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yoda57us
05-09-2008, 11:41 AM
There is one other little detail: They are mother and daughter, and yes they live in the same house.

While everything, excepting for the "helping" part, is totally legal [both situations very much mutual consenting adults] I just don't know where this is heading. Both are very sort of free spirits. Very much "free love" types. Sort of like hippies that fell through the crack of time into the early 21st century. So who knows... Mom might be totally cool about it. Then again...

I know her daughter has no plans on sharing this bit of info with her mother. I know the mother doesn't talk about what she does with me with her daughter. They never dance on the same days in this club because neither wants to see the other work. I suppose I could go on for some time with neither finding out about it.

I'm standing close to the edge of a ledge here and I'm concerned I may fall off of it. If I haven't already. It's not like I fear any harm coming to me, and I know I mean none to either of them. It could blow up my favorite place to just sit and look at pretty women dance in bikinis, and the "ugly custie" factor isn't lost on me.

I might be asking for even more trouble but I'll open the floor, and my mind, to suggestions from the assembled.


It seems to me that you are making an awfully big deal out of two women that you pay for sex.

If you like them both, keep paying them both and enjoy! Neither one needs to know what the other is up to. If they "see" customers outside of the club I would assume they both know how to be discrete.

If it feels weird then I guess you have to decide to stop seeing on or both of them.

A threesome? I wouldn't go there, or ask about going there, but thats just me...

Golden_Rule
05-10-2008, 04:49 PM
It seems to me that you are making an awfully big deal out of two women that you pay for sex.

I'm not making any deal of it, yet. I can just see potential issues that could pop up from this. Not the least of which, if I want to be totally selfish about it, is that it might blow up my favorite place to sit and have a beer and a sandwich while watching pretty women dance around on a small stage.

Actually, to be precise, it is to watch pretty women and kibitz with the locals, as well as the dancers, as the atmosphere in this place is "local neighborhood bar". Everyone is local. Everyone knows everyone else. Dancers included.

BTW, understand that while the thing with the mother was very much calculated and knowing on both our parts, the thing with the daughter was very spur of the moment. We had a couple of friendly lunches. Talked about life, etc. No money exchanged, just paid for lunch. Just time spent in the company of an intelligent and attractive young woman who seemed interested in what an older man had to say about things. Very pleasant. Very platonic. This third lunch was going to be no different until she tugged on my sleeve as we were passing a motel and pointed at it and suggested we stop.

Also, for the record, this singular encounter with the daughter was not
P4P. I certainly had decided to myself I had to do something to show my appreciation for a very pretty woman who was so sweet to a man 2.5 times her age but I haven't done so yet and she wouldn't know about said gift till it was handed to her. I was thinking, up until I decided this is not a good ideaclothes shopping perhaps. [Side Note: Not the gift, but going out again - for I am sure that as much as I am aware, after the fact, that this has too much "Jerry Springer" potential to be worthwhile I am equally sure that if after clothes shopping she tugged at my sleave again while pasing a motel we'd wind up doing the same thing as last time - She's just far to pretty and I'm not the strong willed ]

In comparrison, every sexual encounter with the mother was P4P. Just in the typical dancer/client I paid a bill for her sort of thing rather than "its $200/hr" sort of dealing you have with a "professional".

yoda57us
05-10-2008, 05:05 PM
I'm not making any deal of it, yet. I can just see potential issues that could pop up from this. Not the least of which, if I want to be totally selfish about it, is that it might blow up my favorite place to sit and have a beer and a sandwich while watching pretty women dance around on a small stage.

Dude, I read your post OK, I was born at night but not last night... you are making a big deal out of it HERE even if you haven't at the club. If you view it as simply "ho hum, just another day at the strip club, I fucked a mother and her daughter" then why all the angst in your post? OK, no big deal, ok, whatever you say...


Actually, to be precise, it is to watch pretty women and kibitz with the locals, as well as the dancers, as the atmosphere in this place is "local neighborhood bar". Everyone is local. Everyone knows everyone else. Dancers included.

Well, whatever, then why did you get involved with either of them? Did either of them drag you to their bedroom and force you to have sex with them? I didn't think so...

Dirty Ernie
05-11-2008, 09:35 AM
My guess is the daughter simply put your sex encounter in her back pocket, as a card to possibly be played in the future should it be necessary. That mother-daughter dynamic probably functions on a level even junkies couldn't grasp.

Golden_Rule
05-12-2008, 12:16 AM
Dude, I read your post OK, I was born at night but not last night... you are making a big deal out of it HERE even if you haven't at the club. If you view it as simply "ho hum, just another day at the strip club, I fucked a mother and her daughter" then why all the angst in your post? OK, no big deal, ok, whatever you say...



Well, whatever, then why did you get involved with either of them? Did either of them drag you to their bedroom and force you to have sex with them? I didn't think so...


You get a charge out of being 180 degrees opposite anything I say don't you? :)

There is a medium between "La de da" and "the sky is falling".

