View Full Version : FL Police Taser 6-Year Old... and Didn't Learn Lesson
What does this have to do with tasering drunk children or children having an emotional breakdown and waving a piece of glass around?
Emotional meltdown? The kid has major problems, to EVEN HAVE THE TOUGHT!! to break a picture frame on purpose to achieve a weapon is insane for that age. Im glad they tasered them. It brought a lot of attention and maybe they will get serious help.
VenusGoddess
11-15-2004, 08:56 PM
Sorry your sooooooo wrong imo Venus.
We dont pay our police to scuffle.
a police officers job isnt to lay down his life and scuffle when a safe non lethal alternative is availiable.
Riiiiiiight. Sure...so when a little kindergartener starts threatening to run his fingernails down the chalkboard...we should let the police taser him because they wouldn't want to get their clothes all chalky, now would they?
Give it up. In our society today, everyone who becomes a police officer KNOWS that doing so will call on them to risk their "well-being". In this case...it meant a 2 second grapple with a 6-year-old. They would not have been hurt much as they are wearing bullet proof vests...the most that could have possibly happened was getting a cut on the hand...if even that. Policepersons (let's be politically correct here) are supposed to be able to handle little situations like this. C'mon...get off the "throne".
Heres a common list of weapons on any given police officer's sam brown.
nightstick
9mm gun
mace
stun gun
The cop made the right choice imo for the situation.
You conveniently forgot that he has use of his HANDS. Coincidence? Happenstance? You tell me...
How old does a person have to be before its ok in your book??
6 year old with glass?
8 year old with glass?
10 year old with glass?
12 year old with glass?
14 year old with glass?
16 year old with glass?
18 year old with glass?
adult with glass??
If the boy had a gun...then it would be more feasible...if the little girl had a bomb strapped to her chest...then I would be more "Okay" with it.
But, the fact of the matter is simply this: the people being tasered should never have been tasered. Case closed.
But, the fact of the matter is simply this: the people being tasered should never have been tasered. Case closed. Wrong, the biggest controversey in law enforcement today is police DISCRETION. When a violent kid picks up a shard of glass ( A WEAPON) and can/has the intention to hurt themselves or someone else, the police officer has a split second to take action. He doesn't have days, hours or even minutes like us right now, to decide what to do. So he tasered the little devil.
FYI, people watch movies to much, with tasers you don't have to be close to the person, most tasers police officers have are long range. 15+ feet.
http://www.tacsurv.com/news/jan2002/taser.jpg
VenusGoddess
11-15-2004, 09:35 PM
Sooooo...5-6 adults cannot possibly gain control over a 6 year old?
It's not the child with the problem...it's the adults. The discretion was wrong, IMHO. This is not a coked up, hard-core ex con with a 7th degree black belt. It's a child.
BigGreenMnM
11-15-2004, 09:54 PM
I've showed you the evidence that people have DIED from being tasered. It has nothing to do with faulty tasers...it has to do with the faulty "response" process by the person administering the tasers. You keep changing your story...what will it be now?No you didnt venus,i saw no evidence at all.
You did find a story where the gun was misused by human,the human is on trial,not the stun gun.In all the other stories(the ones you posted)the words"may have contributed'were used.Never "the stun gun is unsafe and caused the death".
Your story even mentioned that the company has proven the guns didnt do the killing in all the cases.
I think its stupid IMO,but why are they adding them to cell phones if they had the potential for litigation??
I wish Charlton Heston was here,i can almost hear him say...
""guns dont kill people,cell phones kill people".
Why would many government agencies INS,USPS,police,etc be adding these to their non lethal weapons arsonal with possible litigation?
Chani_Fremen
11-15-2004, 09:54 PM
BigGrrnMan, I don't think the race of the children involved has anything to do with it and I don't believe we know the race of the kids anyway.
The reason why there are no reported deaths of kids who have been tasered is that I doubt that there have been very many childrend tasred with in the first place.
