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FBR
07-10-2007, 09:16 PM
FBR - What the heck is RCG?

Reverse Cow Girl

http://www.stripperweb.com/wiki/Stripper_glossary

FBR

crizgolfer
07-10-2007, 09:41 PM
I think you should skin her. Oh, oh, oh, and then stuff her flesh with something so you prop her up in your living room and you can have a stripper any time you want.

Don't forget to put a slit in her...this way you have a place to put the dollar bills...it would be kind of like a piggy bank...but more like a stripper bank...}:D

Smokeless
07-10-2007, 11:52 PM
... She's grabbing dinner with her kid and invites me along. ... About half-way there I get a call (I assume everyone knows where this is headed). Drama with her friend, she has to run, but maybe we'll meet up later tonight and grab a snack or she'll stop by my place? Ooookay. She apologizes for flaking yesterday and again today,...
Let's look at the evidence. Single mom. Man problems. Drama with friends. Unreliable. It doesn't matter if it's SS. Could be quite innocent. But she's a drama queen. Would you date a drama queen whom you found in another venue or situation? If so, or if for some other reason you must follow through, just show up ITC when you had originally intended and renew the drama there. If not, follow the advice already given. In any case, good luck and enjoy.

SportsWriter2
07-11-2007, 04:52 AM
Stat, it's time to think outside the box:

1. Single mom: Would you want a car that came with a kid?

2. Man problems: Would you want your windshield smashed?

3. Drama with friends: Would you want your car keyed?

4. Unreliable: Would you want a car that didn't start?

ITC gives you what you want without the spillover effects.

xdamage
07-11-2007, 07:23 AM
Let's look at the evidence. Single mom. Man problems. Drama with friends. Unreliable. It doesn't matter if it's SS. Could be quite innocent. But she's a drama queen.

Yep, but look at how many guys end up being able to overlook all of that as long as they have a hot-bod. And probably even the guys figure they might be able to tame the drama queen, but they are almost always wrong. No matter how much the drama queen tells you she is unhappy and wants to meet a nice guy and get her life in order, the drama queens fundamentally love the drama and relationship turmoil in their lives. They are the Star of the show, a key figure in a never ending drama that revolves around them, an on-going emotional roller-coaster that they are hooked on like crack. Why would any sane guy find this attractive? They don't. If she was ugly no guy would bother. It's only because she is hot which has turned stat's brain into the OFF mode. I can understand wanting the holy grail, but a relationship?

lestat1
07-11-2007, 03:30 PM
Why would any sane guy find this attractive? They don't. If she was ugly no guy would bother. It's only because she is hot which has turned stat's brain into the OFF mode. I can understand wanting the holy grail, but a relationship?

<pointless "I'm growing older" self-reflection.>

I'm 29 with the experience of a 16 year old, at best. Any relationship, even a bad one or a friendship, is something from which I can learn and gain confidence with women. Maybe she has a single friend? Maybe she's bat-shit crazy...the one thing I know is that my life is getting no better, my confidence no higher, by hanging out with my "nice quiet friends," and doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result. I think my life could use a little crazy in it, from time to time.

</pointless "I'm growing older" self-reflection.>

Jenny
07-11-2007, 04:48 PM
What is the experience of a 16 year old? Like in your world?

slims099
07-11-2007, 05:05 PM
In this sentence you have successfully captured the essence of strip club addiction for most of us PLs that keeps bringing us back, and back, and back....


How are we PL's by going to strip clubs? I don't understand.

crizgolfer
07-11-2007, 05:07 PM
What is the experience of a 16 year old? Like in your world?


What is the point of this question? Other than perhaps you have a bad day and will not find happiness until you can belittle someone else.

lestat1
07-11-2007, 05:26 PM
What is the experience of a 16 year old? Like in your world?

I meant with regard to women (naturally life experience in general is far greater). I've had two girlfriends (6 months and 2.5 years), and sex with one of them. A bad first date with another, and a pitiful attempt at asking out another girl. That's it. Okay now that I've spelled it out, perhaps "19" would have been better.

