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FBR
08-03-2007, 07:53 PM
Careful FBR, most pros will charge extra for that...

Methinks Plan B still needs some massaging.

FBR

yoda57us
08-03-2007, 07:56 PM
Methinks Plan B still needs some massaging.

FBR

Well, practice makes perfect....

lestat1
08-08-2007, 06:17 PM
An update on my situation with my ATF. :banghead:

I've been overdue for a trip, and had finally resolved to stop being a chicken shit and pick up the phone to call her tonight and straighten out this friends or customer thing that has kept me out of the club since she brought it up at the end of June. In a bizarre coincidence I can't even believe, she texted me before I got home (first contact in weeks). Just a friendly bit of catching up, and I responded back in kind. Then I laid it out; I asked her if she was still thinking that she’d rather have me as a friend than a customer, or if I may stop in and see her sometime? I said I was happy with either, so whichever she prefers. Simple, easy, straight to the point, she can say “customer” and I can go back to hot VIPs, right? Wrong!

Well it turns out my message was too long and didn’t go through. Great. Then the phone rings right away and it’s her. I was all nervous (as usual). “You didn’t finish your message!” So I stumble through trying to summarize it, she sounds a little confused, but she finally understands after I nervously rush through the explanation. She said she doesn't care which, and that we haven’t really done anything yet to establish a friendship (no shit, you keep flaking on me and I’m sick of it). She’s been busy and things have been crazy with her baby’s daddy. She said: “oh, well we can do both.” Ugh, for crying out loud! C’mon, I gave her an “out,” she doesn’t need to keep up the OTC bait, just…c’mon! I say that both will be kind of weird, and she suggests that I come see her at work…tonight. Well I’m not up for it right now, and suggest tomorrow or next week. She says great, and suggests we go to [a local event] on Sunday. *sigh* I made it so damned easy for her, but no. :banghead:

SportsWriter2
08-08-2007, 07:02 PM
An update on my situation with my ATF. :banghead:
Listen to the rappers man, she fuckin witchoo.

Katrine
08-08-2007, 07:20 PM
There is nothing to make easy for her 'stat. She will play the SS until death. Just keep in mind, you are a CUSTOMER, and that's it. If you were a friend, she wouldn't have flaked on you. No matter what she says. So go get dances if you like them...

Jenny
08-08-2007, 08:24 PM
When you say you "made it easy" - like you made what easy? Nobody is making you keep calling the chick. If you like being a customer - great. But she seems pretty clearly not interested in being friends INSTEAD of customer/dancer. And as easy as you think it sounds - try this on: "Oh... so you want me to choose between being friendly with you and having you spend money on me... hmm, I think I'm going to have to go with the cash." Try saying that to some poor schmuk who is nervously stammering through his pitch, and then tell me that it's easy. So your initial idea of pursuing a wholly non-financial relationship is toasted - you don't really need her to staple a memo in triplicate onto your forehead, do you?

xdamage
08-08-2007, 08:48 PM
"...no shit, you keep flaking on me and I’m sick of it..."

For your sake state, I hope you really truly are sick of it, enough so that you'll listen to your big head and move on...


She’s been busy and things have been crazy with her baby’s daddy. :banghead:

etc., etc., etc., really, bro, you don't want this crazy shit in your life, I mean like really really REALLY you don't.

lestat1
08-08-2007, 08:59 PM
Jenny, actually, I kind of do. :P But I understand that she has no way of knowing that I'm the sort of poor schmuck who does, as opposed to the ones who would stop being customers if she were that blunt with them. By that I mean that when I told her I was happy with either, I was being sincere. Friends would be nice and expand my circle of friends which is close but small, and business is hot dances. Both are good.

I just realized that I'm *assuming* she's going to continue the OTC SS. She may stop and we can let it simply slip into memory. That would actually be ideal at this point, if it just stopped and we kept it strictly business and fun ITC (as opposed to that + BS). I'll know more after tomorrow night.

