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Daddyforhire
11-11-2004, 01:48 PM
Not totally true. I've had a professor attempt to fail me on a paper (in english class) that was techically sound simply because my opinion did not concur with her publically vocalized opinion. I say "try" because I took the matter up with the department chair who awarded me an A. This happens all across America. It has happened to co-workers of mine. It has happened to customers of mine. It has happened to guys and girls on forums I visit.

Daddyforhire
11-11-2004, 01:49 PM
so how do you think you escaped the brainwashing and managed to stay in touch with the "real world"?
Because I used the same technique I always use. I collected all the data and made my own analyzation instead of being spoon-fed an agenda-driven sugar coated fantasy.


also, you never answered my question. Do you believe that God created man?

Yes.

Emily
11-11-2004, 01:58 PM
Because I used the same technique I always use. I collected all the data and made my own analyzation instead of being spoon-fed an agenda-driven sugar coated fantasy.

.....
Yes.

Why do you believe that God created man, when all scientific evidence suggests otherwise?

Is that from collecting data and making your own analysis?

PhaedrusZ
11-11-2004, 02:09 PM
LOL. there is no plot in colleges to brainwash everyone to be liberal. There are many conservate professors and there are plenty of institutions like Brigham Young and Bob Jones University. Most Universities are located in the N.E. and the N.E. simply tends to be more liberal. There is no great conspiracy.
Oh, I dunno...supposedly, the Bruin Republican Club had some problems on the UCLA campus in SoCal earlier this year

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37843

and a rebuttal link

http://www.latinola.com/story.php?story=1660


PhaedrusZ

Daddyforhire
11-11-2004, 02:10 PM
Why do you believe that God created man, when all scientific evidence suggests otherwise?

Because what you have suggested is not true. There is even a physics equation written by a noted PHD Dr. that absolutely proves that there is a God as creator.


Is that from collecting data and making your own analysis?

Not to be trite, but yes, it is. :)

polecat
11-11-2004, 02:16 PM
OMG, LOL! Thanks for sharing this URL, Adina. I laughed my ass off.

Of course, jabbing rednecks/nascar fans, gun-rack and confederate flag wavers in the ribs almost always results in discussion of God, maps and stuff, and talk of how tough it is to build oil refineries, etc.etc. ;D

LauraLove
11-11-2004, 02:25 PM
Why do you believe that God created man, when all scientific evidence suggests otherwise?

Because what you have suggested is not true. I don't want to come across as disrespectful of anyone's religious beliefs, but honestly it's a bit funny to me that a person who accuses others of being brainwashed by the institutions of higher education, would make such a statement.

Because I used the same technique I always use. I collected all the data and made my own analyzation instead of being spoon-fed an agenda-driven sugar coated fantasy.

And what of persons who disagree with you that have also come to their own conclusion in the same manner as you. Are those people also brainwashed?

hardkandee
11-11-2004, 03:49 PM
Not totally true. I've had a professor attempt to fail me on a paper (in english class) that was techically sound simply because my opinion did not concur with her publically vocalized opinion. I say "try" because I took the matter up with the department chair who awarded me an A. This happens all across America. It has happened to co-workers of mine. It has happened to customers of mine. It has happened to guys and girls on forums I visit.
And this happens to everyone. There are liberal professors that take advantage of conservatives and their are conservatives that take advantage of liberals. :shrug: It's sad, but your are right, it happens.

Djoser
11-11-2004, 04:13 PM
Because what you have suggested is not true. There is even a physics equation written by a noted PHD Dr. that absolutely proves that there is a God as creator.


Does he get an automatic pass to heaven for that?

Where is this equation--and why, if the existence of God has been without question been scientifically proven, have we not heard more about it?

Such a discovery would dwarf all human knowledge and endeavor, and would be emblazoned on the front pages of every newspaper on Earth. Forgive my skepticism, but this smacks of brainwashing--probably from all those college credits.

