View Full Version : Outside the Club (aka "The Holy Grail")
sadbuttrue
06-12-2004, 09:17 PM
Well, this is probably the most even-tempered adult discussion on the morality subject I have seen with a minimum of mud-slinging.
I am afraid, though, that everyone has drawn the line where they see fit (a long time ago), which fits in with their own comfortability level. So it is doubtful that any one will change another's mind on the subject. I have done the same.
Great stories, CP and FBR!
>>>Sad<<<
;D
yoda57us
06-13-2004, 05:40 AM
I agree that no one here will probably change their mind on the subject(s) at hand based on these discussions. To do so would cause us all to question our justification for walking into a strip club(or into a dancers bedroom) in the first place. Nothing posted here will change my views but it's always interesting to read other people's thoughts.
As far as staying on topic, it's great when that happens but when it doesn't it's usualy for a good cause.
SportsWriter2
06-13-2004, 07:54 AM
Yoda, let's see. I'm looking under "justification for walking into a dancer's bedroom." How about christening new boobs when she's too spacey on painkillers to go anywhere else?
But alas, this has become a morality thread, not a fun story thread, so too bad. It was a nice bedroom, though: fireplace, lots of mirrors, framed pictures of Michelangelo's angels on the walls, sheer curtains, no shades.
I might PM you the details, Kat, because you wouldn't be judgmental, and this girl had nice slender thighs. ;)
lestat1
06-13-2004, 07:55 AM
Well I agree with Laura, but I'd still like to hear some more juicy tales of erotic adventure so I can live vicariously through others. :D
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mr_punk
06-13-2004, 09:00 AM
Stat, no fair. You cant agree with Laura (and Polecat for that matter) and still enjoy the juicy stories LOL ;Doh geez, another person who wants his cake and eat it too. well, give him credit FBR at least he's (like you) honest about it.
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lestat1
06-13-2004, 10:06 AM
;Doh geez, another person who wants his cake and eat it too. well, give him credit FBR at least he's (like you) honest about it.
Hey I never met someone who claimed to like watching people get mangled in a car wreck, but everyone still turns their head when they pass by an accident. But enough of this...more talk of FBR and the Flockettes! ;D
aggieed
06-13-2004, 02:29 PM
So would it be inappropriate for me to ask, in this thread, if anybody has had any luck "playing" outside the club with GC waitresses, shot girls, door girls, and/or cousins, sisters, mothers, girlfriends of the same? ;D
I haven't, but then again, I've never really tried. Dancers are challenging enough at this point in my "career". :P
Katrine
06-13-2004, 03:15 PM
Yoda, let's see. I'm looking under "justification for walking into a dancer's bedroom." How about christening new boobs when she's too spacey on painkillers to go anywhere else?
But alas, this has become a morality thread, not a fun story thread, so too bad. It was a nice bedroom, though: fireplace, lots of mirrors, framed pictures of Michelangelo's angels on the walls, sheer curtains, no shades.
I might PM you the details, Kat, because you wouldn't be judgmental, and this girl had nice slender thighs. ;)
I'm all in Sporty!!!
:yummy:
Katrine
06-13-2004, 03:16 PM
Thank you Katrine.
You're very welcome :peace:
LauraLove
06-13-2004, 04:39 PM
Stat, no fair. You cant agree with Laura (and Polecat for that matter) and still enjoy the juicy stories LOL ;Doh geez, another person who wants his cake and eat it too. well, give him credit FBR at least he's (like you) honest about it.
I never denied it ;) I was just sharing my thoughts and feelings on this subject. I'm not going off on a tangent. I said what I wanted on the subject.
Carry on comparing your stories, no one was trying to stop you , just adding some thoughts into the pot
polecat
06-13-2004, 04:39 PM
;Doh geez, another person who wants his cake and eat it too.
Sure he can have both. He just has to take his ring off when posting..
:rotfl: :rotfl:
I have some great stories to share.. but are they disqualified if they don't involve money? Or happen just outside the club? <evil grin>
Katrine
06-13-2004, 05:39 PM
Maybe there should be a sexy stories thread in the Sex section of SCJ for those of us who want to try our hand at non-fiction prose?