Gabe, you can grab a 6 year old in just as much time as it does to taser. It's not that difficult unless you are missing arms or something. I was volunteering over the summer in a psych ward for children and adolescents. Many times some of the kids (who were teenagers) would grab a pen or pencil and use it as a "weapon" yet every time the security guards were able to physically restrain them because that's their JOB. These kids were over 5 and 6 feet tall. The security guards never felt the need to carry around tasers. Physical restraint really isn't that hard and is quite easy to do with someone who gets merely basic training. With someone that size it's a piece of cake. If you are a police officer and can't grab a 6 year old kid (who doesn't even have the arm leverage to reach your jugular) then that is absolutely pathetic.
We dont pay our police to scuffle.
a police officers job isnt to lay down his life and scuffle when a safe non lethal alternative is availiableLOL. we pay people every day to "scuffle," it's part of a lot of jobs. Some jobs are just more dangerous than others, it just comes with the territory and make sure you have a great life insurance policy. Having a few cuts from a 6 year old with a piece of glass is a rather small risk to take. As a veterinary assistant I have to wrestle VERY tough dogs down just to give them a basic examination and we don't always have the luxury of tranquilizing them especially if they are going to go home with their owner that day. Yes I've been bit. I know people who work as security guards in psych wards who have to take on people just as big as themselves and they generally don't have any special weapons. My mom, as an emergency room registered nurse, is in probably in more physical danger than most cops are on their day to day donut runs. There are plenty of jobs that are a LOT more dangerous than being a cop. A police officer is much more likely to die in a police chase (that are generally his/her own fault) than to die of homicide.
Sooooo...5-6 adults cannot possibly gain control over a 6 year old?
It's not the child with the problem...it's the adults. The discretion was wrong, IMHO. This is not a coked up, hard-core ex con with a 7th degree black belt. It's a child.
I totally agree Venus!
Besides, I would be hesitant to call a physical encounter with a 6 year old a "scuffle" You grab the kid and it's over in a heart beat. To be scared of someone who is 4 feet tall, barely weighing 40 lbs, and who generally don't have the best of cordnation at that age is laughable.
BigGreenMnM
11-15-2004, 10:22 PM
What does this have to do with tasering drunk children or children having an emotional breakdown and waving a piece of glass around?someone posted the silly remark about the criminal who might have a heart condition or some health concerns,and shouldnt be zapped.
I say the cop on the scene doesnt know the criminals health record,and usually doesnt have time to ask.
Maybe the criminal with the heart transplant should have retired into another line of work.
In several of the news stories...it's not because someone was "armed and dangerous"...it was because the overweight, unconditioned police officer didn't want to raise his heart rate.Do you really belive they are like that??
The vest makes them look chubby as it is,but when ya see them on COPS,the TV ads another 15 lbs at least.
The 6 year old was armed and dangerouse evidently(at least 5+adults thoguht so)and the 12 year old was a danger to herself(not counting the teacher the story says she assaulted)
Most cops are fit and in shape and have requirements they have to adhere to.
Now flip the quarter Venus.
Dont think boss hog sheriff,think female officer.
Would you say a female officer is hired to "scuffle"????
Is it ok for her to zapp someone in a situation where a man could have "scuffled"with the criminal??
hmmmmmmmm i wonder??
We aint gonna agree on these two situations.I say it was right,you say it was wrong,im kewl with that because i understand why you feel that way.What concerns me is your fear and misconception of the stun gun and what its capeable of.
its the self defense weapon of the future,and tops the xmas list for my two oldest girls,my so already has one.
I truely wish all females carried one.
If they read the real studies done on the subject and not guesswork and drama in the media right now,i think they would all rush out and get one.
BigGreenMnM
11-15-2004, 10:39 PM
BigGrrnMan, I don't think the race of the children involved has anything to do with it and I don't believe we know the race of the kids anyway.It was a little black kid with a black mother,both shown on tv,the kid from the back,the mother from the front.
