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Well yeah, but from all you seasoned verterans. I'm young...my balls aren't saggy yet. That has to count for something, right? ;D
stat LOL I dunno. Maybe Cyndi can define her priorities for us. I mean 22 is pretty young so she might be a year or two away from getting it ;)
FBR
Cyndi08
07-18-2007, 09:01 PM
saggy balls? haha
psssshhh, I feel more strongly about basic hygeine in that arena than appearance.
I forgot to list that in my criteria. Make that #4.
saggy balls? haha
psssshhh, I feel more strongly about basic hygeine in that arena than appearance.
I forgot to list that in my criteria. Make that #4.
I hope you realize this is huge. I mean, it pretty much knocks stat out of the game. He was banking on our saggy balls providing him a walk to first base and then 3 errors ;) He is fragile so I hope you aren't, you know, kidding around. He could be damaged by your comment and require years of therapy.
FBR
lestat1
07-18-2007, 09:24 PM
I hope you realize this is huge. I mean, it pretty much knocks stat out of the game. He was banking on our saggy balls providing him a walk to first base and then 3 errors ;) He is fragile so I hope you aren't, you know, kidding around. He could be damaged by your comment and require years of therapy.
FBR
'Stat has shaved twig 'n bits. Top-notch hygeine in that department. Game on!
'Stat has shaved twig 'n bits. Top-notch hygeine in that department. Game on!
I would have described it as a log even if untrue. You know, just to keep things percolating. Surely you know that women so young have short attention spans.
FBR
Blah. I swore I wouldn't ask but Cyndi is that your ass in your siggy? I mean your av shows a thin waist flaring out to some nice hips and ass. Which pretty much matches the gif in you sig. I broke my own personal rules by asking so now I'll have to do a bunch of Hail Marys and Our Fathers in an effort to seek forgiveness for my perviness ;)
FBR
Smokeless
07-18-2007, 10:18 PM
I broke my own personal rules by asking so now I'll have to do a bunch of Hail Marys and Our Fathers in an effort to seek forgiveness for my perviness ;)
OMG! Speaking of perviness... FBR, are you some sort of an ex-Catholic or Jack Catholic (compare "Jack Mormon", see "The Monkey Wrench Gang")?? :O
OMG! Speaking of perviness... FBR, are you some sort of an ex-Catholic or Jack Catholic (compare "Jack Mormon", see "The Monkey Wrench Gang")?? :O
I'm not much of anything. My wife is a devout catholic and I do go to church with her once in a while. So I've sort of absorbed the lingo and have developed some respect for the rituals.
FBR
Richard_Head
07-18-2007, 10:50 PM
Geez, you guys are drooling all over the place, does anybody have a mop?
Well I wasn't drooling all over the place, I was just drooling on Cyndi. She seems to have gotten shy all the sudden, though. A little flakey and she's not even a stripper yet LOL
FBR
Cyndi08
07-19-2007, 11:52 AM
Hey, I'm not flakey! LOL
I've been thinking now that the hotel biz with a select one or two may be enough to take the place of stripping, though... *evil grin*
I love sex, get paid... everyone wins, I win twice :D
PS- yes that's me ;)
I've been thinking now that the hotel biz with a select one or two may be enough to take the place of stripping, though... *evil grin*
Well, I only pay Miss D around 6-7 small a week. I mean, that's not chump change but I doubt you could live on it. Even two guys with similar spending habits would barely keep you grounded in the middle to upper middle class. I'd say 2-1/2 men minimum.
I love sex, get paid... everyone wins, I win twice :D
You have an excellent attitude, hon. Makes me want to hook up with you, like right now. A quick question though...do you have a problem with old guy nose hairs?
PS- yes that's me ;)
I knew it. Awesome. Ha, I'm feeling pretty smug now. I bet all the other guys here thought it was some random gif you snagged off the internet. I knew right away it was you.
FBR
Cyndi08
07-19-2007, 06:33 PM
oh no worries on the money... I'll have a graduate degree in nine short months and will have a very accomodating day job...
I just want supplemental income ;)
oh no worries on the money... I have a graduate degree in nine short months and will have a day job...
I just want supplemental income ;)
I didn't know that. Well, hell, my 30 large would just be walking around and shopping money. In a way, that would be completely sweet ;D I like financially independent women.