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Richard_Head
06-13-2004, 06:53 PM
Wow, I go away for a few days, come back and see 69 posts in the "Outside the Club" thread and think I'm in for some good reading, and I get 2 stories (good reads BTW FBR & CP), what a letdown :grumpy:. Enough of the morality crap, more stories please :D.
fishnet
06-13-2004, 07:02 PM
Hey RH, Chuck is MIA just like EH. ::) Pryce isn't checking or responding to PMs. 3 posts belong in this thread. The rest can all be deleted if not moved. >:(
Wow, I just got back too! Aside from the morality arguements, I think this is a great thread. These are stories that are misplaced in the "Post Trip Reports Thread". "The Holy Grail" Excellent name Chilli!
polecat
06-14-2004, 12:52 AM
I appologize for the length, but hey, it's my first time writing something with any amount of details... which she surely deserves.
I'm really not putting you pay-for-sex guys down. If anything, I have a little bit of envy for you fellas. It doesn't feel the same, and having messed around in the dom/sub lifestyle a little in years past, one become s pretty well attuned to what's genuine and what's fictional. I've tried.. just doesn't happen... My loss, truly.
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Big weekends in my beloved San Francisco usually are accompanied by booking a few hotel rooms for myself and several guests- male and female, as well as booking VIP's at a plethora of nightclubs, and RSVP's to the occasional private parties and undergrounds. Between dinner and the first stop for the night, there's usually an hour or so deadzone, and I usually suggest we hit the stripclubs as I know several dancers that work in them and they are a relaxed and racey place to start off the evening.
I chose a club I don't go to much at all- maybe twice, three times a year. I know only one dancer there who I see frequently out of the club (friendship standpoint- lunch, shopping, occasional geek nights at her pad doing web shit, etc.etc.). Extras are about, my friend admittedly does them, no big deal. Not spotting my club pal, but no worries.. maybe she's busy making money. Yay!
I get nearly drop tackled by this rather short, but extremely cute brunette. She's calling me by my name, and acting like we've been best friends all our lives.. asking about specific things in my life.. and I'm just smiling.. NO idea who she is... after about 5 minutes of reminders, she's someone I got a private from over eight months ago. I'll go into clubs specifically to visit a friend or waste some time, occasionally get a no-frills dance here and there mainly to contribute rather than feel like a freeloader, then skip out. Then down the road have no recollection of who/what I've been with. The memory skills of these SF dancers is damn near Rainman(tm) and never ceases to amaze me. So I excuse myself from the group and we go off to do a private and "catch up"...
Her private jogged my memory. Standard privates in SF are about $60-$80, really chickenfeed in a town where it's $17 to park for the night and $2.50/gallon for gas. They are about 8-10 minutes- just private and anything goes. I remembered her now since she gave the same "menu" behind the curtain.. and even after refusal, still insists on trying to get ME naked versus herself (another SF SS ploy). So I'm basically in my underwear by the time I'm removing her thong..
Despite the nudity, the conversations are always mundane... kind of a unique thing in the city. It's the only city where you can have a stripper naked, sitting reversed cowgirl on your boxers, with one hand wrapped across the front of her torso pulling her back into you, and the other grasping a thick clump of hair gently pulling while discussing the biz and nightlife. The best women never gyrate or grind in this position- they instead work their back, neck and hands... she's one of them. "Good girl."
She starts asking about the group.. as I relay my plans for the nights, she perks interest in one of the VIP's we have reserved for the night. She also asks what 'party favors' are involved for the night, I explain we're all a bunch of ex-druggies, so tequila and 420 is all we do these days.
Times been up for a few minutes now. I carry her out and drop her back down where I found her. Say our goodbyes and off my group goes.
Fast forward about 4-5 hours later. My group and I are tanked, we've danced all night and sitting in our cozy VIP ordering up drinks.. with our own private server and bouncer. Who do I spot at the lower stairs entrance behind a security guy..
Cute little brunette.. leather mini-skirt, corset top with metal brackets holding the front together, red accent pullover top, NICE nylons/stockings, nice heels. I motion the bouncer to go fetch that little filly at the bottom of the stairs.. he doesn't think anything of it since he's been doing that for us for the past hour. Guys- if you're in SF, spring for VIP in the nightclubs. You can order anything from champagne, tequila to wimmen. "Yo Guido, fetch us.... three women" and off he'll go and pick out the best three "VIP groupies" moshing by the stairs.
Up she comes.. sits down.. says she's got some serious catching up to do, and in short time (last call in CA is 2am.. it was past 1:20am so bottle collection will be soon). We didn't talk much. She downed some pretty massive tequila shots, and also several of our local concoctions that consist of vodka, champagne and redbull. We stood up and sashayed by the balcony overlooking the dance floor. Drank more, hit the dancefloor at one point.. after last call and I asked if she wanted to go get high in the hotel room.. she agreed. "Good girl"
Out towards the stairs, I motioned up at my partner in the VIP booth. We still had one or two stops planned after 2am, guess I was going to miss them. Out to hail the cab.
