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mr_punk
07-15-2007, 11:23 AM
Everyone will be fascinated. Personally I think there is something gross and disrespectful about it, but the boys don't really feel they've done it until they've bragged about it.actually, there's nothing fascinating about what happens (OTC or ITC) in a whorehouse thinly disguised as a sc. still, i find nothing gross and disrespectful about a customer describing a sex worker fulfilling a function either. in fact, i find it no more gross and disrespectful than a stripper describing how she strings along a customer. neither offends my sensibilities in the least. we ain't talking about a game of tiddlywinks, red.
Seriously - in some other thread here you have guys talking about how it is better than sex to be seen with the most desired (that is most commodified) girl in the room. You can't deny that women and sex has something to do with how you guy apportion status among yourselves.guys? IIRC, i think Shot was the only one who made the assertion that showing off arm candy is better than having sex with said hot piece of ass.
Jenny
07-15-2007, 11:34 AM
awe ain't talking about a game of tiddlywinks, red.
This isn't tiddlywinksjunkies.com? What the hell am I doing here?
guys? IIRC, i think Shot was the only one who made the assertion that showing off arm candy is better than having sex with said hot piece of ass.
I don't want to point fingers. But no he isn't.
mr_punk
07-15-2007, 11:52 AM
The rest of it is just a bunch of noise to dance around the basic facts that she comes in here to get rocks off by insulting us. But hey, if everyone is cool with it and/or unable to see it but me, that's cool. Sometimes when you are in the minority you are wrong. Sometimes you're right. I seem to be in the minority in seeing this but it seems entirely clear to me that this was just another men suck post.well, yeah. however, she never tried to hide or fool anyone into thinking she wasn't a radical feminist. i mean, if you were a feminist/stripper and you see men talking about strippers like the commodified piece of asses that they are, instead of "empowered" women sticking to the patriarchial idea of a woman's sexuality. wouldn't you say something?
I don't want to point fingers. But no he isn't.oh, please point.
Golden_Rule
07-15-2007, 04:30 PM
Golden Rule - I'm sorry I impugned your educational mission on how to nail strippers. I should have realized that "bragging" would be beneath you.
If that is what you got from what I said, fine.
What I actually said though was that many of us, customers and dancers, are going to do what we do regardless of whether we do it like we have a clue or like elephants in a china shop. So why not the former if we have a choice.
If we choose the "have a clue" method that means having to also choose making the effort to figure out how to do that.
So, no, it wasn't about how to "nail strippers". It was about how both dancers and customers can do their symbiotic dance without causing each other harm, having whatever mutual exchange they want [money, power, sex, whatever], and come out the other side still feeling good about each other and themselves.
BTW, very clever response. I mean that. I do need to point out though that smug doesn't equal smart. Though a lot of people try to pass off one for the other. :) Since I've read enough of you to realize that you are no dummy I will presume you weren't trying to pass that one off.
Peace.
From my observations though all that is probably the last thing an experienced S-C Junkie would probably want to discuss within this walls. For it is my observation that nothing gets some fellows in trouble faster than mentioning they have friends who are strippers, or see strippers for casual sexual encounters, paid or otherwise, outside of the club.
{checking to see if I have decent cover to duck if anyone starts shooting}
bem401
07-15-2007, 05:40 PM
Why so much hostility here and on other threads? I would think the ideal purpose for this site would be to help people, male and female alike, navigate the clubs better. I am reluctant at times to post for fear that one side or the other will attack me or dismiss my comments as naive or as bullshit. Sometimes it seems nearly impossible to support one side without antagonizing the other.
lestat1
07-15-2007, 07:12 PM
Why so much hostility here and on other threads? I would think the ideal purpose for this site would be to help people, male and female alike, navigate the clubs better. I am reluctant at times to post for fear that one side or the other will attack me or dismiss my comments as naive or as bullshit. Sometimes it seems nearly impossible to support one side without antagonizing the other.
Well said, bem401. As best as I can tell, it goes something like this:
This is an industry without much support from the general public. Consequently, strip club managers can get away with not treating their employees or customers well, and dancers and customers alike have little recourse when a transaction goes poorly and someone is ripped off or flat out cheated. Many customers do not treat dancers well, and in turn many dancers do not treat customers very well. Over time, I think hostility brews on each side. Dance for enough customers, and you encounter plenty of bad experiences. Get dances from enough dancers, and you encounter plenty of bad experiences as well. It's not unlike dating, where with enough bad relationships a person can grow bitter.
