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Jenny
05-23-2007, 08:51 PM
Checked my email and saw one from Miss D that she sent right after I left. An excerpt from it is as good a follow up as any.

"Hope you have a great trip. Thanks for the cash anyhow on Fri.--I needed it to pay my stupid rent. I can give you a Sat for it--if you want :) If not, I'll count it towards the "I heart Miss D" retirement fund (hehe).

Call me when you get back. Can't wait to see your white ass (hehe)"

Well, I can't fault her for asking for the 5 as a bonus, although just saying "love" or inserting a heart smilie instead of the word "heart" would have been more effective :P But clearly, she's willing to go along with whatever I decide ;D



Had I cancelled I would agree but it was a ballet convention. That's sort of like an Act of God, right? Or one of those other occurrences that provide non-payment loopholes . But I'm a stand up guy so if I do decide to take advantage of her offer, I will compensate her for the short time we did spend together. Since I bought her a nice lunch and drinks and my charm and conversation was particularly entertaining that day as I recall, my offer probably won't exceed $100. I know that sounds cheap but, well, you just had to be there.

FBR

I don't think ballet constitutes an act of god, no. And you'd have to be pretty fucking charming to make up for clearing my afternoon and me coming away without cash. But you know - I wouldn't have offered the money back to begin with. Hey - your screw up, right?

Although - I'd probably be happy with the money and not insist on pummeling your testicles. I don't get that either.

FBR
05-23-2007, 09:31 PM
I don't think ballet constitutes an act of god, no. And you'd have to be pretty fucking charming to make up for clearing my afternoon and me coming away without cash. But you know - I wouldn't have offered the money back to begin with. Hey - your screw up, right?

Although - I'd probably be happy with the money and not insist on pummeling your testicles. I don't get that either.

Miss D is in charge of getting the hotel/motel room so a reasonable person would assume that she's the one that screwed up. I mean, she could have done the "call ahead seating" in an effort to make sure that no pesky ballet conventions would fucko our get together. Based on her lack of business proactiveness, I should be the one reeling and offended from the shock of having a Saturday fun nuked. But for whats it's worth, all is forgiven. I was mildly irritated but I saw her at the club tonight and after being suitably schmoozed, scheduled a get togther this coming Saturday. At full price. So she got her bonus after all. I'm OK with it. My warchest is flush at the moment.

FBR

Jenny
05-23-2007, 10:57 PM
Miss D is in charge of getting the hotel/motel room so a reasonable person would assume that she's the one that screwed up. I mean, she could have done the "call ahead seating" in an effort to make sure that no pesky ballet conventions would fucko our get together. Based on her lack of business proactiveness, I should be the one reeling and offended from the shock of having a Saturday fun nuked. But for whats it's worth, all is forgiven. I was mildly irritated but I saw her at the club tonight and after being suitably schmoozed, scheduled a get togther this coming Saturday. At full price. So she got her bonus after all. I'm OK with it. My warchest is flush at the moment.

FBR
Oh, I didn't realize that. You're right. Absolutely. In fact, I think she now owes you money.

rockie
05-24-2007, 05:03 AM
FBR Meets Jenny OTC



http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8205/zpunchxs0.gif





:rotfl:


I have a different vision of the character's portrayed above. I envision that this is the ideal OTC between Mr_Punk and Jenny. Mr_Punk's obvious response to the situation above: Is that all you've got? How disappointing!

James Bond
05-24-2007, 05:23 AM
Wow, 007, I totally missed your comment :O I don't understand from the couple of posts Jenny and I made how you would conclude that she wants to turn my balls into bloody, spermy mush. Jenny and I get along just fine. My feelings would be hurt if she did more than don a set of work gloves (to avoid scrotum cooties) and smack my balls around a little bit...you know...just to wake me up. I'm OK with that. But I don't think she's motivated to inflict permanent damage.

FBR

FBR, that GIFF featuring Jenny and you was just for laughs. You kinda remind me of the guy in the GIFF by your avatar, and Jenny reminded me of the girl in the GIFF because she is the biggest ball buster on SW. ;) ;D

I know you guys get along, you both just happen to come to mind when I seen that GIFF. Besides, some guys pay good money for that treatment (not me, though), so it wasn't a Jenny VS FBR GIFF.

evan_essence
05-24-2007, 09:30 PM
Jenny reminded me of the girl in the GIFF because she is the biggest ball buster on SW. ;) ;DWell hell, that's what I get for being out of practice. Relegated to bat cleanup.