GnBeret
11-11-2004, 04:30 PM
Damn, hell, piss, shit, fuck! See, this is what I get for going to law school in the South - I would've LOVED to have at least had the opportunity to hear some of the left-wing, liberal stuff they're brainwashing people with... wherever the hell that's supposedly going on. Instead, I had the misfortune of going to a school where the Con Law professor called me into his office at the beginning of the semester and asked me to please help him out by speaking up more in class, 'cause out of 90 students I was one of only two who weren't completely wed to the right-wing Republican party line... and it's a lot easier to make the case law learning method work like it's supposed to if both sides are being presented and argued. Crud... all that right-wing crap they tried to brainwashy me with too - talk about annoying to have to sit and listen to!>:(

Re equation that "absolutely proves" there is a God... THIS I've got to see: it's the Holy Grail of man's existence on Earth! Show me. Please./:O

Djoser
11-11-2004, 04:52 PM
I found it to be quite amusing that on the top left corner of the link describing how a conservative talk show host had saved the college Republicans' convention, there was this priceless little gem:

"Changed Lives: Miracles of the Passion (DVD)

You've seen Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ." Now see how that uniquely powerful film has served as a catalyst for change in this eye-opening documentary. These are the true stories of people whose lives have been radically and miraculously altered as a result of having seen that blockbuster film.

Shot in High Definition, "Changed Lives: Miracles of The Passion" is a 1-hour program that captures, in their own words, people's inspiring and documented accounts of relationships restored, diseases healed, the dead resurrected, atheists coming to faith and even a confession to murder.

"It is truly unprecedented the way God has used 'The Passion' to bring healing, reconciliation and peace to people across the nation and around the globe," says Executive Producer Jody Eldred. "

http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=864


I was also fascinated by the rebuttal link, which describes how "on campus, the
Bruin Republicans, with the assistance of at least $28,000 raised from "hate
radio," are demanding that MEChA denounce its founding documents. BR members, like their ideological brethren, apparently can't read. They insist that MEChA denounce "El Plan de Aztlan" (which is not its founding document)."

There is no link for any Miracle videos on the rebuttal page.

Thanks for a cool post, PhaedrusZ.

Emily
11-11-2004, 05:00 PM
Daddyforhire.

That's cool that you are using faith as a basis of inference. That's your right in this country. It doesn't make it proof. I've read some of these proofs and they are circular. The beauty of Quantum Mechanics is a number of unlikely things have to be assumed.

One is that any two hydrogen atoms in the universe can spontaneously undergo fusion. (I find this remarkable, but it's palatable if my faith lends itself to this concept.)

So, why, after you've scientifically evaluated all possible theories, have you denounced evolution?

Jay Zeno
11-11-2004, 05:03 PM
However I dont think that people like Jay are the norm in his party but rather the exception. <profanity edited>

It's NOT MY PARTY!!

I'm registered Republican as a convenience in my district because that is where my vote has the most meaning. If the Democrats were the majority in my district, I'd be a registered Democrat!

The reason I spend SO MUCH FRUITLESS TIME in SEEMING to protect some nebulous conservative thoughts is not because I care what happens to Republicans, because I don't. What I do like to argue against is blind faith, knee-jerk reactions, monolithic thinking, and value blindness. I argue against that with both conservatives and liberals with equal glee - it's just that on this forum, the liberals are more numerous.



I dont think thats what alot (the majority?) of Repubs voters want or they would have put their support behind McCain. They didnt- they wanted Bush That was their mistake - just as it was so obviously a mistake for the Democrats to want Kerry. We had no choice but to live with a mistake, either way.



I don't think Repubs (in general) want the two sides to "work together" I think the want to get rid of the Dem party COMPLETELY. Yes, one side has a monopoly in virtue. If you're a conservative, it's the conservatives. If you're a liberal, it's the liberals.



In the most base simplistic terms, I think Repubs are out to "get" people like me :O they dont agree with liberal concepts and want to eradicate them from our culture. Just the way that liberals have worked to promote liberal views and eradicate the conservative ones.



I think the ultimate "Conservative" goal is the eliminate any opposition.
They want control of everything. Funny, I've never heard a liberal say, "I wish the conservatives were in control of ......"


I don't know if my point is made. I hear both extremes saying the exact same thing - just in different directions. To me, it's two sides of an amusingly corrupt coin.