This woman knew the game. She didnt walk ahead of me, she put all her weight inside my extended arm (heels in the city are dangerous with gratings and potholes) and almost looked to me for confirmation for every move. Good girl.
The cabby got a little bit of excitement.. I've never been one to let things cool down. We arrived at the hotel.. the ride to the 17th floor seemed longer than usual.. when we finally arrived, made it to the room and both took off our shoes.
Had a bottle of Don Julio blanco and a crummy cheap bottle of champagne (Mumms Brut.. bleh). It was fairly warm, but we didnt care. Down the hatch with more shots and champagne while lounging on the comfortable bed. I also loaded up a bowl and we smoked it down. Once both started to take effect together nicely, I picked her up in front of the end mirror and proceeded to undress her.. Finally my chance to reverse the club scenario. I let my hands explore while standing behind her and it was nice. I looked at her in the mirror as did she... her look was one of a modern day goddess finally starting to understand herself. I always feel so clumsy towering over a woman when we're both barefoot and standing. I think this contrast is where I derrive so much of my affection for the fine women of my beloved city.
After being fairly satisfied, I grabbed her and laid her down on the bed.. losing the shirt and pants.. and trying to remove those damn pesky socks. I spent quite a substantial time exploring her chest and abdomen. Most guys would consider her 'average' - to me, she's quite the princess. Medium length auburn hair, small A-B cup, thin landing strip.. maybe 5'3 and about 110lbs roughly. I worked my lips down south, moved my hands to the inner thighs... reached over her head to grab a pillow, liften up her butt and propped a pillow under her for the main course.
She's a good woman.. she likes the tease and anticipation a wet, warm mouth can do as it approaches from different places.. something about her hips tightening as you move in, then retreat back a bit and having them loosen again... I can ride this roller coaster all night.. she was warm, very moist and the taste and smell were definately appealing.
With all the alcohol and 420 involved, I was utterly impressed at her response. I spent at least several minutes testing the waters with my tongue and lips. She was borderline for me- between some of the super sensitive women and the completely numb, vibrator 10x a day kind. I like them in the middle. Good woman.
I really enjoyed her outer moisture and feel. This woman might as well have had neon signs for her... they were clearly marked between the rougher areas inside.. her head rubbing intensity also shifted rigorously to mark those spots. I remembered them and worked them.
Guys- this is where the pay-to-play thing just doesnt work.. I move my head away and replace my tongue with my thumb while my middle finger is still close to full length working the inside. I wipe my face on the bed spread and while reaching over to my pants/wallet to remove an Inspiral, I ask/tell her "I want to fuck you. You want to be fucked?"
How this question is answered just can't be faked. An escort or pro just doesn't have the same vibe. Moreover, this is something I'm going to ask while I slip the condom on, where an escort or pro wants to be involved in the fitting process. It's just not going to work. A lengthy description of what she wants me to do is the reply. "Good girl." I'm going to give her what she truly wants.. and what I truly want. Desire is 100% mental, and just cant be invented, faked or paid for.
I like to start initially in missionary. It's a good position, she's usually in that position from pre-festivities, and it's a great way to pin her hands against the bedding. She was verbal before, she's twice as verbal now. All subtlety is out the window. This is the main event. The last 25+ minutes have earned that much. She's taking it like a trooper.
Missionary is also a lower body circulation stumbling position for us tall guys trying to line things up for a shorter girl on a bed. She's not as intuitive to some women I've been with, but with minimal coaxing, I'm able to release her hands, flip her over and pose her ass high enough to make a good behind entry angle. She's such a good woman.
We both worked up a sweat here.. and due to the amount of booze and pot, it's going to be a marathon, no doubt. This is where getting creative with the hotel room comes in handy. On the mini desk, on the loveseat, laying her down on the coffee table after throwing the magazines across the room, up against the TV cabinet standing, then finally returning to the bed for the finish.. her spasming and pushing against me, along with the shaking of her hips is always enough to send me over.. God, what bliss life has to offer us mere mortals.
We crawl up and I reach for my pack of smokes... we smoke and sleep. She got up once during the morning to use the restroom.. we finally wake up close to noon..
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Richard_Head
06-17-2004, 08:08 PM
FBR, didn't you mention that DJ was a SW poster? Wouldn't that also mean she may be a SCJ lurker? I'm guessing she's just waiting for the money conversation.