I truly came here for information (plus it's just plain cool and beats the heck out of yet another gamer forum). It has made me a better, wiser customer, but many questions have remained unanswered. I post my experiences (perhaps too honestly) and hope that some sharing goes on where I'll learn from others.
Admittedly the forums have changed quite a bit from their early days. There used to be less hostility, but see first paragraph about how things evolve over time.
xdamage
07-15-2007, 07:56 PM
I would think the ideal purpose for this site would be to help people, male and female alike, navigate the clubs better.
I don't think the blue site is necessarily here to "help", but it can at least be here for entertainment purposes among like minded customers. To whatever degree there is any help, it's in learning from other customers how to maximize your value.
Why the hostility? Well, I mean in theory this is the OTC "Holy Grail" thread. It's one of the longest threads in terms of post count, and it's kind of a duh what this thread is about.
Imagine if you will then that some of us monitored the pink side, say the Hustle Hut threads, and regularly posted something to the effect it is gross or sneaky or disrespectful, or whatever in response to a thread where the dancers are bragging about stringing customers along for more money. Better yet, imagine if we went out of their way to refer to them as "girls", intended to imply they have the brains and maturity of kids versus say referring to them as women. It's clear that there would be some hostility, yet ... it doesn't happen.
It doesn't happen because they dancers wouldn't put up with it. They won't allow it. When/if it does happen, there is a big emotional stink and they'd ban anyone who behaved that way.
OTOH on the blue side there are a few (very few fortunately) dancers who come over here to lob grenades, who have issues with the male half of the species, and feel like this is free-for all to treat the guys like crap.
Maybe some guys put up with that because hey, PLs and losers will do so forever (as long as the girl is hot) and maybe they are use to that. Or maybe some guys put up with it because they are twice the age of the dancers and have learned some self-restraint and how to be polite in the face of ass-like behavior.
But my attitude is that politeness and self-restraint can go too far sometimes. We never do assholes a favor (no matter how attractive they are or how eloquently they insult others) by fearing to speak up and say wrong is wrong. I'm not saying ban them. It's a free country and I believe in freedom of speech. But I am saying have the balls to know when enough is enough and speak up. It's they only way the asses learn. Hey besides, eventually even young dancers grow up, genes kick in, looks fade, and eventually people are going to treat them like asses if they are asses - it's better/easier to learn it while they are young.
Also I'm a man (not a boy) and very proud and happy I was born male; no shame, I wasn't there in history past (not that the young feminist radicals were either), and I'm not going to take responsibility for the mistakes of history past. Nor do I have any respect for feminists that are more focused on the evils of men then they are on their own bad behavior and lack of responsibility. To me they are just kids that have a lot of emotional and mental growing up to do still.
Why the hostility... I don't really see that much. Between the customers the conversation is generally very good. Also among many of the dancers who can handle the honesty. The only hostility I see and have ever seen is a few dancers who wander over here to work out their emotional problems with men.
Jenny
07-15-2007, 08:28 PM
So, no, it wasn't about how to "nail strippers". It was about how both dancers and customers can do their symbiotic dance without causing each other harm, having whatever mutual exchange they want [money, power, sex, whatever], and come out the other side still feeling good about each other and themselves.
Honestly; don't you think you are making a little much of this? I mean I make mutual exchange with guys all the time, very rarely doing anything unconscionable. It's not really that hard. What makes it "hard" is... well, what makes it hard. It is trying to get someone to do something that they don't want to do. That is, in a nutshell, what this thread is all about. Getting a woman to do something she doesn't want to do. Putting in time, effort, usually some degree of deceit and frequently cultivating financial dependence in order to force her hand, or at least make it feel forced. That's why these guys like paying dancers for sex more than prostitutes. With prostitutes, you know in advance that they want to do it. Dancers... they frequently don't. Hence the effort. You have to convince them. There's a conquest there. And for every story in which a dancer is all "oh, by the way, OTC is $x there is another one in which the dancer has come to rely on the money and then it is more or less withdrawn unless she agrees. You'll forgive me if I look at this exchange with a little less romanticism than you, I'm sure. You know - since you're all interested in how people work and all.
BTW, very clever response. I mean that. I do need to point out though that smug doesn't equal smart. Though a lot of people try to pass off one for the other. :) Since I've read enough of you to realize that you are no dummy I will presume you weren't trying to pass that one off.
Peace.