Jenny
07-11-2007, 05:27 PM
What is the point of this question? Other than perhaps you have a bad day and will not find happiness until you can belittle someone else.
Dude, what's your problem? A) it's hardly belittling and if I really wanted to belittle someone, you are sitting right there. If you're not feeling belittled I'm obviously not having that bad a day. b) it's hardly like I brought up his sexual inexperience. Obviously he has no problem talking about it, and if he does he is perfectly free to ignore or hedge the question or respond in any way he likes. As for what reasons I may have for asking that question - since we're all about relevance right now, what has THAT got to do with YOU? Maybe I've had similar problems. Maybe I just want to talk about some strange guy's sex life. Maybe I feel I will have something of interest or value to say on the subject. So maybe until you can put a civil tongue in your head you can just keep your personal questions to yourself.

miabella
07-11-2007, 05:28 PM
i think jenny is questioning the idea that one must have had lots of relationships starting at high school age, or one requires lots of relationships starting then to figure out how to have a healthy one.

but then, i rebel against the modern notion that you have to have lots of sex and date lots of people to find the right one because it doesn't really seem to work for much of anyone. so i always reject the idea that even bad dating/relationship experiences are 'learning exercises'. it is a curious and subtle way of objectifying and using other people.

edit: whee, xpost! but lestat's response pretty well is the sort of thing i just complained about as being not-right.

Jenny
07-11-2007, 05:34 PM
I meant with regard to women (naturally life experience in general is far greater). I've had two girlfriends (6 months and 2.5 years), and sex with one of them. A bad first date with another, and a pitiful attempt at asking out another girl. That's it. Okay now that I've spelled it out, perhaps "19" would have been better.
2.5 years at 16 would be quite a lot.
I was recently talking about this with someone else (I doubt that person will read here, but I will avoid giving any details because I know that person would be hypersensitive if I were sharing it around) who would think that they were in a much worse position than you (I should put "worse" in scare quotes. I'm not judging you). I think what I was confused about with that person as well as you is why you think "inexperience" is such a bad thing. I mean in terms of you as a person - I don't get why guys see that as such a disaster. I mean, watch the 40 Year Old Virgin. That guy got Catherine Keener.

I just read mia's post. And, for what it is worth (and I'm not humouring you here) promiscuous guys are usually bad lovers and are really having sex more to achieve some kind of guy status than because they like it. Like, they'd rather talk about it than have it. Indiscriminate sex really adds nothing to your life or your character. Like that is exactly what I was trying to get at - the idea that somehow sexual experience either makes you better at sex or somehow a better person.

crizgolfer
07-11-2007, 05:35 PM
Jenny...thank you for the lesson in "civlity."

FBR
07-11-2007, 05:35 PM
What is the point of this question? Other than perhaps you have a bad day and will not find happiness until you can belittle someone else.

criz, I think Jenny's question was legitimate and on point. I didn't understand where he was coming from either. And stat treated the question as such by responding in a open, sincere manner. I didn't see a personal attack by her or an indication that stat thought it so.

FBR

crizgolfer
07-11-2007, 05:37 PM
My apologies if I misinterpreted, but she sounded confrontational to me.

lestat1
07-11-2007, 05:40 PM
miabella,
I think if I knew for certain that a relationship would be a bad one going in but I went ahead anyway, then I'd agree with you. If I don't know for certain ahead of time, then my saying "well at least I learned something" is more like an attempt at optimism, or rationalizing away a broken heart - if that makes sense.

The two girlfriends I have had were kind of similar, and I ultimately wasn't happy with either one. Apparently, what I think I want might not be what I actually want. So I'm in no position right now in life to say for certain that a particular person is wrong for me, unless I see in them a lot of the traits of the past two.


crizgolfer,
I appreciate the concern (sincerely), but Jenny is right. I'm alright discussing it (what are anonymous forums for, right?) and I like hearing from people who tend to not pull any punches (or tell it like it is, or however those expressions go). In my opinion, Jenny, and a lot of the ladies who visit us over here on the blue site, are often like that. As is mr_punk and others on both sites.

crizgolfer
07-11-2007, 05:44 PM
I stand corrected. I will step out of this thread.

lestat1
07-11-2007, 05:57 PM
2.5 years at 16 would be quite a lot.
I was recently talking about this with someone else (I doubt that person will read here, but I will avoid giving any details because I know that person would be hypersensitive if I were sharing it around) who would think that they were in a much worse position than you (I should put "worse" in scare quotes. I'm not judging you). I think what I was confused about with that person as well as you is why you think "inexperience" is such a bad thing. I mean in terms of you as a person - I don't get why guys see that as such a disaster. I mean, watch the 40 Year Old Virgin. That guy got Catherine Keener.

