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LauraLove
05-27-2004, 08:48 PM
I just saw the PrimeTime special on porn and I am wondering why violent porn is the biggest seller in that industry. I read through the porn thread below here in sex talk but I didn't really see the answer as to why it's so popular to watch women being hurt in sexual scenerio's ???


Can you guys explain to me what is sexy or a turn on about watching women get smacked and choked ?

I read the rubber necking theory and the giving up control theory but that doesn't explain why it turns you guys on. That's not a normal reaction. Studies have shown the people usualy have a gut reaction to brutality- literly a gut reaction like nausua for example. Why is it differnt when it comes to sexual violence toward women?

What is hot about watching women in pain and suffering?

Richard_Head
05-27-2004, 09:34 PM
I can't explain it, it does nothing for me.

lestat1
05-27-2004, 10:51 PM
I've got a couple ideas for an explanation (but not an excuse).

It's the "revenge" of the reject, to conquer that which he despises and desires at the same time. Violent sex is "conquering her" in getting the sex he wants coupled with the violent revenge for being rejected or unwanted. Kind of like on the soap opera's where the dumped person kills the ex with the "If I can't have you, no one will" line.

Or it's just an S&M thing. Sheesh...if you can think it up, there's some guy(s) out there that think it's hot. (although this wouldn't explain the widespread popularity that you found, Laura). It could be just a question of degrees...I couldn't count how many laps I've experienced where the dancer slaps her ass. Now technically ass-slapping and hair-pulling are violence yet both have appeared on the forums as turn-ons on both sides. It's just a lesser form.

Hmmm...guess I'm not sure. ???
-lestat1

doc-catfish
05-28-2004, 09:47 AM
I just saw the PrimeTime special on porn and I am wondering why violent porn is the biggest seller in that industry.

Who specifically said it was the biggest seller? I am curious. The networks for some reason love to have feminists and religous zealots feed them bullshit and they disseminate it at face value without checking the facts first. The truth might tend to hurt their ratings.

Here were three stories from their website. Sounds like typical sweeps month agenda journalism to me.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/Primetime/Entertainment/porn_hiv_040527-1.html
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/Primetime/Entertainment/porn_business_040527-1.html
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/Primetime/Entertainment/porn_love_040527-1.html

The third link about porn actress Belladonna might be what Laura is talking about here. I had no idea that she was a mormon. :


I read through the porn thread below here in sex talk but I didn't really see the answer as to why it's so popular to watch women being hurt in sexual scenerio's ???



Can you guys explain to me what is sexy or a turn on about watching women get smacked and choked ?

No, I personally find that sort of thing sickening.


I read the rubber necking theory and the giving up control theory but that doesn't explain why it turns you guys on. That's not a normal reaction.

I agree.


Studies have shown the people usualy have a gut reaction to brutality- literly a gut reaction like nausua for example. Why is it differnt when it comes to sexual violence toward women?

I couldn't watch the Nick Berg video. The still frames were bad enough. Hell, I had trouble watching the rape scenes from "The Accused", "Showgirls" and "Thelma & Louise" and those were just movies. Violence is violence is violence as far as I'm concerned.


What is hot about watching women in pain and suffering?

I have no idea. That sort of thing just doesn't interest me.

One thing I should point out here is that we may not exactly have the same connotation of what is "violent". There is a lot of S&M material that appears that way, but that material is meant within the context of fantasy (mind you that in such porn the tables can be turned where the women act just as brutally towards the men). Either way, its not my style.

Gentleman
05-28-2004, 11:32 AM
I saw the show as well last night. I have always known that these types of films were out there, but never understood the attraction. The only conclusion that I have ever been able to come to is that these films cater to the viewer that, sadly enough, fantasizes about rape. I agree with D.C. the mutual abuse that goes on between men and women in S&M films(while not my cup of tea either) cater towards a fantasy. I cringe at the thought of what the next big craze will be in the porn industry.