Your right,it doesnt matter maybe to you and me,but it does to Jackson and Sharpton who scan the headlines looking for black children to champion in times of need.I saw no comment from either,that was my point.It wasnt even a photo op for them,or for that matter,anyone.
Where is all the kids supporters?????
Why isnt the black community in dade county in an uproar???
The reason why there are no reported deaths of kids who have been tasered is that I doubt that there have been very many childrend tasred with in the first place.sorry your wrong.They zapp kids in NY city schools alla time.Guess what,no deaths.
Besides, I would be hesitant to call a physical encounter with a 6 year old a "scuffle" You grab the kid and it's over in a heart beat. To be scared of someone who is 4 feet tall, barely weighing 40 lbs, and who generally don't have the best of cordnation at that age is laughable.It wasnt "laughable"to all the teachers who were there,the principle,or the security guard pinned to the wall before the cops got there.
Who calls the cops on a 6 year old anyways???
This was a situation where many adults wernt laughing and felt the need to call the police.
Doesnt this tell you anything??
It's not the child with the problem...it's the adults. The discretion was wrong, IMHO. This is not a coked up, hard-core ex con with a 7th degree black belt. It's a child.
Are you kidding me? Could you Imagine the lawsuit if the officer tackled the kid and the shard of glass cut the kid, or if the officer went to tackle to kid, the kid cut his wrists? he used a taser which paralyzed him for a mere minute. Now that kid is eating cereal and watching saturday morning cartoons.
The officer used it properly, efficiently and apparantly made the right choice as everyone left the scene 100% unharmed.
Everyone can always say "What if" "What if" but you have a split second to react. I don't know if you ever used a gun venus, or had any type of law enforcement training. I joined the Army Reserves when i was 17. You don't have hours to react, you have millaseconds.
Jay Zeno
11-16-2004, 07:35 AM
It's a good lesson of how we view circumstances according to our bias.
1. Show me where Tasers killed anyone.
Local medical examiners announce that Tasers may have played a role in at least five deaths.
A jail officer stuns a prisoner several times, the prisoner dies, the prosecutors charge the jail officer with felony counts of battery (no pun intended).
"The Star Tribune has documented news reports of 105 cases nationwide since 1983 in which a person died after being shocked by police with an electric stun weapon. Three people have died in Minnesota in the past 14 months."
(And these people weren't six years old.)
Yet, this doesn't show anything that 50,000 volts might permanently damage a person. OK.
2. A 6-yo with a glass shard in a principal's office is stunned by a policeman. Hey, the kid could have looked 12. The cop had no time to react. Etc., etc.
We look for assumptions that make our case and we discard facts that don't. That's human nature.
This is a surreal conversation. I've raised kids who were six, I've coached soccer and attended other sports with kids who were six, seven, and eight, I've been to schools, kids parties, Halloween munchkin crowds, etc., etc. I mean, I've had groups of kids run into me to get to a soccer ball, and I stayed standing, and they fell down. It's not exactly a threatening size. I simply cannot remember ever seeing any kids in that age group, in any of those settings, ever, that I would consider applying 50,000 volts to for any reason other than, as mentioned, waving a gun or sporting a bomb.
The fact that we have people who are willing to assume anything about the circumstances in order to justify a cop, or anyone, applying 50,000 volts to a 6-yo is so mind-boggling that mutual understanding on this issue is hopeless. I'll happily agree to disagree. (Well, in fact, I'm somewhat horrified that there's a disagreement about it.)
VenusGoddess
11-16-2004, 08:35 AM
someone posted the silly remark about the criminal who might have a heart condition or some health concerns,and shouldnt be zapped.
I say the cop on the scene doesnt know the criminals health record,and usually doesnt have time to ask.
Maybe the criminal with the heart transplant should have retired into another line of work.
Maybe you should go back and read what I wrote. I said that the problem with using stun guns "indiscriminately" are that they can cause cardia arrest in persons who have heart conditions. If police officers go around tasering people (when they could easily subdue them with "nicer" means) this is the risk that they face. If it's a criminal who's armed...then take the chance and taser them. If it's a child...well, I've said it all before.