-Ev

lunchbox
05-25-2007, 07:59 AM
Well hell, that's what I get for being out of practice. Relegated to bat cleanup.

-Ev

That's OK. You can punch me in the nuts any time, however, I must insist on no brass knuckles.

FBR
05-25-2007, 02:51 PM
Oh, I didn't realize that. You're right. Absolutely. In fact, I think she now owes you money.

Ah, simpatico is truly a wonderful thing. It has taken work on both our parts but the results demonstrate the worthiness of the effort. I'm thrilled with the spirit of understanding that has developed between Jenny and me :)

FBR

lestat1
07-08-2007, 04:39 PM
This seems a more appropriate place for my current situation than the trip reports thread, so here we go.

To get ya'll caught up, while talking with my current ATF after a VIP in June, she asked for my number. I should mention that by current ATF, I mean I've seen her 2-3 times a year for maybe 3 years or so. I'm not exactly a regular, but I always see her each time I do go.

Back to the VIP (which was hot). We spent the second half chatting, and I heard her life story. She said she wanted to be friends, and even balked initially when I went to tip her extra at the end of the VIP, saying that money and friends don't mix (but being a college student she'd take it). I really thought it was all StripperShit(tm) and simply planned on seeing her again ITC when I was up for it. Then she called two days later and we chatted briefly over the next few days. She mentioned grabbing lunch sometime, and said she'd call later in the week to set it up. A little over two weeks later she finally called - this was yesterday. She's been "busy" and apologized for not calling. I hadn't called her either since I didn't know what was going on and figured, again, just some good StripperShit(tm). She said we should try to get lunch tomorrow (i.e. today) and said she'd call. She didn't.

All the signs are there that she's not interested in OTC. The problem is plenty of signs are there that she is. I never pursued OTC or even hinted at it. I really am happy with just seeing her ITC. She asked for my number, she called me, she keeps asking me out to lunch. Then it never materializes. {sigh}

The frustrating thing is, I'd like to see her ITC this week or next, but not if she's being genuine about the whole friends thing. In that case, I'd like to pursue whatever kind of OTC thing she'd like. So I'm in limbo. :(

Jenny
07-08-2007, 04:59 PM
Maybe she is just playing hard to get? Or maybe she is just a flake and returns calls late. Maybe she meant it at the time, and then forgot or changed her mind. Maybe she expected you to offer to pay her? From the typical SS perspective - and keep in mind that this isn't something I do, but rationally - why would you bother setting up and grooming a 2 time a year customer? I'm sure you're nice and a great customer, but I can't imagine how you would be worth external maintenance based on that frequency.

I think you've hit on a great way of dealing - "I'd really like to keep giving you money, but I don't want to if we're going to be friends and see each other outside..."

crizgolfer
07-08-2007, 05:11 PM
Each situation is different so here is one perspective from someone that has had a similar situation. Same deal she asked for my number and said she would like to have dinner or lunch sometime. I was fine with that thinking it was either maintenance, or perhaps she really did like me. Didn't matter much either way to me. I liked her, but I don't put a lot of value in this type of conversation in a SC. I just go with the flow.

Anyway, she would call and talk for a bit and say we should get lunch. Then she would not call (same type of thing as you described). I resolved it by being direct.

I told her that I thought she was interesting and I would love to have lunch/dinner/whatever with her sometime, but no money would change hands for this other than me paying for dinner, etc. like I would with any woman. If she is just trying to maintain me as a customer that is fine also, but stop with the calls and broken appointments. That will ruin our business relationship as I do not like being played. If she stops now then we can maintain that business relationship.

"Problem" was solved.

lestat1
07-08-2007, 05:12 PM
Maybe she is just playing hard to get? Or maybe she is just a flake and returns calls late. Maybe she meant it at the time, and then forgot or changed her mind. Maybe she expected you to offer to pay her? From the typical SS perspective - and keep in mind that this isn't something I do, but rationally - why would you bother setting up and grooming a 2 time a year customer? I'm sure you're nice and a great customer, but I can't imagine how you would be worth external maintenance based on that frequency.

