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lunchbox
08-02-2006, 07:17 AM
well, aspd is more of a regional board than a national board. also, as you noted, houston has plenty of options in addition to sc. nonetheless, them houston girls are real friendly.
Did anyone happen to notice that Susan Wayward was listed as the provider of the day yesterday?

aggieed
08-02-2006, 10:03 AM
Thx... crazy, the proportion of the Houston discussion area to that of other cities. What it is about Houston and sex workers?

Helps that the owner of ASPD lived in Houston when the board first started near the tail end of 1999. Her circle of friends and their friends were mainly in Houston as well so the board grew out of that. Somewhere around there, if it wasn't destroyed by the crash that occurred last year, should be a thread that explains how ASPD started. Also helps that Houston is a bargain basement version of "Sin City".


Did anyone happen to notice that Susan Wayward was listed as the provider of the day yesterday?

A few of the strippers that posted in ASPD (specifically in Austin) were given "Provider" status so that they could post their schedules in the Provider Ads and Specials section...a section that only women can post in anyway. Bridgette actually started that trend over four years ago when she lived in Austin. I don't think they were given any more "powers" or "access" than that. Except for B maybe once or twice I don't know that any of them actually used it since most posted their schedules in their sig lines.

I did notice that "rivercitykitty" was the Provider of the Day yesterday, and, while I got a quick chuckle out of it, it's not what you think it means.

lunchbox
08-02-2006, 10:40 AM
I got a quick chuckle out of it, it's not what you think it means.
I beg to differ, I think what you think about my thinking is not what I thought. 8)

Moneywise
08-03-2006, 06:34 PM
A few of the strippers that posted in ASPD (specifically in Austin) were given "Provider" status so that they could post their schedules in the Provider Ads and Specials section...a section that only women can post in anyway. Bridgette actually started that trend over four years ago when she lived in Austin. I don't think they were given any more "powers" or "access" than that. Except for B maybe once or twice I don't know that any of them actually used it since most posted their schedules in their sig lines.



There's a 95% chance I will be moving to Austin within the next 2 years. I've heard nothing but great things about that area. (and you keep adding to them) }:D

FBR
08-08-2006, 06:00 PM
It came up unexpectedly. We were talking at the club today and it turns out Miss D and I may be in Chicago around the same time...towards the latter part of September. Shes working on her thesis and has to visit the library there. I will be there for some business meetings. She suggested...why not go up together if we can work out the dates and details? It was clear that she wasnt just talking about carpooling :P

Of course, I am immediately thinking...Ok...she just wants me to pick up the travel tab LOL But still, it is a fun thought and even if there is a price tag, its probably chump change in the scheme of things. Im visualizing 2 or 3 nights in a row of lotion fun with no distractions, 250 miles from home heheh.

I find myself struggling with the decision though. Its one thing to OTC for a few hours...its another to spend several days together. I snore like a freight train and am grumpy in the morning, among other negative things. She may have warts as well but Im not sure I want to reveal mine :-\

Im mostly just venting but if anyone wants to comment, fire away!

FBR

fishnet
08-08-2006, 07:59 PM
You know you are doing this FBR! Relax and enjoy. ;-)

FBR
08-08-2006, 08:23 PM
You know you are doing this FBR! Relax and enjoy. ;-)

LOL we'll see hahaha Aside from the potential and ongoing PL/RIL, Im not exactly sure how to manipulate things from a home standpoint.

Hope youre back for more than a minute, bud :)

FBR

Moneywise
08-08-2006, 08:25 PM
Im mostly just venting but if anyone wants to comment, fire away!

FBR

Have fun and hit it like she stole your EXT. ;)

dayzed
09-06-2006, 12:31 PM
There's a dancer I've visited ITC a few times over the last several months, and the experiences have been such as to inspire me to broach the possibility of OTC. I've never gotten an extra from her, and she in no way advertises a willingness to escort, etc., but ya know, that sixth sense has been telling me that she might be amenable.

My plan was to raise the issue later this week, but lo and behold it was just, er -- brought to my attention that she has been doing porn. (quite the accidental discovery) A subsequent IAFD search confirmed that she has a burgeoning little career, with multiple titles to date (all very recent). Relatively major productions, so despite the fact that she gives impression of being typical area dancer (and seems to work a full and consistent schedule at the club), she clearly spends her share of time out in Cali.