Do you really belive they are like that??
The vest makes them look chubby as it is,but when ya see them on COPS,the TV ads another 15 lbs at least.
The 6 year old was armed and dangerouse evidently(at least 5+adults thoguht so)and the 12 year old was a danger to herself(not counting the teacher the story says she assaulted)
Most cops are fit and in shape and have requirements they have to adhere to.
Sure...right. It's the vest. Look...I've seen cops. Big fat-assed cops that sit in their patrol cars all day and eat doughnuts. It's a fact. Maybe you do not want to believe it, but they exist. There are NO requirements that they have to adhere to. If there are...please post them.
I find it funny that someone gets upset that they were "assaulted" by a child. An adult has much more strength than a child...and can easily end the "assault" by grabbing them, wrapping up their arms, and pushing them down to the ground. It works...and I know from experience.
Now flip the quarter Venus.
Dont think boss hog sheriff,think female officer.
Would you say a female officer is hired to "scuffle"????
Is it ok for her to zapp someone in a situation where a man could have "scuffled"with the criminal??
hmmmmmmmm i wonder??
If you cannot do what is required of you in the job...then find another career. If you cannot physically subdue a suspect (child or adult) then it's time to change careers. Don't try to turn the tables...especially for the fact that the officers who tasered those kids were MEN.
Kinda makes you wonder...if a police officer gets all "jittery" around a 6 year old with a shard of glass...how does he handle a real con with some real strength? Seems to me that this may not be the proper line of work for this cop.
NinaDaisy
11-16-2004, 10:18 AM
I understand that the kid had a piece of glass in his hand, but the typical 6-year-old's mental state or capacity aren't the same as an adult, even one of average intelligence.
The kid was probably terrified out of his mind and unable to use logic to get out of the situation without allowing it to escalate like it did.
Yes, the security guard was "full-grown" but he was also elderly. Unless you're Jack LaLanne, odds are you aren't as physically strong as you once might have been.
The media is "sensationalizing" this because it's fucked up. It's a 6-year-old child, not some hulking brute on PCP.
BigGreenMnM
11-16-2004, 10:29 AM
Maybe you should go back and read what I wrote. I said that the problem with using stun guns "indiscriminately" are that they can cause cardia arrest in persons who have heart conditions. If police officers go around tasering people (when they could easily subdue them with "nicer" means) this is the risk that they face. If it's a criminal who's armed...then take the chance and taser them. If it's a child...well, I've said it all before.
The stun guns are not used "indescriminately"They were used on the scene of a disturbence/criminal act by trained professionals.
Its not like they walk down the street zapping people without descretion.
If you break the law,or are a danger to yourself or others,you run the risk of being zapped by a police officer.Thats far far from "indiscriminately" use.
Sure...right. It's the vest. Look...I've seen cops. Big fat-assed cops that sit in their patrol cars all day and eat doughnuts. It's a fact. Maybe you do not want to believe it, but they exist. There are NO requirements that they have to adhere to. If there are...please post them.well,your wrong venus,just wrong.
They have physical requirments just like the military does.Even the post office has physical requirments for their workers.
http://www.mdpd.com/images/arrow.gif Physical strength and agility, and ability to meet physical requirements.
here is the link ifn you wanted a job as a police officer in Dade county,the largest most diverse police department in the southeast united states.
Im very sorry your perception of cops is of doughnut eating boss hogs.
Yea you may still find a few around the country,but for the most part,this nations police departments are fit and in shape trying to stay one step ahead of the bad guys.
I would also like to point out that the physical requirments for females are NOT the same as they are for men.Same job,different rules of requirments.
and people are bitching because a stun gun gives a female patrol officer an edge over full grown male criminals??