I am not falling about over this. The angst you read into my words isn't angst at all. Just reasonable, and genuine, concern for perhaps going a bit too far in the "scumbag" department. Surprising myself in the process because I am usually very open and above board with people I am having sex with, paid or unpaid. I withheld pertinent info before diving in with the daughter ["Hey, BTW, I happen to be having sex on a regular basis with your Mom. If that is cool with you let's go get that motel room you mentioned?"].

I do have a conscience you know. It wasn't quite on full alert when I decided to take said 19 year up on her offer to knock boots, but it exists.

What it boils down to is three things: 1) I realized that even if it was totally cool with them its not really cool with me [would have been nice if I came to that conclusion BEFORE I did it] and 2) if it isn't cool with either of them [which would seem the more likely scenario] I have contributed to a possible issue between mother and daughter. Both of whom are people I happen to like and frequent a place I regularly frequent as well, thus making it potentially uncomfortable for all of us if each should find out about the other. Again, something I reasoned out after the fact... dick thinking as I was at the time.

And that is the #3: I usually have my head solidly in the game. I don't have to deal with this stuff after the fact because I don't make mistakes in playing these very adult games. I'd thought I'd learned too much over the years to still be doing "amateur night". I made this particular decision with my dick. Very unlike me. It gives me pause. Only a very small amount, mind you, but pause just the same.

All reasons enough to be mildly concerned. At least in my book. Your book is, well, your book and you are free to read it any way you like. While I invited open critique and opinion I'd prefer it be constructive if you don't mind. Not too much to ask, I'd hope. :)

yoda57us
05-12-2008, 04:23 AM
You get a charge out of being 180 degrees opposite anything I say don't you? :)


Well, yeah, I thought that was obvious. At any rate, my point, and my only point here is that I think you are making a big deal out of a couple of very simple exchanges of money for sex. If it is more than that to either you or one or more of the two women involved then yeah, I guess you've go a problem.

I won't say I totally can't relate. I've had to avoid certain clubs for a while over dancer drama but I just don't see it as that big of a deal. If the girls hate you in club A you go to club B for a while. If you really miss club A you go back and deal with having a couple of women pissed at you. They certainly are not the only two dancers in the club and as long as you have a wallet with cash in it you will always be able to find female companionship in a strip club. See, simple! That's what works for me GR.

I can't help it if you insist on complicating your strip club experience GR but, if you are going to post about it here, I am going to contribute my 2 cents to the discussion...

Again, for the umpteen millionth time. You do not get to determine how people respond to your posts here. If you don't consider my contribution to your topic here worthwhile I can't help that. I have managed to spend a fair amount of time in strip clubs, have a large amount of fun and remain pretty much drama-free for about 25 years. When you show up here talking about your experiences I am going to respond with whatever pops into my head based on MY experiences and what works for me.

If you don't find that constructive I can live with that...

Golden_Rule
05-13-2008, 03:56 PM
We both can.

Live with that, that is.

Wouldn't keep me from buying you a beer if we ever met up when both of us were in the Philly area.

yoda57us
05-13-2008, 04:41 PM
We both can.

Live with that, that is.

Wouldn't keep me from buying you a beer if we ever met up when both of us were in the Philly area.

It so happens I have a steady pay 4 play gal in the Philly area so I am there from time to time...

We would probably spend 20 minutes arguing over bottled vs. draft...

Golden_Rule
05-21-2008, 06:01 PM
It so happens I have a steady pay 4 play gal in the Philly area so I am there from time to time...

We would probably spend 20 minutes arguing over bottled vs. draft...

Bottled. Unless the place cleans its draft pipes regularly. And no cans. Aluminum is bad for ya. Causes alzheimer's. :)

FBR
05-30-2008, 07:42 PM
It's probably me. I'm grumpy and everyone else seems grumpy to me. Tomorrow I am going to lotion lube up Miss D at the RR and get both of us off. I hope I leave the session with a better attitude than I have now.

FBR

FBR
06-01-2008, 06:18 PM
Miss D invited me to a cook out this coming Saturday. Deja vous all over again. Why does she do that? I'm pretty sure she really doesn't want to intro me to her friends. And I will give her money regardless. Good SS, I suppose, since I am thinking about it.

FBR

yoda57us
06-01-2008, 07:06 PM
Miss D invited me to a cook out this coming Saturday. Deja vous all over again. Why does she do that? I'm pretty sure she really doesn't want to intro me to her friends. And I will give her money regardless. Good SS, I suppose, since I am thinking about it.

FBR

LOL, She knows that you will give her money FBR. I don't think it's about SS...Have you asked her how she would explain you to her friends.

"This is FBR, my lotion buddy" :)

FBR
06-01-2008, 07:55 PM
LOL, She knows that you will give her money FBR. I don't think it's about SS...Have you asked her how she would explain you to her friends.

"This is FBR, my lotion buddy" :)



LOL I was thinking the same thing.

Her parting comments Saturday (after RR lotion fun and 5 cums on her scorecard) was that she would "call me" with the details of the cook out. She might but I think she was just feeling juicy and post orgasmic.