Thank you for your approval. I've been waiting all my life for it. Now that I have a daddy-figure who will tell me I'm smart I can finally give up dancing and go be a doctor. Or you know - at least marry one. Oh wait - maybe you didn't mean that to be as condescending as it sounded. But maybe that's worse - that you didn't mean it and you just have that inveterate sense of your own superiority that I hate in some varieties of customers. Or maybe you're just a harmless new guy. Or maybe it was like a complicated form of irony since you were just talking about smugness and all. And I do love irony. Shucks. Now I just don't know how to react. Now I'm all off balance and confused. You really have me on my toes.
Casual Observer
07-16-2007, 04:14 AM
In my experience, not all that limited, men more often discuss their sexual exploits with each other because sex is interesting and they want to talk about their exploits as a reflection of their accomplishments. Women discuss their sexual exploits among each other because sex is interesting and they're doing interpersonal bonding.
Sounds pretty plausible.
In other words, her reason for posting this was to tell us we are gross for having these discussions, and to take another opportunity to call us "boys" vs say men (i.e., to be disrespectful and to get her insults in). The rest of it is just a bunch of noise to dance around the basic facts that she comes in here to get rocks off by insulting us. But hey, if everyone is cool with it and/or unable to see it but me, that's cool. Sometimes when you are in the minority you are wrong. Sometimes you're right. I seem to be in the minority in seeing this but it seems entirely clear to me that this was just another men suck post.
Hey, cut Jenny some slack. It's a lot of work hating the mean, evil, all-encompassing conspiracy of The Patriarchy all day long. Jenny reminds me of a Cold Warrior, whose lifelong adversary is not really there anymore, but can't seem to give up the fight.
Why so much hostility here and on other threads? I would think the ideal purpose for this site would be to help people, male and female alike, navigate the clubs better. I am reluctant at times to post for fear that one side or the other will attack me or dismiss my comments as naive or as bullshit. Sometimes it seems nearly impossible to support one side without antagonizing the other.
Welcome to Blue. No one knocks naive posters, so long as they're aware that they're naive. There's just thicker skins down here and better conversations with more depth, more analysis (too much, frequently) and less fluff and superfluous bullshit.
Jenny
07-16-2007, 05:50 AM
Hey, cut Jenny some slack. It's a lot of work hating the mean, evil, all-encompassing conspiracy of The Patriarchy all day long. Jenny reminds me of a Cold Warrior, whose lifelong adversary is not really there anymore, but can't seem to give up the fight.CO, you know I don't normally bother responding to you, because, well... what's the point? but you may have noticed that in this conversation I didn't mention feminism, women or even men, until someone specifically asked a male/female question (even then I didn't bring up feminism). I talked about the habits of stripclubjunkies. That's all. You guys are obsessed with men v. women and feel the need to project. Like if you are experiencing personal resentment or feel that I am attacking you or I hurt your feelings you may report the post or deal with it directly; but it seems silly to make a thread about OTC encounters about my social politics just because you feel annoyed. Or it seems silly to me. I mean geez. It'd be nice to get through one thread without you guys bringing up feminism. Like, I think it's important too, but it is not ALWAYS the topic.
oh, please point.
Okay, what the hell. How about this:
There's something about being with the hottest chick in the room that's better than money or sex, and I never get tired of it.
xdamage
07-16-2007, 06:47 AM
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What makes it "hard" is... well, what makes it hard. It is trying to get someone to do something that they don't want to do. That is, in a nutshell, what this thread is all about. Getting a woman to do something she doesn't want to do. Putting in time, effort, usually some degree of deceit and frequently cultivating financial dependence in order to force her hand, or at least make it feel forced.
This is just more one-sided, poor-me, I'm a victim mentality (i.e., you want to see yourself as "good" and the rest of the world as "bad" vs having to face your own part in what is a two way transaction).
Strippers will gladly stringing some pathetic loser along with "deceit" and cultivate a whole house of cards of BS as long as you are benefitting with what you want - cash. In other words, getting a sucker to spend money he doesn't really want to spend because it benefits you. And as a group, they will gladly brag about.
Whine, cry, poor me. You choose this line of work, yet take no responsibility for how it contributes to society, or the effect (some negative) that it has on others because your just like the guys that you despise. You want what you want, and have constructed a set of rationalizations and BS to hide the negatives from yourself, and see yourself in a positive light only.
Of course women don't brag about having sex. Apparently you missed the threads where the girls claim that they have guys all night long hitting on them. There is really nothing to brag about when it happens. Worse, would be one of those girls who guys never hit on, but what girl wants to say "hey look at me, some guy finally hit on me" - you'd all just laugh at her for being so ugly that the horny guys don't hit on her. People don't brag about things that are common, but that's not because women are morally superior to the guys.