I find it funny that someone gets upset that they were "assaulted" by a child. An adult has much more strength than a child...and can easily end the "assault" by grabbing them, wrapping up their arms, and pushing them down to the ground. It works...and I know from experience.As do I,thats why im saying if the kid had a sharp object,there IS a risk of injury to both the child and the arresting officer.
why risk it when you dont have to??
Nobody ever answered the question of when and at what age someone should be zapped?
If you cannot do what is required of you in the job...then find another career. If you cannot physically subdue a suspect (child or adult) then it's time to change careers. Don't try to turn the tables...especially for the fact that the officers who tasered those kids were MEN.
If that were the case,why were the physical requirments changed for females in the military and the police force??
would this have been ok if the cop was a female officer???
police officers are not trained to kamakazi into each situation without regard to their own welfare or safety.
Kinda makes you wonder...if a police officer gets all "jittery" around a 6 year old with a shard of glass...how does he handle a real con with some real strength? Seems to me that this may not be the proper line of work for this cop.He/she handles the real con,and the 6 year old in the same fashion for the most part.If they cant talk them down,they put them down.My guess is they try to talk down a 6 year old longer then an adult.
More power to them for handeling a dangerous situation to a safe,injury free, conclusion in both cases up for review.
There is more discussion on this forum about these two cases then even in the media.
I will ask again...
Where is the story now??
Where is the community up at arms against the police dept over these two cases??
BigGreenMnM
11-16-2004, 10:42 AM
I understand that the kid had a piece of glass in his hand, but the typical 6-year-old's mental state or capacity aren't the same as an adult, even one of average intelligence.
The kid was probably terrified out of his mind and unable to use logic to get out of the situation without allowing it to escalate like it did.
Yes, the security guard was "full-grown" but he was also elderly. Unless you're Jack LaLanne, odds are you aren't as physically strong as you once might have been.
The media is "sensationalizing" this because it's fucked up. It's a 6-year-old child, not some hulking brute on PCP.You just said elderly.I guess that adult wasnt able to control the kid,and neither could the teachers.I doubt they were all elderly.
Im not sorry in one bit that this kid got zapped.
The problem isnt in how the situation was brought to a speedy,safe,injury free conclusion.The problem is what led up to the situation where a 6 year old is cutting himself and threatening others with a weapon.
Chani_Fremen
11-16-2004, 12:34 PM
The problem isnt in how the situation was brought to a speedy,safe,injury free conclusion.The problem is what led up to the situation where a 6 year old is cutting himself and threatening others with a weapon.
I agree with that. Something seriously wrong is going on.
Tigerlilly
11-16-2004, 01:50 PM
Wrong, the biggest controversey in law enforcement today is police DISCRETION. When a violent kid picks up a shard of glass ( A WEAPON) and can/has the intention to hurt themselves or someone else, the police officer has a split second to take action. He doesn't have days, hours or even minutes like us right now, to decide what to do. So he tasered the little devil.
No- Venus is 100% correct--It was a poor choice to taser either of these two kids because neither situation called for that type of responce AT ALL.
Im not sorry in one bit that this kid got zapped.
yeah we got that- you have no problems with weapons being used on kindergarden age kids :O
Nobody ever answered the question of when and at what age someone should be zapped?
This is fucking hysterical, you think a 16 year girl is too young to wear a two pice bathing suit but it's perfectly fine to use a weapon on children as young as 6 years old :-\ btw- my answer to your question would be 16 and only in the most lethal risk situations.
BigGreenMnM
11-16-2004, 02:03 PM
No- Venus is 100% correct
It was a poor choice to taser either of these two kids because neither situation called for that type of responce AT ALL.
It can be proven that a stun gun is a FAR FAR safer and less lethal response then "scufflin"with anyone,that includes kids,dogs,the elderly,and full grown adults.
venus is 100% correct emotionally,and i agree with her,but its not correct in real time,real life police work.
The head lock,the choke hold and the arm bar have all been banned by most police departments.
I find it to be most silly that some would suggest "scufflin"with a criminal,and then set rules on how they can scuffle.Rules that the bad guys dont have to adhere to.