Daddyforhire
11-11-2004, 05:33 PM
Read "The Physics of Mortality" by Frank J. Tipler.

And now that I've answered several questions, here's one of my own:

Age & level of education?

I'm out.

doc-catfish
11-11-2004, 05:35 PM
Damnit, once more into the fray:
Addicting isn't it? 8)


Of course. Colleges are havens for uber-liberals that rarely exam things in a "real world" context but rather debate utopian constructs and attempt to implement thos fantasies thru inculcation of young and moldable minds.
I wonder if some of these tenured university professors making $100K a year would re-examine things if they we're suddenly out of work and began getting the business end of some of the ideas they've long espoused.


Amazing how you can be subjected to a professor's political agenda in an algebra class isn't it?
Yes, I can relate to you on that one. What's even more amazing that it goes on at universities located even in the reddest of red states. I can only imagine what the academic environment would be like in California or the Northeast.

LauraLove
11-11-2004, 05:39 PM
I have to respectfully disagree with most of what Jay just posted above.


In general, I find that "liberals" feel both sides should be represented. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for most of the "conservative' persons I have experienced.

I also do not see "liberals" trying to force their personal belief structure on the entire population, or world for that matter. This is something conservatives have a monopoly on in the US.

"Liberals" want to choose things for themselves, whereas many a "conservative" wants to choose for everyone.

I'm sorry, but there is a big difference between the overall actions of the two parties. And if a person is offended at being lumped with the party he or she is registered with then maybe that person is not being true to his or her real

Jay Zeno
11-11-2004, 05:41 PM
Your views can always be counted on .... I missed this one, Dj. Thanks, man.



I especially loved your cogent summation of the various Presidential attributes--I forget where--but it was so true, and very funny... This one?

Well, having lived through the troll Johnson, the maniac Nixon, the wimp Ford, the ineffectual Carter, the senile Reagan, the waffling Bush, the pecker-driven Clinton, and the English-impaired Bush, I can say that somehow, through all the hand-wringing and bemoaning of opponents, this democratic republic keeps moving on and enduring.



I have to respectfully disagree with most of what Jay just posted above. Our experiences obviously differ, Laura. Maybe we both need to get out more.

If I held to my political beliefs, I'd register "independent," but then I wouldn't have a say in any primary. I know - I've tried.

doc-catfish
11-11-2004, 05:47 PM
So, why, after you've scientifically evaluated all possible theories, have you denounced evolution?
Since when do creationism and evolution have to be mutually exclusive philosiphies? He merely said that he believed that God created man, not that it happened according to the literal interpretation of the Bible that fundies are trying to ram down everyone's throats. DFH will have to clarify on that one.

Topaz
11-11-2004, 05:50 PM
is there something wrong with believing in God?...and that He is the creator of all things?...is there something wrong with being a spiritual person...and having faith in a higher being?...i'm just curious...because man...humans...will always let you down...or betray your trust...or lie to gain whatever...or 'brainwash' folks...

i'd rather put my faith in God rather than man...God's creations are the reason that scientists (sp) have something to study...where did the atom come from?...

Daddyforhire
11-11-2004, 06:20 PM
I subscribe to the belief that the bible is literal in most of its parts, but figurative in Genesis where it describes the beginning.

I do not hold too stringent a belief in the wisdom of man. Over the past several centuries science has told us many things that have proven to be false.

As an aside (sort of anyway), I have had two PHD's for chemistry so far, and in talking to both of them in private I have learned that both are strong Christians. So you tell me, how can men who have studied life on such a miniscule level for so long at such depth possibly believe in God in spite of their studies? The answer they each gave me is that the level of their faith is because of their studies. I'm sure to some that pales in comparison to the vast and yet shallow learnings of the google searchers, but it carries weight with me ;)

Tigerlilly
11-11-2004, 07:03 PM
I'm sure to some that pales in comparison to the vast and yet shallow learnings of the google searchers, but it carries weight with me
The search for knowledge is something to encourage, not something to make fun of >:(

There is more than one way to search for it as well. Neither your way or my way (etc., etc) is the only way to acquire knowledge of the world.