FBR
lestat1
07-19-2007, 06:56 PM
I would have described it as a log even if untrue. You know, just to keep things percolating. Surely you know that women so young have short attention spans.
FBR
But that's why I upgraded and said "twig" instead of toothpick. And short attention spans are good; I don't need very long. :P
The "party" (as previously mentioned) is Saturday night. Miss D hasn't mentioned it since the original invite a few weeks ago which makes me think it was merely an attempt to extract more money out of me at the time.
Blah. Strippers are such biatches.
FBR
Howie
07-25-2007, 10:56 PM
Blah. I swore I wouldn't ask but Cyndi is that your ass in your siggy? I mean your av shows a thin waist flaring out to some nice hips and ass. Which pretty much matches the gif in you sig. I broke my own personal rules by asking so now I'll have to do a bunch of Hail Marys and Our Fathers in an effort to seek forgiveness for my perviness ;)
FBR
I could have swore that Moneywise had that same gif in his signature line in the past.
FBR, do you consider yourself a "Sugar Daddy?" For the kind of money you spend, I think a top shelf whore would be more fullfilling, unless you get your jollys from the arm candy aspect in public.
Jenny
07-25-2007, 11:41 PM
The "party" (as previously mentioned) is Saturday night. Miss D hasn't mentioned it since the original invite a few weeks ago which makes me think it was merely an attempt to extract more money out of me at the time.
Blah. Strippers are such biatches.
FBR
Damn FBR. It sucks when the woman you are paying for sex (or pseudo sex) is interested in exchanging money for sex rather than being your girlfriend. Because there is no way that could go wrong or become complicated.
Damn FBR. It sucks when the woman you are paying for sex (or pseudo sex) is interested in exchanging money for sex rather than being your girlfriend. Because there is no way that could go wrong or become complicated.
You probably won't believe this but I'm not trying to get her as a real girl friend. You know, hanging out together a lot and being recognized as a couple. I can't do that. I just want a full GFE experience when we are together which in my opinion includes real fucking once in a while. She has already been providing some of the other components and I enjoy them. She acts as though she enjoys them too.
I don't have a problem with continuing to pay her. She can't survive on the $25K stipend she gets from the university. In fact, she couldn't survive on that amount plus the couple hundred a week she makes stripping outside of the money I give her at the club. And I want her to be able to maintain her present lifestyle. So I'm not looking for free sex in the bf/gf sense. I mean, it would be nice :) but an unreasonable expectation.
Obviously, I could do something about it if I so choose as long as I'm willing to accept the resultant "new" status quo whatever it might turn out to be.
FBR
miabella
07-27-2007, 04:08 PM
wow, miss d certainly lives large to not be able to survive in your neck of the woods on 40k+ per year....
FBR, do you consider yourself a "Sugar Daddy?"
Howie, not really. I give her a decent amount of money but she cannot live on that money alone. Interestingly, her friend Miss K (who is not a stripper) has a real sugardaddy. He's a wealthy married guy who I don't know but know of. Miss K lives in a nicer house than I do (which he pays for), has a couple of very nice cars (which he paid for) and plenty of walking around money and credit cards (which he provides). Thats a real sugardaddy IMO. And oh...they are fucking ;)
For the kind of money you spend, I think a top shelf whore would be more fullfilling, unless you get your jollys from the arm candy aspect in public.
I know. The POP here for attractive escorts is $300. If you ratcheted up to $600 that puts you into the high end locally. Thats 50 or so exchanges a year...almost weekly...based on what I spend on Miss D. Or a smaller number of longer engagements. More "date like". So yeah, I can see how many (most?) guys here think I am being foolish.
FBR
yoda57us
07-27-2007, 05:02 PM
I know. The POP here for attractive escorts is $300. If you ratcheted up to $600 that puts you into the high end locally. Thats 50 or so exchanges a year...almost weekly...based on what I spend on Miss D. Or a smaller number of longer engagements. More "date like". So yeah, I can see how many (most?) guys here think I am being foolish.
FBR
You will never hear that from me FBR. I've been paying for everything from no-touch ld's to Full Service escorts for almost half of my life. A good escort is almost always a better deal than trying to get sex from a stripper but sometimes who you want is who you want. Admittedly not every guy thinks like this but for me, and it seems like for you as well, it's about something beyond being "serviced".
