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Katrine
11-20-2004, 04:25 PM
Ok, I am blonde and fit, but that is irrelevant. Its not all about blondes in Houston. Its about the increasingly high risk that a dancer is going to get arrested by undercover LE or busted in a club sweep.
Many dancers in Htown also work at the spas and escort agencies. But before, it was ok to make a great income for mostly out of town businessmen. Now with the spa girls having no where else to go, they are going to be doing their deeds in-club even more so, and undercutting....
Its a gut feeling, I just know this. Holidays are super slow in Houston.
Yes, I've made great money there but I think I will lay low from dancing there for a while at least until I see where they are going with this bullshit morality kick they are on.....
And they have arrested dancers for sitting in laps, etc....you won't get convicted generally, but you have an arrest on your record and can no longer get a dancer license....plus lawyer fees....screw that!
OTC is only a few months away...that will be a good time.......
Susan Wayward
11-20-2004, 04:29 PM
Kat, it's interesting that you say the holidays are slow in Houston. I have always found the time between Thanksgiving and New Year's to be my best time of the year in Austin. Maybe you'll get to compare this year?
Katrine
11-20-2004, 04:37 PM
I'm definately NOT going to work Houston over the holidays. I am a badass hustler, you ladies I've worked with know this, and the only way I was able to make money dancing there over the last few holidays was by performing extras and/or take-out. Sorry, my confession, I felt like dirt about it, and my psyche is too fragile to do that anymore. :(
Other times of the year is better.....
miabella
11-20-2004, 04:44 PM
houston is sort of melonie's dancer-econ writ large. a 9 or 10 girl can make decent money just dancing if she can get hired at the several really big upscale clubs. treasures for example is a whorehouse, but a lot of girls make money (500+ nightly) just dancing or getting drunk rich guys to pay them for hanging out. really, because so many girls in houston get lazy and fall back on extras, a lot of 8s who are good hustlers can make decent money in the larger clubs.
as for houston's numerous small-medium clubs, a girl who is extremely unique will do all right, and it's not hard to find a place where you'll stand out in a good way and be able to dance how you want and still bank.
that said, so many guys EXPECT a lot, even after paying for airdances, that houston is a hassle for clean dancers to work in long-term. there's a sort of mental stress involved in constantly seeing (or hearing) other girls doing so much for not that much money overall. i can make 300-500+ normally with no extras, and generally medium, sometimes low contact. but i also found this site, which has really been invaluable. a lot of girls who have no access to resources like this site and dance clean (99% of clean dancers here, heh) make 100-200 TOPS. and some nights i still lose sales to extras girls.
i'm still glad i started here, since if i can make money dancing clean here, i should be good to go in a lot of lower-contact cities and states. but that said, i'm trying dallas next month and if it goes well, i am surely not working here anytime soon.
Katrine
11-20-2004, 04:54 PM
I just want to state, for the record, that I am NOT an "extras girl", whatever that means. I've done great in Houston with high mileage, but no extras dancing.
There aren't that many businessmen in town during the holidays, and wallets are tight for spending. I do prefer dancing for out of towners, they are the only decent clean money there anymore....locals are too jaded.
Sure, it was ultimately greed, desperation, and laziness. Plus, its just so easy to do these things in the private rooms, no cameras, no bouncers. You can hear slurping sounds from the booth next to you. My ultimate worries right now is LE busts, which can be for ANY reason.
All I know if that the few times I was really in the hole and had to go the extra "mile" to make my bills was holiday season there. Judge ye lest not....and all that other shit.....
miabella
11-20-2004, 05:07 PM
oh, i don't mind that girls do extra, it's just that so many of them will not apply good hustle techniques to selling extras. they just figure 'anything for 100$'. so many girls who at least try to sell 'just dances' are lazy when it comes to extras. that's my beef. especially if it's in the club, it should cost more than 4-5 dances, goddammit. hell, all the girls got called in at my club because some of the new weekender girls were undercutting extras dramatically (FS, yes, for like 50), and he strongly recommended girls not do extra for less than 300. i see so many girls sell a bj for like 50-60, sometimes 100 and then just stop hustling for like 2 hours. in that time i still get 2-3 dances from the same guy and a couple others to boot. that's what i mean by girls falling back on extras. it just irritates me that in houston so many girls charge streetwalker rates in the club, where it should cost at least 50% more.
michele1
11-20-2004, 05:19 PM
Why would anybody who works at scores want to go work in houston? You arent going to make more in houstan than at clubs like scores or pec.
postman
11-22-2004, 01:26 AM
The Go Go Rama in Laurence Harbor NJ is a place that dancers can regularly make big money. Limited to about 12 dancers, it's hard to get shifts though. The dancers are private dancing all night , except for stage time. No selling required. Customers have to take a number and wait for their dance. I've never seen a place like this goldmine. I know dancers from Providence who go down there whenever they can get some shifts to make some serious money.
tigergirl
11-22-2004, 09:40 AM
Houston Update
Five or so days after the spa busts there have been 3 or 4 spa girls show up at the club I wait at looking to dance, and all were former dancers, and I suspect all will do extras in the club - but I only suspect that - no real evidence yet. So, if there are 50 or more clubs in Houston and half of them get 3 or 4 new "spa" girls - like my club, that would be an influx of roughly 100 dancers. That in itself does not significantly water down the opportunity in Houston. Let's face it, this is a town of several thousand dancers.
Here is the issue I see that should really be considered. Since the busts, the crowd at my club has been down 10 to 20 percent - and that is worse if I consider "regular" customers, who may for now be "scared" away from the club. Their absence has been made up by some "new" faces - I will guess that some of these are displaced spa customers. Not to get long winded, but the current result is that there are slightly smaller crowds, but it seems a higher percentage (than even normal Houston standards) of custys seeking extras.
I am not an economist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once, but the current climate would suggest that girls who do do extras will fare even a little better than before - not fair at all, but that is my honest observation.
Oh yeah, I get asked all of the time to bring over dancers to a custy "who will play", etc. and the request is usually preceeded by getting a keep the change Jackson for a six dollar beer. How do I handle this ? Well, I don't bring girls over, but I will "indicate" who they should talk too if that is what they are chasing, but I always provide the warning that managers have really been cracking down on that lately, maybe not wise at this time, etc. Even if that is not 100% true, I hope it helps to take that crap outside of the club and at the same time keeps me in good graces with the customer.
Sorry this is so long but thought some of y'all might be interested.
Katrine
11-22-2004, 10:50 AM
Thanks for the heads up Tigergirl! When I waitressed @ The Colorado, I would often get the same request. I would just point the customers over to talk to the ugliest girl in the house, and yes, I would pocket the extra "tip" LOL.
I've been doing great in Austin, San Antonio, and I'm going to New Orleans next week. All of these places are low-risk for bust and low-demand for extras.
On Thanksgiving, I think I am going to grab a friend and hit Treasures or TMC as a customer and scope out things, although it might not be the best day, I am not going to spend any more time than I have to out there........
So back on-topic JordanKeyWest. If you wanna come to Texas, decent earnings are here, San An, and Dallas is always good. Plus they are opening a new club in Harlingen in December, and there is money there as well. They would love to have you out there. But you are looking at $500-600 a night average IMO.