By "make it easy:" I mean it takes work and effort for her to do the phone calls, "maintenance," keep coming up with excuses why she can't meet, etc. right? At that moment, she may have felt like she was in a pickle but in the long run isn't it so much easier to just have me happy to go in, pay her, and get dances? I've never called her first, only responded or called back.


EDIT: Jenny, is there a way I could have phrased it better? I know several pages back when I was discussing my ATF and I, you had mentioned flat out asking her about the friends versus customer thing as a resolution. Is there a way this could have been easier for both of us?

Howie
08-08-2007, 11:44 PM
"My Opinion", is that you're wasting your time pursuing an OTC relationship. Keep it in the club and don't even talk about taking it OTC. You might get OTC, but you'll probably regret it. You’ll have to find a different club then. No matter how good the pussy might be, at some point you'll get sick of her shit. When it’s an exchange of service for money, you’ll have less guilt about moving on in the club to a different dancer. I fucked up a good time in the club by talking about OTC activities to a dancer that I had no intentions of fulfilling and when I got called on it, I disappeared. I guess I when the flaky route.

crizgolfer
08-09-2007, 04:16 AM
Lestat, if she valued friendship with you more than the money then she would have come through by now. If she "flaked out" once on you then that may have been legitimate. If it has happenned more than once, then it is just SS. If she wanted to have more than a business relationship she would make the effort in her personal life to make that happen. That has not happenned. How long as this "OTC friendship carrot been dangling out there?

Given the context of how you have stated things on this site then there is no way she does not understand what you were trying to explain (regardiing OTC vs. ITC). No matter how much you stammered while saying it (unless she is not very smart, but I will giver her the benefit of the doubt) she knows what you are saying.

You seem like a nice guy. Take some control for your own good. You cannot control her, but you can control yourself. Don't waste time beating yourself up over this situation. It is not worth it brother. If you like her as a dancer then ignore the texts and phone calls and show up to the club when you are in the mood to spend some time with her and money on her. If you lose that feeling then drop the business relationship completely.

That is just my two cents. Good luck and take care.

Casual Observer
08-09-2007, 04:35 AM
When you say you "made it easy" - like you made what easy? Nobody is making you keep calling the chick.

Exactly.

Move forward, dude. You're engaging in drama with no ROI.

bem401
08-09-2007, 06:00 AM
Stat -

I think you have to ask yourself what you want in this situation. If you want an OTC friendship, tell her that and resolve yourself to no more dances either way. If she says yes, the dances will be awkward because you are legitimately friends. If she says no, the dances will be awkward because your desire for something else will still be there. She knows that, that's why she is procrastinating. The "out" I see that you are giving her is the option to not make a decision and keep dangling that carrot in front of you. That's the only "out" you are providing her.

Jenny
08-09-2007, 06:51 AM
By "make it easy:" I mean it takes work and effort for her to do the phone calls, "maintenance," keep coming up with excuses why she can't meet, etc. right? At that moment, she may have felt like she was in a pickle but in the long run isn't it so much easier to just have me happy to go in, pay her, and get dances? I've never called her first, only responded or called back.
Yes, in the long run it is easier... but... it's also incredibly awkward to tell someone - especially someone you've led on - that you just don't really like them and you just want their money. Have you never had to do this? Like, not this exactly, but something like it?

Okay. You've had your answer. I know you don't want it, I know it's not the answer you wanted or were hoping for - and yet. there it is. Out there. She already said that she doesn't want to give you up as a customer. She said that between the two, she wants you as a customer. It's there. It's said. It's out. You've heard it. It's been laid down. Now you just have to accept it. I know that bem thinks he's stripper catnip, but I really wouldn't count on her suddenly "really" liking you if you just cut off the money after she's said that she would prefer to have you as a customer than a friend. Like if a regular asked me out and I said I would prefer to keep it professional and then he thought "aha! I will simply remove the professional component - then she will have no choice!" - I mean, he would certainly have the option of not buying dances from me anymore, but it really, definitely, certainly would not make me go out with him.