I just read mia's post. And, for what it is worth (and I'm not humouring you here) promiscuous guys are usually bad lovers and are really having sex more to achieve some kind of guy status than because they like it. Like, they'd rather talk about it than have it. Indiscriminate sex really adds nothing to your life or your character. Like that is exactly what I was trying to get at - the idea that somehow sexual experience either makes you better at sex or somehow a better person.

Thanks for sharing - I have a few friends who are "worse" off than me. I'm actually not very insecure about my skills as a lover. The past girlfriend was quite satisfied, and frankly, I don't see what the big deal is...spend some time on foreplay, touch don't maul, make sure she's satisfied before you are. Easy. Throw in an open mind and don't freak out over little things (oh the noises and faces and things that happen! lol) and it isn't hard to be, at the very least, "decent."

When I speak of inexperience, I mean more in meeting women, and having that kind of confidence, not sexual experience. I believe confidence (in any endeavor) comes from repeated, positive experiences. I think self-confidence is probably what matters most in meeting people, and many things in life. For me relationships are the easy part and getting the first date or two is the hard part. I've never "gotten a girl's number" or "picked up" a girl. It's in that area where I feel my inexperience has lead to the low confidence and shyness that exacerbates the problem. Even when the ATF calls for SS, I'm nervous. I pace the room, I struggle to find things to say, I end up being excessively polite. :P It's the awkward experience building that happens in high school for most people that I didn't go through (*painfully* shy then, only shy now), and where I feel I'm inexperienced.

So with regards to the ATF, every phone call, a possible lunch date, all of it helps me in that regard. I'm not saying I'm a chaste saint and I'd reject sex if she offered (I mean c'mon), but it's not the "experience" I'm talking about.

xdamage
07-11-2007, 06:09 PM
but then, i rebel against the modern notion that you have to have lots of sex and date lots of people to find the right one because it doesn't really seem to work for much of anyone. so i always reject the idea that even bad dating/relationship experiences are 'learning exercises'. it is a curious and subtle way of objectifying and using other people.


FWIW, I agree, but then I'm an old school romantic, and think people who have a bazillion relationships looking for "the one" are misguided - it's all just stuff to me, it's up to us to give it meaning and make relationships meaningful but anyway...

As for stat, I guess all I can say is I like GenWar's comment (written long ago) that life is hard enough without drama.

Jenny
07-11-2007, 06:13 PM
Ah - I have less to say about that. The first time I got rejected by a guy, all guys lost the whole "it's so hard being a guy because you have to put yourself out there" cred. I was like "Oh please, rejection isn't THAT bad. You don't die of it." Well I guess that's something - really, it's not that bad. You don't die if you try to "pick up a girl" and don't manage. You're really pretty much in the same position as you were before, when you think about it.

Although actually - funnily enough I'm perfectly confident with guys (it's that whole stripper-completely-unwarranted-ego-inflation thing) I'm completely socially retarded in any other situation. This week I had to contact an old boss to give me a reference - I paced, struggled to find things to say and was excessively formal.

xdamage
07-11-2007, 06:27 PM
I got to say man, I honestly don't know if more experience is going to lead to the sense of self assurance you seek. Damn you Jenny, I'm going to have to admit she is on to something, but essentially she is right "You're really pretty much in the same position as you were before, when you think about it."

Rejection is a normal human feeling we have that has two parts, like most emotions, in part it serves us, in part emotions influence others. They are: 1.) Protect ourselves from future hurt so that we don't hurt ourselves again, kind of like pain when you put your hand on a hot stove. 2.) A pitiful aspect that may influence the one's we seek to take pity on us and give us a break.

The paradigm shift you seek will happen when you stop taking your own sense of hurt a hell of a lot less seriously. If I can throw out a suggestion for you then man. As an exercise next time you are out feeling shy... try embracing your intellect and put aside your feelings. Because intellectually she is right. When you go for it and it doesn't work out you really are no worse off then before. Rejection is going to happen, but it's really only the emotions that hurt us... the actual rejection, no worse then losing a buck playing a hand of blackjack.