Thanks Jenny, thats a sensible point I hadn't thought of. It does seem like a lot of maintenance effort for so little money.



I think you've hit on a great way of dealing - "I'd really like to keep giving you money, but I don't want to if we're going to be friends and see each other outside..."
I can't tell what that means...and I'm not dealing so well. It's stressful. :-[

Actually I would still go see her ITC and give her money if it didn't make things too weird OTC, but of course, it would be weird getting dances from a friend. I feel weird just being waited on by a friend at a restaurant. Also there is her comment about not mixing friends and money.

yoda57us
07-08-2007, 05:28 PM
I'm not claiming for one second to know what you girl's motivations are - that would be trying to think like a stripper and my head hurts every time I try to do that!
What I CAN tell you is that anytime an OTC arrangement has had a favorable outcome for me it always involved the gal calling when she said she would call and there was never any gray area on either side about what was and was not going to happen. I tend to forget about the ones who flake on me pretty quickly - both ITC and OTC.

azdd
07-09-2007, 05:51 AM
I agree with Criz and Yoda. I used to be a regular of a dancer in Tucson that pulled this same SS, always saying she wanted to have lunch, and telling me she wanted to travel with me to Phoenix to visit my favorite clubs and dancers there. I bought into it enough to make a minor fool of myself trying to set something up, but she never came through and I finally recognized that awesome aroma of expertly applied SS designed to keep me coming into her club.

I recall some very wise advice in an earlier thread from The Other Owner - "The dancer ALWAYS chooses". If she is truly interested, she'll make it happen regardless of what you do or don't do. I think Criz's little "come to Jesus" meeting with his dancer is great advice.

xdamage
07-09-2007, 07:35 AM
I'm not claiming for one second to know what you girl's motivations are - that would be trying to think like a stripper and my head hurts every time I try to do that!
What I CAN tell you is that anytime an OTC arrangement has had a favorable outcome for me it always involved the gal calling when she said she would call and there was never any gray area on either side about what was and was not going to happen. I tend to forget about the ones who flake on me pretty quickly - both ITC and OTC.

Yoda has nailed it. BTW this same thing applied to real GFs for me. The ones that worked out, and the one that has been my S.O. for many years is on time, calls on time, etc., just like I do - it's common courtesy if nothing else. When they don't, save your emotional and mental energy trying to figure it out. It's just not worth it.

mr_punk
07-09-2007, 08:01 AM
Back to the VIP (which was hot). We spent the second half chatting, and I heard her life story.<snip>frankly, it sounds like she's attempting to step up her game and string you along. i mean, after 6 or so meetings over a 3 year period. all of a sudden she's running this friend game on you. in my experience, when i click (ie: fun and games ITC and/or OTC) with a stripper. it happens fairly quickly rather than slowly. which is one way to separate the producers from the bullshitters. generally speaking, when a sex worker begins to present herself as anything other than recreation theme park. it's time to beware. anyway, don't take it personal or get wrapped up in the issue. girls have to try and string along guys to make money.

I can't tell what that means...and I'm not dealing so well. It's stressful. Actually I would still go see her ITC and give her money if it didn't make things too weird OTC, but of course, it would be weird getting dances from a friend. I feel weird just being waited on by a friend at a restaurant. Also there is her comment about not mixing friends and money.OTOH, it's "mission accomplished" in the sense that you're focused on the issue and want to give her money. OTOH, she may have made a mistake by overplaying her hand.

lestat1
07-09-2007, 03:57 PM
OTOH, it's "mission accomplished" in the sense that you're focused on the issue and want to give her money. OTOH, she may have made a mistake by overplaying her hand.

I'm single now. Girlfriend money is now recreation/dancer money, so I'm stepping up my visits regardless of the ATF. She gets the bulk of my business because she gives some of the best [bed] dances I've ever had and at a very reasonable price. Granted, her SS has kept me thinking of her, but at the same time I won't see her ITC until this matter is clear to me. So yeah, in that sense she went a little too far with the SS.