I am trying to realign my approach with this new revelation. It's tempting to think that an OTC sojourn is suddenly that much more likely, but I realize that the exact reverse is prolly' true. Anyone have experience w/ a similar situation? At the very least I guess I need to get sense of current adult industry pay scales... if for no other reason than context...

Chili Palmer
09-06-2006, 05:50 PM
I've said it to many people on many different forums (fora?): If a girl is willing to fuck on camera for money, she's willing to fuck off camera for money as well. Never been wrong yet. Call it Chili's Iron Law of Pay-for-Play.

CP

SC_dude
09-27-2006, 11:18 PM
One day at the club I meet this really hot 19 year-old blonde stripper. I get a bunch of dances from her then go home. I had a great time and the conversation was awesome. Her phone number was safely programmed in my cell.

Later that week I call her up again to find out when she will be back at the club. I visit her. Same song and dance. Great dances, great conversation.

A couple days later, I call her again. This time I asked if I she wants to hang out outside the club. "Okay," she says. I invite her to my place to hang out. We have some drinks. I put my arms around her and start kissing her. We go to the bedroom where she sucks my cock and lets me fuck her 3 times.

She gets a call from her parents wondering where she is. Thus, she has to go just when I was ready for her to leave anyway.

We hug.

"When are we gonna do it again?" I ask.

She shrugs. "Give me a call."

I french kiss her for good measure and then send her on her way.

That's how it's done.

FBR
09-28-2006, 07:00 PM
Actually a better ending would have been where she said "When are we gonna do it again?" and you responded with a shrug "Give me a call".

FBR

SC_dude
09-28-2006, 08:59 PM
eh. nothing's ever perfect.

Katrine
09-28-2006, 11:00 PM
A better ending would have disclosed how much you paid her and how long it took her to scrub your stench off her nubile body while showering at her "parent's" house preparing for the next date. ;)

SC_dude
09-28-2006, 11:08 PM
price = 0

xdamage
09-29-2006, 05:03 PM
A better ending would have disclosed how much you paid her and how long it took her to scrub your stench off her nubile body while showering at her "parent's" house preparing for the next date. ;)

Tell us how you really feel ;D

FBR
09-30-2006, 01:35 PM
I am trying to realign my approach with this new revelation. It's tempting to think that an OTC sojourn is suddenly that much more likely, but I realize that the exact reverse is prolly' true. Anyone have experience w/ a similar situation? At the very least I guess I need to get sense of current adult industry pay scales... if for no other reason than context...

When you say pay scale do you mean escort rates? Stripper OTC rates?

Locally, escort rates are 250-400 depending on her attractiveness, reputation for delivering as promised and if she looks fresh or slightly worn ::) Stripper OTC can vary all over the place...I guess depending how bad you want it. Strippers generally dont know the local POP index. I paid way over for Miss B back a few years ago but I did it knowingly. I give Miss D a little over the higher end scale for RR/lotion fun but I also give her other money depending on my mood and generosity at the time. She's more of a mistress than a pure pay for play. I'm not sure how the porn thing factors in. I wouldn't pay extra for a stripper with porn experience but others may.

FBR

yoda57us
09-30-2006, 05:36 PM
The going rate around these parts is similar to what FBR quoted but you can do very well for $300 an hour. The last dancer I did OTC with asked for the same $200 she gets in the VIP room at her club but we spent three hours in a hot tub in a suburban Boston hotel for that price. Others have asked for more and I've walked away. I wouldn't pay extra for a porn star though I have spent time with one or two retired lady's who where charging normal rates. I thoroughly enjoyed the experiences but if they had been advertising as PSE's and asking inflated rates I never would have even called them.

FBR
10-02-2006, 05:34 PM
My oldest son just had a birthday which painfully reminded me of my dance with Father Time. I could use an OTC right about now.

FBR

yoda57us
10-02-2006, 05:42 PM
My oldest son just had a birthday which painfully reminded me of my dance with Father Time. I could use an OTC right about now.

FBR



lol, which is worse FBR, our own B-days or those of our kids? Both elicit a similar feeling for me....

