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Katrine
11-09-2004, 05:44 AM
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6374820/

Ah, my homeland of Ukraine in a tight presidential runoff between two even more massive idjiots than Bush V Kerry.

You have this proven anti-semite facist Yushchenko, who wants to severe ties to Russia tied with this patsy for Russia Yanukovich, in one of the most corrupt and incompetent governments in Europe. They are anticipating terrorist bombing to occur during the election from Uki nationalists.

America, this could have been us! Let's thank our lucky stars and pray with me that Yushchenko doesn't get elected!

Here is a more detailed article with some background:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/nm/20041101/wl_nm/ukraine_dc

Accusations of cheating at the polls; sound familiar????

Thanks, Kat

Katrine
11-09-2004, 06:04 AM
http://www.ourukraine.org/newsletter/issue47/

This is a newer article, favored towards, Yushchenko, but with more details about the poll tamperings.....

Djoser
11-09-2004, 12:59 PM
Thanks for the links, fascinating stuff...

Gosh, this almost makes Bush look like a trustworthy, enlightened, ethical leader, haha.

VenusGoddess
11-09-2004, 01:38 PM
^ :rotfl: Almost, but not quite. ;)

Katrine
11-09-2004, 04:42 PM
This has the makings of major soap opera drama. Doing further research, maybe Yushchenko isn't so bad after all. He has been endorse by Washington and the EU. I've never felt much for Ukrainian nationalism since I left it was part of "Mother Russia" but maybe they need to be their own country.

Unfortunately their ties to the easy are too valuable to abandon the Kremlin at this point. I also worry about persecution of ethnic minorities over there is Yushchenko is elected. Luckily, I only have one jewish family member still in Kiev, but I would hate the already strong anti-semitism to grow worse.

If you look at the last link, Yushchenko was poisoned in September. His looks have changed dramatically. They say his opposition party might have been the culprit.
http://www.brama.com/news/press/2004/11/041108wp_yushchenko-interview.html

Drama, drama, drama, like ya'll care, LOL!

Djoser
11-09-2004, 05:00 PM
Doing further research, maybe Yushchenko isn't so bad after all. He has been endorse by Washington and the EU. I've never felt much for Ukrainian nationalism since I left it was part of "Mother Russia" but maybe they need to be their own country.


Exactly who in Washington, our esteemed President? Perhaps he has agreed to support our glorious War in Iraq if elected?

I do know that the Ukraine--the source of much of the real vigor to be found in the Russian Empire, and subsequently the U.S.S.R.--has always had nationalist leanings. Hitler might well have won the war against Russia had he taken advantage of the initial reaction to the German "emancipation" of the Ukraine.

RedZ28
11-09-2004, 08:37 PM
Good stuff there Kat. Nothing makes you a believer in our "enlightened" politics like seeing how things are done elsewhere. Don't know if you remember, but over in the Taiwanese legislature when opposing viewpoints are expressed, sometimes a fistfight occurs lol.

Katrine
11-09-2004, 09:52 PM
Many Ukrainians, Chechens, and Crimean Tatars collaborated with the Nazi's in WWII. I can PM you the link with photos, but its off a racist/anti-semite propoganda page and it is very disturbing. Plus I think its written in Uki, I need to find out....

The nationalistic leanings were only in the west during SSR. Western Ukraine hasalways had stronger cultural and language ties to Poland and Belarus. This intense nationalism only spread to the east since the country became independant.

I understand that a fledgling nation must create a sense of autonomy and solidarity, but it often turns into racism and nationalism.....There are many different ethnic groups in the country, only about 60% of the country are actually Ukis, with many Russians, Moldovans, Greeks, Tatars, etc, filling the rest. The must have a voice too.

There is nothing inherantly wrong with making the official language of the country Ukrainian, although it would be more globally insightful to add Russian as a second language due to the population (over 90% are russian speakers) and in order to maintain ties to Russia. They still need each other. But the prospect of UE membership is also mighty tasty, so I couldn't be too opposed to westernization is it might bring money into the country. Russia isn't exactly generous to its former states. Rather they have a parasitial relationship.

Brief overview at the bottom:
http://www.fresno.k12.ca.us/schools/s090/history/nat_yugo_ukr.htm

This article is a bit more intesive:
http://www.plp.org/cd_sup/ukfam3.html

Sorry so long, I got really into writing this. I hope this information is of interest to you guys!