For example -- just because I am extensively trained in classical ballet doesn't mean that is the only acceptable of possible form of dance. I might prefer it to tap but that doesn't make tap any less of an art form.

Casual Observer
11-11-2004, 07:46 PM
In general, I find that "liberals" feel both sides should be represented. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for most of the "conservative' persons I have experienced.

I also do not see "liberals" trying to force their personal belief structure on the entire population, or world for that matter. This is something conservatives have a monopoly on in the US.

"Liberals" want to choose things for themselves, whereas many a "conservative" wants to choose for everyone.

Methinks you need to get out more, Laura.

Liberals are responsible for such brilliant social engineering fiascos like gun control, affirmative action, thought/hate crimes legislation, campus speech codes, nanny governance of the citizenry, et al.

Liberals have just as much interest as (social) conservatives as imposing their worldview on society. And until 1996, they'd done a pretty good job of it, having a 40-year run of legislative power.

Madcap
11-11-2004, 07:54 PM
I subscribe to the belief that the bible is literal in most of its parts, but figurative in Genesis where it describes the beginning.
So i'm assuming that you mean Sampson actually ripped down the city gates and carried them ten miled, or that he literally killed 10,000 men with the jawbone of a donkey?

Or that nine hundred foot tall giants were born of a union between the "Sons of God" and the "Daughters of men" (It says in the bible that the Nephlim were to us "as men are to locusts").

I'm assuming you mean that rabbits chew cud (the bible states flat out that rabbits chew cud). Um, Rabbits don't chew Cud. I'm assuming you mean that Bats are birds as stated in Leviticus...

I'm assuming you mean that the "virtuous" family of Noah carried every known sexually transmitted disease with them on the Ark.

I'm assuming you mean the sun stopped in the sky cuz Josh wanted it to...

Or that Saul just couldn't get those "evil spirits from the lord" off of him...

This gets even more ludicrous. Get into Ezekiel, god not only hates women, but he hates pillows. Bizarre. I'll post the verse for ya, because it's just too weird... Ezekiel 13:18 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the [women] that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive [that come] unto you? Ezekiel 13:19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear [your] lies? Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make [them] fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, [even] the souls that ye hunt to make [them] fly.

Fucking bizarre...

And to paraphrase another weird verse, this one from Isaiah... Isaiah 8:3 Isaiah has sex with a prophetess who conceives and bears a son. (You weren't expecting a daughter, were you?) God then tells Isaiah to call his name Mathershalalhashbaz. (It has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?)

How about this one Ezekiel 4:12 - God tells Ezekiel to eat barley cakes that are made with "the dung that cometh out of man." (Yum!)

How anyone can believe this bullshit is beyond me. Over my head, man.

To each their own, believe what ya want... Seems like the Easter Bunny, Santa, and the Tooth Faerie rolled up into one. No issue with the people who buy into this line of fable, but i just can't see why anyone believes it. Might as well Pray to Zeus and Thor.

Tigerlilly
11-11-2004, 08:03 PM
Methinks you need to get out more, Laura.

Liberals are responsible for such brilliant social engineering fiascos like gun control, affirmative action, thought/hate crimes legislation, campus speech codes, nanny governance of the citizenry, et al.

Liberals have just as much interest as (social) conservatives as imposing their worldview on society. And until 1996, they'd done a pretty good job of it, having a 40-year run of legislative power.
So now she needs to get out more because she doesnt share the same opinions as you do ? Whatever ::)

Oh yeah and hate crime legislation is just such a horrible thing, right?

Please-give me a break! Maybe if a person is bigoted then hate crime legislation might be a bad thing, but for the rest of the people-especially those who are the usual victims of hate crime-it's a very, very good thing. And if trying to limit people from stock piling assault weapons is a bad thing then - well sorry but some mental help might be in order

Also -- liberals dont try to force others into following their personal code, we want everyone to be able to pick whats best for their own self.

If promoting independent thinking and individual choice is imposing their worldview on society, then yes liberals take part in it.That's completely different though than saying there is only one way in religion or politics etc., which is something many right-wingers do ALOT of

btw Madcap-great examples of literal translation !!!!