You are equal to the guys in a lot of ways (equality is what you all want), like you brag when you accomplish something uncommon, and you'll gladly deceive others and cultivate a relationship based on deceit if it helps you get what you want (i.e., cash). You have no moral or high ground, just an inability to see the beam in your own eye.
So can't the OTC thread just go back to being the OTC thread, and maybe like if you find it offensive, don't read it?
mr_punk
07-16-2007, 08:20 AM
Why so much hostility here and on other threads? I would think the ideal purpose for this site would be to help people, male and female alike, navigate the clubs better.not necessarily. the purpose of most MB is the exchange of opinionated ideals. anything more is icing on the cake.
Admittedly the forums have changed quite a bit from their early days. There used to be less hostility, but see first paragraph about how things evolve over time.that's an understatement. it used to be downright saccharine down here and if a stripper showed up to teach us the error of our ways. sheesh, i'm talking diabetic coma here. for better or worse, thankfully most of that candy cane and gum drops drek is restricted to CC.
That is, in a nutshell, what this thread is all about. Getting a woman to do something she doesn't want to do. Putting in time, effort, usually some degree of deceit and frequently cultivating financial dependence in order to force her hand, or at least make it feel forced.LOL..it sounds like you're still pissed over that MW thing? i bet you keep an enemies list like Nixon Administration.
Okay, what the hell. How about this:ROTFLMAO...it's just as i thought. Great Caesar's ghost! obviously, you're no Perry White. FYI, you might want to include the rest of the post (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1106209&postcount=81) including the part where he said he really disagrees, etc. but hey, i understand. you're in Molotov cocktail tossing mode and you got scores to settle, Dick.
Jenny
07-16-2007, 08:31 AM
i bet you keep an enemies list like Nixon Administration.
Well... yah... doesn't everyone do that?
ROTFLMAO...it's just as i thought. Great Caesar's ghost! obviously, you're no Perry White. FYI, you might want to include the rest of the post (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1106209&postcount=81) including the part where he said he really disagrees, etc. but hey, i understand. you're in Molotov cocktail tossing mode and you got scores to settle, Dick.
Wrong post. I quoted the entirety of this one. (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1131345&postcount=21) Note the specific comment that it is, in fact, better than sex. Maybe he changed his mind? I'm not really laughing as hard you were, though. I kind of expect you guys to get things wrong. It's part of that whole female superiority thing.
mr_punk
07-16-2007, 09:23 AM
Well... yah... doesn't everyone do that?well, i do. in fact, the entire population Canada is on my list and you're at the very top. why, once someone makes my list. they never come off. well, unless something catastrophic happens like an asteroid destroying on Toronto.
Wrong post. I quoted the entirety of this one. Note the specific comment that it is, in fact, better than sex. Maybe he changed his mind? I'm not really laughing as hard you were, though. I kind of expect you guys to get things wrong. It's part of that whole female superiority thing.LOL..no matter because the point hasn't changed, red. where are these all these allegded guys in the thread you reffered to in your post (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1141467&postcount=629)? obviously, CO (who ironically happens to be on your enemies list) is one. who are the others? FBR? well, i didn't get the impression from his post that he likes showing off arm candy more than sex. in fact, i get the impression he really, really, really wants to stick it in Ms.D's pussy (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1139403&postcount=616). but hey, either FBR privately told you otherwise or your fellow mod is on your enemies list as well. frankly, i think it's the latter because when you're in one of your blind rages against the patriarchy. friend or foe, a guy better wear a effing cup.
Jenny
07-16-2007, 09:42 AM
well, i do. in fact, the entire population Canada is on my list and you're at the very top. why, once someone makes my list. they never come off. well, unless something catastrophic happens like an asteroid destroying on Toronto.
Am I at the top of your CANADIAN list? Or just, like, the whole list?
LOL..no matter because the point hasn't changed, red.
Oh, of course. I should have known. You were wrong, so it was besides the point. Talking to you is like talking to a woman.
where are these all these allegded guys in the thread you reffered to in your post (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1141467&postcount=629)?
Well let's see. I said "in some other thread here you have guys talking about how it is better than sex to be seen with the most desired (that is most commodified) girl in the room."
