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Katrine
09-15-2007, 06:29 PM
Well if you can't find an adequate opponent, I'll take that $30K/year you're saving and put it to work for you! ;)

FBR
09-15-2007, 06:34 PM
Well if you can't find an adequate opponent, I'll take that $30K/year you're saving and put it to work for you! ;)

Kat you are the voice of sensibility. I wish I had met you when you were...you know...a bad girl ;)

Much SCJ love,
FBR

SportsWriter2
09-16-2007, 06:24 AM
Kat you are the voice of sensibility. I wish I had met you when you were...you know...a bad girl ;)
I think she's hotter now that she's learned how to manage it.

mr_punk
09-16-2007, 06:58 AM
3 hours is workable although that distance would require more planning. And would obviously nix the spontaneous lunch or afternoon drinks which truly are enjoyable. But 6 or 8 or more hours would mean very, very occasional personal contact and as Yoda said, webcam/phone stuff grows tiresome quickly. And as I mentioned to her today at lunch it would be perfectly natural for her to settle into a whole new circle of friends in her new locale and lose touch with those she left behind.hold on, you're seriously comtemplating traveling 3 hours or more for a pseudo-booty call with a stripper? LOL..nice! i'm sure she's one quality piece of tail, FBR. still, i've never seen a beaver made of gold and encrusted with precious gems.

The next several months should be interesting.especially, if she ends up within a 3 hour driving range. ah, i can see you future now...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOaF8cxnjs0

yoda57us
09-17-2007, 05:39 PM
She's hinted that she will continue to strip. I think the problem is she has an established lifestyle which can't be supported by the money she will make teaching alone even at the college level. Tenure and the big bucks are way down the road, I imagine.



My favorite dancers and are all college graduates who still dance at least part time.

FBR
09-17-2007, 06:06 PM
My favorite dancers and are all college graduates who still dance at least part time.

I know several who are working on their bachelors. No masters but I can offer encouragement and I suppose money to help with books and tuition. Ph.D's are realistically off the table I imagine.

FBR

Howie
12-16-2007, 04:32 PM
I had just left a clients Christmas party on Friday afternoon and happened to drive by a local SC and decided to stop by. A dancer that I’d seen there the previous Saturday had wanted to meet me for lunch last week at an Italian restaurant that we both liked, but I didn’t hear from her so I chalked it up to SS.

As soon as I walked in she spotted me and came over to sit with me. I asked her if she had run out of time for lunch this last week and she got all offended because she said she was waiting for me to call and invite her. Told her I was expecting a call from her when she had time, but didn’t want to seem desperate by calling her. She said she was finished at 7pm that night and we could go then. I played along with her and said sure, call me when you get off and we can meet at the restaurant.

I didn’t expect a call, but around 7:15 she called and said she was on her way and asked where I was. Told her I was still at home and needed to get dressed. She said she’d just come to my house instead. My mind is screaming “FUCK NO”, but my mouth said no, I’ll be at the restaurant in 15 minutes, just wait at the bar for me. 15 minutes later I’m in the bar and she’s nowhere to be found. I waited about 10 minutes and decided fuck it, I’m going home. As I was walking to my car, I hear her calling for me. Said she had low blood sugar and had to stop to get something to eat on her way. Asked where I was heading and I told her that I was going to go home because I thought she stood me up. She got a little offended by my comment and I thought the evening would be downhill from there.

We went into the bar and had couple of drinks while waiting for a table. The conversation was strained and uncomfortable for me. She wasn’t the same friendly conversationalist that she was in the club. Asked her if she was tired working all day. She said no, why did I ask that? We got our table and dinner didn’t improve anything. I was counting down until I could say goodnight and head home. The food was great, but I didn’t enjoy it very much. She seemed bored and anxious to leave.