Gotta be careful, the right lady can make you feel 20 years younger but the wrong one can make you feel 20 years older....

FBR
10-02-2006, 06:07 PM
Yoda LOL I could handle those independently but when dumped on me simultaneously by a particular hot stripper I feel sort of hornswagled. I start having all these weird thoughts like "Gee, if I was only single and a few years younger...". Not good ;)

FBR

yoda57us
10-02-2006, 07:07 PM
Yoda LOL I could handle those independently but when dumped on me simultaneously by a particular hot stripper I feel sort of hornswagled. I start having all these weird thoughts like "Gee, if I was only single and a few years younger...". Not good ;)

FBR

That "Gee, if I was only single and a few years younger" is stuff is the little PL inside talking.......I should have a t-shirt with it printed on the front...:-\

FBR
10-04-2006, 05:58 PM
That "Gee, if I was only single and a few years younger" is stuff is the little PL inside talking.......I should have a t-shirt with it printed on the front...:-\

Yoda LOL I know...when I say it the retardedness is embarrassing as hell.

Since I have a post open, I had an interesting experience tonight. Hanging out with Miss D at the club, she mentioned getting together this Saturday for RR/lotion fun. I kind of hem-hawed around because my warchest is thin, believe it or not. Ive been spending more time on my regular liveliehood lately than play money sideline work :-\ Anyways, I eventually fessed up to that. She offered to do Saturday with a downpayment and a promissory note :O I'm not used to that. I always pay may way on time and in full. But Im jonesin big time for her. I told her I wasnt sure if I could do that but she stated again that it would be cool and she knew I was good for it.

This was a first. My usual tab is 5 small. She said 3 small would be fine temporarily and she would take care of the motel out of that. It was surreal. Im struggling with taking advantage of the buy now pay later or just waiting until I can pay in full upfront.

FBR

Katrine
10-04-2006, 08:29 PM
Miss D is my fucking hero. She has you by the golden balls FBR!

FBR
10-04-2006, 09:31 PM
Miss D is my fucking hero. She has you by the golden balls FBR!
Kat hmmm now you have my dander up. No further reports until I fuck her.

FBR

yoda57us
10-05-2006, 05:31 AM
FBR: Kat's right (big surprise!) the lady has you right where she wants you....I should know.

At the same time, I think her offer makes it obvious that Miss D would rather spend time with a nice guy, regular "customer" than with a dickhead who may have the cash on hand. Of course, ultimately she will figure out a way to get your money and the dickhead's money as well.

I've been in a similar situation and I went for it. No ill will from the lady and I paid the balance at her club about a week later.

I'll be waiting for that next report.....and no, accidental "ooops" insertions doesn't qualify...

FBR
10-06-2006, 05:28 PM
I need to make a mental note not to promise to abstain from posting until I accomplished a certain goal ::) Well, fuck it, I'll view this as an update rather than an actual report.

Called Miss D this afternoon. I was wondering about Saturday still. I invited her to a late afternoon couple of drinks and a cuppa soup at Chili's. She was in the middle of grading papers but was in the mood for a break and said OK.

The usual this and that conversation. Got an update on Miss A, her hangeron at the club. Miss D has hooked her up for a couple of private parties and Miss A seems to be really getting into it. I mean, unzipping and applying snaky licks getting into it. I was kinda surprised because Miss A seemed to be such a newbie innocent. Miss D said Miss A was hammered so maybe that was it.

Anyways, towards the end of our getogether I asked Miss D matter of factly where she wanted to hook up for lunch Saturday. Lunch, of course, is RR foreplay. We agreed on a restaurant but my main reason for asking was to let her know were on and to see if she inquired about the...uh...monetary details. She didnt say boo about it. Unbeknowst to her, I did finagle the money from a customer as a job progress payment and can cover my tab in full. Evil FBR is tempted to play it the other way just to see if she really would go for it on the payment plan. Sort of a profession of faith. I'll decide tommorow. Either way she will get paid of course but sometimes its interesting to see where the new battle lines may be forming.

FBR

Mastridonicus
10-07-2006, 06:26 AM
*hits fbr with the rolled up newspaper*

NO.