So we have Sh0t, CO, another person directly beneath him who wholeheartedly agrees. We even have FBR (love ya, dude, but you know it's true) who, as you eloquently say "wants to stick it in her pussy" but is obviously still hyper aware of her as a status symbol ("to be honest she would be sort of a trophy girl if you know what I mean.") So out of curiosity, how many do I need before it constitutes "guys"? Jay, while couching it in a more agreeable tone said something pretty similar - "sex is interesting to all people; guys are showing off some kind of accomplishment and girls are doing interpersonal bonding" - while he didn't say that he did it himself, people seemed to agree - does that count? So there you go. I have presented you with "guys". Honestly - I feel I'm on pretty firm ground here.
obviously, CO (who ironically happens to be on your enemies list) is one.
Well, a) I don't see how that is ironic. b) not every male tool on a message board makes the list, dude. How much time do you think I have to be wreaking vengeance on the patriarchy? I do have outside interests, you know.
who are the others? FBR? but hey, either FBR privately told you otherwise or your fellow mod is on your enemies list as well.
Oh, now you're just silly. The fact that I am crazy about FBR doesn't make me blind or illiterate. Oh gosh - I suppose I'm starting to far down for you. Okay so - some women can, in fact, both like men AND be able to read. I know that's a difficult premise for you to just accept, but recent studies have shown this is a biological fact. Seriously. You can google it. So the fact that I like FBR doesn't mean I'm incapable of reading what he writes. I know. There are exciting times we live in.
frankly, i think it's the latter because when you're in one of your blind rages against the patriarchy. friend or foe, a guy better wear a effing cup.Oh, dude - that's just, like, ALL the time. My guy friends (because I do have guy friends as long as they are gay or promise to surgically remove their testicles at some later date) wear, like, full body padding when they meet me for lunch. People do stare, but you know - safety first.
xdamage
07-16-2007, 10:04 AM
frankly, i think it's the latter because when you're in one of your blind rages against the patriarchy. friend or foe, a guy better wear a effing cup.
Yea, well and then lets not forget how irrelevant it is anyway. It's not like women never chase guys or have sex with them for status by association. Any of wealth, fame, musician (no matter how poor or strung out), I could go on, attract women like moths to a flame. So like really, who cares if a guy plays a game for status, or sex. I sure don't care, at least no more then I care that women play games for status or money.
This is all just more BS that basically boils down to "women do things for good noble reasons" while men do them for "bad self serving reasons" This is what happens when have young women who are use to having guys tell them anything they want to hear because they are hot, guys who cower like broken dogs in the face of controversy with a hot women, women who really haven't grown up and still like think that women are made of sugar and spice and everything nice. It's total and utter crap, and basically why many women still aren't being treated entirely as equals. Many of them still don't take responsibility for their actions or motivations like equals. They want to live in a world of selective sugar coated reality - the good parts they take credit for, the bad is someone else's fault.
xdamage
07-16-2007, 03:50 PM
Getting back to the topic at hand then...
So FBR, inquiring minds want to know. Did you play Santa and give her the 2 small, or put into her trust fund for your next encounter?
No RR lotion fun Saturday after all. We did hook up at Smokey Bones as planned and had a bite to eat. Among other things, she spent a lot of time talking about an article she was working on that had to be completed before she left for vacation. Something about being published in an anthology which is a huge deal when you are a Ph.D candidate. Of course, I didn't get the hint being insensitive and already leaking pre-ejaculatory fluid in anticipation. Just as I was paying the food bill she asked if we could postpone the RR until she got back, pleading time pressures. "We can get together during the week if you want" she said. "We don't have to wait until next Saturday".
There was a pause while the big head tried to gain some control. I was knocked back a bit I admit. I had already been thinking about what lotion artistry I was going to express on her back. I doubt my facial expressions and body language matched my words when I said "Oh, OK, that's fine. I didn't know" I replied. I mean, what else could I have said...fuck your Ph.D, I have a boner? Well, I guess I could have said that if I was unemployed and musically talented ;)
"I know it's not OK with you. But this is the rest of my life". She said it with a smile which while not her usual beamer was still a goodly distance north of Mona Lisa (it was actually cute, god help me for thinking that). What the hell. "We're fine, hon. Work hard on that article this afternoon and have a great vacation". She did beam a bit more brightly after that so I guess I was sufficiently douche baggy enough to make her think that I was OK. She dashed off to the ladies to apply her lip gloss and do whatever they do. I slipped $100 in her purse (answering your question X) instead of the two mentioned here. At the time and in my mind it was a gesture of displeasure. That will show her, dammit. Later, after the little head finally crawled into his hidy hole, it occurred to me that since she wasn't expecting anything, my point might have been...pointless.