LauraLove
05-28-2004, 11:55 AM
Dr. C- I am fairly sure during the show it was said that those were the biggest sellers. I suppose it could be exagerated but it certianly has become more popular. I didn't want to watch the complete Nick Berg video either. The short version that appeared on my local news was enough or even too much- I paced my livingroom floor for several minutes in shock and horror.

I am glad to see that several of you guys feel similarly about this stuff- it restores a bit of my faith in men.

Darren
05-28-2004, 01:21 PM
Can you guys explain to me what is sexy or a turn on about watching women get smacked and choked ?




There is absolutely nothing about that is a turn on. Infact I once saw a porn at a bachelor party that had a rape scene. I left the room as it disturbed me so much, and didn't watch another porn for almost 5 years afterwards. As it is I think most of porn is a turn off because the sex is too impersonal for me (or is downright silly, like watching a gymnastic event), but when it turns violent towards women it makes me feel sick.

I do think that giving up control is the ultimate in sexy, but only when the woman willingly does so. Trying to force it makes no sense ... what makes it hot is that someone has willingly given you their complete trust. Taking it (through violence) is the exact opposite.

lestat1
05-28-2004, 03:36 PM
Oh as far as that statistic on the show, Adult DVD Empire (http://www.adultdvdempire.com/) sells a ton of porn (VHS too) of all kinds, including S&M stuff. They have a current bestseller list. I did a quick glance and didn't see any violent or out of the ordinary stuff on the list...just lots of the typical categories and Jenna Jameson vids.

Katrine
05-29-2004, 03:31 PM
I like it, but then I am a freak-a-liek

LOL

Its a fantasy........

Jenna Jameson is boring. Really Hot, but boring.....

Darren
05-29-2004, 05:23 PM
I like it, but then I am a freak-a-liek

LOL

Its a fantasy........



I assumed LauraLove was talking about porn that shows violence against a woman (e.g., forcing or hurting women against their wills)... which is not a turn on at all.

If its something you like, nobody really gets hurt, and it is mutually enjoyed/agreed-on then (in my mind) it is not violence, its just hot and nasty sex play (and I'm all for more of that :))

polecat
05-30-2004, 12:28 AM
I didn't see the TV special, but I have seen a pretty healthy sample of fairly violent-ish porn as of late.

In general, I don't care much for porn.. I've never found it the slightest bit arousing to see some half-mast beefcakes gym boy lick like he's painting a fence for 20 seconds, then hop and do a jackhammer impersonation... finally leading to some sort of "field goal kick" ritual from the 10 yard line finish. *yawn*

As far as the violence level- in these parts, it's the women that seem to like the more violent porn than the men. Just as romance is dramatized and overly portrayed in Hollywood, rough sex is equally dramatized and overly portrayed in porn. It's just an overzealous embellishment of the rougher/alpha male sex that older peeps start getting accustomed to and crave.

And nah, I don't believe for a moment it's some sort of "repressed" rejection psychosis or revenge.. people can enjoy rough, alpha, masculine sex and not have even the slightest discord with the opposite gender. There are plenty of women that absolutely thrive and crave being tied up, hair pulled, "taken" in a variety of ways and generally manhandled. Porn, like Hollywood, has a tendency to take this craving and amplify it 10x in order to sell.. and as long as nobody is hurt during the filming, it's all good.

Then again, my perpective could be a little regionally skewed. This is a place where a few blocks from the fancy restaurant are public dungeons (BYOF- Bring your own flogger) and some clubs have a "leave the nipple clamps at the door" policy...

MrAliasx
06-27-2004, 06:53 PM
I don't understand it. It makes me sick to think someone gets turned on by physically abusing someone.

Doesn't make sense.

kitana
07-06-2004, 03:10 AM
Ok guys, the thing that turns some people on is watching something that they can't do. Most of them know they will never get a girl to lay down and be tied up. Unless you guys are talking about snuff films which I never have wsztched but I would once just to see what the underground hoopla is all about.

But having a guy pull my hair, or spank me, or tie me up, or well damn I'm getting all turned on now......