So if you would still enjoy her professional services, enjoy them. If you wouldn't - don't. But the issue is gone.

bem401
08-09-2007, 07:39 AM
I know that bem thinks he's stripper catnip, but I really wouldn't count on her suddenly "really" liking you if you just cut off the money after she's said that she would prefer to have you as a customer than a friend. Like if a regular asked me out and I said I would prefer to keep it professional and then he thought "aha! I will simply remove the professional component - then she will have no choice!" - I mean, he would certainly have the option of not buying dances from me anymore, but it really, definitely, certainly would not make me go out with him.

So if you would still enjoy her professional services, enjoy them. If you wouldn't - don't. But the issue is gone.

Well, if she told him she'd rather he be a customer than a friend, he has his answer, but I don't recall that phrasing in anything he wrote.

And Jenny, my post didn't mention money once and you turned this into a money thing.

The dances ought to end after her decision for one of 2 reasons:
1. They become friends IRL and the dances thus become awkward;
2. She refuses to become friends IRL, in which case he'd be reminded of that (even if the dances were free) every time he danced with her..

Ending the dances has nothing to do with punishing her and everything to do with not punishing himself if what he really wants is something more than some hot dances.

If he really isn't bothered by the fact that she has rejected him as a friend IRL , then obviously he is free to continue enjoying her professional services.

In any event it seems he is weary of her indecisiveness and that seems to be what he is really complaining about.

Jenny
08-09-2007, 07:46 AM
Well, if she told him she'd rather he be a customer than a friend, he has his answer, but I don't recall that phrasing in anything he wrote.
Well when he told her that he would like to be friends and would feel awkward being her customer she said that she didn't know what to do with that, that they didn't really have a friendship and that "maybe they could do both". She clearly has no interest in giving him up as a customer.


And Jenny, my post didn't mention money once and you turned this into a money thing.
Okay... well then let's just pretend that the fact that he pays her for dances has no relevance.


The dances ought to end after her decision for one of 2 reasons:
1. They become friends IRL and the dances thus become awkward;
2. She refuses to become friends IRL, in which case he'd be reminded of that (even if the dances were free) every time he danced with her.
Well. That's you, not him. He already said that he would like to retain her professional services even if no relationship surfaced. He said that many times, clearly. I also said that if he didn't want her professional services he shouldn't get them. I will, however, flatter him by acting like he knows what he wants better than I do. In any case - his situation and he is free to take your advice, my advice, neither or some combination of the two. I am merely suggesting that removing himself as her customer in an effort to cultivate a friendship will not likely be effective.

mr_punk
08-09-2007, 09:29 AM
She said she doesn't care which, and that we haven’t really done anything yet to establish a friendship (no shit, you keep flaking on me and I’m sick of it). She’s been busy and things have been crazy with her baby’s daddy. She said: “oh, well we can do both.” Ugh, for crying out loud!LOL..she's funny. still, don't you think your expectations of her were just a wee bit too high? i mean, you wouldn't expect dullard to give you a coherent answer about the therory of relativity, would you? so, why would you expect a straight answer from a flaky stripper?

There is nothing to make easy for her 'stat. She will play the SS until death. Just keep in mind, you are a CUSTOMER, and that's it.that's true. as a general rule, whenever a stripper professes to be something other than a source of amusement or distraction like an organ-grinder's monkey. watch out! it's about to get very, very deep.

yoda57us
08-09-2007, 02:48 PM
Wow, am I glad I went through all of this BS ten years ago and got it over with....

lestat1
08-09-2007, 03:44 PM
Thanks to everyone for their replies. As I've said before I always listen to advice, then combine it with what I know and decide what to do.

Jenny,
I carefully avoided ever expressing a preference to her regarding customer versus friend. I said I would be fine with either one, but that "both" would be awkward. The truth, if I'm really honest with myself, puts my preferences like so:

(1) Friends with possibility of "more"
(2) Professional relationship
(3) Just friends

with (1) being way in the lead, and (2) and (3) very close.

A month ago I thought (1) and (3) had a one-in-a-million, and one-in-a-thousand chance, respectively. After a month of her flakiness and the advice on here, I think they're basically zero.