Visualize FBR at a cookout being...ummm...twenty years older than everyone else. If I can pull it off I will post.

FBR

Golden_Rule
07-03-2008, 03:14 AM
A not truly outside the club experience. [Call it an "off the clock" experience]

Two weeks prior to last Wednesday afternoon I am sitting about trying to figure out what to do with myself so I call up a gal pal stripper friend of mine and ask if she is as bored as I am. She says yes, so I ask her what she feels like being up to? She says she wouldn't mind hanging out for a bit at the club she works at.

So around 9pm I pick her up and we head down to the place she works which is located in NW-NJ. There is a place called "The Office" on US 22 not too far from there so we stop to eat first. It's a pals night out and we go dutch.

Hit the club. Walk in and say hellos to management, bartenders, DJ, dancers, order up some drinks and take a seat away from the tip rail.

I like hanging out with this woman. She is truly fun because she speaks her mind and lets you speak yours without drama and head games. We are talking about life and craziness, etc, and the subject turns to this new dancer that has hit the stage. Ms Galpal is man friendly but certain types of women truly attract her attention. This dancer is brunette, short, and pale skinned. Precisely my very blond gal pal's type. I know this and offer her my tip roll to go play at the tip rail. She readily, and greedily, accepts because all of a sudden she is in the mood for a different kind of talking. The kind that money makes. :)

While I keep my seat Ms Gal goes up to the tip rail and earnestly pays homage to the dancer's form by providing constant appreciation in the form of a free flow of cash. Enough so that I start to worry that my tip roll is going to expire prematurely that evening. She lightens up some by the third song of the set and comes back to the table announcing that her new friend is going to come over for a drink after she freshens up in the changing room.

About five minutes later Ms Dancer comes over, makes introductions and asks if she can sit down. Before I can say boo Ms Gal says sure. I'm laughing to myself. Man, she is acting just like a "custie". She is in full blown "girl crush" mode and I'm having an internal fit of the giggles.

I do precisely what I know I should and do my best to become a mere fly on the wall. Unless Ms Dancer addresses me directly, which she does to ask if she can have another drink after her first, and again when she finally takes her leave to dance other set, I keep mum. They talk about how she likes dancing there. Her outfit [which Ms Gal gushes over so much it truly tips her hand], and other bits of mutual reference.

When she leaves to go back on stage she swivels and gives me the goo-goo eyes and fairly swoons. I say, "Relax girl friend. You just met this woman." She says she's in love- though I know she means lust. She wants to run back up to the rail and I tell her she is acting like every pitiful customer I've ever heard her make mention of or observed with my own eyes. She puts her head down and makes a bit of a whimper but knows I'm being straight up with her. She resolves to watch and sip her drink. I remind her that if Ms Dancer is interested she'll be back after the set.

I've never seen my friend act this way. I can't decide if I am concerned for her or giddy at watching this unfold. Maybe a little of both. It is rare I get to witness, first hand, a woman melting down over another woman.

The set finishes and Ms Dancer leaves the stage. She disappears and is no where to be seen for about 15 minutes. Our small talk is strained and it is so very obvious that her eyes are darting about looking to see where her new interest might be. My friend is starting to make little circles with her finger nail on the back of her other hand hard enough that it leaves a visible tracing along the route it takes. She is smiling a lot though.

Finally, coming from the direction of the locker room is Ms Dancer heading directly towards us and... and... bringing with her three beverages. She has purchased a round. Oh my... I have to presume that this means she is at least feeling cordial toward my friend. I actually feel very good for her. Ms Gal's eyes light up like a Christmas tree. [Do all women get this goo-goo when they do the lust at first sight thing? Its so bizarre. :) ]

She presents her gift, we thank her, she sits, they talk more. I start thinking delightfully evil thoughts, as is my nature to do under such circumstances. Now I am sure if Ms Gal offers to purchase a dance from Ms Dancer that would be awkward indeed, as it puts their meeting in a whole other plain, but if the tacky gentleman friend does it... well, he's just a guy and can be excused his tacky behavior. I tell Ms Dancer and Ms Gal that nothing in this world would please me more at that moment that purchasing a dance for my friend. Ms Gal goes beat red in the face in a nanosecond. The funny thing is I look at Ms Dancer and her face is almost the same hue. Oh this is just TOOO MUCH FUN! There is a mild bit of hemming and hawing but no one is saying no. I push a little bit further... Just a little. OK... if it would really make "me" happy, and off they go. I order another beer and wait to see if their chemistry goes beyond small talk.

About 20 minutes later [I paid for a four-five minute lap dance] two women are walking back to the table in that side by side, almost in unison gait gal pals get, wearing the goofiest grins. They both sit but it is only a moment before Ms Dancer has to take her leave again.