Sorry DaddyforHire but with the numerous language translations and political history of the world I just cant buy into thatt every word is God's word thing. I think the Bible is a great source of history and loaded with fables that can teach us about humanity but that's as far as I can go with it on any logical level.

Madcap
11-11-2004, 08:12 PM
Leviticus 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he [is] unclean unto you.

So according to the 100% correct bible, Rabbits (Hares) chew cud. Someone should tell the rabbits...

And how many evil spirits did god send after Saul? Lets find out, shall we?

1st Samuel 16:14-16 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee. Let our lord now command thy servants, [which are] before thee, to seek out a man, [who is] a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.

1st Samuel 16:23 And it came to pass, when the [evil] spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

1st Samuel 18:10 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and [there was] a javelin in Saul's hand.

1st Samuel 19:9 And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with [his] hand.

For such a 100% good god, he's sure sending out a lot of evil spirits to torment Saul, eh? Lets not talk about the ten times he hardens Pharoah's heart so that he will not let the people go...

Dealing with the wrong Muchacho as far as the bible goes, bud. I've read that sucker cover to cover about ninety five times. Reading it all the way MYSELF cost me my faith, how do ya like that? The bible drive me away from christianity.

montythegeek
11-11-2004, 08:32 PM
Emily,
Not to interject too much in the discussion but their are valid interpretations of "God creating man" which do not require the rejection of the theory of evolution. As a comparison phrasing did the person who put the ingredients together and put them in the oven "make" the cake or did the corporation who made the cake mix "make" it. Both can be valid interpretations of "making" the cake without requiring rejection of the contribution of the other in the end result.

Madcap
11-11-2004, 08:48 PM
I'll buy that, Monty. It's the litearalism of a 2500 year old book that annoys me (Oral tradition about a thousand years older). Believe in God all you want, but if someone tries to grab me by the britches and shove me headlong into the seventeenth century, forget it.

Jay Zeno
11-11-2004, 08:52 PM
There's little doubt that the Bible, in its various and often conflicting iterations, could not pass one-fiftieth of the type of scrutiny and verification that creationists insist happen in science education.

devilkitty
11-11-2004, 10:32 PM
Actually the first settlement was in Virginia, and Everyone in the south isnt a red neck. I live in a very beautiful progressive town. Also if you hate the south stop fucking moving here asswipes. One more thing, as a cartoon in a deli i worked at once printed "We dont care how you do it in New York.

Madcap
11-11-2004, 10:55 PM
I'd hardly brag about Jamestown.

I don't hate the south, and i don't intend to move there.

devilkitty
11-12-2004, 09:09 AM
I am not bragging about Jamestown i was just saying that the first settlement was in virginia.They were english anyways.

devilkitty
11-12-2004, 09:11 AM
Well then could you tell all your buddys that is fine to visit florida just make sure they dont decide to stay....THANKS

Madcap
11-12-2004, 09:17 AM
If people hate the south, then i agree that they shouldn't move to florida. And i'd NEVER move to Florida, there's rather large cockroaches there that FLY!!! :yuck:

stant
11-12-2004, 10:57 AM
For what it's worth, I've never lived in the South, but have travelled a fair amount in the South, and have known a fair number of southerners.

In my limited experience, the openminded southerners I've met (most of them) had confronted difficult issues of bigotry we all carry and had dealt with these feelings directly.

Those of us from supposedly far less bigoted communities should be so wise to take a look at ourselves as critically.

After all, isn't the statement "f the south" pure bigotry?

Daddyforhire
11-12-2004, 12:15 PM
Funny how athiests and agnostics will bitch about Christians trying to force their views onto others and then they spend the next 2 hours doing the exact same thing but in an even nastier and cynical way.

The splinter and the log.

Maybe those of you who are still wounded and lost feel better by venting, trying to gain validation of your rationale for abandoning God. Maybe some of you just read "The Vampire Lestat" too many times. Whatever the case may be, why be so bitter?