BAD FBR

You do NOT do this. IF you cannot afford a purchase, you do not buy it. If you can afford a purchase you pay it. IF CREDIT, IS EXTENDED TO YOU BY LOVELY WOMAN, You pay in full. You do NOT tempt fate. And you tip well.

In all seriousness bro, if you have the money, pay it. Don't risk your relationship with Miss D. It only goes down hill from there.

This is a luxury hobby, it turns evil on you very fast when you go down these roads. :D

IMO, Loans, Credit, Financing, all that malarky should have nothing to do with payed-for-affection, especially from extremely capable men such as yourself.

Not that I could tell you, ya know? :D

Jenny
10-07-2006, 07:00 AM
Gosh, FBR. If she really likes you, and I mean really, are you going to leave your wife to properly reciprocate her affection? No? Then perhaps the mind games are a little out of place.

mr_punk
10-07-2006, 09:44 AM
Unbeknowst to her, I did finagle the money from a customer as a job progress payment and can cover my tab in full. Evil FBR is tempted to play it the other way just to see if she really would go for it on the payment plan. Sort of a profession of faith. I'll decide tommorow. Either way she will get paid of course but sometimes its interesting to see where the new battle lines may be forming.LOL..FBR, i didn't know you were such a sneaky, low-down, rat bastard. <sniff..sniff> why, i'm quite proud of you. seriously, let's say you didn't have the money yet. well, it isn't unusual for strippers to ask for loans, negotiate or barter with customers. i don't see why the reverse shouldn't happen.

Katrine
10-07-2006, 01:18 PM
This is a luxury hobby, it turns evil on you very fast when you go down these roads.

Mast, what do you know about hobbying? I thought you got all your pussy promising strippers you'll fix their computers, and never finishing the job? :-X

FBR, she isn't stupid. She knows what kind of money you make.

Look at it this way, Punkster and others: poor-me strippers have lots of bargaining chips: single-mothers, bad hustler, no other job skills, deadbeat dads and abusive lovers, family member in the hospital, no health/auto insurance.

Its not so hard for a PL to take pity upon a downtrodden stripper (who is invariably lying her thong off).

BUT, FBR, you are well known in your community as a successful businessman. Your children are grown and self-sufficient. You didn't get to where you are today without protecting your assets and insuring your family in various ways.

You have NO EXCUSE! She isn't going to buy it......

mr_punk
10-08-2006, 05:51 AM
Look at it this way, Punkster and others: poor-me strippers have lots of bargaining chips: single-mothers, bad hustler, no other job skills, deadbeat dads and abusive lovers, family member in the hospital, no health/auto insurance. Its not so hard for a PL to take pity upon a downtrodden stripper (who is invariably lying her thong off).funny, i smell either blood or SS when i hear that stuff, but you're absolutely correct. anyway, i have no problem with some stripper trying to make a better deal for herself. however, i do think customers also have this tendency to roll over like lap dogs because they want to be thought of as gentlemen or under the false impression that a stripper won't press an advantage.

azdd
10-08-2006, 06:54 AM
i do think customers also have this tendency to roll over like lap dogs because they want to be thought of as gentlemen or under the false impression that a stripper won't press an advantage.

I agree 100% with this statement Mr. P. This tendency can become even more acute if you spend too much time reading the pink side of this site, and not enough time in a club being a customer, spending money. Most of the dancers I meet are either genuinely nice gals, or put on the nice gal SS persona very effectively (notice how I think I can tell the difference..../:O ).

Jenny
10-08-2006, 07:08 AM
well, it isn't unusual for strippers to ask for loans, negotiate or barter with customers. i don't see why the reverse shouldn't happen.
Well, based on how he's described her in the past she sounds mercenary. Yep, she sounds like she has come to him every week begging for a hand out to buy cat food to feed her 6 kids in a trailer.

If this particular and exact woman has been giving and friendly and forthright at a price he can well afford, then perhaps mind games with this particular and exact woman are a little out of place? I mean, what would he do if he finds out that she is is actually in love with him and wants to see him for free? I mean, what would one be trying to find out with this charade and why? And you guys wonder why some of the pinkies despise you.

yoda57us
10-08-2006, 10:00 AM
The usual this and that conversation. Got an update on Miss A, her hangeron at the club. Miss D has hooked her up for a couple of private parties and Miss A seems to be really getting into it. I mean, unzipping and applying snaky licks getting into it. I was kinda surprised because Miss A seemed to be such a newbie innocent. Miss D said Miss A was hammered so maybe that was it.