After we finished I was walking her to her car and she asked me for directions to my house. I kind of stammered and asked why she wanted that? She said in case she got lost while following me home. I asked what she wanted to do and she said we could cuddle and watch some movies. I was totaled befuddled at this point so I gave her some rough directions and headed home. We arrived at my house and she asked if I had any beer. I couldn’t remember if I had and after checking told her I was fresh out. Well she needed some beer, so I said I go to the corner quick mart and get her some. Not feeling comfortable leaving her in my house unattended, I told her to come with me. I got her some beer and going home we got comfortable on my couch and looked for a movie to watch.

I had some throw blankets on my couch and she wrapped herself up and asked me to take her boots off. After getting them off I started rubbing her feet and she told me to keep doing that as it felt really good. After 15 minutes my hands were starting to cramp and I quit much to her dismay. She was lying back on one side of the couch with her legs draped over my lap. After a while she said she was hot and leaned up and took off her shirt and then wrapped herself in the blanket again.

At this point I had no idea what she wanted to do or what she expected me to do. I decided to just watch the movie (Godfather Part 1). A little while later she was sound asleep and I was thinking what it would cost me to get her to leave.

After the movie ended I woke her up and asked if she would be more comfortable lying in a bed. She told me to go ahead, but she was fine where she was. I was about to suggest she leave but she was half asleep and I don’t think she wanted to go anywhere. Earlier she had told me that she was living with her parents and because of the ice storm last week that still didn’t have any power. So I went to bed.

Woke up around 7 and got up hoping she’d be gone, but no, she was still sound asleep on the couch. Thought I’d make some breakfast for us, but then I figured it’s be a wasted effort because she wouldn’t appreciate it. About 8:30 she got up to use the bathroom and came out to the kitchen where I was sitting reading the paper. She asked what I was going to do that day and I responding that I was going to my office to do some work. Asked if I would come by the club and have lunch with her. Told her I couldn’t because I was meeting a friend that day and had already made plans. She got dressed and I walked her out to her car and she left.

I hope she never decides to come by my house.

SportsWriter2
12-16-2007, 09:38 PM
Howie, stray animals always come back if you feed them and let them into your house. :-\

Casual Observer
12-16-2007, 09:39 PM
Dude, remember this incident and call upon in the future when your drama radar goes off.

Jenny
12-16-2007, 09:44 PM
That is the weirdest thing I've ever heard. How does this happen to you? I work with these women and even I don't get them sleeping on my couch.

Out of curiosity - would it count as a "holy grail" for a dancer to post an OTC thing? I mean, traditionally we don't think of it as being hard to convince a customer to take you home. It seems like "holy grail" might be a bit hyperbolic.

lestat1
12-16-2007, 10:43 PM
^^^ Not Holy Grail, but more like one of those "World's Best _____" coffee mugs. :P

FBR
12-17-2007, 07:08 PM
Out of curiosity - would it count as a "holy grail" for a dancer to post an OTC thing? I mean, traditionally we don't think of it as being hard to convince a customer to take you home. It seems like "holy grail" might be a bit hyperbolic.

Holy Grail implies a quest rather than a slam dunk. But I doubt any of the guys would object.

FBR

Katrine
12-17-2007, 07:49 PM
I thought holy great indicated you got to fuck a stripper. For free. And not in the VIP room. Am I wrong?

FBR
12-17-2007, 07:57 PM
I thought holy great indicated you got to fuck a stripper. For free. And not in the VIP room. Am I wrong?

Kat I don't think "free" was a rule. But I believe it has to be OTC to qualify.

FBR

SportsWriter2
12-18-2007, 05:37 AM
Out of curiosity - would it count as a "holy grail" for a dancer to post an OTC thing? I mean, traditionally we don't think of it as being hard to convince a customer to take you home.
Customers get the HG for the first encounter, dancers for the tenth (with the same guy, just to clarify).

Jenny
12-18-2007, 01:02 PM
Customers get the HG for the first encounter, dancers for the tenth (with the same guy, just to clarify).
Well. It is generally pretty hard for me to convince a guy to sleep with me more than once. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong. I'll let you know when I get there.