So what do I want? (2) with no more OTC-carrot-dangling from her, and no awkwardness due to either of us having to be rude to the other. How to get it? Head ITC tonight, get some great VIP dances, and politely decline any other offer. I suspect in time she'll stop asking to hang out OTC.

Sounds simple, stay tuned to see how it goes/went...


(If nothing else, I got to discuss drama for several pages, which is more excitement than I usually have! LOL)

Katrine
08-09-2007, 03:55 PM
SS is easy to spread, its like warm smooth creamy peanut butter. She'll continue the OTC SS because she knows that once she tells you there's no chance, you'll stop coming in and spending money on her. And you will....

FBR
08-09-2007, 04:11 PM
(If nothing else, I got to discuss drama for several pages, which is more excitement than I usually have! LOL)

Stat, your drama is always fun to read :) I have to agree with the majority of the posters that if forced to choose, she will choose the money over "friendship". Considering the quality of her dances, I don't think she has short changed you and really, it's a pain in the ass to find a dancer who will consistently deliver as promised ITC. So if you truly are acceptant of that, you should be able to pick it up from there.

FBR

crizgolfer
08-09-2007, 05:28 PM
it's a pain in the ass to find a dancer who will consistently deliver as promised ITC.
FBR

Amen to that.

SportsWriter2
08-09-2007, 07:34 PM
SS is easy to spread, its like warm smooth creamy peanut butter.
And guys will eat it right out of the jar in big spoonfuls.

lestat1
08-09-2007, 08:17 PM
Day-um I had a great VIP! ;D

Katrine was right, my ATF is going to keep up the SS until death. She brought her A-game to the VIP, and she brought the SS to obscene levels. Get your popcorn out; LOL!

I just posted it to the trip reports thread, enjoy:
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1165864#post1165864

slcdon
08-09-2007, 09:44 PM
Lestat,

I have enjoyed reading about your quandry. I had a very similar experience with my ATF 10-12 yrs ago. I had seen her a few times when she suggested we meet for lunch; she even gave a specific date, time, and place. And, I fell for it - hook, line, and sinker; just like you did. The only smart thing I did was to give her my number and refuse hers. I told her - "Call me if you really want to do this; I won't show up if I don't hear from you." I cleared my calendar for Wed lunch and I was as anxious as a kid at Christmas.

She never called. I went back a month or so later - same proposition, almost verbatim. Still, no call. It took a half dozen times for me to realize that it was just better SS than I had ever been subjected to before. After that, I answered with the best CS that I could muster - "Instead of Chinese, why don't we have a picnic? I'll bring everything including wine and we can spend the afternoon together." I proposed gourmet lunches at expensive restaurants and anything else I could imagine. It became a challenge to come up with new and even more lavish lunch date than the time before. I knew that it never was going to happen - and so did she. It continued until she retired many years later. I miss her.

You have gotten good advice here. Enjoy the dances and take the SS for what it is.

slcdon

azdd
08-10-2007, 12:08 AM
The only smart thing I did was to give her my number and refuse hers. I told her - "Call me if you really want to do this; I won't show up if I don't hear from you."

You know what, that's brilliant! :worship:

I've jousted with several dancers over the years about OTC possibilities, and have wallowed in the temporary ego rush of them giving me their phone number. One in particular said she wanted to meet for breakfast, and to call her so I could pick her up. I made a complete fool of myself calling, no answer, calling, no answer-leave message, calling, no answer-leave another message, calling, sounding unbelievably desperate I'm sure. It would have been much smarter to just not have her number and put the ball in her court to call me. The only problem is that she was so freakin hot that I would probably still be sitting in that booth waiting for her call!

Of course I'm much wiser now and would never fall for such glorious SS! :duck:

mr_punk
08-10-2007, 01:01 PM
So what do I want? (2) with no more OTC-carrot-dangling from her, and no awkwardness due to either of us having to be rude to the other. How to get it? Head ITC tonight, get some great VIP dances, and politely decline any other offer. I suspect in time she'll stop asking to hang out OTC.LOL..i knew this wasn't going to work even before i read your TR. you're far too willing to put up with her crap and delivering a reality check by politely tickling her with a feather doesn't always work, lestat. sometimes, a baseball bat works wonders for getting the point across. repeat when necessary.