FBR
07-11-2007, 07:55 PM
Blah. I think lestat should dispense with the personal analysis and just go back to getting off during the bed dances. I mean, he admits to social leprosy but is reasonably acceptant of his own deformities. So why not just take advantage of a stripper who is willing to ignore his social scabs and give him what he wants? Other than the titillation derived from discussion, I don't see the upside in beating it to death.

FBR

lestat1
07-11-2007, 10:43 PM
Blah. I think lestat should dispense with the personal analysis and just go back to getting off during the bed dances. I mean, he admits to social leprosy but is reasonably acceptant of his own deformities. So why not just take advantage of a stripper who is willing to ignore his social scabs and give him what he wants? Other than the titillation derived from discussion, I don't see the upside in beating it to death.

FBR

FBR,
I don't always follow others' advice, but I do always listen. I like to hear what people have to say; it often helps. Also, ITC I'm no social leper, she's not ignoring much in the way of "social scabs." The only ITC social hurdle left to me is that I'm too initimidated to approach a group of dancers sitting together to ask one of them for a dance. I always feel bad for the ones I don't pick. But anyway...yeah, I'm itching for another VIP or bed dance. The next time she calls I'll either have 'the talk' or chicken out.

FBR
07-11-2007, 11:12 PM
stat, it was a tongue in cheek comment. I mean about the leprosy thing. Sorry if it came across as serious. But I do believe (as I have stated previously) your good mileage should be more persuasive than faux intimacy with your dancer friend. Just saying.

FBR

lestat1
07-11-2007, 11:15 PM
stat, it was a tongue in cheek comment. I mean about the leprosy thing. Sorry if it came across as serious. But I do believe (as I have stated previously) your good mileage should be more persuasive than faux intimacy with your dancer friend. Just saying.

FBR

No worries FBR, I took no offense. To reiterate, yeah I could go for a nice VIP right about now instead of this OTC false hope. Or so I say. Wait until she calls again and lays it on thick enough to turn me into a PL. :)

FBR
07-12-2007, 08:35 PM
Miss D is leaving on vacation Sunday. She's going to Myrtle Beach with her parents for a week (yeah I know vacationing with the parentals is dorky but she's very close to them). Anyway, we're getting together Saturday for an RR lotion fun send off. I'm planning to slip her a couple hundred extra over and above the 5 small for the encounter. You know, just to give her some walking around money while she's there. The junkie side of me says that is so lame but dammit I want to do it. So I figured I would post the intended transgression here so ya'll could flagellate me publicly :)

FBR

PS: Before you remind me, I know for 700 she should fuck my brains out but I keep rationalizing the faux sex and thinking someday... :O

lestat1
07-12-2007, 08:48 PM
FBR, all this time I thought you and Miss D had already been having sex.

RR?

Richard_Head
07-12-2007, 08:49 PM
So I figured I would post the intended transgression here so ya'll could flagellate me publicly :) ...but at least you got a party invite ::). Keep the money FBR, I'm sure her mommy and daddy will provide her with plenty of walking around money for the trip.

FBR
07-12-2007, 10:13 PM
No stat for three years it has been faux sex (by Bill Clinton standards) discounting a couple of "accidental" momentary penetrations. Not what I have truly wanted but I'm still hanging with her after three years.

I reported all this years ago but it's still kinda fun to recollect. I met Miss D back in early '04. At the time I was hanging out with the flockettes in general and Miss B specifically. I was honed in on Miss B and after considerable time and effort I did wind up fucking her for money (it was her first paid OTC experience). My timing was bad in that she was just entering a relationship. Remember Boat Dude? Anyways, she cut me off but we were still hanging out at the club albeit with some tension (you know, once you cross a line it's hard to go back).

One afternoon I was at the club with only a couple of the flockettes at my table. Miss B wasn't working. This hot blond with Lady Godiva hair stopped by the table and joined us. I didn't consider it an intrusion since my table was known to be open to dancers other than the handful that were annoying. She introduced herself as Miss D. I recognized her from seeing her on stage but had never tipped her or talked to her. We got to chit chatting back and forth and I really liked her looks and personality.

I don't remember if we did dances that day or if it was during a later visit but we did wind up heading for the LD area. Her dances were excellent. Over time I wound up looking for her when I visited and also over time her dances got even better. Lots of CG, RCG and reach around (hidden by her very long hair). Management either didn't see it (there were cameras) or didn't care.