SportsWriter2
12-18-2007, 03:54 PM
Kat I don't think "free" was a rule.
Correct: "free" was not a rule. Probably because the "$200 afternoon" is less expensive in the long run.


But I believe it has to be OTC to qualify.
Again correct, and beyond the club parking lot. Lot stuff is just drunken impulse.


Well. It is generally pretty hard for me to convince a guy to sleep with me more than once. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong. I'll let you know when I get there.
One got to eight with me in the summer of '04, but then she moved to FL, so I have no clue either. :-\

FBR
12-19-2007, 09:24 PM
I thought I was going to be busy into the early evening, but I guess my customers don't have my work ethic. I tried to confirm my last two appointments but both were canceled by the clients. Family obligations. Christmas shopping. Etc..you know. Neither appointments would have been immediate big money makers...just end of year schmoozing and customer suck ups opportunities. I was fine with the cancellations and both customers were relieved that I wasn't pissed.

I considered going home early but..nahhh. Instead I called Miss D. Got her voice mail but she called back a few minutes later. I told her about my suddenly free window and asked if she wanted to have a late afternoon cuppa soup and drinks. I guess I caught her at a good time because she readily agreed. We talked about several locations but settled on Chilli's since it was a few miles away from the already Christmas shopping horrendous Mall traffic.

After agreeing on a meeting time, we hung up. I rolled in that direction and pulled into a fairly empty lot. Good. I hate dining crowds. I went in, ignored the greeter and headed for the bar. I was hoping for my favorite bartender but instead got the second string. My fav was waiting tables. But Brian was alright. He knew what we usually order and had the drinks front and center in a couple of minutes.

I was watching something on CNN when Miss D arrived. I don't remember now what it was but it was pretty engrossing, I guess. Probably something political. So when Miss D nudged me I was like "Oh...hi hon" and not in my best SCJ form. I recovered OK and she sat on the barstool next to me.

We chatted about this and that...I won't bore you with the details. Brian came over and took our orders. Me a bowl of chilie (since I wasn't that hungry) and Miss D a buffalo chicken salad. The food was good and well, the company was even better. We did make arrangement for a Saturday though :P

After we were done, I signaled Brian for the check. While I was waiting for the check Miss D said "I got you another Christmas present". I thought that was strange. The book she gave me was fine. I tried to raise one eyebrow (I'm not good at that) and she laughed " No really...I wanted to get you something else. Just hush. It's not a big deal".

After paying the check, I walked her out to her car. We exchanged hugs. "I should just give it to you now" she said indicating the gift was in the car. I told her no. Save it for Saturday.

We both rolled out of the parking lot and waved at one another. It was nice. But I am curious what she bought me.

FBR

Jenny
12-19-2007, 10:04 PM
It's sex. You should have taken it now. Now she has a chance to change her mind and tell you she returned it.

FBR
12-19-2007, 10:15 PM
Jenny, you are too kind. I wish it was sex. It was probably a pair of christmas socks.

FBR

yoda57us
12-20-2007, 07:52 AM
Jenny, you are too kind. I wish it was sex. It was probably a pair of christmas socks.

FBR

On the other hand, if it turns out to be a box of condoms, you're in dude!

SportsWriter2
12-20-2007, 01:10 PM
It's sex.


.... if it turns out to be a box of condoms, you're in dude!
It's condoms for protected sex, because when she leaves, she needs to know that no one can replace her.

Practice saying it with feeling: "Dee, no one can ever replace you." :)

Jenny
12-20-2007, 01:47 PM
Jenny, you are too kind. I wish it was sex. It was probably a pair of christmas socks.

FBR
Well by now she's totally returned your socks as well. So now you have no sex and cold feet.

Should have just accepted at the time.

FBR
12-22-2007, 02:29 PM
Well, it was a business casual, button up shirt. And she got my size right. I tried it on for her at the RR today and I looked pretty good in it for an old fucker. Glad it wasn't Christmas socks.