Day-um I had a great VIP!sure, until you get tired of her shit again.

lestat1
08-10-2007, 03:52 PM
Hehe, mr_p, I'm sure my VIP exploits are tame compared to your experiences, but my ATF's VIPs are just the level of mileage I'm looking for, and damned affordable too. While her OTC SS is tiring, with 100% consistency in giving me superb dances and VIP experiences over the years, isn't the business all that really matters? I'm damned happy with my trips ITC to see her, and that's where the money changes hands. When the business is that good, the rest is small stuff.

Katrine
08-10-2007, 04:42 PM
I told you what would happen 'stat, sweet dove. Kat will never steer you wrong. And moreover, I think you like it. Had it not been for your trusty pals here at SCJ, you probably wouldn't even be aware of what it actually is!

Our work here is done boys. :)

FBR
08-10-2007, 04:52 PM
In terms of pure mileage stat is getting a lot for the money he is spending . He's finally getting his arms around that, I think. Well done, young Jedi :)

FBR

FBR
08-10-2007, 06:46 PM
I am having Miss D withdrawals :-\ She's in Vegas with her girlfriend until Sunday. All I have are some pictures she recently gave me to keep me warm. OTOH though, I have gotten a lot of work done this week.

FBR

FBR
08-18-2007, 04:45 PM
Miss D has been jonesin' for a pearl white Escadale EXT for months now. I discouraged her because of the gas mileage. Plus her Mits Eclipse is paid for. Being practical, you know. So I was surprised when she called me to let me know she bought this EXT (http://vosscadillac.com/Preowned-Inventory.aspx?InventoryId=19429032) today. Low miles and very clean. She got a good deal on it (about 4K under retail) and is all excited about putting girly pink decorative lighting on it. I'm sure she will look good driving it around (she is very hot :P ) but I feel like her dad when thinking "Cars are generally bad investments especially when you can't write them off as a business expense".

Ah, to be 27 again and not worrying about that stuff.

FBR

Katrine
08-18-2007, 06:23 PM
And there drives off your retirement, with custom pink lights. ;)

FBR
08-18-2007, 07:09 PM
And there drives off your retirement, with custom pink lights. ;)

Kat LOL

Yeah I know. Miss D has been frugal over the years in terms of accumulating money. She put a large down payment on this toy and is already hinting for some help. I'm being mean and non-committal. I suppose I could say uh...here's three large...let's fuck. Not that I would do that of course.

FBR

Smokeless
08-19-2007, 09:45 PM
The true cost of OTC. Vague boundaries and open ended expectations. You say this gal is in graduate school? Doesn't show much sense.

Katrine
08-19-2007, 09:51 PM
She's in grad school, but getting a master's in poetry or some shit. Right FBR? Why is she "hinting" at help. Its her responsibility, and you know she can afford it if she's half the top-dog you say she is. Again, this is so much like a marriage. But I guess she's giving up even more than Mrs. FBR?

FBR
08-20-2007, 03:22 PM
^^^ Just to clarify she has her masters in English. She is working on her Ph.D in English composition and rhetoric and will be going on the job market this fall. I don't think college professors make all that much until they become tenured, though.

Kat, she may not be a club top dog at all. I believe she is but I don't have access to her financial records. I can only go by what she and others tell me. Oh, and as far as the sex vis a vis Mrs FBR goes, thats my business.


The true cost of OTC. Vague boundaries and open ended expectations. You say this gal is in graduate school? Doesn't show much sense. Tell us about all your OTC experiences and what you learned from them. I would be glad then to discuss the pros and cons with you. But I can't argue with your last statement though. Had she given me the opportunity, I would have tried to convince her to consider other alternatives.

FBR

Katrine
08-20-2007, 09:21 PM
^^^ Just to clarify she has her masters in English. She is working on her Ph.D in English composition and rhetoric and will be going on the job market this fall. I don't think college professors make all that much until they become tenured, though.