FBR
07-09-2007, 04:20 PM
I agree with the others...sounds like she has complicated things by suggesting OTC (while apparently having no intention to follow through) and now has you feeling queasy about the whole situation. And I doubt she even realizes that by her actions she has placed your business is jeopardy. Bad move on her part, especially considering you have been content with just ITC for three years.


The frustrating thing is, I'd like to see her ITC this week or next, but not if she's being genuine about the whole friends thing. In that case, I'd like to pursue whatever kind of OTC thing she'd like. So I'm in limbo.

Well, I can see pursuing OTC if you believe it will get you more action than you have been receiving ITC...even if it costs you more money. And you can still be "friendly" while transacting business. But real honest to god friends? Strippers are notorious users of other people. Hell, even Miss D, who is the most reliable and straightforward stripper I have ever met, runs though "friends" like underwear. I'd hate to see you turn into the "friend" who she phones and asks to bring her a pizza to work or calls you at 2AM to give her a ride home from work because her boyfriend didn't show to pick her up.

FBR

Jenny
07-09-2007, 05:20 PM
Well, I can see pursuing OTC if you believe it will get you more action than you have been receiving ITC...even if it costs you more money. And you can still be "friendly" while transacting business. But real honest to god friends? Strippers are notorious users of other people. Hell, even Miss D, who is the most reliable and straightforward stripper I have ever met, runs though "friends" like underwear. I'd hate to see you turn into the "friend" who she phones and asks to bring her a pizza to work or calls you at 2AM to give her a ride home from work because her boyfriend didn't show to pick her up.

FBROh for crying out loud, FBR. We aren't automatons. We sometimes actually like people. I mean, not that many, but some. And for crying out loud (again!) you wanna know who are notorious users of people, look at freaking strip club customers. Gawd.

I still think if he is on the level - like he is okay going back to being a customer, but would prefer "friendship or more" (keep in mind, that "lunch" may not, even the best case scenario, mean she wants or is willing to fuck you) that a handy way of dealing is by putting like that. I would like to be your customer, but I don't feel comfortable doing both - so is there is potential for a "real life" relationship I think I'd like to stop seeing you in the club." Trust me - if it is SS (in which case this girl needs to learn to strategize) that will make it go away because it puts firmly on the table that it is achieving the opposite of what she wants. Unless she's retarded. I'm assuming that she is of normal human intelligence.

Okay - I'll level too. I've never made a secret that I've dated customer and that I've been friends with customers (again, not that many, but some). There have also been guys that, when I was drunk or whatever I thought were great, but the next day wondered what I was thinking. Or some neutral, non-insulting variation of that sentence. Point being, sometimes things seem like a good idea and you then change your mind. And that can go for a lot of things - like if she were assuming that there would be paid sex involved or whatever. And yes, maybe she should just tell you she changed her mind, but that is an awkward conversation, and again - losing a twice a year customer is not likely to sting too bad (although I'm sure you're delightful) so you might just not bother with damage control.

FBR
07-09-2007, 06:04 PM
Jenny, seems to me you are just defending a sister's behavior that I doubt you yourself would engage in. He has been content for three years to be a happy money spending ITC customer. I always thought that is what dancers want. Keep it in the club and give me money. And yet she's now throwing out the OTC crap and you are suggesting that she might be serious. Hell, she won't even be seen in public with him for a simple lunch much less becoming dating material or a hanging out buddy.

FBR

Jenny
07-09-2007, 06:26 PM
Dude - I just said I've done it. Anyone who has never thought better of giving someone their contact information, raise your hand? And sorry, but I thought there was something a little precious about calling us notorious users after you opened with: "Well, I can see pursuing OTC if you believe it will get you more action than you have been receiving ITC...even if it costs you more money but I'd never actually be friends with one." Seriously - I just leafed through some threads here, and you calling us "users" - I don't even know what the pot is calling the kettle, but "black" is insufficient for these purposes.