I appreciate the sex and condoms suggestions and I admit that I would have liked those even better than the shirt. The sex would have been easily disguised but hiding a box of condoms would have been problematic.

FBR

FBR
01-23-2008, 11:25 PM
Had drinks and a bite to eat late this afternoon with Miss D and her new stripper friend Miss A. Miss A is a newbie dancer and is just learning the ropes. She's pretty cute in a willowy kind of way. Anyways, Miss D went to the ladies and while she was gone Miss A turned the burner up a notch or two. I stayed friendly but reserved...I mean...it could have been a test. Plus I always keep the "bird in the hand" theory in mind. But assuming it wasn't a co-conspiracy I wonder how long it will be before they are clawing each other's eyeballs out ;)

FBR

Jenny
01-24-2008, 12:17 AM
FBR; you are so naive.

Why would she "test" you? What does she have to gain? She's neither in 7th grade nor your girlfriend - I mean she already knows that you aren't faithful what with being married and all.

Does she normally invite other dancers out on your "dates"? Offhand, if I were hypothesizing, I might think you were getting "passed off." I can't imagine why I would, as a professional girlfriend, invite another professional girlfriend out with a paying client; similarly I can't imagine why I'd want to go; I'd be all "meet you for lunch with a customer... thanks I'd rather stay home and watch the movie network." Of course I'm unfriendly; maybe to other people this is normal?

FBR
01-24-2008, 12:54 AM
FBR; you are so naive.

Why would she "test" you? What does she have to gain? She's neither in 7th grade nor your girlfriend - I mean she already knows that you aren't faithful what with being married and all.

Does she normally invite other dancers out on your "dates"? Offhand, if I were hypothesizing, I might think you were getting "passed off." I can't imagine why I would, as a professional girlfriend, invite another professional girlfriend out with a paying client; similarly I can't imagine why I'd want to go; I'd be all "meet you for lunch with a customer... thanks I'd rather stay home and watch the movie network." Of course I'm unfriendly; maybe to other people this is normal?

Jenny I am faithful in my unfaithfulness. I only fool around with one stripper at a time. You know that. I'm hurt that you would suggest otherwise.

As far as Miss D inviting her...I dunno. They had their hair done simultaneously at the same place prior to the late lunch so maybe it was a girl convenience thing and they both happened to be hungry.

Anyways, now you have made me depressed. Thank you for being mean. But I guess I was owed that one.

FBR

Jenny
01-24-2008, 12:58 AM
Why would that depress you? Attractive, willowy fresh meat that might actually put out. I think that sounds positively cheery. Come on. Chin up, mate.

SportsWriter2
01-24-2008, 08:50 PM
FBR, go to tiava.com and find the FFM movies. Study them like game films, because that's where you're gonna be same time next month. :O

Katrine
01-25-2008, 11:56 AM
Isn't Miss D leaving to work at a uni outside of your town? Perhaps she was doing the courteous thing and trying to ensure you are not lonely upon her departure.

Either way....there is about a .5% chance that this was a test. She isn't your girlfriend!

Also, back when I danced, I couldn't stop flirting with anyone and everyone, all the time. It was difficult to get out of the "stripper mode" sometimes. Especially around sexy, older men that reeked of prestige, not unlike yourself. If we apply the rule of parsimony, the other girl was probably flirting because she could. Skills, like talons, always need sharpening and refining! You might have been her scratching post. ;)

yoda57us
01-25-2008, 04:10 PM
Had drinks and a bite to eat late this afternoon with Miss D and her new stripper friend Miss A. Miss A is a newbie dancer and is just learning the ropes. She's pretty cute in a willowy kind of way. Anyways, Miss D went to the ladies and while she was gone Miss A turned the burner up a notch or two. I stayed friendly but reserved...I mean...it could have been a test. Plus I always keep the "bird in the hand" theory in mind. But assuming it wasn't a co-conspiracy I wonder how long it will be before they are clawing each other's eyeballs out ;)

FBR

Dude, maybe she wants a threesome!;)

FBR
01-25-2008, 06:25 PM
Isn't Miss D leaving to work at a uni outside of your town? Perhaps she was doing the courteous thing and trying to ensure you are not lonely upon her departure. I dunno whats going on with it, Kat. The last I heard she is going back and forth with Ball State and U of Michigan. She could commute to Ball State but not Michigan. So maybe she is leaning towards Michigan and unbeknownst to me is doing a subtle pass off.