My Ms. A introduced me to a friend of hers a few months ago thinking she would be a "safe" companion for me while Ms. A did a VIP room with another regular of hers. Ms. S. promptly offered me a discount on a VIP room and proceeded to suck the chrome off of little yoda's bumper. You just never know....


Evil FBR is tempted to play it the other way just to see if she really would go for it on the payment plan. Sort of a profession of faith. I'll decide tommorow. Either way she will get paid of course but sometimes its interesting to see where the new battle lines may be forming.

FBR

Honestly, I don't see a problem with this approach. I've never had an OTC relationship with a dancer that didn't involve head games on both sides. Nothing wrong with trying to figure out where you "stand". Even though it may be in quicksand....

mr_punk
10-08-2006, 03:37 PM
Well, based on how he's described her in the past she sounds mercenary. Yep, she sounds like she has come to him every week begging for a hand out to buy cat food to feed her 6 kids in a trailer.frankly, i don't know the woman. which is why i didn't specifically refer to her. so, i'll defer to your expertise.

If this particular and exact woman has been giving and friendly and forthright at a price he can well afford, then perhaps mind games with this particular and exact woman are a little out of place?yeah, you two must be just like that <crossed fingers>. seriously, if Evil FBR wants to play "mind games". well, i'm sure he has his reasons.

I mean, what would he do if he finds out that she is is actually in love with him and wants to see him for free? I mean, what would one be trying to find out with this charade and why?if i were in his place and she told me something like that. i would probably need a new change of underwear. but hey, that's just me. OTOH, other guys like that sort of thing.

And you guys wonder why some of the pinkies despise you.oh, i don't wonder at all. like i said, you don't have to like it (me)...you just have to do it.

GenWar
10-09-2006, 05:05 AM
QUOTE=mr_punk:
however, i do think customers also have this tendency to roll over like lap dogs because they want to be thought of as gentlemen or under the false impression that a stripper won't press an advantage.
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Bah! So what? You know...I've been there. I've been fed the sob story and, while there is that sober, callous part of me that doesn't buy it, a big chunk of me wants to buy it. Yes, I want to be thought of as a gentleman. So, yes, I'll buy a pity dance or 6.

If it makes me feel good, and I am having a good time (which she is primarily responsible for, even if her tool for completing said task is a line of bullshit so deep that I am in danger of getting the bends), I am gonna go for it. The ONLY down side is that I know, in my heart of hearts, that I am going to lose some respect from mr_punk, sandy and sc_dude. That and some cash...I am perfectly fine paying that price.

-gen

xdamage
10-09-2006, 07:20 AM
I mean, what would he do if he finds out that she is is actually in love with him and wants to see him for free? I mean, what would one be trying to find out with this charade and why?

Well, there is a big grey world of possibilities between she loves him and wants him for free, and it's pure business.

Basically though I'd say it's an ego stroke for a guy if his paid for woman will occassionally throw in something for free (or even implied free), no different then say the women in this scenerio probably gets her ego stroke when the he throws her an extra large tip, compliments her, gives her money without asking for anything in return, buys her gifts, takes her out to a good restaurant.

I suppose you could whimsically think of it as the same type of mentality that causes people to carry around those preferred customer cards, or those Subway stamp cards, where your 10th sandwhich is free. People like to feel that they are somehow a little bit special.

Then of course, there is the guy fantasy of having a free fuck partner. What could be a great ego stroke then that? No pay, no entanglement sex. Not very realistic, but yes, guys have that fantasy.