I completely acknowledged the fact that she could be not serious, or that she could have expected an financial offer to occur (I don't know, is "lunch" code for something? Like "So we could meet for lunch?" is meant to garner the response of "so $400 for an hour of sex?"). I also pointed out that it would not occur to someone of reasonable human intelligence to try to string a long a twice a year customer, and that strippers get drunk and then change their minds about things. That is, she wasn't calculating when she made the offer, but subsequently changed her mind (for whatever reason) and opted to just brush it off rather than explain. Really the "maybe she just returns calls late" was not something I was focusing on. I also suggested that if he wants to just close it, to put it to her like one or the other - trust me, when you threaten to take our money away, these things get clear.

Finally - what do we say to every guy who is ever "does she really like me?" We say "statistically, probably not, but we don't know her."

FBR
07-09-2007, 06:39 PM
Dude, I'm sorry. I like totally misread. I thought your said that you have dated a few customers and have become friends with a few others. I totally missed where you said that you hinted or blatantly promised OTC, played customers on the phone but then flaked. I apologize for doubting your stripper professionalism and tactics.

FBR

Jenny
07-09-2007, 06:49 PM
Dude, I'm sorry. I like totally misread. I thought your said that you have dated a few customers and have become friends with a few others. I totally missed where you said that you hinted or blatantly promised OTC, played customers on the phone but then flaked. I apologize for doubting your stripper professionalism and tactics.

FBR
Thank you for that blatant and ridiculous mischaracterization. Are you channeling punk right now? I said that I have, on occasion, sometimes thought that seeing someone would be fun or interesting and then decided subsequently that it wouldn't. Again - anyone who has never regretted exchanging numbers raise your hand. I don't hint or promise OTC the way you guys talk about because I don't do OTC the way you guys talk about, but I also don't fuck guys or date them just to be polite after I've used poor judgment. I know it is much easier to sort of polarize it into "prostitute waiting for an offer" and "lying stripper" because, well, those are the only purposes we serve for you, but sometimes, even for mutant breeds like us, there are just normal social gaffes that are maybe not handled in the best way. It's the whole "we are human beings" thing, you know - I mean you don't have to care about it, but you not caring doesn't make it non-existant.

lestat1
07-09-2007, 07:13 PM
I was waiting for the conclusion to the latest round before posting, but I don't think it'll happen tonight. So here goes...

She called me while I was at work today but I didn't answer. So she called again, and then texted me. Fortunately I was shortly on my way out and called her back. She's grabbing dinner with her kid and invites me along. Okay, but I'm a ways away so it'll be a little while to fight rush hour traffic. No problem, she can't stay long but at least we'll meet up for a little while just to see each other she says. About half-way there I get a call (I assume everyone knows where this is headed). Drama with her friend, she has to run, but maybe we'll meet up later tonight and grab a snack or she'll stop by my place? Ooookay. She apologizes for flaking yesterday and again today, joking about how I didn't call her before and I'll probably never call her now. I tell her not to worry.

My prediction is no call tonight, then a call tommorrow along the lines of: "hey I work the rest of the nights this week, but we should meet up this weekend for lunch." Then a repeat of the above. Anyone want to place bets? :P

FBR
07-09-2007, 07:16 PM
Jenny, Punk knows I'm not even in his county in terms of being ruthless. He would laugh at the suggestion. I mean, I make an effort to actually like the strippers I engage. Its more fun for me. He prefers that they be headless and without limbs as long as they are still warm and he doesn't get arrested for abusing a corpse.

But back to your point, I wish for stat's sake it had been a drunken slip of the tongue. I've been drunk and have said things I regretted too. Thats something most of us would forgive. But for her to belatedly call two weeks after the fact suggesting once again OTC and then once again not following through seems to imply a business ethic that I thought you would be disturbed by, at least in principle.

FBR

crizgolfer
07-09-2007, 07:19 PM
Have you received the text message that ends with "miss u"?

lestat1
07-09-2007, 07:19 PM
It's not her work ethic that bothers me, but the false hope. False hope lets me crawl out of my low-confidence hole and poke my head up at the pretty girlies. Then the *false* part kicks in and back down the hole I go, only this time it's a little bit deeper.

lestat1
07-09-2007, 07:20 PM
Have you received the text message that ends with "miss u"?

LOL - not yet. So far just the: "Are you thinking about me?" phone question.

crizgolfer
07-09-2007, 07:27 PM
LOL - not yet. So far just the: "Are you thinking about me?" phone question.