We parted company with a hug. I tried to make it perfunctory and cool but her boobs still felt good against my chest so I probably reacted a bit more friendly than intended. They are all natural zoomers, by the way. I spent the rest of the day pouting (I bet I even made some grumpy posts on SW that night) but my erection has since subsided and I'm OK now. I'll just plug along until next week. Probably. But one of Jenny's posts that I read tonight got me to thinking. She mentioned custys deliberately creating situations where strippers are dependent upon them where they feel compelled to respond, not how they really feel, but in a way that secures their dependencies. I mean, by rights, if I got the least bit pissy Miss D should have dropped the hammer down. After all, the dancer owns the prize. But instead, she did the best she could to insure that I didn't go away mad and would be here when she got back. I'm starting to feel like a manipulator now and not too proud of myself. Thanks, Jenny.
FBR
Jenny
07-16-2007, 05:05 PM
I mean, by rights, if I got the least bit pissy Miss D should have dropped the hammer down. After all, the dancer owns the prize. But instead, she did the best she could to insure that I didn't go away mad and would be here when she got back. I'm starting to feel like a manipulator now and not too proud of myself. Thanks, Jenny.
Sorry. But...
I slipped $100 in her purse (answering your question X) instead of the two mentioned here. At the time and in my mind it was a gesture of displeasure. That will show her, dammit. Later, after the little head finally crawled into his hidy hole, it occurred to me that since she wasn't expecting anything, my point might have been...pointless.
If it makes you feel better, far from feeling trepidation at your displeasure she is probably thinking "He is so sweet." That's actually a little hilarious.
Sorry. But...
If it makes you feel better, far from feeling trepidation at your displeasure she is probably thinking "He is so sweet." That's actually a little hilarious.
Jenny, you have been way too serious tonight. Being a great guy and a fellow mod, I wanted to give you a chuckle. I mean, I would have rather given you a back rub but I still don't have a passport.
FBR
Jenny
07-16-2007, 05:17 PM
That worked pretty well - and since I don't really do back rubs (something about people kneading at me - I just hate it) probably tales of young women getting money for nothing are just as good.
That worked pretty well - and since I don't really do back rubs (something about people kneading at me - I just hate it) probably tales of young women getting money for nothing are just as good.
Well, she did give me 45 minutes so by rights she deserved compensation. So now, I feel like shit again because the dancer rate is way more than $100 for 45 minutes.
You are determined to ruin my night, aren't you? And in such a subtle way.
FBR
Jenny
07-16-2007, 05:45 PM
Well, she did give me 45 minutes so by rights she deserved compensation. So now, I feel like shit again because the dancer rate is way more than $100 for 45 minutes.
You are determined to ruin my night, aren't you? And in such a subtle way.
FBRWell, me, I'm having a delightful night. And hey - you can always mail it to her.
Well, me, I'm having a delightful night. And hey - you can always mail it to her.
Did I add to your delight? I sure hope so. Means a lot to me.
Mailing the money would be anti-climatic. She wouldn't get until she gets home. I probably should just Western Union that way she can share with whatever towel boys she meets down there.
FBR
crizgolfer
07-16-2007, 06:07 PM
FBR and Jenny...are you two married, or what? ::)
FBR and Jenny...are you two married, or what? ::)
No. In fact, she dislikes me intensely. She told me that once in PM which really hurt my feelings. I mean, I don't know why she would be offended that I tried to cyber her. That's what the internet is for, right?
She only says she likes me when talking in Blue (never Pink) in order to irritate you guys and try to make you think there is a conspiracy. She's mean that way.
FBR
crizgolfer
07-16-2007, 06:59 PM
She only says she likes me when talking in Blue (never Pink) in order to irritate you guys and try to make you think there is a conspiracy. She's mean that way.
FBR
I am impressed. She is good. I think I am in love....;D
xdamage
07-16-2007, 07:00 PM
She mentioned custys deliberately creating situations where strippers are dependent upon them where they feel compelled to respond, not how they really feel, but in a way that secures their dependencies. .... I'm starting to feel like a manipulator now and not too proud of myself. Thanks, Jenny.
FBR
Well, for whatever it's worth FBR, here is an alternative POV...
From my POV dancers bring this reality on themselves. See I'm quite honest with my customers, and while our sales people have been known to promise features before they are ready, we never string customers along with the intent of making them believe they are going to get something that we have no intent of providing. We are fundamentally honest, and provide our customers with the features they request if we indicate we will. Analogously speaking, none of our customers are thinking they are going to get laid while we really have no intent of doing so and are just stringing them along as long as we can. Also strangely, we respect them as human beings.