It was probably a month or two later when while we were doing some dances she casually asked if I would be interested in what she called a "private party" OTC. I wasn't sure exactly what she meant...I knew that some dancers will do off site nude dancing but with no serious sexual contact. Of course I was interested and asked her how much. She said 250 but no sex...just oral :O (thus the Bill Clinton reference) ). I accepted her offer, we set it up and did the deed at a local Holiday Inn a week or so later. I set a precedent by insisting that we have a meal before hand (I guess I wanted it to feel like a real date...I'm old fashioned that way). When we hooked up, I was surprisingly relaxed and not nervous like I was during my first encounter with my old Indy ATF and Miss B. And had there been any confidence issues on my part, they would have been dispelled when she cummed. Miss D isn't technically a "squirter" but she's close.

It was casual and infrequent at first but over time we started seeing each other more regularly, like several Saturdays a month. One Saturday, I offered to give her a massage. I like doing that, thought it might be fun foreplay and she was up for it. I guess I did OK because she suggested that she bring some lotion next time to make it smoother. The next time she did and it really added a lot to her enjoyment. The lotion was a lock at that point.

I think I had a frisky moment some time later. During the course of a massage while she was lying face down, I applied a substantial amount of lotion of her ass and did stat bed dance but in reverse with me being on top instead of her. She came violently within seconds. We were both like, Holy Shit :O She came quicker than when doing oral. I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer sometimes but I recognized that this was good stuff }:D So we continued with the lotion assistance and in fact the lotion humping wound up becoming our main act rather than foreplay. And with practice and thinking about work instead of what was going on I was able to hang on long enough to teach her to be multi-orgasmic. 3 on a "bad" day but 5 when the stars align and I can hang on for dear life

So that is where we are today. And as I read over what I have written, it's really not that bad. I have my happy ending (only one...I'm old) and she has several :P But dammit, I so want to fuck her...at least once. I mean, it's the principle of the thing ;)

FBR

FBR
07-12-2007, 10:27 PM
...but at least you got a party invite ::). Keep the money FBR, I'm sure her mommy and daddy will provide her with plenty of walking around money for the trip.

RH, you are supposed to be supportive, not sarcastic. I mean, we are a "band of brothers" here, right? ;)

FBR

Richard_Head
07-14-2007, 02:38 PM
RH, you are supposed to be supportive, not sarcastic. I mean, we are a "band of brothers" here, right? ;) ...but you asked for flagellation :-\.

Katrine
07-14-2007, 03:14 PM
I'd be so bored of 3 years of massage and 69 with no actual fucking. But then again, that's my taste. If you are enjoying it enough to keep paying for it, go on with your bad self. But it seems like you have sort-of a two wife thing going on?

Casual Observer
07-14-2007, 03:31 PM
RH, you are supposed to be supportive, not sarcastic. I mean, we are a "band of brothers" here, right?

I'm with Kat; I just don't get your methodology either. Not that I'd begrudge you your OTC action by any means, but I just don't get the lack of variety and stunted sexual options.

FBR
07-14-2007, 03:59 PM
...but you asked for flagellation :-\.

RH, the winky at the end of my post was tacit acceptance of same.

Carry on, sir :)

FBR

Richard_Head
07-14-2007, 04:12 PM
RH, the winky at the end of my post was tacit acceptance of same.

Carry on, sir :)

FBRCome on now FBR, you know it's just a little ball busting amongst friends don't you?

FBR
07-14-2007, 04:37 PM
I'd be so bored of 3 years of massage and 69 with no actual fucking. But then again, that's my taste. If you are enjoying it enough to keep paying for it, go on with your bad self. But it seems like you have sort-of a two wife thing going on?


I'm with Kat; I just don't get your methodology either. Not that I'd begrudge you your OTC action by any means, but I just don't get the lack of variety and stunted sexual options.

It is still fun sexually (OK..faux sexually). And I like her as a person which does add a component that I enjoy. But in spite of me thinking sometimes that I see a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, in my heart of heart I know that full fledged fucking is a non starter, party invitations or no.

So I could just carry on. Or push harder for fucking. Or go see escorts from time to time. With an escort it is a guaranteed thing and they are pretty good actresses.