I SOOOOO much want to ask for details, but I know it would be horribly uncool to do so. I sit and wait and give my friend a chance to collect her thoughts and tell me what she wants. Finally she turns to me and thanks me for purchasing the dance. She says they hit it off quite well and made preliminary plans to hang out together the following Monday night. I ask her if she got to the point where they exchanged numbers? She says yes. She truly wants to stay, but I tell her that if plans were made to move this outside the club that the club is the wrong place to be right now so we finish up our drinks, say goodbye to everyone and leave.

On the ride home we talk about some other stuff but mostly about her new friend. This woman is usually so down to earth and a straight shooting, takes it as good as she dishes it out, level headed type and she is suddenly acting like precisely what she is at this moment - a rather young woman with a very big crush who just got asked out [did the asking?] by the hot and heavy subject of her amorous attention.

I dropper her off and drove myself home to internal fits of my own heady chuckling. Imagine, playing yenta for a couple of exotic dancers. How cool and funny is that. A delightful time.

She called me yesterday. Seems they have past the hanging out stage and are officially "dating". Because she is a friend of mine I remind her of the sometimes consequences of dating someone who works in the same club but added I am very happy for her if this is what she wants. She told me not to worry. She only works there two days a week and they don't cross days.

Ah, young hearts in lust... :)

FBR
07-26-2008, 04:15 PM
Had an excellent RR lotion fun with Miss D this afternoon. Underneath her capri's and shirt she had on a really hot bra and panty set she got from Vickys the other day. It looked much like the attached photo except it was red and the V of the thong was a lot smaller. She told me she bought it just for me and gave me a nice show by making some sexy stripper moves. I was pretty stunned (in a good way) but the momentary bumfuzzledment didn't stop me from recovering and removing the thong with my teeth and then diving into the goodies. But still, this seems to me like a relationship changing event. I mean, she has never admitted to buying something just for me.

FBR

yoda57us
07-26-2008, 05:48 PM
I like the whole idea of removing the thong with your teeth FBR...Nice touch!

Chili Palmer
07-26-2008, 06:12 PM
Unfortunately, at the time his teeth were still in a glass by the bed, so it kinda ruined the mood... :gnasher:

FBR
07-27-2008, 07:13 PM
Unfortunately, at the time his teeth were still in a glass by the bed, so it kinda ruined the mood... :gnasher:

Leave it to CP to make me clarify.

My teeth were in when I removed her thong. They were in the bedside glass when I dove into the goodies. Just a quick sleight of hand across my mouth and a quick kerplunk into the water. She barely noticed the transition.

FBR

lestat1
07-31-2008, 10:37 PM
Well, following a club visit that included blatant extras by anyone's definition, I find myself approaching OTC land. I'm not sure how this happened; I've gotten many dances from this particular dancer over the years (not my ATF, but probably #3 or #4), although usually not this many, and I never ask for anything extra. I just sit back and enjoy and this time it seems she was either priming me for OTC or I just stumbled upon an upgrade at this number of dances and level of tipping. *shrug* So I tipped well upfront, knowing from past experience that she delivers and even extends the private dance session with an after-dance massage. "Massage" seemed to be a key component this time.

It seems I am tense. I have a lot of muscle knots, I could use a massage, y'know? Like a full body massage, or so she tells me. I agree, I actually have had a stiff neck for almost two weeks now. A massage would be great. "You should tell me your schedule." Yeah, I should. "So I can give you a massage." Seems reasonable, says I. "A full body massage is very relaxing." Can't argue with that logic. "Especially with hot oil. It'd be good for you." Sure, sounds theraputic if you ask me. "You should give me your schedule so when I'm in town I can give you a massage." Alrighty then. Well I don't have a business card, but she had a pad of paper from her hotel with the hotel key inside ( was this a hint that I was supposed to ask something? ). If I remember from a past dance with her, she travels between here and the city, hence the hotel key and pad (in my naive mind). So I write down my schedule of when it's best to reach me, my cell number, and first name. "I'll call you, or text you. This is your cell, right?" Yep.

Want to know how badly I fail at life? I get home and realize that wasn't my cell phone number, that was home. Doh! I quickly change the answering machine message to not include my last name. At this point, I figure 1 in 5 chance the phone mistake will put an end to all this when she tries to text and fails, 1 in 5 chance she'll never call anyway, 1 in 5 chance if she calls the devil on my shoulder will win and I actually do something naughty, and a 2 in 5 chance even if she does call the angel on my shoulder will win and I won't venture into OTC territory. Time will tell. Meanwhile I stand on a precipice. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood...

lezmaka
08-01-2008, 12:32 AM
I get home and realize that wasn't my cell phone number, that was home. Doh!

It may not matter, depending on who she has for cell service. I know Sprint has a "text to landline" thing which converts text messages to voice. Other wireless providers may have something similar as well.

http://www.sprintpcs.com/common/popups/pop-txt2landline.html

yoda57us
08-01-2008, 12:50 PM
1 in 5 chance if she calls the devil on my shoulder will win and I actually do something naughty, and a 2 in 5 chance even if she does call the angel on my shoulder will win and I won't venture into OTC territory. Time will tell. Meanwhile I stand on a precipice. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood...