Dude, maybe she wants a threesome! ;) Ha! Well, I've made my preference for straight women pretty clear ;)

FBR

Casual Observer
01-25-2008, 07:58 PM
Plus I always keep the "bird in the hand" theory in mind.

Dude, you don't have the bird in the hand. Your definition of P4P is rather incomplete, compared to more objective standards of performance.

Jenny
01-25-2008, 08:03 PM
Wouldn't it be sort of funny if it turned out that she has three of you, and she was never as reliant on your income as you thought? She probably got three tvs this christmas. She returned yours, or put it in the bathroom or something.

FBR
01-25-2008, 08:26 PM
Dude, you don't have the bird in the hand. Your definition of P4P is rather incomplete, compared to more objective standards of performance.

CO I understand your point and I can see how my behavior regarding Miss D seems lame. I have fucked a few strippers (all for money though just to clarify that I'm not trying to come across as a studmuffin who can get stripper pussy for free). I admit I have let Miss D nuke what I know is the POP index.


Wouldn't it be sort of funny if it turned out that she has three of you, and she was never as reliant on your income as you thought? She probably got three tvs this christmas. She returned yours, or put it in the bathroom or something. Actually, no Jenny. I don't think that would be funny at all.

FBR

Jenny
01-25-2008, 08:34 PM
Actually, no Jenny. I don't think that would be funny at all.

FBR
In a few months when you are actually fucking this new chick in exchange for slightly less money you'll see the humour. Oh, oh - and then, to maintain your control over the relationship you can occasionally sigh and say things like "You know, you're no Miss D." Keep her on her toes.

FBR
01-25-2008, 08:41 PM
In a few months when you are actually fucking this new chick in exchange for slightly less money you'll see the humour. Oh, oh - and then, to maintain your control over the relationship you can occasionally sigh and say things like "You know, you're no Miss D." Keep her on her toes.

Oh, oh - and since you got me on a roll, Miss D is a squirter. Which is any guys best dream. Should I just throw that into the mix too...you know..just to really create a challenge for the new chick?

Jenny, I am so glad you jumped into this thread. Your ideas are inspirational.

FBR

Jenny
01-25-2008, 08:58 PM
Well, I'm all about the female manipulation.

SportsWriter2
01-26-2008, 11:07 AM
The last I heard she is going back and forth with Ball State and U of Michigan.
FBR, trust me, your worst case scenario is the Red Roof Inn in Findlay. :)

Katrine
01-26-2008, 06:28 PM
Oh, oh - and since you got me on a roll, Miss D is a squirter. Which is any guys best dream.

Really? Why?

yoda57us
01-26-2008, 06:50 PM
Oh, oh - and since you got me on a roll, Miss D is a squirter. Which is any guys best dream. Should I just throw that into the mix too...you know..just to really create a challenge for the new chick?


Sorry FBR, not my fantasy at all. I got hit once when I was south of the border and it left me scared for life...or at least until I found another gal that loved DATY and wasn't a squirter...


Really? Why?

Beats the heck out of me Kat. I know a girl who does web cam and way more than half the guys who log on ask her if she squirts before they pony-up the three dollars a minute to watch her...she doesn't and still does OK so it must not be a deal-breaker but it does seem to be on a lot of guy's minds.../:O

Jenny
01-26-2008, 07:32 PM
^^^
I think it's tied into the idea that "she can't fake it".
I don't find many guys have a particularly good intuitive sense about paid sexuality.

Katrine
01-26-2008, 07:46 PM
Sure she can fake it. She can just pee!

yoda57us
01-26-2008, 07:48 PM
^^^
I think it's tied into the idea that "she can't fake it".
I don't find many guys have a particularly good intuitive sense about paid sexuality.