Kat, she may not be a club top dog at all. I believe she is but I don't have access to her financial records. I can only go by what she and others tell me. Oh, and as far as the sex vis a vis Mrs FBR goes, thats my business.
FBR

Rawr, kitten has claws! My statement was rhetorical.....

Howie
08-20-2007, 09:39 PM
I know I'm a cheap bastard, but I have a hard time believing that there is pussy or a car worth $30,000 or more.

xdamage
08-20-2007, 09:59 PM
^^^

Damn, I lust over a few cars I'd gladly pay far more then $30K for. I guess my priorities are out of wack.

Howie
08-20-2007, 10:28 PM
^^^

Damn, I lust over a few cars I'd gladly pay far more then $30K for. I guess my priorities are out of wack.

Lusting is one thing, but paying for cars in lieu of health insurance, retirement, mortgage, etc. is plain asinine. I've seen a few people driving $50,000 autos who lost their homes because they couldn't afford their lifestyle.

xdamage
08-20-2007, 10:39 PM
^^^

True, but I pay cash for cars. I hate being in debt and car payments. The house was too much to pay cash, but yea, people shouldn't buy shit they can't afford.

Katrine
08-21-2007, 05:55 AM
Lusting is one thing, but paying for cars in lieu of health insurance, retirement, mortgage, etc. is plain asinine. I've seen a few people driving $50,000 autos who lost their homes because they couldn't afford their lifestyle.

Me too! Especially in stripping, and even when I first changed to my financial firm. I would try to meet as many people as possible, and saw all this. Its a shame, the fabric of this country is coming apart...right in the middle!

xdamage
08-21-2007, 07:05 AM
^^^

Yep, and just to be clear, I'm 100% agreement with the idea that toys and luxuries come after one has paid for the more important things like retirement, insurance, kids college, mortgage, etc. Sadly too many people get their priorities backwards. Me, I'm one of those middle aged guys now who is slowly but surely reaping a few rewards, but in my younger years I lived very frugally.

FBR
08-21-2007, 06:04 PM
I know I'm a cheap bastard, but I have a hard time believing that there is pussy or a car worth $30,000 or more.

I don't think it makes you cheap. It's just that those items or activities aren't worth that price to you. Maybe if the number was, say, $10,000 it would be worth it :shrug:

It is pretty amazing what guys will pay and how they view the ROI. Certainly, it's pretty unanimous here that I pay way more than most would for what I get. The dancer I've mentioned earlier with the two big spending regulars keeps her boys coming back with VIP make out/pseudo high school back seat groping sessions. She doesn't see them OTC but they keep returning so clearly they are getting what they want or perhaps more likely, what they need.

FBR

FBR
08-21-2007, 06:09 PM
Rawr, kitten has claws! My statement was rhetorical.....

Kat, I didn't take it as such but I shouldn't have snapped atcha regardless. While I spew all sorts of stuff about Miss D (which is appropriate in this OTC thread and fair game for comments) I prefer not to get into discussions about my wife.

FBR

lestat1
08-21-2007, 08:01 PM
How odd, and I here I've had my eye on droppin $40,000 on my next car. Granted, I've got at least 5 more years until I'm ready to buy, and I'll have enough to buy it outright in 1-2 years. Mmmm Jaguar X-class (sure, it's the low-end poor man's Jaguar, but it's still nice). I'm a saver, this would be one of my rare splurge on something moments (VIPs excluded). ;)

Zyzzx
08-31-2007, 12:56 PM
Thanks to everyone for their replies. As I've said before I always listen to advice, then combine it with what I know and decide what to do.

Jenny,
I carefully avoided ever expressing a preference to her regarding customer versus friend. I said I would be fine with either one, but that "both" would be awkward. The truth, if I'm really honest with myself, puts my preferences like so:

(1) Friends with possibility of "more"
(2) Professional relationship
(3) Just friends

with (1) being way in the lead, and (2) and (3) very close.