Now the reality may be that this woman can't handle anything in between "love and free" and "pure business", and it's probably safest to keep it pure business. But I didn't immediately assume that FBR is hoping for an all free, let alone love based, sexual relationship. My first reaction is it's normal human behavior to want one's ego stroked. In this case, by pushing the boundaries a bit.

mr_punk
10-09-2006, 08:30 AM
Bah! So what? You know...I've been there. I've been fed the sob story and, while there is that sober, callous part of me that doesn't buy it, a big chunk of me wants to buy it. Yes, I want to be thought of as a gentleman. So, yes, I'll buy a pity dance or 6.whether or not you believe a stripper is telling you the truth about her sick mother who needs an liver transplant is irrelevant. furthermore, it's not about your "save-a-ho fantasy". it's about putting oneself at a disadvantage....period.

if it makes me feel good, and I am having a good time (which she is primarily responsible for, even if her tool for completing said task is a line of bullshit so deep that I am in danger of getting the bends), I am gonna go for it.oh, cut the crap, Gen. you won't be in danger of losing your gentlemanly reputation by refraining to talk to me as if i'm a stripper. seriously, no matter how much of a good time you're having or how much of a gentleman you think she thinks you are. there's a line you won't cross and if you did cross it. your posts would be more suited for CC. i mean, you don't seem to have a problem serving up a reality check (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74240), albeit a lubed one, when necessary.

The ONLY down side is that I know, in my heart of hearts, that I am going to lose some respect from mr_punk, sandy and sc_dude.well, that's simply not true, Gen. besides, you can't lose something that you never had.

easy_e
10-09-2006, 08:33 AM
Gosh, FBR. If she really likes you, and I mean really, are you going to leave your wife to properly reciprocate her affection? No? Then perhaps the mind games are a little out of place.

Jenny makes a good point. How many SCJ's would leave their current SO's to marry/ have a serious relationship with their ATF's, if in fact that was possible?

mr_punk
10-09-2006, 08:51 AM
well, i never planned on it, but sh#t happens. still, i think it defeats the purpose of why i go to sc. i mean, why go to a buffet and stick with one dish?

GenWar
10-09-2006, 09:02 AM
QUOTE=mr_punk:
whether or not you believe a stripper is telling you the truth about her sick mother who needs an liver transplant is irrelevant. furthermore, it's not about your "save-a-ho fantasy". it's about putting oneself at a disadvantage....period.
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How so? I mean, I read your original post a couple of times and I am missing your point. Kat said that sometimes guys will get off on feeling the pity and want to be the rescuer. You said that we PLs will roll over in order to feel like a gentleman or because they have us snowed. Where is the disadvantage? I mean, it's our money and our spending of it...I don't get how I or my fellow PLs are being abused. The only interpretation for your argument that lets me make sense of it is to apply a level of ignorance that I will not own. Yes, if the custy is clueless, this could be very very bad. But I was talking about us, the select group of custys known as "blueballers". And one of the few common characteristics about said group is a general lack of ignorance. Not being flippant, I am really missing your point here.

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QUOTE=mr_punk:
oh, cut the crap, Gen. you won't be in danger of losing your gentlemanly reputation by refraining to talk to me as if i'm a stripper. seriously, no matter how much of a good time you're having or how much of a gentleman you think she thinks you are. there's a line you won't cross and if you did cross it. your posts would be more suited for CC. i mean, you don't seem to have a problem serving up a reality check (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74240), albeit a lubed one, when necessary.
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Yes, I do have a line. I am not a complete PL, existing only to blindly and mutely hand over my money. I do have an agenda that I wish to pursue. I just want to standup for and represent those of us whose agenda is somewhat less aggressive than "I want to chew bubblegum and stick my face in the ass of as many strippers as possible. Oh yeah, and I'm all out of bubblegum." To that end, I feel I must take issue when you argue your not-uncommon us-vs.-them all-strippers-are-money-leeches theories. As weak as my arguments are, from an evidentary standpoint, I still must argue them.
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QUOTE=mr_punk:
well, that's simply not true, Gen. besides, you can't lose something that you never had.
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Which part is not true? That it is the only price I pay or that I am willing to pay it. As for not having it...well, you're probably right about nothing having Sandy's respect (does anyone?) or having sc_dude's respect (pretty good company to be in, as far as I am concerned) but not having your's? That hurts, it really does. C'mon...you must admit...sometimes, when no one is looking and you are all alone, you have a bit of a fantasy about being me. I will own to the reverse...I have thought about being you...just for a single night, in a single club...but I shake it off and realize that it is not my bag, baby...therefore, I cannot believe the reverse is not true. C'mon...it's just you and me, punky...you can admit it. ;)

-gen

mr_punk
10-09-2006, 10:49 AM
You said that we PLs will roll over in order to feel like a gentleman or because they have us snowed. Where is the disadvantage?look below, you said it yourself...