I am getting fully and completely laid for my six small every week or so but, if the lady in question stopped escorting tomorrow and became a dancer I would be at her club every week buying slap and tickle VIP's if that's all she offered.
Jenny
07-27-2007, 05:12 PM
You probably won't believe this but I'm not trying to get her as a real girl friend. You know, hanging out together a lot and being recognized as a couple. I can't do that.
I absolutely believe that. That's what I meant when I satirically said "there is no way that could get complicated". I do kind of think you want the option though. I mean otherwise you wouldn't be making giddy posts here about her asking you to a party (oh my god - she really likes me!) and what a nice trophy girl she would make.
Obviously, I could do something about it if I so choose as long as I'm willing to accept the resultant "new" status quo whatever it might turn out to be.Well it sounds like you are in an excellent position to renegotiate. I mean she does depend heavily on your income. Is she going to give it up if you suddenly demand penetration?
wow, miss d certainly lives large to not be able to survive in your neck of the woods on 40k+ per year....
Point taken, mia. I shouldn't have said "survive". That was elitist. Around here 40K does buy you survival. But selfishly, I want her to be able to do her monthly hair/nails/waxing thing (so she looks good), dress stylishly (also so she looks good), drive a late model car (I don't want the "my car is broken down" phone calls) and live in a nice apartment in a safe area (for the rare occasions I go to her place).
Thank you for presenting an opportunity to clarify. I'm often ambiguous and unclear but it's not on purpose :)
FBR
You will never hear that from me FBR. I've been paying for everything from no-touch ld's to Full Service escorts for almost half of my life. A good escort is almost always a better deal than trying to get sex from a stripper but sometimes who you want is who you want. Admittedly not every guy thinks like this but for me, and it seems like for you as well, it's about something beyond being "serviced".
I am getting fully and completely laid for my six small every week or so but, if the lady in question stopped escorting tomorrow and became a dancer I would be at her club every week buying slap and tickle VIP's if that's all she offered.
Yoda, thank you. I appreciate that :)
Along the lines you mentioned, it's funny how things play out. I was seeing an escort in the early Miss D days. She lives in a city a couple of hours from me. Miss D and the escort are similar in appearance (shortish blonds with what I call "having meat on their bones", all natural and very pretty and personable). I liked both of them a lot. With the escort it was FS from the get-go, of course. And it was good. With Miss D it was pseudo as it is now. But good also in a different way. Anywho (and an admittance that my skills in managing flockettes was diminishing with my advancing age) it was just getting too complicated. Both wanted a lot of my time (and money) and frankly, I could no longer manage it. So I chose Miss D (to an extent because she was local and also because she had a bit less baggage). Plus, and I know it sounds egotistical, I figured over time I could turn her into my personal exclusive "escort", so to speak. i know I'll get ripped for that comment, but that's honestly how I felt at the time. Anyway, fast forward a few years and here I am discussing not getting the HG from Miss D. Fuckin Karma, I hate it.
FBR
I absolutely believe that. That's what I meant when I satirically said "there is no way that could get complicated". I do kind of think you want the option though. I mean otherwise you wouldn't be making giddy posts here about her asking you to a party (oh my god - she really likes me!) and what a nice trophy girl she would make.
Giddy? As in school boy? Even Mr P wouldn't call me giddy. Thank you.
Well it sounds like you are in an excellent position to renegotiate. I mean she does depend heavily on your income. Is she going to give it up if you suddenly demand penetration?
That's the $50,000 question, Jenny. I just don't know. I mean, I could push it hard. I know how to do that stuff and perhaps with sufficient pressure I could HG her. I was hoping (OK...I was naive) the party invitation was an indication that demanding was unnecessary. But you got me thinking and weighing options. I appreciate that :)
FBR
yoda57us
07-27-2007, 07:55 PM
Yoda, thank you. I appreciate that :)
...it was just getting too complicated. Both wanted a lot of my time (and money) and frankly, I could no longer manage it. So I chose Miss D (to an extent because she was local and also because she had a bit less baggage). Plus, and I know it sounds egotistical, I figured over time I could turn her into my personal exclusive "escort", so to speak. i know I'll get ripped for that comment, but that's honestly how I felt at the time. Anyway, fast forward a few years and here I am discussing not getting the HG from Miss D. Fuckin Karma, I hate it.