To which the proper reply would be: "Well, sweetheart...last time I saw you you were standing on your head doing the splits while naked. What do YOU think?"

FBR
07-09-2007, 07:31 PM
LOL - not yet. So far just the: "Are you thinking about me?" phone question.

stat LOL surely you have to see how wierd this is getting.

I know I came across as a cynical asshole because I suspect you want her to be real. But shes not. Its hard to accept. Why dont you just shut down the fake OTC bullshit and go back to all those happy ending bed dances. I mean, at the end of the day, most guys just want to cum and after that who cares?

FBR

James Bond
07-09-2007, 07:59 PM
Lestat1, you can't trust anyone, weather it's a car salesman, a dentist, lawyer, or stripper, when you're buying a service or product from them. They want your money and are going to pretend to be your best friend until they clean you out.

Out of all those people listed, the stripper is at least the most honest of them all; you're going to get your money's worth and at least have a good time. The others will fuck you royal without even a kiss on the cheek.

The dancer might have called you then changed her mind. Whatever the reason, don't expect to be a dancer's friend OTC. I see no point in this. What are you going to be, her errand boy?

Next time you see her, just act like it didn't happen. Don't ask her about it and ignore anymore of her suggestions for OTC friendship.

Jenny
07-09-2007, 08:09 PM
stat LOL surely you have to see how wierd this is getting.
It's weird.

But still - you didn't do the whole "I want to either see you in or out of the club" thing either. Because you don't really want just an answer - you like the hope. Admit it.

lestat1
07-09-2007, 08:36 PM
It's weird.

But still - you didn't do the whole "I want to either see you in or out of the club" thing either. Because you don't really want just an answer - you like the hope. Admit it.

Oh I absolutely admit it! :)

As much as it stresses me out and I hate *false* hope, the slim sliver of a chance that it's real hope is rather nice.

EDIT:
p.s. Which is why I'll probably let it drag on like this for a few more weeks or a month, and then do the only sensible thing: actually communicate with her about it. lol Most likely we'll go back to ITC with me feeling a little bruised...until my next VIP and then I'll be fine. ;)

mr_punk
07-09-2007, 09:02 PM
He has been content for three years to be a happy money spending ITC customer. I always thought that is what dancers want. Keep it in the club and give me money.c'mon, FBR. you know the drill. how many times have you thought you knew what a woman wanted (you know, because she told you) only to find out she changed her mind? of course, she never informs him until he screws up because he isn't sensitive enough to know that she changed her mind. i mean, a woman will tell a man to pick an apple from a tree, which is surrounded by constantina wire and a moat with live alligators. so, he gets the apple and gives it to her, only to find out she really wanted a peach from the tree surrounded by an electrified fence, man-eating cannibals and flame throwers....sigh.

Jenny, Punk knows I'm not even in his county in terms of being ruthless. He would laugh at the suggestion. I mean, I make an effort to actually like the strippers I engage. Its more fun for me. He prefers that they be headless and without limbs as long as they are still warm and he doesn't get arrested for abusing a corpse.whoa, you got me all wrong, FBR. i do like arms and legs on a stripper.

FBR
07-09-2007, 09:07 PM
Oh I absolutely admit it! :)



stat, never cave in to Jenny's points on the first response. Build up an argument and debate it through several posts. I mean, surrender is pretty much a given ultimately but she will like you better if you joust for a while :)

FBR

mr_punk
07-09-2007, 09:14 PM
She called me while I was at work today but I didn't answer. So she called again, and then texted me. Fortunately I was shortly on my way out and called her back. She's grabbing dinner with her kid and invites me along. Okay, but I'm a ways away so it'll be a little while to fight rush hour traffic. No problem, she can't stay long but at least we'll meet up for a little while just to see each other she says. About half-way there I get a call (I assume everyone knows where this is headed). Drama with her friend, she has to run, but maybe we'll meet up later tonight and grab a snack or she'll stop by my place? Ooookay. She apologizes for flaking yesterday and again today, joking about how I didn't call her before and I'll probably never call her now.LOL..now, that's classic and strippers wonder why guys pester them about seeing them OTC after they string them along like a puppet.