Yes, if the custy is clueless, this could be very very bad.see? well, there you go.

But I was talking about us, the select group of custys known as "blueballers".and i was not. if i meant GW or specifically anyone else for that matter. i would have said it. then again, i'm not surprised. after all, you're the guy who started the hand-wringing thread, "i know they hate us".

Yes, I do have a line. I am not a complete PL, existing only to blindly and mutely hand over my money. I do have an agenda that I wish to pursue.well, there's your reality check, "mr-i'm-such-a-big-f#cking-gentleman-and-these-strippers-think-so-too".

To that end, I feel I must take issue when you argue your not-uncommon us-vs.-them all-strippers-are-money-leeches theories. As weak as my arguments are, from an evidentary standpoint, I still must argue them.true, that's weak as dish water.

Which part is not true?LOL..stop it, you're killing me. i was hoping you were going to do that. i swear, you're like the George Costanza of SCJ. except he's a lot less neurotic.

C'mon...you must admit...sometimes, when no one is looking and you are all alone, you have a bit of a fantasy about being me.honestly, i've never thought about it. however, if ever do have get the urge to go to a sc and be bored to tears. you'll be my role model.

GenWar
10-09-2006, 12:01 PM
QUOTE=mr_punk:
and i was not. if i meant GW or specifically anyone else for that matter. i would have said it. then again, i'm not surprised. after all, you're the guy who started the hand-wringing thread, "i know they hate us".
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ok. It wasn't clear. And I didn't start a threat about knowing they hated us. I started a thread about a chick who ripped off an idiot custy. People just pounced on my comment that they hate us.
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QUOTE=mr_punk:
well, there's your reality check, "mr-i'm-such-a-big-f#cking-gentleman-and-these-strippers-think-so-too".
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Hardly. I don't think that any dancer I spend time with doesn't think that I want value for my money. Indeed, the best ones KNOW it and KNOW how to get access to said funds with as little work as possible. Which is fine...that is called, "being good at the job." And maybe them thinking I am a gentlemen is all SS...*shrug* then there are a LOT of dancers who are very good at SS. Even as self aware as I am, I would like to think that some of them can just appreciate a polite perv once in a while and aren't afraid to show it.
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QUOTE=mr_punk:
true, that's weak as dish water.
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*sigh* Nature of the industry...:'(
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QUOTE=mr_punk:
LOL..stop it, you're killing me. i was hoping you were going to do that. i swear, you're like the George Costanza of SCJ. except he's a lot less neurotic.
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Damn, dude, you can be freaking obscure sometimes. I am not seeking approval (Lord knows, I've come to the WRONG place for that.) I am just trying to understand your point. You are great at picking people apart and at your analysis of the seedier side of our hobby but sometimes you just aren't as clear as you think you are. Frankly, I usually let it go...but I really wanted to get your meaning, there. *shrug*
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QUOTE=mr_punk:
honestly, i've never thought about it. however, if ever do have get the urge to go to a sc and be bored to tears. you'll be my role model.
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Ha! So you do want to be me! I knew it. I'll send you a PM on how to choose the best seats for staring into nothingness and what drinks to order so they won't provide interesting stimulation thereby ruining the effect. ::)

-gen

P.S. For everyone else begging me to stop poking him through the bars of the cage, I feel ya. I don't know but I just can't stop!

xdamage
10-09-2006, 04:51 PM
Jenny makes a good point. How many SCJ's would leave their current SO's to marry/ have a serious relationship with their ATF's, if in fact that was possible?

I guess it depends on if he is going to get a refund or not }:D

Seriously, there is no absolute rule. Just depends on the guy and the girl.

FBR
10-09-2006, 05:16 PM
I like her a lot. And Im sure shes fond of me but mostly as a well paying customer. But she does makes me feel young and I enjoy her company so I dont mind spending...I can afford it usually. She loves the lotion massages I give her. I taught her how to be multi-orgasmic without actually fucking her other than the couple of oopsies :P . Tit for tat I guess. But no regular fuckee. She carries a condom in her purse...supposedly in case shes at a party and one of her friends need one ::) So forgive me if once in a while I like to play a mind game or two.