Believe what you want. I'm not trying to convert any of you, and you can't convert me. So let's move on :)

Emily
11-12-2004, 12:28 PM
Funny how athiests and agnostics will bitch about Christians trying to force their views onto others and then they spend the next 2 hours doing the exact same thing but in an even nastier and cynical way.


I don't care what you believe, and I don't even care what Bush believes, but when he is voted back into office largely because he takes a moral highground, then it concerns me.

Madcap
11-12-2004, 01:37 PM
Funny how athiests and agnostics will bitch about Christians trying to force their views onto others and then they spend the next 2 hours doing the exact same thing but in an even nastier and cynical way.

The splinter and the log.

Maybe those of you who are still wounded and lost feel better by venting, trying to gain validation of your rationale for abandoning God. Maybe some of you just read "The Vampire Lestat" too many times. Whatever the case may be, why be so bitter?

Believe what you want. I'm not trying to convert any of you, and you can't convert me. So let's move on :)
It's not GOD i have issue with. It's literalism. Insisting that the bible is 100% literally accurate (Or even 80% literally accurate) means accepting that Rabbits chew cud even though they don't. Somewhere in some of these stories from the old testament is a nugget of truth (I have no doubt that there was a real person on whom the legends about King David are based, for instance), but all the magic and spooks and smiting from the heavens i just don't buy. Insist that these stories are true all you want, but you might as well insist that Perseus actually killed Medusa.

And i really kind of dislike Ann Rice's work. Servant of the Bones was okay, but most of the Vampire chronicles shits the bed.

Djoser
11-12-2004, 01:49 PM
I would like to see the children of this glorious land of Liberty properly given a chance to exercise their right to follow religious practices in school, by sacrificing oxen and examining the entrails. Their parents might not let them do so enough in the 18 hours remaining to them...

Let Zeus into Our Schools!

devilkitty
11-12-2004, 02:15 PM
We genetically breed the cockroaches to FlY so people that are scared of lil old bugs wont move here.

devilkitty
11-12-2004, 02:16 PM
This thread is stupid. Whoever thinks that where you are born affects your I.Q Is shall we say.....not so bright?

Madcap
11-12-2004, 03:20 PM
This thread is stupid. Whoever thinks that where you are born affects your I.Q Is shall we say.....not so bright?
Scanned the thread (admittedly briefly) and i didn't see that anywhere. In fact i haven't seen much southerner bashing at all (I certainly never offered any, my contributions to this thread have been picking apart faery tales), the thread started as a link to a totally different website.

Even if i disliked southerners, i couldn't bash the south since i haven't been to 99% of it. I could, however, do a little southern baptist bashing, since we have those in the midwest, but i know a few decent southern baptists so that's out.

Try reading someone's posts before you get all offended by them. I don't plan on moving to florida because of bugs, storms, and people in dade county who can't read a ballot. Sue me.

Silverback
11-12-2004, 03:29 PM
Because what you have suggested is not true. There is even a physics equation written by a noted PHD Dr. that absolutely proves that there is a God as creator.
Is that based on the tired old traditional misapplication of the Second Law of Thermodynamics or on something new?

Clearly, science and religion don't have to exclude each other and, frankly, shouldn't be relavant to each other.

Not that I've done much bible reading lately, but I seem to remember the bible being rather silent on topics such as genetic mutation, adaptation, physics, and quantum mechanics.

Although, we've already done the creation vs. evolution dance:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35349&highlight=creation

There's a newer more insidious attempt to join science and religion at the origin of life hip. It's called "Intelligent Design". The basic arguement seems to be "We'll give you your science stuff if you admit someone's been doing the driving". Anyway, I posted an interesting article on it in the above thread.

As to Republicans, it's difficult looking at the more vocal Republicans today to see some of the historic contributions of Republicans. Teddy Roosevelt is refered to as the "great conservationist":

http://www.theodoreroosevelt.org/life/conservation.htm


Richard Nixon signed into law; The Endangered Species Act, The Clean Air Act, The Clean Water Act, and several other significant environmental laws.

Yeah, I know what was wrong with him, too.

Here's an article called "When the GOP was Green"

http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~gmyers/ehe/repenv.html

It is sad, how arguements based on what vicerally seems true or those that make good soundbytes seem to supplant well researched and thought out arguements for so many so easily.