FBR

FBR
07-14-2007, 05:22 PM
Come on now FBR, you know it's just a little ball busting amongst friends don't you?

Of course :)

FBR

Golden_Rule
07-14-2007, 07:08 PM
I have some limited experience dating dancers, in my younger days, in actual BF/GF situations, have more than a few dancer gal pals I hang around with, and see any number of dancers outside of their respective clubs for, ummm, well... compensated socializing [they wouldn't call it paid sexual encounters, so I won't].

From my observations though all that is probably the last thing an experienced S-C Junkie would probably want to discuss within this walls. For it is my observation that nothing gets some fellows in trouble faster than mentioning they have friends who are strippers, or see strippers for casual sexual encounters, paid or otherwise, outside of the club.

If its not the other Junkies telling the guy he is full of crap it some of the dancers saying he is full of it because no self respecting dancer sees customers outside the club, ESPECIALLY IF ACTUAL SEX IS INVOLVED, "YUCK!", calls of cooties, and all that. :)

I have any number of incidents to share. Some might even be interesting. Still...

{checking to see if I have decent cover to duck if anyone starts shooting}

Jenny
07-14-2007, 08:23 PM
From my observations though all that is probably the last thing an experienced S-C Junkie would probably want to discuss within this walls. For it is my observation that nothing gets some fellows in trouble faster than mentioning they have friends who are strippers, or see strippers for casual sexual encounters, paid or otherwise, outside of the club.

If its not the other Junkies telling the guy he is full of crap it some of the dancers saying he is full of it because no self respecting dancer sees customers outside the club, ESPECIALLY IF ACTUAL SEX IS INVOLVED, "YUCK!", calls of cooties, and all that. :)

I have any number of incidents to share. Some might even be interesting. Still...


{checking to see if I have decent cover to duck if anyone starts shooting}Within the metaphorical virtual walls of stripclubjunkie.com or a strip club? In here - what do you think this thread is for? So guys can sit around talking about their sex lives with complete strangers because bragging to your buddies is part of the point of having it Knock yourself out. Everyone will be fascinated. Personally I think there is something gross and disrespectful about it, but the boys don't really feel they've done it until they've bragged about it.

In a stripclub - I'd say it's more that nobody cares. I mean - I'm a stripper. I know perfectly well that being friends with me, and sleeping with me is not a particular feat - it doesn't make you particularly deserving as a person or improve your character or show that you are anything particularly incredible. When guys tell me that they dated a stripper or know a stripper or whatever it is usually a precursor for "and since I know a stripper somewhere you should give me special treatment" (and like I said - I know perfectly well it doesn't make you particularly deserving; you get nothing from me because you once dated a stripper except the presumption that you know I expect to sell you a dance).

Golden_Rule
07-15-2007, 07:26 AM
Within the metaphorical virtual walls of stripclubjunkie.com or a strip club? In here - what do you think this thread is for? So guys can sit around talking about their sex lives with complete strangers because bragging to your buddies is part of the point of having it Knock yourself out. Everyone will be fascinated. Personally I think there is something gross and disrespectful about it, but the boys don't really feel they've done it until they've bragged about it.

Do you think that is truly all there is to it?

If you are right that is pretty damn sad.

I am being absolutely forth-coming when I tell you that the only reason I would want to talk about such things is to exchange information. Play give a little, take a little in the learning arena. If not that than what is the point? Simply bragging in a strip-club forum is mental masturbation. While there is nothing wrong with jerking off it really doesn't get you very far at the end of the day and can be, in excess, a horrible time waster.

I thought it was more about finding out how to have more fun. How to extract that fun while causing the least amount of pain. To the point of zero pain if possible. How to be fair with people and have them be fair with you. Stuff like that. That's the reason to exchange and dissect these stories. To see where others went right, and wrong, and then apply it.

We are going to do these things anyway, folks like you and me. Why not do them as best we can and have some fun doing it. There is an art to it, like anything else, and art takes a little prep work and a desire to learn how to use the brush, paints, clay and the like. Yes? To me that is what boards like this are good for. This is art class. We are all teachers. We are all students.



In a strip-club - I'd say it's more that nobody cares. I mean - I'm a stripper. I know perfectly well that being friends with me, and sleeping with me is not a particular feat - it doesn't make you particularly deserving as a person or improve your character or show that you are anything particularly incredible.