See if dancers are straight up, then I have sympathy, but if they choose to engage in the PL game of stringing a customer along, well knowing that they are feeding into a delusion such as suggesting that they really like the customer, or want to fuck him, or are hot for him, etc., my attitude is they've chosen to dance with the devil (metaphorically speaking) to earn their daily bread, and so it's going to happen that sometimes customers are going to outplay them. In other words it goes with the territory of faking it and playing on human emotions to increase one's income, sometimes the manipulator gets manipulated, and the manipulator doesn't get any sympathy from me because he/she is sometimes manipulated by their marks.
Now you are paying Miss D fairly and then some. And you treat her well as far as I've been able to tell from your messages here (well in terms of you compensate her fairly for her time). She is an adult, and if the reality is it grosses her out to the point where it's not worth it to her, then she has, and always has had the choice to do what the rest of us all do ... find some other way to make money or do without.
Jenny
07-16-2007, 07:01 PM
No. In fact, she dislikes me intensely. She told me that once in PM which really hurt my feelings. I mean, I don't know why she would be offended that I tried to cyber her. That's what the internet is for, right?
I just thought that PMs were very impersonal. I thought if you were, like, really trying you would have IM'd or something. Hey. I'm old fashioned.
She only says she likes me when talking in Blue (never Pink) in order to irritate you guys and try to make you think there is a conspiracy. She's mean that way.
FBR
Dude! Now I really dislike you. Way to fucking out me, there.
Really. Nobody would ever have thought that I was mean or deceitful until you said that.
I am impressed. She is good. I think I am in love....;D
LOL she is indeed badass...in a mean stripper kind of way ;)
FBR
Golden_Rule
07-16-2007, 07:03 PM
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With prostitutes, you know in advance that they want to do it. Dancers... they frequently don't.
Is that what you think? I've known my share of "professional ladies" over my life time and, with rare exception, can't recall many of them who wanted to do it. I've known more than a few johns as well. Its a club you know. We have meeting every Tuesday have punch and cookies. :)
No, seriously, I am sure most of these men don't want to have to pay for sex either. That would rather participate with women who were having sex with them because they liked them and they wanted to have sex with them.
I think the smaller percentage are guys like me, who just want no hassle variety in their sex life, with minimal fuss. Minimal fuss means not causing any pain either way because pain causes anger and regret and they definitely can cause fuss.
What it seems to me is that most sex work involves two people who would rather being doing things a different way if they had more varied choices, but they don't. So the thing of it how does it take place so its as positive an experience as possible even though both would be making those different choices if available.
Same thing applies to dances and their customers, I would think.
And that is what I was getting at. If I am wrong {shrugging shoulders}, but that is what I get as a casual observer and participant in the sex industry. Even if it is only as a customer. :)
Jenny
07-16-2007, 07:04 PM
LOL she is indeed badass...in a mean stripper kind of way ;)
FBRWell... if it helps... I've told all y'all before that it is really only to make up for being so hideously ugly. Hey. When you incredibly unpleasant to look at, you have to cultivate a sense of humour. And a sense of resentment at the world.
Golden_Rule
07-16-2007, 07:09 PM
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Oh wait - maybe you didn't mean that to be as condescending as it sounded.
No, I meant that to sound every bit as condescending as the remark you made it was in response to. Simple tit for tat.
It was just a little of that you respect me a little, I promise to do the same. I'll even go first. :)
Peace.
I just thought that PMs were very impersonal. I thought if you were, like, really trying you would have IM'd or something. Hey. I'm old fashioned.
Pryce enjoys reading sexy stuff. He's young and randy. Since I have been stingy with donations lately, I thought...well...it was a way to show my appreciation. But I guess I should have discussed it with you beforehand.
Dude! Now I really dislike you. Way to fucking out me, there.
Really. Nobody would ever have thought that I was mean or deceitful until you said that.
You are overreacting. No one believes what I say here. Look at criz for example. He is drooling and I know is updating his passport.
FBR
crizgolfer
07-16-2007, 07:29 PM
You are overreacting. No one believes what I say here. Look at criz for example. He is drooling and I know is updating his passport.
FBR
What is the fee for an expedited passport? Anyone know?
What is the fee for an expedited passport? Anyone know?
I sure don't. And I would be concerned that Homeland Security would notice your interest.
FBR
Jenny
07-16-2007, 08:44 PM
And the questioning at the border would be:
"Canadian strippers? What is wrong with American strippers? Uh huh. I see."