FBR
You are welcome FBR, us old emotional farts have to stick together...
I've cut back on my strip clubbing as I've gotten more involved with my Escort hottie. Not just because of the money but because the club routine has become less rewarding for me. It's not just about sex, though that is certainly the primary reason that you hire an escort of course. It's about the same kind of connection that you get with the right dancer. It just feels very comfortable and it becomes easy to forget that you are paying for this gal's time.
Honestly, I've had the same sort of thoughts about the whole "personal escort" thing with a few dancers over the years (never with an actual escort since, obviously, the chickens have already left the barn in this case).
What has always brought me back to reality is the same old mantra: "When she tells you she only does it for you she means "only" until the next "special guy" comes along...
Katrine
07-28-2007, 11:19 AM
FBR. Denial. You know the rest.
Jenny
07-28-2007, 01:42 PM
Plus, and I know it sounds egotistical, I figured over time I could turn her into my personal exclusive "escort", so to speak. i know I'll get ripped for that comment, but that's honestly how I felt at the time. Anyway, fast forward a few years and here I am discussing not getting the HG from Miss D. Fuckin Karma, I hate it.
FBR
Egotism aside, why do you assume that she is your personal "pseudo escort" now? I mean, the way you tell it, she approached you with the offer. I mean, she might not make the same offer to everyone, but I have difficulty imagining that she never makes it anyone else.
mr_punk
07-29-2007, 06:25 AM
Giddy? As in school boy? Even Mr P wouldn't call me giddy.why not? isn't giddiness a symptom of massive head trauma like a concussion or the sign of a brain tumor, stoke or senility?
Plus, and I know it sounds egotistical, I figured over time I could turn her into my personal exclusive "escort", so to speak. i know I'll get ripped for that comment, but that's honestly how I felt at the time. Anyway, fast forward a few years and here I am discussing not getting the HG from Miss D. Fuckin Karma, I hate it.LOL..well, give Miss D. credit for having a pair of 99lb brass ones. she reminds me of those strippers who perform a HJ and nothing else. which is fine, BTW. however, IMO, they're not even remotely close to being worthy of the amount regular money you've been spending on Miss D. over the years. no stripper is that effing charming. but hey, i guess it's good work if they can get it.
Casual Observer
07-29-2007, 07:45 AM
I know. The POP here for attractive escorts is $300. If you ratcheted up to $600 that puts you into the high end locally. Thats 50 or so exchanges a year...almost weekly...based on what I spend on Miss D. Or a smaller number of longer engagements. More "date like". So yeah, I can see how many (most?) guys here think I am being foolish.
Foolish seems rather accurate when you measure your dissatisfaction vis a vis your expenditures for an incomplete experience.
Kat is right.
yoda57us
07-29-2007, 11:46 AM
Egotism aside, why do you assume that she is your personal "pseudo escort" now? I mean, the way you tell it, she approached you with the offer. I mean, she might not make the same offer to everyone, but I have difficulty imagining that she never makes it anyone else.
I don't see where he is saying she IS his personal psuedo escort. The way I'm reading it it sounds like FBTR is saying that he was hoping for that, not that it has happened...I could be wrong, I'm reading and posting before meds again...
Foolish seems rather accurate when you measure your dissatisfaction vis a vis your expenditures for an incomplete experience.
I don't sense that FBR is dissatisfied based on his posts. Honestly, if he was I think he would have delivered the ultimatum or walked away a long time ago....at least this is how I am reading it...
SportsWriter2
07-29-2007, 12:31 PM
Fun friends.... $200 afternoons... rabbits are the new cocaine... can u bring more batteries? Some perfectly good girls leave for less. :-\
Jenny
07-29-2007, 12:41 PM
I don't see where he is saying she IS his personal psuedo escort. The way I'm reading it it sounds like FBTR is saying that he was hoping for that, not that it has happened...I could be wrong, I'm reading and posting before meds again...
Oh... I thought he was hoping that she would become his personal actual escort... which sort of implies that she is a personal something else right now, or else... why would she be? Like, I don't mean an escort, I mean his personally.