A month ago I thought (1) and (3) had a one-in-a-million, and one-in-a-thousand chance, respectively. After a month of her flakiness and the advice on here, I think they're basically zero.

So what do I want? (2) with no more OTC-carrot-dangling from her, and no awkwardness due to either of us having to be rude to the other. How to get it? Head ITC tonight, get some great VIP dances, and politely decline any other offer. I suspect in time she'll stop asking to hang out OTC.

Sounds simple, stay tuned to see how it goes/went...


(If nothing else, I got to discuss drama for several pages, which is more excitement than I usually have! LOL)

No, you don't want 2, you want 1!

You're just feeling doubt and uneasiness because of the way she treated you. In part this is because of the way you have treated yourself, as well as her. By not stating firmly what it is that you want and putting it into terms like "whichever you prefer" she doesn't know exactly what you want and she is just mirroring your indecisiveness. You deserve, and she deserves too for you to make what you want clear. By being afraid to make a choice and stand by it you have disrespected the both of you. Her offer and your desire.

Frankly, I can't blame the girl. You don't seem to really care if she is your friend, why should she? Just my opinion, maybe I missed something. I'm coming from the frame that if you were her friend you would tell her off on her behavior, what person are you friends with would you put up with all that BS? So she knows you being her friend is just a game to you. A means to another end.

It may be too late here but in the future let it hang out what you want and be ok with whatever happens. You'll be happier that way. It has to be done in a way that let's her know if she says ok to #1 that it will have to be done in a way that respects you and your time, and you will hers in return. If not, she will never hear from you again.

Just lay it down, dude. Who gives a damn, there's so many women out there.

FBR
09-12-2007, 08:53 PM
Miss D officially goes on the job market 9/14 since she's in the last few months of her doctorate. She has already received an offer from a university in California. I teased her a bit about phone sex being our only option if she accepts the position. I was kidding, of course, but I think she took me seriously LOL

I've had a lot of fun in my happy world for the last three years. OK, not the Full Monty but pretty good for an old guy. But still, I don't think talking on the phone would be an acceptable substitute for my dick smacking around her lotion covered ass.

FBR

yoda57us
09-15-2007, 04:30 AM
I've had a lot of fun in my happy world for the last three years. OK, not the Full Monty but pretty good for an old guy. But still, I don't think talking on the phone would be an acceptable substitute for my dick smacking around her lotion covered ass.

FBR

FBR: I have a formerstripper-nowsecort-webcam lady that I've known for about three years. She lives in South Jersey and I see her when I travel to Philly or NYC for work. We tried the web cam thing a few times when she was taking a break from escorting last year. It was OK but when I saw her face to face again(and genital to genital) about a month ago I realized that the cam thing really wasn't doing it-not even close. I can't imagine a phone call doing it either.

I guess the moral to the story is enjoy OTC with that special gal while it lasts. Sooner or later these ladies move on with their lives and us old pervs wind up as a memory.
If it's any help, NJ lady replaced the gal before her who I thought could never be replaced. You never know what's gonna happen and when the next great lady will come along...I still miss them all.

FBR
09-15-2007, 05:07 PM
^^ Her committee requires that she apply to a minimum of 30 universities. She's working from a list of around 150 schools but not all have openings in her specific field. Some are within 3 hours or so of here...Purdue, Ball State, Univ of Ky, and a few others. But she's also applying to universities in Michigan, South Carolina, NY state, DC, Florida and other far away places. I'm confident she will make the right career choice whatever it turns out to be.

3 hours is workable although that distance would require more planning. And would obviously nix the spontaneous lunch or afternoon drinks which truly are enjoyable. But 6 or 8 or more hours would mean very, very occasional personal contact and as Yoda said, webcam/phone stuff grows tiresome quickly. And as I mentioned to her today at lunch it would be perfectly natural for her to settle into a whole new circle of friends in her new locale and lose touch with those she left behind.

Miss D is very attractive (I think Jay Z would attest..he has seen her pics :) ) plus she has the personality that works for me. I'm sure there are other strippers out there of equal merit but I don't know if I have the energy any more for the chase.

The next several months should be interesting.

FBR