I never thought about it that way but it makes perfect sense! I agree, many guys who pay for sex have extreme issues with the fact that the woman's enjoyment will not always be genuine. Threads pop up on TER discussion boards frequently among guys who claim that all orgasms by providers are faked and providers who tell them that is not necessarily the case.
Squirting would certainly be a very visual end result of an actual orgasm (God forbid the guy should pay enough attention to KNOW if the lady is having a good time but that is of course why a lot of guys are paying to begin with)

Then again, there is a whole school of thought that says squirting is just peeing...

yoda57us
01-26-2008, 07:50 PM
Sure she can fake it. She can just pee!




Then again, there is a whole school of thought that says squirting is just peeing...

Damn!;)

Katrine
01-27-2008, 02:05 PM
You and I yoda. We are one kindred spirit.

FBR
01-27-2008, 03:19 PM
Sure she can fake it. She can just pee!

Kat, I should not have described her as a "squirter". Very bad choice of words on my part. I know the fake porn stuff you are referring to. What I should have said was that she ejects a considerable girl juice when she cums. Which is affirmation (to me) that she isn't faking her pleasure. But it doesn't shoot out of her pussy like a fire hose. More like a nicely warm and gentle stream :P

Yoda, I assume that you were thinking along the same lines as Kat but that you do enjoy a woman who gets really, really juicy.

Having argued the merits of physical evidence of her satisfaction, one could make the case that her pleasure or lack thereof is irrelevant considering that it is play for pay anyway and not a true romantic relationship.


I think it's tied into the idea that "she can't fake it".
I don't find many guys have a particularly good intuitive sense about paid sexuality.

That hits home. My first wife faked it for 3 years. I was clueless and bought into all her moaning and moving around and relied more on my delusions of husband/wife bonding, hearth and home etc. Now I guess I rely on physical evidence.

FBR

Katrine
01-27-2008, 04:35 PM
Having argued the merits of physical evidence of her satisfaction, one could make the case that her pleasure or lack thereof is irrelevant considering that it is play for pay anyway and not a true romantic relationship.


Not irrelevant at all. Most men care about the provider's pleasure as an indicator of their own prowess and virility. Most johns are like you and yoda than like Punkita or aggied.

FBR
01-27-2008, 05:12 PM
Not irrelevant at all. Most men care about the provider's pleasure as an indicator of their own prowess and virility. Most johns are like you and yoda than like Punkita or aggied.

Kat I agree. But with a qualifier that Punk's SCJ published escapades have been confined to the club. Perhaps OTC he is a lover par excellence. He never talks about it so it is a mystery.

But still, and back to my point, why should we care? I mean, I pay Miss D 5 small for an RR. Honest to god, she cums 3-5 times. I cum once. If I put forth way less effort and she only cummed once or maybe not at all, would she refuse the next appointment? I mean, to do so because of infrequent cums could be an admission that there is a component beyond the money.

I'd be interested in your and other opinions on that. Of course, I will still continue to try and set a new record. She has yet to cum six times }:D

FBR

Jenny
01-27-2008, 05:25 PM
Well, FBR - make use of your intuition there. Do you think the money or the orgasm is what is motivating her? I have actually tried to explain the entire thing to a couple guys; the responses I get range from full out blank looks to "You know what, I trust you - I don't get it, but I'm sure you're right." Guys have difficulty with this because they really cannot intuitively connect to the idea that their sexuality might not be an end in and of itself, but a means for someone else. I think it is a socialization thing.

I mean, my nerve endings don't turn off when I'm giving a lapdance. But it is a different quality of experience - much the way you might see jerking off as a different quality experience to getting off with a partner. I mean you reach orgasm - but it's not the same. It is generally a more mechanical experience; it is not the same as having a recreational encounter. I am only one sex worker; do with my experience, and the experiences of the women with whom I've discussed the matter, what you will.