As for Florida, I'd have to argue that Florida is no more representative of the south than California is of the west, inspite of geographic positioning.

Djoser
11-12-2004, 04:07 PM
Florida, let's face it, is dominated by transplanted Midwestern and Northeast types (i.e. 'Yankees'), Cubans and Puerto Ricans in the southern part of the state, geriatrics from all over the country, and a smattering of blacks and local-born Floridians.

Areas of the Panhandle are exceptional, as are large portions of rural/central Florida.

As far as bashing the South, I have lived in and traveled through most of the regions/states in this country. Assholes and bigots are everywhere, though they tend to concentrate more in certain cities and towns, Daytona Beach for one. Maine sucked, though there are some good people there, including several members. Texas is sometimes suspiciously like somewhere that was transplanted here from another universe, though Austin was pretty cool. Detroit is nothing to brag about, that's for sure. Chicago was a great city for a while, but way too damned cold.

I do greatly fear the Bible Belt, which isn't limited to the South, but tends to be easily identified with it, sometimes with good reason.

But getting back to the original post...

Hey it was a joke. Let's see a similar post about stuffy New Englanders, obnoxious New Yorkers, fat Michiganders, etc., etc., I'll laugh at that one too.

LauraLove
11-12-2004, 05:02 PM
Funny how athiests and agnostics will bitch about Christians trying to force their views onto others and then they spend the next 2 hours doing the exact same thing but in an even nastier and cynical way.
How could you know if I for example, am an agnostic or athiest. I am not. I have religious convictions , I just do not claim to be on the only correct path. It's the right path for me, that's all I need care about.

I notice you did not bother to answer my previous question. Did you choose not to or did you just miss it ? I am still interested to read your reply on it. Here it is again so you don't have to scan through all the previous posts .
Originally Posted by Daddyforhire
Because I used the same technique I always use. I collected all the data and made my own analyzation instead of being spoon-fed an agenda-driven sugar coated fantasy.


And what of persons who disagree with you that have also come to their own conclusion in the same manner as you. Are those people also brainwashed?

Lilith
11-12-2004, 06:07 PM
And what of persons who disagree with you that have also come to their own conclusion in the same manner as you. Are those people also brainwashed?

Of course they are. To the rabid of either political persuasion, anyone possessing a modicum of intellect who sits down to rationally puzzle out an opinion cannot possibly come up with a different answer than they have themselves. Someone who has the audacity to come up with a disagreeing opinion is by definition either 1) a cow-fucking, knuckle-dragging, bible-thumping Neanderthal with all the collective intellect and sophistication of an episode of "Hee-Haw" or 2) a hypocritical, juvenile, tree-hugging atheist with no sense but to parrot the dictums of their commie-pinko-faggot university professors (substitute commie-pinko-faggot mainstream media outlet du jour).

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LauraLove
11-12-2004, 06:12 PM
Someone who has the audacity to come up with a disagreeing opinion is by definition either 1) a cow-fucking, knuckle-dragging, bible-thumping Neanderthal with all the collective intellect and sophistication of an episode of "Hee-Haw" or 2) a hypocritical, juvenile, tree-hugging atheist with no sense but to parrot the dictums of their commie-pinko-faggot university professors (substitute commie-pinko-faggot mainstream media outlet du jour).

Is that so ? So which are you then ?

Lilith
11-12-2004, 06:20 PM
Failing to be a rabid believer of either political persuasion means that I get the fantastic distinction of being both. Just depends on which debate we're having at the moment. Bonus "cool" points for difficulty if I can pull off being called both in the same day.

LauraLove
11-12-2004, 06:23 PM
That's funny because my own failure to be a rabid believer of either political persuasion makes me neither.

I am simply myself ;)

Silverback
11-12-2004, 06:29 PM
That's funny because my own failure to be a rabid believer of either political persuasion makes me neither.

I am simply myself ;)
But that will cost you the bonus cool points.:)

LauraLove
11-12-2004, 06:35 PM
Screw the bonus points.
LOL!