Nice TR stat but what you are describing here comes under the heading of "basic OTC deception ploy" and it's taught in stripper shit 101".

Until you actually get some OTC it's not OTC...

safado
08-01-2008, 04:19 PM
My first OTC experience was a little over 4 years ago. I went to the local club saw this dancer that did a couple of 30 min VIP sessions with months before, also we were supposed to get together OTC but she canceled at the last minute.

She walks up to me and says "how have you been?" I said good, then she asks "so do you want a BJ?" I replied yes. We went into the VIP and she gave a great BBBJCIM. Before we left VIP she said that if I wanted to get together with her OTC to give her my phone number, I gave her my number. She was working the day shift a couple of days a week, said that she could hook up with me after she leaves work and she would just tell her boyfriend that she worked late.

Two days later she called me up around 4:00pm and asked if I wanted to get together that afternoon. I was slightly skeptical. so I told her that I could meet me at Dunkin Donuts in 30 minutes. She actually showed up and she was on time. We went inside D&D and got something to drink then she asked if I wanted to go to my place or a motel. We went to a my place, probably not a smart thing to do but she appeared to be alone, I did not want to pay for a motel, and I was thinking with the small head.

Once we were inside she says ok 150 for a BJ 300 for everything. I went for the everything option. She was a great GFE and all went well. I think I met with her about 5 times total the sesions were 1hr-1.5 hrs.

Biggieman
08-02-2008, 02:48 AM
said that she could hook up with me after she leaves work and she would just tell her boyfriend that she worked late.

Sucks to be that poor sap.

secretzstolen
08-27-2008, 07:21 PM
tigerlily you wouldnt want them to call it that, because then it would open the door for someone like me to argue that all dancers are prostitues and we may as well call this site "whore junkie" and "prostitute web".

seriously instead of refferring to yourself as a stripper/dancer, how about listing your occupation as "low level of customer service prostitute". thats all it is. lol, i think they weren't calling it prostitution out of "respect" for the ladies on here, since they always get pissy when anyone alludes to sexworkers being sexworkers.

Oh f**k you. It's guys like you and girls like the ones you're with that give us all a bad name. Has it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe, not ALL strippers give extras? In fact, I don't. I don't take money for any type of sex. I'm in a situation in which it appears my best option at the moment is to dance. But that's all I do. I don't care if I'm in the one percentile, although I believe the percentage of strippers who don't hook is higher, please remember not to stereotype and generalize. Thank you.

FBR
08-27-2008, 09:11 PM
Oh f**k you. It's guys like you and girls like the ones you're with that give us all a bad name. Has it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe, not ALL strippers give extras? In fact, I don't. I don't take money for any type of sex. I'm in a situation in which it appears my best option at the moment is to dance. But that's all I do. I don't care if I'm in the one percentile, although I believe the percentage of strippers who don't hook is higher, please remember not to stereotype and generalize. Thank you.

^^ Ha!

Girl if you say fuck you to Sandy you are taking your vaginal life in your hands. He is ruthless ;)

FBR

yoda57us
08-28-2008, 11:07 AM
Oh f**k you. It's guys like you and girls like the ones you're with that give us all a bad name. Has it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe, not ALL strippers give extras? In fact, I don't. I don't take money for any type of sex. I'm in a situation in which it appears my best option at the moment is to dance. But that's all I do. I don't care if I'm in the one percentile, although I believe the percentage of strippers who don't hook is higher, please remember not to stereotype and generalize. Thank you.

Honey, get a grip OK? You are ripping a post that is over four years old on a thread that is ALL ABOUT getting sex from strippers outside of the club. It happens OK? I believe your are right, the larger percentage of strippers don't work OTC but there are enough who do to make it worth talking about here on a thread that is dedicated to that fact.

Welcome to the board, you may want to pick your battles a little more carefully...

Big Dick McGhee
08-28-2008, 12:06 PM
Just wanted to ask a question. i know a hot stripper who works at an all-nude club in the NY metro area and we are good friends. She has a reg. customer who will keep her in the VIP for 5-6 hrs straight or more and sends her flowers at the club, but she says there's nothing going on out side. I am sweet on her and would like to believe her but just don't know. What percentage of girls get busy w/ their SD's? Also, i know for a fact this guy is NOT her type.

WallyT
08-28-2008, 12:28 PM
Just wanted to ask a question. i know a hot stripper who works at an all-nude club in the NY metro area and we are good friends. She has a reg. customer who will keep her in the VIP for 5-6 hrs straight or more and sends her flowers at the club, but she says there's nothing going on out side. I am sweet on her and would like to believe her but just don't know. What percentage of girls get busy w/ their SD's? Also, i know for a fact this guy is NOT her type.

57.5%

hockeybobby
08-28-2008, 12:44 PM
^^^The percentage is probably much lower among girls who say they aren't doing anything OTC though.

