, yet, they contribute no more to the future of society then a popcorn salesman at a movie theater.

I.E. The enemy already knows.

But I find both men and women that feel like they are superior because of their sex dubiously boring. It's so easy to think this way, and so expected that it makes me want to yawn. It's kind of like hey, you really didn't get a choice about which set of chromosomes you are going to be born with, but if you feel a need to be superior because the dice rolled one way or the other, enjoy it. Fortunately it's easy to find plenty of others who will agree with you (no matter if the random dice came up Y or X) if this is how you need to think to get by from day to day.

yoda57us
10-31-2006, 07:47 AM
Don't ask me, I don't believe in feminism or gender equality. I believe that women are clearly superior, but we must never let the enemy really know that. :P

Kat, I knew there was something I liked about you (OK, this is just one of them). If more women understood this I'd probably still be buying dances from American girls...;)