Ultimately, if she is really as dependent on his income as he thinks she is, it should be easy. Offer to pay her more to fuck you, and simultaneously threaten to move on if she doesn't. Provided that he is right about her income, chances are about 90% that she'll do it. I mean, she probably won't LIKE him anymore, but she'll do it. Although - seriously, he could really be wrong about her income. She could easily have a few, and probably manage several other regular OTC clients. And I've never met a girl who approaches guys for any brand of OTC that only approaches one. Like I said - it may not be an offer she extends to everyone, but it seems really unlikely that she met FBR (as charming and delightful as I'm sure he is), came up with the idea right there and then opted to be faithful to him.
I'm only aware of one significant OTC guy before me...a doctor that she nuked after six months because he got "weird" on her. I'm not sure but I think by weird she meant he wanted to divorce his wife and all that.
Jenny, after several years, I have a sense of what is going on. An accumulation of consistencies. But I could be wrong. Maybe she has a string of wimpy "FBR's" along with other more persistent customers she is actually fucking. You are right that I can't know for sure. Short of stalking her, which I'm not inclined to do, I guess I'm stuck with whining about it here.
FBR
Jenny
07-29-2007, 02:30 PM
FBR, you know I'm a believer in trusting your own judgment. Just because I've never seen or heard of such a thing, and could not imagine a situation (including intense stupidity) in which a dancer would act in such a way, doesn't mean that it couldn't happen.
FBR, you know I'm a believer in trusting your own judgment. Just because I've never seen or heard of such a thing, and could not imagine a situation (including intense stupidity) in which a dancer would act in such a way, doesn't mean that it couldn't happen.
Even though she is a Ph.D candidate, in my heart of hearts, I'm hoping that she is actually retarded. I know...not likely :-\
FBR
Jenny
07-29-2007, 04:13 PM
Well I was working under the assumption that she was, in fact, not retarded at all. And that likelihood kind of feeds into my perception of all the other likelihoods, you know?
mr_punk
07-29-2007, 06:39 PM
Maybe she has a string of wimpy "FBR's" along with other more persistent customers she is actually fucking. You are right that I can't know for sure.let's say she is fucking a string of FBR's. would you be pissed about the other guys or pissed that you're not getting in on the action?
Short of stalking her, which I'm not inclined to do, I guess I'm stuck with whining about it here.probably. i just hope, instead of a tongue, she has a red cape with a big "S" on the back.
let's say she is fucking a string of FBR's. would you be pissed about the other guys or pissed that you're not getting in on the action?
probably. i just hope, instead of a tongue, she has a red cape with a big "S" on the back.
Mr Punk...if you met her you would want to make her your 5th wife. For a week or two at least until she started trying to boss you around :P
Seriously, in my little happy FBR world I just want to fuck her (I've only slipped in a couple of times accidentally and it was...ummm...attention getting }:D ). I wouldn't want to hear about the other FBR's.
FBR
Jenny
07-29-2007, 07:23 PM
let's say she is fucking a string of FBR's. would you be pissed about the other guys or pissed that you're not getting in on the action?
Well, me, I was assuming that she is doing what she is doing with FBR with a string of FBRs. Not, like, leaving him out in the cold. Like to me it seems fairly simple that if she wanted to do penetrative sex for money she would probably just try to charge more for it.
Well, me, I was assuming that she is doing what she is doing with FBR with a string of FBRs. Not, like, leaving him out in the cold. Like to me it seems fairly simple that if she wanted to do penetrative sex for money she would probably just try to charge more for it.
She hasn't offered a price point. Should I just say "Miss D, will you fuck me for $1000? (for example). That's doubling our current price for pseudo.
FBR
Jenny
07-29-2007, 08:31 PM
I meant that she probably wasn't having penetrative sex in a professional capacity with anyone else if she hasn't made an offer to you. In case that was unclear.
Are you asking me if I think she'll say okay to it? I don't know. If you pair it with an indirect threat that you may move on to someone that will, and you are correct about her income, then she probably will. But she will also resent you and dislike you for it, and start looking to replace you even if she does have penetrative sex with the next guy as well. I know. Women are weird. Ultimately - I have (more or less) dry sex in a public place with guys for $20, but I wouldn't have real sex in private for $1500. There are some days when it seems more rational than others, but it seems that I have decided that my personal psycho sexual boundary is worth $1480. There is no possibly way that I can know what your girl's is worth to her (to me it seems like a no brainer, but different people). If any of that made sense to you. But yes, ultimately, I think you can make her do it if you really don't care what she thinks of you. (Now see? Don't you sometimes just wish you were mr_punk?)