SportsWriter2
06-17-2004, 08:24 PM
FBR, it was all good. You've got me wanting the DJ even more than Miss D. :D
I just hope she posts a TR before you do. That would be sweet irony. :P
Richard_Head
06-17-2004, 08:28 PM
RH LOL Yes she is. Today at lunch she mentioned that she logged onto SW last night. Im like shiiiiittttt LOL I changed the subject 8)
Ive done nothing but sing her praises here. She a doll :P While she was talking I was trying to remember if I mentioned her on SW LOL If she stumbles across any posts Ive made regarding her I hope she takes them as intended.
LOL, I thought so, everything I can recall you posting about her has been very positive, so I think you're safe in that regards. Now if she wasn't aware of your intentions that might be another story.
SportsWriter2
06-24-2004, 08:11 PM
11AM call from Dancer A: "Tomorrow's gonna be a good day. Wanna go to the beach?" I like a long ocean beach 28 miles SE of Providence where I can run and chill out.... I agree to take her IF we can meet at 11:30. The next day it's no answer at 11:20, so I head for clam chowder at Hooters. She calls to say the housemom needs her in early, but could she stop by for a hug and kiss? I agree, knowing that will be another 10 minutes, and I need to make calls for Plan B.... Dancer B has two numbers. Both go to voice mail, but she calls back quickly. She can meet me at the beach 20 minutes after I get there. She just has one bill to pay in a neighboring town.... I pull into the state park at 1:20. The entry road is lined with police cars from surrounding towns, plus state troopers, and the county sheriff's mobile command RV. I figure Major Drug Bust, but it's a Safety Check Day. The statie hands me a plastic bag of flyers AND a Buckle Up key chain. BFD.... I'm on the beach at 1:30. She calls at 2:15: "I'm almost there." I told her to buckle her seat belt or she'd be in handcuffs. She wants to know if I brought handcuffs.... 3PM and she calls again: "My inspection sticker expired so they wouldn't let me in. They threatened to tow my car, and I had to drive seven miles north before my cell phone had coverage.... I offered to meet her by the front gate cuz no one collects after about 3:40, but a statie is hanging out holding court for girls who like uniforms.... She shows up as he's leaving. We go to the beach and she says, "Can we go to the dunes?" This beach has some nice secluded back dunes, and I've already had my beach day. She's in my Top 5 for cute, tan and fun, so it's Fade to Shade under the cabana for 40 minutes.... By now you're saying WTF? This is about annoying details. And that's exactly the way I felt. :-\
Chili Palmer
06-24-2004, 09:02 PM
Wow...never had the "expired tag" excuse used on me before, but I have had the "cel phone coverage area" one used.
So much SS to put up with, so little patience for it. Yet, we keep coming back for more, don't we? Thanks for sharing, SW.
CP
SportsWriter2
06-25-2004, 04:51 AM
So much SS to put up with, so little patience for it. Yet, we keep coming back for more, don't we?
Oh yeah. Dancer A gets her make-up afternoon at the beach today.
I pointed to Dancer B's inspection sticker and said, "What were you doing for 31 days in March that took priority over this?"
Dancer B: "I forgot to take it in, but it wouldn't have passed anyway." ::)
My favorite excuse ever (from my very first ATF): "The Fugitive Task Force got me this morning." She had an outstanding felony arrest warrant for kiting a Vicadin prescription. She was five-three, 98 pounds, and so cute that the FTF guys shared their lunches with her instead of locking her up. Cerahas would have loved her. ::)
yoda57us
06-27-2004, 06:19 AM
Lol Sporty, I love that one! The Fugitive Task force...have you ever gotten the "witness protection program" line when a dancer dissappeared for a few months? I'm so board with all of my fav's INS excuses. I'm gonna start looking for bad girls again...
sadbuttrue
06-27-2004, 06:34 AM
Lol Sporty, I love that one! The Fugitive Task force...have you ever gotten the "witness protection program" line when a dancer dissappeared for a few months? I'm so board with all of my favs INS excuses. I'm gonna start loking for bad girls again...
ROFL!
>>>Sad<<<
:3dglasses:
SportsWriter2
07-05-2004, 05:56 PM
FBR, this one is easy. Call Miss D and tell her you need to save up a load to impress a freebie girl on Thursday. ::)
Richard_Head
07-05-2004, 08:00 PM
Is that the sound of a train wreck I hear in the distance :listen: ??