All of that stuff is fine. As for the choking thing is commonly called asphyxiation, and from what I have heard you can get a really "killer" orgasm from it. LOL pun intended.

Kitana

big_daddy
07-06-2004, 03:50 PM
I have to agree with Katina on this one. As long as you KNOW the move is not an actual rape and its just all fantasy it's no different than going to a strip club. Spanking, choking, pulling hair sticking your fingers in their mouth etc as long as you know it is just for sex and not to hurt the person it's fine with me. I like it and I am a freak also! If it's an actual rape or a movie just hurting a woman it's wrong. There is a difference.

Katina love the larry quote! Larry rocks!

cc1111
12-13-2004, 05:17 PM
I doubt seriously that violent porn is very prevalent or growing or anything significant. It exists out there -- and it sickens me.

Many people who don't like porn would see all hardcore porn (like gangbang movies) as violent. I don't agree.

The report finds some of the 1% gross stuff, and talks about that. They then get a prude to equate all hardcore porn to the gross truely violent stuff -- and show that hardcore porn is huge. Thus they say violent porn is huge. It's not.

xdamage
12-18-2004, 12:07 AM
Some pretty fucked up guys are into hurting women. Most of us are not. That's not to say we dont have some notions of roles, but that the normal/average guy likes (loves?) having women in thier lives and would never abuse them (except maybe in a playful way, just exploring sexual fantasies kind of way).

Jenny
12-19-2004, 12:49 AM
Yeah, and all men who think women dressed as school girls are hot are pedophiles. The depcition is NOT the same as reality. Most guys who like the adult woman in a kilt and knee socks would not be attracted to an actual catholic school girl, and most guys who like rape scenes in porn would not actually like a rape scene in real life. For that matter women who like rape in porn would probably not like rape in real life. It's a movie. Not a model for life. I think there is a weird thing with politicizing sexual desire - and I am a fairly rabid feminist, incidentally. But desire, love and sex are areas that should be absolutely sacrosanct from political meddling. One should be allowed to indulge (within the legal limits of adult consent) one's own desire without justifying it.

Vyanka
12-19-2004, 11:48 AM
I love rough sex. ;D When I was with my ex., I've had fantasies of beating the shit out of him while we were having sex, lol. I'm not sure why, I guess bc he's physically big & it would make me feel really powerful? Weird, couldn't understand myself why I would get that urge to do so...haha.

RoseDelight
12-19-2004, 03:55 PM
you had fantasies of beating the shit out of your boyfriend? Hmmmmm.....Now I am kind of scared of boinking you, V. /:O

:rotfl:

Vyanka
12-19-2004, 04:07 PM
you had fantasies of beating the shit out of your boyfriend? Hmmmmm.....Now I am kind of scared of boinking you, V. /:O

:rotfl:
LOL,

Yeah, it's weird...LOL! I sometimes fantasize about the weirdest things. Well, I wanted to try on the strap on & give it to him back there, & while he would cum by it, punch him on the back so he can relax & pass out.

I think I have penis envy too. hahaha :D

Vyanka
12-19-2004, 04:17 PM
I think that's called a "Donkey Punch", not sure.

tiamaria
12-19-2004, 04:30 PM
OMG VY!:O And I thought you were a sweet girl:P

RoseDelight
12-19-2004, 04:31 PM
Strap ons can be fun but boys get pretty sensitive about that....Or so I've experienced.

Vyanka
12-19-2004, 04:35 PM
OMG VY!:O And I thought you were a sweet girl:P
I am, LOL. ;D

Vyanka
12-19-2004, 04:36 PM
Strap ons can be fun but boys get pretty sensitive about that....Or so I've experienced.
I've never done it before. Maybe i'll get lucky & do it to my next victim. }:D

RoseDelight
12-19-2004, 04:39 PM
I've tried it a few times, It is fun! But I'd rather the penis being shoved inside me though ;)

Ahem..*cough*

tiamaria
12-19-2004, 05:42 PM
who is your favorite Porn star?
I'd say mine would be tera Patrick.