I'm curious Big Dick, how do you know "for a fact" he's not her type?

yoda57us
08-28-2008, 12:54 PM
Also, i know for a fact this guy is NOT her type.

Lol, Sorry Big Dick but you really don't know anything "for a fact". Inside the club a guy with money to spend is every dancer's type. This means that she will tell him one thing and tell you another and a third guy something entirely different in order to get money from all three of you.

What percentage of girls do OTC? Who knows and who cares...It's really two different money trains that you are talking about here.

Big Dick McGhee
08-30-2008, 05:38 PM
I do know her pretty well and this guy doesn't seem to be like the guys she's gone out with in the past. Obviously I don't know for sure. I have been OTC w/ several exotic dancers over the last 10 years so I know a little bit about how things work.

Casual Observer
08-31-2008, 05:41 AM
Oh f**k you. It's guys like you and girls like the ones you're with that give us all a bad name. Has it ever occured to you that maybe, just maybe, not ALL strippers give extras? In fact, I don't. I don't take money for any type of sex. I'm in a situation in which it appears my best option at the moment is to dance. But that's all I do. I don't care if I'm in the one percentile, although I believe the percentage of strippers who don't hook is higher, please remember not to stereotype and generalize. Thank you.

Wow...someone is in the wrong line of work. Your indignation is misguided.

yoda57us
09-01-2008, 05:35 AM
I have been OTC w/ several exotic dancers over the last 10 years so I know a little bit about how things work.

And that is exactly my point. I have also known quite a few dancers OTC. In all cases, once I got to know them in an environment that was not reliant on my spending money on them, I found their conversations and their opinions about many things, especially their customers, to be very different from what I would hear inside the club when I was one of those very same customers.

whitelight97402
10-11-2008, 01:49 PM
still kind of glowing from a few weeks ago. dancer who stayed at my place one time with her bf, their car broke down and they live about an hour away, i put them up for the night, nothing happened, but it was fun.

a few weeks later, she is getting off her shift, asks me for a ride downtown, which isn't out of my way, i agree to drive, usually i am not interested in being a 'taxi bitch', but i live downtown anyway and i really enjoyed this woman's company, regardless of 'getting any', so i take her.

Anyhow, we get to where she is staying and she asks what i am doing tonight, she wants to spend time with me, hell ya!, i'm kind of surprised, until that moment I just was having fun and figured she was just hustling. Anyhow, back to my place and some wine, candles, what a great night. I really dig this one, this is going to be a fun couple of weeks that is for sure.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-11-2008, 02:47 PM
What percentage of girls do OTC? Who knows and who cares...It's really two different money trains that you are talking about here.

I would guess most would given the right customer and need. Does a car date in the parking lot count? :-\

3-Legged Man
10-11-2008, 04:54 PM
Whitelight, congratulations. You are living the high life. Seems to be a case of good karma? Obviously you have made a favorable impression in the club and with your previous offer to the dancer and BF.

yoda57us
10-11-2008, 05:47 PM
I would guess most would given the right customer and need. Does a car date in the parking lot count? :-\

LOL, the parking lot thing would be kinda stupid but I know at least one girl years ago who did it often so...

I don't go to clubs looking for OTC. The problem I have is that MANY girls will tease you with the idea of pending OTC in order to get you to spend money on them at the club. In all the years I've been clubbing I've only had two concrete offers for OTC back at my hotel room that night. I don't like the odds and most of the time strippers want way more than they are worth for sex. I'd rather just call an escort.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-11-2008, 09:36 PM
. I don't like the odds and most of the time strippers want way more than they are worth for sex. I'd rather just call an escort.

I find OTC cost less for more then an escort. An escort has to give half to an agency and the agency wants one's life history.

whitelight97402
10-13-2008, 01:32 PM
Whitelight, congratulations. You are living the high life. Seems to be a case of good karma? Obviously you have made a favorable impression in the club and with your previous offer to the dancer and BF.

yeah, i dunno, things have kinda taken a turn for the sur-real lately. I just had an amazing night with yet a different dancer. I dunno, this one did cost me dances though. basically, swung into the club late on Sat night, after midnight, spent the early evening doing chores, cleaning my place, was just planning to get a drink and unwind. Hot dancer asks if i'd like dances, let her know not into it tonight, just feel like a drink, tip the stage, she has danced for me before, great dances, but nothing extreme, maybe got three from her total.

Anyway, she says she needs to get laid, lol and how she has been 'hard up', lol, great fun SS, I am getting ready to head home, she asks if i'd be into her dancing for me at my place. I'm like, ahhh okay, hell ya!, we agree to one hundred, which is ridiculously low for an hour of OTC dancing. The owner isn't there and she tells the manager something came up with her mom, we leave for my place, have a drink, start the dances, but basically get busy, it was an amazing evening, her sexuality simply blew me away!

dam, this has been a wild ride.

yoda57us
10-13-2008, 01:39 PM
I find OTC cost less for more then an escort. An escort has to give half to an agency and the agency wants one's life history.

I don't know what you are paying for either so I'm not going to argue your findings. Market rate varies quite a bit depending on where you are of course.