Anyways, my preference would be for new/free pussy over old/paid for pussy, push Ms D off until next week if possible, hope that helps.
mr_punk
07-05-2004, 09:28 PM
let's see, you have a lunch date with one broad on wednesday. you have another date set-up for thursday. so, what's the problem? you have a whole day to recover. if you had to bang both broads on the same day. i could understand your dilemma. however, if that did happen. you shouldn't be worried about your performance. you should worry about your heart exploding. whatever happens to you ,good luck, FBR. if you actually live to see the friday, all you'll need is an ice pack for your balls. OTOH, if Mrs.FBR decides she wants sex friday, you're a dead man, but look on the bright side. Mrs. FBR can cash in on those life insurance policies.
DJ, I believe, is not interested in money. She was rubbing my legs this afternoon along with the back massage. Im concerned about an emotional involvement. Miss D, on the other hand, is all about the money.if you think the subject of money isn't going arise with DJ. you're kidding yourself, FBR. oh, she might seem not be as straightforward when compared to Miss.D and there may be some genuine emotional involvement on her part. however, don't be surprised if you have to kick in a few dollars to pay some "bills". mistresses aren't free, FBR. they just make you think they're free.
LV betting line:
(sucker bet's) FBR lives to see friday : 70-1
(stick a fork in him. he's done) FBR dies of a massive stroke or heart attack during mid-stroke on wednesday: 1-3
(hock the farm and the kid's college fund) FBR dies of a massive stroke or heart attack on thursday: 1-10
big_daddy
07-06-2004, 04:29 PM
DO them both. Get plenty of sleep and take some vitamins and the little blue pill! ;D ;D
fishnet
07-07-2004, 06:06 AM
It's a little late...but I think you should have put Miss D off for a few days. You could say someone is giving you an early BD present. ;D A little competition to get Miss D to up the ante. ;) If you don't want to upset the apple cart you could always just claim business. She knows how volitile your work can be. :)
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SportsWriter2
07-08-2004, 07:01 PM
Trust me, FBR, you made out. The gorgeous young dancers who write, "I love you" and do it all for free are always psycho. :o
So are some that only want $100/hr for their time. :-\
yoda57us
07-09-2004, 06:01 AM
There is no such thing as free cookie....stripper or otherwise...Personaly I'd rather know exactly what it's going to cost up front. Those "hidden fees" can be a bitch!
Casual Observer
07-09-2004, 06:28 PM
There is no such thing as free cookie....stripper or otherwise...Personaly I'd rather know exactly what it's going to cost up front. Those "hidden fees" can be a bitch!
Women (and some men) think it a cynical view, but I've always believed that you always pay for sex. Always. The means of renumeration may vary, but you always pay.
Always.
mr_punk
07-14-2004, 04:56 PM
I didnt know how she would react but to my surprise she was all for it. My comment was more of a test dammit. Surely she would be offended saying "Oh FBR, how can you talk about money when we click so well and have so much fun hanging out" Wronggggg !!! LOL Kudos to Mr_P for nailing that shit right from the git go LOLwell, she's may be DJing at the moment, but she's still a stripper at heart. perhaps, she's tired of dating the unemployed musicians, suitcase pimps or moocher type BF. perhaps, she noticed the flockette and the ESC. i'm sure it played a part in her decision or do you think it was your good looks and charm? in the end, despite all this talk of getting it for free. when it comes down to it, security is always in the back of a woman's (especially a stripper's) mind. it may not be the most important consideration, but it's on the list. in any case, it was the right move to make, FBR. believe me, if you didn't broach the subject. she would have down the line.
Anyway, after getting over my internal ego devastation we went ahead and talked terms and conditions.devastated? oh yeah, that's exactly how i would feel after sleeping with a young, tight and fresh looking woman, less than half my age with cellulite free thighs and an firm ass that's begging to be bit like a round juicy apple. ::)
We proceeded to implement phase one of our relationship and it was very very nicebe careful, FBR. take it from me, young'uns are enjoyed best when taken in small doses. larger doses can lead to severe migraine headaches or heart attacks ;D. :headache:
yoda57us
07-15-2004, 08:17 AM
I'm a plan B and plan C kind of guy. The word mercenary may apply to some degree but it helps keep things in perspective.
SportsWriter2
07-15-2004, 11:11 AM
Like I always say, it's okay to love a dancer, but the minimum is three.... FBR, you're NOT mercenary. You're teaching life skills when you go to Plan B if A is a half hour late.