FBR

mr_punk
10-09-2006, 06:33 PM
ok. It wasn't clear. And I didn't start a threat about knowing they hated us. I started a thread about a chick who ripped off an idiot custy. People just pounced on my comment that they hate us.well, can you blame them? i mean, you're constantly gnashing your teeth about the subject.

Hardly. I don't think that any dancer I spend time with doesn't think that I want value for my money. Indeed, the best ones KNOW it and KNOW how to get access to said funds with as little work as possible. Which is fine...that is called, "being good at the job." And maybe them thinking I am a gentlemen is all SS...*shrug* then there are a LOT of dancers who are very good at SS. Even as self aware as I am, I would like to think that some of them can just appreciate a polite perv once in a while and aren't afraid to show it.LOL..you're still talking like i'm a stripper and you're Sir Lancelot bestowing largesse among the peasants. you don't know what these strippers are thinking. oh, you know what they tell you. furthermore, if they don't get with your program. you're going to show them the door, right? in the end, you buying pity dances for a stripper doesn't make you "patron saint of the strippers" except in your own head.

Damn, dude, you can be freaking obscure sometimes. I am not seeking approval (Lord knows, I've come to the WRONG place for that.) I am just trying to understand your point. You are great at picking people apart and at your analysis of the seedier side of our hobby but sometimes you just aren't as clear as you think you are. Frankly, I usually let it go...but I really wanted to get your meaning, there. *shrug*first of all, George..er..Gen. it was a joke to pull yer chain. there's no need to overanalyze a joke. secondly, if you actually stopped overanalyzing every comment as if it pertains to you. well, perhaps it wouldn't sound as if you're looking for approval.

easy_e
10-10-2006, 01:23 PM
I guess it depends on if he is going to get a refund or not }:D

Seriously, there is no absolute rule. Just depends on the guy and the girl.

Agreed, but what I was getting at is the infatuation we PL's get over certain dancers, which can be somewhat diminished by actually living with them on a daily basis as opposed to seeing only the club/escort persona. Incidently, I define PL rather broadly as any customer who goes beyond the "how much to fuck you" line and actually views the dancer as a human being. The mind game is that even if the infatuation is mutual, how many would take it to the next level rather than keep things safely in "play for pay" mode.

mr_punk
10-10-2006, 03:32 PM
Agreed, but what I was getting at is the infatuation we PL's get over certain dancers, which can be somewhat diminished by actually living with them on a daily basis as opposed to seeing only the club/escort persona.live with them? LOL...a customer doesn't need that high of a threshold to find out his ATF isn't a girl scout.

Incidently, I define PL rather broadly as any customer who goes beyond the "how much to fuck you" line and actually views the dancer as a human being.no, he doesn't view her as human being. it's more like an ethereal temple virgin who is saving her chastity for him.

The mind game is that even if the infatuation is mutual, how many would take it to the next level rather than keep things safely in "play for pay" mode.it would depend on what one has to lose (or gain) by going down that road.

xdamage
10-10-2006, 06:42 PM
it would depend on what one has to lose (or gain) by going down that road.

Precisely.



Agreed, but what I was getting at is the infatuation we PL's get over certain dancers, which can be somewhat diminished by actually living with them on a daily basis as opposed to seeing only the club/escort persona.


I'm not into the ATF thing myself. I don't really see the point. Seems like variety and freedom to choose is one of the benefits of the SC, so why focus strictly on one? But ya, well it depends on many factors.

Is she a psycho a bitch? If so she might make a fun lay but any sane guy is going to pick up on that pretty damn quick and realize she is going to make his life a living hell.

Is this the kind of guy that grows bored quickly and has a new ATF every month... well you know.

Is the guy the type that can deal with his woman sucking on another man's (fill in the blank) for a living. By blank I meant "ear" of course. Not every guy can handle that.

Maybe the guy is overall happy with his SO but the sex life has grown boring. It happens. Doesn't mean the guy wants to give up all the good for that, just wants something to suppliment what's missing.

Maybe they really click chemically and personality wise in ways that the guy and his SO never have and never will click.

And so on.