My prediction is no call tonight, then a call tommorrow along the lines of: "hey I work the rest of the nights this week, but we should meet up this weekend for lunch." Then a repeat of the above. Anyone want to place bets?no, even i know that's a sucker's bet. anyway, i never met the broad and even if she does meet you OTC. she seems pretty flaky. are you sure you want to be her friend? LOL. in any event, what do you expect? there are no guarantees in the sex biz, stat. flakiness and drama comes with the territory. all you can do is laugh and try not to get wrapped up in it..

It's not her work ethic that bothers me, but the false hope. False hope lets me crawl out of my low-confidence hole and poke my head up at the pretty girlies. Then the *false* part kicks in and back down the hole I go, only this time it's a little bit deeper.like i said, don't take it personal. strippers have to string along guys to keep the money flowing. otherwise, customers wouldn't spend as much or as long and would complain that she's not really into him and only after his money.

lestat1
07-09-2007, 09:15 PM
stat, never cave in to Jenny's points on the first response. Build up an argument and debate it through several posts. I mean, surrender is pretty much a given ultimately but she will like you better if you joust for a while :)

FBR

I try to avoid debating people I like. My stubborn German side comes out and I tend to argue very...strongly. I also like being right, and I've found that the best way to always be right is to change your mind when you're wrong.

lestat1
07-09-2007, 09:25 PM
Punk, you are indeed wise. I also have to admit that on the opposite side of me that tries to have hope, I like seeing what she keeps coming up with next. I wonder what wacky things she'll come up with for why she isn't able to meet for lunch next week, and the week after, etc. :)

I sense a pending 'death in the family.'

mr_punk
07-09-2007, 09:35 PM
I wonder what wacky things she'll come up with for why she isn't able to meet for lunch next week, and the week after, etc. I sense a pending 'death in the family.'LOL...how about an emergency heart/liver/lung transplant for her cat? oh yeah, try to keep a lid on any open double-takes or guffaw until the end of her story.

xdamage
07-09-2007, 10:44 PM
Stat,

The only tiny bit of wisdom I can add to this is that the best hustlers partially believe themselves to be honest/good/fair even when manipulating their prey. The best hustlers have no no tells, and since few of us are capable of being tell free when hustling someone else, blurring the lines of what is real and not for the hustler is often how they step up their game. Bottom line is even if a dancer kind of does think she really does like you, even if her emotions are completely genuine, it still doesn't mean that you aren't being hustled to some degree. Your best friend is always a clear minded intellect that faces facts, and so far the facts that you are facing include that she has flaked out multiple times. If we can't be honest with ourselves, no body else will be either.

azdd
07-10-2007, 05:15 AM
As much as it stresses me out and I hate *false* hope, the slim sliver of a chance that it's real hope is rather nice.


In this sentence you have successfully captured the essence of strip club addiction for most of us PLs that keeps bringing us back, and back, and back....

xdamage
07-10-2007, 06:24 AM
But real honest to god friends? Strippers are notorious users of other people. Hell, even Miss D, who is the most reliable and straightforward stripper I have ever met, runs though "friends" like underwear. I'd hate to see you turn into the "friend" who she phones and asks to bring her a pizza to work or calls you at 2AM to give her a ride home from work because her boyfriend didn't show to pick her up.

FBR

Preface - this is blue, not pink; it's a customer oriented site, so we tend to discuss things from the customer (of which most of our male) viewpoint that are not PC. So that said...

We all are partially responsible for this situation. Occasionally I have rare moments of clarity when I laugh at what we don't do to gain the favor of a hot woman. Throw huge wads of money at them sure, but every guy here has been with other men in settings where a hot women enters the scene in some way (e.g., the hot waitress who serves lunch, or a new hire at work), and knows how quick we are to enter suck-up/compete mode to gain her favor.

Hey, when the message you receive for a big portion of your life is that guys (and bi/lesbian girls) are anxious to suck up, and practically begging for you to ask them to do favors for you, I guess it's hardly surprising that one would learn to take advantage of that situation (and really after all we all do use of our strengths and advantages to our favor).