Vyanka
12-19-2004, 05:50 PM
I really don't have a favorite to be honest. I just like to watch ppl f*ck on film, ugly, fat, whatever...lol

Minus those weird shit fetishes, ew! :yuck:

tiamaria
12-19-2004, 05:52 PM
You crack me up Vy!:D

Malibu
01-01-2005, 03:34 AM
I haven't seen violent porn, but rough stuff (some ass smacking, hard banging, light neck choking and hair pulling) is about as far as I'll personally go. I wouldn't want to be kicked the heck out of.

As far as porn goes, I can kinda understand this one. The ones that I do NOT understand are defecation and animal porn. That stuff is crazy.

Domination can be a good fantasy. I wouldn't want to tear my partner apart though. One thing that I've always wanted to do is use a strap on on a guy. That would be wicked }:D !!

vern
03-09-2005, 07:42 PM
there's nothing wrong with a healthy dose of hair pulling, ass-smacking, hip grabbing, and gagging. it depends on my mood..sometimes i'm in the mood to please and other times i want to treat you like my rag doll }:D.

Nicolina
03-10-2005, 01:11 AM
I do think that giving up control is the ultimate in sexy, but only when the woman willingly does so. Trying to force it makes no sense ... what makes it hot is that someone has willingly given you their complete trust. Taking it (through violence) is the exact opposite.

That's a really good point, Darren. I think I agree.

Archangel
04-15-2005, 12:52 PM
Gotta be careful about this topic.

Many studies show that helplessness and/or simulated rape is the number one and number two secret fantasy in women in two of the lower, yet legal, age groups. MUCH moreso than men of any age group. The trend of "violent porn" MAY be targeted at this demographic. Unfortunately, it also fuels the sociopaths. >:(

IMHO, I find it revolting and simply cannot oblige, even when I have been asked. :( I just can't even pretend without feeling sick to my stomach.

Oh, and for the curious, the number one fantasy of women over 35, according to the same studies, is making love with another woman. Keep in mind that only a very small percentage of women actually act on their fantasies... }:D

suga daddy
05-16-2005, 11:09 AM
A bunch of sick puppies are into that shit then they go out and abduct a victim to try to re-inact it like they just got a degree. When they go to the chair some years after being caught they find Jesus and think they can get away with anything. I'd like to see the teletubbies do some kinky porn however.

Head Boy
05-16-2005, 12:26 PM
I don't think violent porn is anywhere near the top. For Internet sites, teens (18-25 yr girls) are the most competitive and ubiquitous. Sites that are doing well for me at the moment are single girl teens with blogs and web cams in their members area, dogging (that's a UK thing of sex in public, and nothing to do with animals), an Asian (Indian) girl with her own site in the UK, and a very well endowed black guy.

Malibu
05-17-2005, 06:53 AM
Gotta be careful about this topic.

Many studies show that helplessness and/or simulated rape is the number one and number two secret fantasy in women in two of the lower, yet legal, age groups. MUCH moreso than men of any age group. The trend of "violent porn" MAY be targeted at this demographic. Unfortunately, it also fuels the sociopaths. >:(

Those things you listed can be a turn-on to certain people. However, I doubt that the sensible ones get kicks if this sort of thing is a real and serious matter. The grounding element is that these things are enacted with a trusted partner and both are obliging. You could also apply a similar argument that men who like watching young-looking girls wear schoolgirl outfits (e.g. SC patrons) are more likely to abduct children or engage in kiddie porn. You can't in all cases link a consented, fun and legal reenactment with being the roots of a real dangerous and illegal situation


IMHO, I find it revolting and simply cannot oblige, even when I have been asked. :( I just can't even pretend without feeling sick to my stomach.

That's different strokes and I completely respect that. I feel that it is often people who may have a tendency to take their reenactment to the next level (and I am not targetting you as an example by any way or form) should know their limits and abstain from such acts. But then, where can you draw the line initially? There is not enough evidence to say that these things are the pool from which a child molester or a rapist drew their original fantasies from. Although, I can't say I don't think that they are partly responsible in some cases.