I understand and sort of agree, except that to say that people are people. If you are a cool person than getting to know you, sleep with you [I presume you mean in a relationship], etc, may not be a feat but it might improve one's character. People have a way of sort of rubbing off on each other, for better or worse. At the very least it might mean that the guy is a decent enough fellow to attract the attention of a decent person in return.


When guys tell me that they dated a stripper or know a stripper or whatever it is usually a precursor for "and since I know a stripper somewhere you should give me special treatment" (and like I said - I know perfectly well it doesn't make you particularly deserving; you get nothing from me because you once dated a stripper except the presumption that you know I expect to sell you a dance).

I would suppose it can mean that, but it is very sad when it does. Doesn't say much for the guy. Might not say much for the gal who continues to place herself in the way of it either. Two sides to ever coin, and all that. Since you don't put up for that crap I will assume that doesn't apply to you.

In my world folks are folks. You deal with other human beings as people first and than build out from there. You accept nothing less in return.

lestat1
07-15-2007, 09:23 AM
So guys can sit around talking about their sex lives with complete strangers because bragging to your buddies is part of the point of having it Knock yourself out. Everyone will be fascinated. Personally I think there is something gross and disrespectful about it, but the boys don't really feel they've done it until they've bragged about it.

Now how come when women talk about sex in excruciatingly gross detail with each other, it's "sharing," but when men do (in usually less detail) it's "bragging?"

Jenny
07-15-2007, 09:30 AM
Good question - maybe just because that tends to be how it is divided? Seriously - in some other thread here you have guys talking about how it is better than sex to be seen with the most desired (that is most commodified) girl in the room. You can't deny that women and sex has something to do with how you guy apportion status among yourselves.

Golden Rule - I'm sorry I impugned your educational mission on how to nail strippers. I should have realized that "bragging" would be beneath you.

xdamage
07-15-2007, 09:46 AM
Now how come when women talk about sex in excruciatingly gross detail with each other, it's "sharing," but when men do (in usually less detail) it's "bragging?"

Simple. If you would don your "women are good, men are bad" glasses you'd see the difference too.

crizgolfer
07-15-2007, 09:48 AM
I would put mine on, but I think Jenny swiped them from me...;)

Jenny
07-15-2007, 10:25 AM
I would put mine on, but I think Jenny swiped them from me...;)Well, you know. Strippers do like to steal shit. I prefer wallets, but I'll take what I can get.

crizgolfer
07-15-2007, 10:33 AM
Well, you know. Strippers do like to steal shit. I prefer wallets, but I'll take what I can get.


...Checking for wallet....

Jenny
07-15-2007, 10:35 AM
...Checking for wallet....Oh, that's gone. Hence all the distraction.

xdamage
07-15-2007, 11:13 AM
/shrug

I think people tend to what they do because they get something out of it, so whether it bolsters their sense of self-esteem by way of "bonding", or "ego boosting", it's all six of one half a dozen of the other to me. The fact is they both do it, and they both get some emotional sense of pleasure out of it. Let's not forget too, these boards are filled with posts from women who like to talk about how they get more money out of men, literally brag about it. There are differences between the sexes for sure, but in the big picture they are a lot more alike then dissimilar.

More interesting though is what does J get out of posting here? Let's see... entirely predictable...

"Personally I think there is something gross and disrespectful about it, but the boys don't really feel they've done it until they've bragged about it."

In other words, her reason for posting this was to tell us we are gross for having these discussions, and to take another opportunity to call us "boys" vs say men (i.e., to be disrespectful and to get her insults in). The rest of it is just a bunch of noise to dance around the basic facts that she comes in here to get rocks off by insulting us. But hey, if everyone is cool with it and/or unable to see it but me, that's cool. Sometimes when you are in the minority you are wrong. Sometimes you're right. I seem to be in the minority in seeing this but it seems entirely clear to me that this was just another men suck post.

mr_punk
07-15-2007, 11:19 AM
PS: Before you remind me, I know for 700 she should fuck my brains out but I keep rationalizing the faux sex and thinking someday...for $700 you should not only pound, pillage and plunder every orifice in her body at least three times (including ATM). she should also defibrillate your heart afterwards, along with waxing, buffing and rotating the tires of your car, cleaning your golf clubs. well, you get the point...