Richard_Head
07-10-2007, 08:29 AM
Lestat, I wish you well but I'm thinking she just overplayed her hand. I had one dancer who I'd see once or twice a month for a good couple of years (with no mention of any OTC by either of us), I would spend maybe $100 or so a visit (nothing astronomical), much to my surprise the dancer suddenly started broaching the subject of meeting OTC (again, this is after several years), I essentially brushed off the suggestions taking them for SS, plus I was content with things as they were, everytime I stopped in she would bring the subject up again though so finally I relented and called her on it and gave her my number, not surprisingly I never heard from her. Like you I stopped going to the club for a while then finally relented and headed back, the next time I saw her she said "so when are we going to meet OTC???" I just laughed, mentioned that I had given her my number for that purpose and neither of us brought the subject up again. I'm guessing she was hoping to get me either into the club more often or spending more per visit, it didn't really work though as my visits declined if anything.

FBR
07-10-2007, 05:50 PM
EDIT:
p.s. Which is why I'll probably let it drag on like this for a few more weeks or a month, and then do the only sensible thing: actually communicate with her about it. lol Most likely we'll go back to ITC with me feeling a little bruised...until my next VIP and then I'll be fine. ;)

Well, that would be the most sensible way to resolve it. And I do admire your spirit of forgiveness. Just carry on as if nothing ever happened.

FBR

Casual Observer
07-10-2007, 07:24 PM
I wouldn't take offense, but I wouldn't let her continue the barrage of SS, either.

Jenny
07-10-2007, 07:44 PM
Well, I was giving her the benefit of the doubt, so I'm kind of offended. I think you should skin her. Oh, oh, oh, and then stuff her flesh with something so you prop her up in your living room and you can have a stripper any time you want. Then you can look at her and say "how would you like to meet for lunch NOW? Huh?"

There will have to be some kind of wire or pipe cleaner involved to make her poseable.

FBR
07-10-2007, 07:56 PM
Well, I was giving her the benefit of the doubt, so I'm kind of offended. I think you should skin her. Oh, oh, oh, and then stuff her flesh with something so you prop her up in your living room and you can have a stripper any time you want. Then you can look at her and say "how would you like to meet for lunch NOW? Huh?"

There will have to be some kind of wire or pipe cleaner involved to make her poseable.

Be careful, Jenny. stat is in emotional turmoil and might actually act upon your suggestion. Then we would all have to read about it on the internet and anguish over the fact that we could have prevented such a tragedy. I'd rather him just say to her, in spite of her shadiness "Eh, you are a flaky stripper but you are hot. All is forgiven if you RCG me."

I'm all about happy endings where nobody gets hurt :)

FBR

Jenny
07-10-2007, 08:00 PM
Well you see FBR - in some ways you and I are very different people. Because I'm all about the vengeful skinning.

FBR
07-10-2007, 08:10 PM
Well you see FBR - in some ways you and I are very different people. Because I'm all about the vengeful skinning.

But simpatico in so many other ways. Thats the thread I'm clinging to. I pray every day for special dispensation.

FBR

lestat1
07-10-2007, 08:47 PM
<snip>All is forgiven if you RCG me."


FBR - What the heck is RCG?

I was just going to go with standard tipping for a while. Until I cave three seconds after my next VIP because I'm a softee like that and give her more than the standard...like I did last time. :-\

Actually, given the precise nature of these VIPs, I think simply wearing a pair of my silk boxers instead of my usual, absorbant, cotton ones should be sufficient pennance for her and reward for me. Although given past activities with her that really wouldn't phase her one bit. ;)


Jenny,
The vengeful skinning I'll save for Best Buy and the dancer who ripped me off two trips ago. SS is part of the game and the ATF's no mind reader - I can't expect her to know that giving me false hope is more cruel than in most cases.

Now the cranky bitch at Best Buy who yelled at me when we tried to do a simple exchange and the thieving trash who took my $40 tip for one dance and then argued the whole time for more money, calling that my "dance" - them I offer up for skinning (see my 6/20 TripReport for the transcript of that insane conversation).


Wow, that Best Buy incident was over 5 years ago. I definitely have no tolerance for being treated unfairly. Never fails to set off the "stewing in silent anger" 'stat -> >:(