If you do care what she thinks of you - more money is always an enticing lubricant. But I'd think about what you are setting up for the future - like would you just want to fuck her once and then go back to the massage? Or are you prepared to double your hooker allowance? Or meet with her half as often?
mr_punk
07-29-2007, 10:55 PM
Mr Punk...if you met her you would want to make her your 5th wife. For a week or two at least until she started trying to boss you around:scared:my fifth wife? either you're bad at math or i was so traumatized by my fourth marriage that i don't remember it, FBR. in any case, i think i need to change my underwear.
She hasn't offered a price point. Should I just say "Miss D, will you fuck me for $1000? (for example). That's doubling our current price for pseudo.:Ofor a stripper!? she better have a matching red cape with a big "S" on the back hanging out of her snatch.;)
But yes, ultimately, I think you can make her do it if you really don't care what she thinks of you. (Now see? Don't you sometimes just wish you were mr_punk?)well, if he were me. in the first place, he never would have let this go on for so long. early on, FBR would have said, "you do know this is fucking money, right?"
Jenny
07-29-2007, 11:03 PM
:Ofor a stripper!? she better have a matching red cape with a big "S" on the back hanging out of her snatch.;)
Again - this is one of those things. Guys here like strippers more than escorts (or more than "official escorts" if you want to be silly about the labeling - and I already know you do) because they feel like they are "scoring". That is apparently worth more money. The entire process seems weird to me too, and yet there it is and nobody here is going to step back from it any time soon.
well, if he were me. in the first place, he never would have let this go on for so long. early on, FBR would have said, "you do know this is fucking money, right?"
Well, considering that she was the one who made the offer and that the offer was made with the caveat of "no sex" her response would probably have been "Have you been struck in the head recently? I just said... "No Sex."" In any case - no use crying over spilled milk.
mr_punk
07-30-2007, 06:10 AM
Again - this is one of those things. Guys here like strippers more than escorts (or more than "official escorts" if you want to be silly about the labeling - and I already know you do) because they feel like they are "scoring". That is apparently worth more money. The entire process seems weird to me too, and yet there it is and nobody here is going to step back from it any time soon.basically, you're saying they can't tell a ho from a housewife if you drew them a map. LOL....nice.
Well, considering that she was the one who made the offer and that the offer was made with the caveat of "no sex" her response would probably have been "Have you been struck in the head recently? I just said... "No Sex."" In any case - no use crying over spilled milk.really? sorry, you're a woman. of course, you would remember such details verbatim. in any case, FBR's response would have been, "are you high?".
Mr P, you quoted Jenny but accidentally attributed said words to me. I corrected the authorship just in case a casual member happened to skim through the thread. Of course, all the regular posters immediately spotted the error knowing I never write so succinctly.
FBR
Jenny
07-30-2007, 07:09 AM
Aw Jay. I totally have a mad crush on you now.
lestat1
07-30-2007, 02:32 PM
Jay, I sincerely respect your fidelity.
It looks like I'll have to live vicariously through someone else's HG posts. :P
yoda, I was just trying to capsulize in a satirical way what the folks I chat with here might say to me if we were sitting around bullshitting, enjoying an adult beverage and pretty much in the mode of saying what was on his or her mind. I omitted all the associated nuances in an effort to keep it pithy and not too deep. And hopefully humorous.
As an aside, I have a plan B in place that will begin moving forward tomorrow. One that incorporates some of your points. It doesn't displace Miss D ...I've admitted before that she is special to me...but one that will hopefully help break me of the tendency to try and put a square peg in a round hole.
FBR
yoda57us
08-03-2007, 07:29 PM
As an aside, I have a plan B in place that will begin moving forward tomorrow. One that incorporates some of your points. It doesn't displace Miss D ...I've admitted before that she is special to me...but one that will hopefully help break me of the tendency to try and put a square peg in a round hole.
FBR
Careful FBR, most pros will charge extra for that...