And the questioning at the border would be:
"Canadian strippers? What is wrong with American strippers? Uh huh. I see."I told him not to get all worked up over you. But he wouldn't listen.
FBR
crizgolfer
07-17-2007, 03:41 AM
And the questioning at the border would be:
"Canadian strippers? What is wrong with American strippers? Uh huh. I see."
If I told them which specific Canadian stripper, well, they would undoubtedly understand.
Golden_Rule
07-17-2007, 04:16 PM
Well, she did give me 45 minutes so by rights she deserved compensation. So now, I feel like shit again because the dancer rate is way more than $100 for 45 minutes.
You are determined to ruin my night, aren't you? And in such a subtle way.
FBR
See, I get lost on this one. I admit it might just be me.
Is this you calling the dancer over to hang out with you?
I very rarely, if ever, do that in a club. Dancers come by and say hello. Frequently give a short sales pitch, or hang if I know them and the place is dead because hanging out with someone they know, and can tolerate, is better than watching the paint peal. I pay for my lappies and tip well if I am happy, but almost never pay or tip for just chatting with the dancers.
In fairness to dancers who don't know me and start to hang out for any length of time [more than a few minutes] I am very upfront , and hopefully polite, about not wanting anything at the moment so they don't waste any time on me.
P.S. I would pay or tip for company if it was something I asked a dancer to do. Like I said, I just almost never do that.
^^ You might want to page back a dozen or so posts and then read forward. Might make more sense to you if you put my post in context. But I'm a poor writer so maybe not.
Oh..and thanks for the reminder on how to be a good customer. I'm a cheap ass by nature and often do try to finagle free time from dancers. I really dislike myself because of that tendency and am considering therapy. I'll let you know how it goes once they let me out.
FBR
crizgolfer
07-17-2007, 06:42 PM
I'm a cheap ass by nature and often do try to finagle free time from dancers. I really dislike myself because of that tendency and am considering therapy. I'll let you know how it goes once they let me out.
FBR
Dude, I took that same therapy. It involved hours of speed punching my ATM pin number. Once you can drain your account in less than 15 seconds...they let you out.
Cyndi08
07-17-2007, 08:16 PM
FBR, I have read this whole thread (okay I lie, I skipped the crappy arguing parts about the whorism of OTC and blah blah blah) but I have decided I need a hotel friend just like you... I'm on a mission now :)
FBR, I have read this whole thread (okay I lie, I skipped the crappy arguing parts about the whorism of OTC and blah blah blah) but I have decided I need a hotel friend just like you... I'm on a mission now :)
Cyndi you have given me wood which is a rare blessing for an old fucker like me. Thank you. RR lotion fun can be a nice arrangement in spite of my griping about the lack of penetration.
Please tell me Tejas is a ritzy suburb of Cincinnati :P I would be all over it LOL
See Mr P...sometimes the strippers come downstairs and suck up a bit too ;)
FBR
mr_punk
07-18-2007, 06:26 PM
a stripper performing a 5 second BJ after a customer performs analingus so deep and long. he can tell exactly what she ate at the all-you-can-eat chilli and burrito buffet is hardly an equal exchange, FBR.
lestat1
07-18-2007, 07:51 PM
Cyndi is probably too young for me anyways, dammit.
FBR
I'm young, recently single, and have no hotel friend. :thinking: Hmmm...
I'm young, recently single, and have no hotel friend. :thinking: Hmmm...
No offense stat but there are some pretty large hats in the ring ;)
FBR
Cyndi08
07-18-2007, 08:01 PM
22 is legal, FBR ;)
For five hundred, hotel and lunch, I do think you should be getting more. I mean, I would give more sexually for that amount (from a person I enjoy being with, that I see on a fairly regular schedule, has manners, etc)....
but maybe I'm just a slut... haha! Oh well!
lestat1
07-18-2007, 08:19 PM
No offense stat but there are some pretty large hats in the ring ;)
FBR
Well yeah, but from all you seasoned verterans. I'm young...my balls aren't saggy yet. That has to count for something, right? ;D
22 is legal, FBR ;)
For five hundred, hotel and lunch, I do think you should be getting more. I mean, I would give more sexually for that amount (from a person I enjoy being with, that I see on a fairly regular schedule, has manners, etc)....
but maybe I'm just a slut... haha! Oh well!
I appreciate your support. In terms of the money offered. The question becomes if it's just theoretical to you. I mean, are you an observer or a participant? That's a key point.
I'll be bold and take ownership of #1 and #3. Number 2 is a bit more troublesome considering the geography and all. But where there is a will.... :)
FBR