As far as escorts go, many are independent-no agency affiliation. Lol, that doesn't mean they charge any less of course...or ask for less screening info.
Everyone has their preference. The last time a stripper offered to come back to my hotel room it was in Chicago a couple of years ago. She wanted twice what I typically pay for an escort. I passed.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-21-2008, 05:38 PM
I don't know what you are paying for either so I'm not going to argue your findings.
Escorts of comparable looks and service are $200 to $250 an hour and watch the clock so as not to keep the next trick waiting. I find OTC is $150 to $200 for 1.5 to 2 hours of total GFE plus a stop at the drive through wile taking her back home::) .

The "relationship" doesn't end after OTC as there is still the stripper/PL in the club "friendship". /:O

Earl_the_Pearl
10-21-2008, 05:45 PM
Finally, she says, "(CP), I need you to fuck me now." I am happy to oblige, crawling up her body only pause at her (fake but) spectacular tits. She grabs a wrapper, unrolls it on me and we start off in mish, and then wrap her legs around my nexk as I pound away.



You have arrived. :)

FBR
10-21-2008, 06:16 PM
Susan-Va's post was spot on. I think the OP of that thread has been out of the business for a long time and has forgotten that the dancers ultimately control whatever activities go on.

FBR

PS: I hadn't read CP's HG original post in years. A reminder that it was good }:D

FBR
10-21-2008, 06:19 PM
You have arrived. :)


LOL Dude CP "arrived" a long time ago :D

FBR

yoda57us
10-21-2008, 07:59 PM
Escorts of comparable looks and service are $200 to $250 an hour and watch the clock so as not to keep the next trick waiting. I find OTC is $150 to $200 for 1.5 to 2 hours of total GFE plus a stop at the drive through wile taking her back home::) .

The "relationship" doesn't end after OTC as there is still the stripper/PL in the club "friendship". /:O

That's a pretty good ROI Earl. I stopped pursuing the whole OTC thing a few years ago when I stumbled onto my current pair of ATF escorts (both former dancers but long gone from stripping) I wasn't interested in dropping two or three hundred on a gal in the club (between drinks and dances) and then another three or four hundred for an hour or two at a Red Roof Inn. Things are slow now in the clubs and the asking price around my neck of the woods may have gone down. I'm not planning on making any changes in the near future though. I'm too old for the drama of it all in the clubs.

One of my regulars actually lives in South Jersey and danced in Philly. She hated it down there. Escorting is much less hassle and easier money.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-23-2008, 10:49 PM
That's a pretty good ROI Earl.

There are some hidden costs. I just tipped $12 bought two $6 beers and gave a ride home for an OTC "friend" and only got a kiss:-* . I also have to take her and her son out to to eat tomorrow./:O

latingod
10-27-2008, 07:43 PM
After reading and getting familiar I think I'm ready to chime into the conversation....

I frequent a very classy SC in my town, during day or night time, whenever I'm in the mood...after a while I met a girl on day shit, amazing body but more than anything amazing smile and eyes....we sat down and chatted for a bit and I asked her if she wants to go to VIP...she agrees and of we go...

Amazing VIP session, we started kissing and making out, had my fun and then ended up there. After a couple of weeks she is changing to night shift as money would be better for her than day, so we start getting to know each other, she tells me about her life, her current situation (getting divorced), how she likes extreme sports, etc...

She starts telling em about her life and she also tells me her real name and asks me for my number and if I would like to meer for lunch or dinner one day. Now beingat SCs for while, I was like "sure...here is my number...call me when you want to get together for lunch or dinner..."...so a couple of weeks go by and she calls me and asked me if I want to have dinner...so we agree in a time and place. I was expecting her to call back and cancelled or maybe if I show up, she wouldnt show up....but to my surprise she does show up, she calls me before our dinner to confirm that I'm coming and that we were still on for dinner...I was surprised!!

We had dinner, a nice conversation but then she needed to leave to go to the Club, she doesn't ask me to come along or meet her there later that day. So I stop by on friday to see her...go to VIP and have fun again. After our VIP time, she asks me if I want to do Breakfast next week, that she knows this nice place in her side of town and that we could get together there. I agree to meet her again...we do, again good food, great conversation (she is actually a very smart girl), so we start making this a regular OTC activity. Now evertime after breakfast once we are in the parking lot, we make out for a little bit, have nice dfk, but she has to run, so I asked her flat out one time in the VIP, "So are you always running because of your boyfriend??" and she looks surprised and says "Who told you about my boyfriend??" and I just said no one, I just firgured it out that you were with a guy and he will notice that you have been going for breakfast everyweek at the same time the same day.... so she confesses she is in a relationship, but that shes is not sure anymore (you know SS Stuff right??) ...so I told her...hey now worries, I don't want to be your boyfriend, not want you to break it up with him...I like you, I like seeing you at the club, so don't worry about it....