Oh, and for the curious, the number one fantasy of women over 35, according to the same studies, is making love with another woman. Keep in mind that only a very small percentage of women actually act on their fantasies... }:D

I would like to feel that I am part of that percentage. ;) And for the record, girl-on-girl is fun!

Head Boy
05-17-2005, 08:00 AM
Child molesters are more likely to come from religious bigotry and sexual suppression than from looking at porn.

xdamage
05-17-2005, 09:04 AM
Those things you listed can be a turn-on to certain people. However, I doubt that the sensible ones get kicks if this sort of thing is a real and serious matter. The grounding element is that these things are enacted with a trusted partner and both are obliging.

I agree.

Putting aside the sick fucks who actually get off on hurting others, sex play involving being dominated, controlled, made-to have-sex is (I'd wager) fairly common fantasy stuff. I'd also wager that most of those who dabble in these areas with a trusted partner are not turned on by the violence, but by the control, and giving-up-of-control aspects of the fantasy.

Head Boy
05-17-2005, 09:47 AM
There is a violent lesbian role play site that's just been announced. What are the rules on posting links to sites like this?

Katrine
05-17-2005, 10:13 AM
There is a violent lesbian role play site that's just been announced. What are the rules on posting links to sites like this?

The rule is, post the link, NOW fucker! Don't make me wait any longer for great material like that! }:D

Head Boy
05-17-2005, 10:23 AM
It's the aga uncovered link on this site. Hard Bitches (http://www.hardbitches.com)

I've got some promo video clips, but I haven't put them on a site yet. AGA uncovered was only released about an hour ago, but I've known about it for a month or so.

Katrine
05-17-2005, 01:00 PM
Send me links, send me links! Free cyber lapdance in it for you! But the shit better be disturbing, no rookie crap!

socaltastic
05-23-2005, 05:17 AM
The fantasy is simple. A man chooses from among the women that are attracted to him the one that suits him and he takes her. He doesn't need to ask her permission for anything. She submits to him without question, and if she is insolent or bratty, she expects to get and he gives her suitable punishment. This is not rape. This is not violent.

The problem is that our fucked up repressed society has bred far to many repressed dipshits that act out their hatred of their own desires in perverted violent ways. Take for example the scene in Pulp Fiction that depicts a male rape. The existence of truly violent rape has in turn fucked up the victims and the non-repressed, because no one normal wants to be a part of such horror.

grinew127
06-14-2005, 01:59 AM
Have done dominatrix roles, and sub roles. Although the pay is really very good, I dislike them. Have to be extremely careful here.
Did one "bondage" session once for a video studio. Session lasted for a week, six hours a day. Environment was very professional but the atomsphere was, well, unusual to say the least. Pay was very good. Made more in that week than I could have in my usual gig working for three monthes. I really wasn't into it. This factor made them love me more. They offered me extra bonus if I did another session with them. I politely declined.

infra-red
07-30-2005, 01:45 AM
As the country goes...so shall the porn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MishaBliss
11-16-2005, 04:24 AM
Some guys just get off on watching the women get off by being treated roughly, i don't think they nessesarily all get off on just playing the 'abuser' role.
I for one love it, and thats what gets my husband off. I have also known other guys to be this way.

infra-red
01-02-2006, 04:16 PM
Scary, IMHO

SportsWriter2
01-02-2006, 09:42 PM
Some guys just get off on watching the women get off by being treated roughly, i don't think they nessesarily all get off on just playing the 'abuser' role.
I for one love it, and thats what gets my husband off. I have also known other guys to be this way.
That's a good explanation. It's not about "abuse" in any dimension.

smartcookie
01-04-2006, 10:45 PM
Oh, really? What would you call blowjob puke scenes, as popularized by Max Hardcore? They just give me the warm n' fuzzies.

Casual Observer
01-05-2006, 02:38 PM
^ It's just not sexual at that point, so I don't get what the appeal is if not to celebrate abuse.