We start calling each other, txting, emailing, meeting for breakfast, lunch or dinner, I keep seeing her ITC, I take her to VIP everytime I see her and we have a great time.... so far OTC has worked fine, I'm not looking for sex, just have a good time with a cute girl....my PA now is telling me about how stripper get people reeled in and how she is using me for the money, etc...and I told her I'm ok, no worries...

So I'm getting ready to head on a long trip, so 2 days before I leave, my ATF tells me she is breaking up with her boyfriend that she can't be with him anymore...and I tell her, just make sure you're doing it for the right reasons, and she tells me that she needs to think about it....but that she doesn't see that they will last...

latingod
10-27-2008, 07:54 PM
I'm on my trip and get a TXT from her, saying that shee needed to talk to me...so I call her and she tells me she just broke up with her boyfriend and that she is available now. I tell her "good for you, if you're happy I'm happy, we'll celebrate when I get back home"...

After a little bit we hang up and she sends me a TXT saying that she would like to be with me, that she has learned to appreciate my company and the way I treat her, and that she knows that I will be the man she believes I am.... I'm floored...I wasn't expecting this....what to do?? what to do??

I'll see you when I get back and we'll talk then...ff 2 weeks i'm back and she tells me she got back with her boyfriend, so I tell her that she shouldn't have to lie to me about the break up and shit, that I'm not interested in a relationship with her, at least not in the bf/gf kind of way, but I'm ok with the stripper/custy relationship though. I tell her that I don't care if she has a BF, we can still do lunch or get together, but it's her call if she wants to do it...so we have been seeing each other for almost 2 months now OTC and just recently after attending an event we went all the way (though she is still in a relationship) after that...we were not drunk or anything similar, we just had an amazing night where we hit it up and we both fell for it.... now i'll be away for a little bit and I told her to think what she wants to do as I'm not going to push for anything, I've told her I'm content with being "friends", so the ball is in her court...I'm happy with OTC and ITC encounters, specially now that I know there is really more to it....

whitelight97402
10-28-2008, 12:33 PM
I'm on my trip and get a TXT from her, saying that shee needed to talk to me...so I call her and she tells me she just broke up with her boyfriend and that she is available now. I tell her "good for you, if you're happy I'm happy, we'll celebrate when I get back home"...

After a little bit we hang up and she sends me a TXT saying that she would like to be with me, that she has learned to appreciate my company and the way I treat her, and that she knows that I will be the man she believes I am.... I'm floored...I wasn't expecting this....what to do?? what to do??

I'll see you when I get back and we'll talk then...ff 2 weeks i'm back and she tells me she got back with her boyfriend, so I tell her that she shouldn't have to lie to me about the break up and shit, that I'm not interested in a relationship with her, at least not in the bf/gf kind of way, but I'm ok with the stripper/custy relationship though. I tell her that I don't care if she has a BF, we can still do lunch or get together, but it's her call if she wants to do it...so we have been seeing each other for almost 2 months now OTC and just recently after attending an event we went all the way (though she is still in a relationship) after that...we were not drunk or anything similar, we just had an amazing night where we hit it up and we both fell for it.... now i'll be away for a little bit and I told her to think what she wants to do as I'm not going to push for anything, I've told her I'm content with being "friends", so the ball is in her court...I'm happy with OTC and ITC encounters, specially now that I know there is really more to it....

great story, very refreshing. I would think she isn't trying to reel you in, that she really feels the connection, she would disconnect more often if she were trying to suk you in like that. I am curious about your reasons for not wanting more from her?

It is interesting that you still go ITC with her when you have so much OTC contact, haven't really heard this scenario before.

Sounds like you are having a great time, will be curious to hear an update.

latingod
10-28-2008, 12:59 PM
great story, very refreshing. I would think she isn't trying to reel you in, that she really feels the connection, she would disconnect more often if she were trying to suk you in like that. I am curious about your reasons for not wanting more from her?

It is interesting that you still go ITC with her when you have so much OTC contact, haven't really heard this scenario before.

Sounds like you are having a great time, will be curious to hear an update.

I love seeing her, but I don't want to turn into a BF or SD for her, she is not the kind of girl that gives you all these sappy stories or tells you that she needs money to pay bills...She is very happy as she has learned to save money, I like spending time with her, and she likes dancing, she loves being a performer... and I really like that.

The main reason I don't want more from her (at this point in time) is because I travel a lot, I'm sort of a free spirit, I like to get up in the morning and decide that I'm flying out during the afternoon to Boston, Vegas, you name it that same day... no planning ahead... and if I had something with her I wuold luv to haver come with me...but she has to work...and I don't want just to be her SD and she likes dancing....so I can't ask her to quit doing that.... and I don't want ot get completely involved if she is still with her BF...

Just last night she told me again that she is thinking of leaving him for good... I just said "ok"....but nothing more....I like her a lot...is just that it could be complicated and like I said I get what I want when I see her at the Club and also when we meet outside and she is a great companion everywhere we go (and freaking sexy and hot).

We are going on a trip soon, so we'll see how it goes from there....