"scufflin"with a bad guy is the last response in todays law enforcement.Stun them is safer,less lethal,and gets the job done in more cases then not.
From what i have seen,no lawsuits against the cops for using them,but zillions of lawsuits from people who "scuffled"with the police and got hurt.
Jay Zeno
11-16-2004, 02:20 PM
It can be proven that a stun gun is a FAR FAR safer and less lethal response then "scufflin"with anyone,that includes kids,dogs,the elderly,and full grown adults.
Sure, I can "prove" the earth is flat if I want to believe it hard enough. (And some do.)
I wish I'd known this, raising the kids. They go into an inappropriate rage reaction, and I pick them up, carry them to a corner or their rooms, and tell them that they have to stay there and behave till they calm down. If only I'd known, and I'm sure could have proven to Social Services, that a little application of 50,000 volts would be FAR FAR safer.
You don't need a headlock, choke hold, or arm bar on a six year old.
Bizarre. But it gives a whole new slant on discipline. And here I thought spanking was frowned on (although that didn't stop me, or my parents, when appropriate).
BigGreenMnM
11-16-2004, 02:22 PM
No- Venus is 100% correct--It was a poor choice to taser either of these two kids because neither situation called for that type of responce AT ALL.
yeah we got that- you have no problems with weapons being used on kindergarden age kids :O
This is fucking hysterical, you think a 16 year girl is too young to wear a two pice bathing suit but it's perfectly fine to use a weapon on children as young as 6 years old :-\ btw- my answer to your question would be 16 and only in the most lethal risk situations.
I dont think a two piece rule should be a national law,thats just my rules,for my girls.If someone wants to send their 12 year old daughter to a public pool wearing a french cut bikini,thats their bad choice.Just as bad as buying them sexy olson twin underwear.
My kids dont shop at Victoria Secrets or fredericks of hollywood till they are 18,if you choose to let yours wear a thong at 12,again,thats your bad choice.
You need to wake up and smell the coffee if you think only people over the age of 16 are deadly.
Tigerlilly
11-16-2004, 02:46 PM
BigGrrnMan, I don't think the race of the children involved has anything to do with it It doesn't really have anything to do with things except that it is another piece of the puzzle of what kind of person we are discussing this topic with.
I dont think a two piece rule should be a national law,thats just my rules,for my girlsYeah I know, I got that - I wasn't trying to say you thought it should be a law- I was just pointing out that the huge contrast between the two.
You need to wake up and smell the coffee if you think only people over the age of 16 are deadlyI never said I thought that -- I'm not naive.
If you choose to let yours wear a thong at 12,again,thats your bad choice.
oh please- I never said anything close to what your trying to imply. Give it up and just accept that there are several of us here who dont agree with you about the use of weapons on small children.
o- Venus is 100% correct--It was a poor choice to taser either of these two kids because neither situation called for that type of responce AT ALL. Are you kidding me? You want a 200 lb+ policeman to TACKLE!!! a 6 year old kid into submission MEANWHILE the kid has a SHARP, LETHAL shard of GLASS in his hands?? Comon, think logicially. You try tackling someone with a razor sharp object in their hands and neither of you getting hurt?
The taser was used 100% properly. We aren't talking about tasering an innocent little 6 year old eating his lunch. We are talking about a 6 year old thug who broke glass ON PURPOSE to PURPOSELY hurt himself or others.
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Zap the sucker a few extra seconds, maybe he will have brain damage and be forced to stay in a mental institution and be off the street and away from INNOCENT little kids.
Sure, I can "prove" the earth is flat if I want to believe it hard enough. (And some do.)
I wish I'd known this, raising the kids. They go into an inappropriate rage reaction, and I pick them up, carry them to a corner or their rooms, and tell them that they have to stay there and behave till they calm down. If only I'd known, and I'm sure could have proven to Social Services, that a little application of 50,000 volts would be FAR FAR safer.
You don't need a headlock, choke hold, or arm bar on a six year old.
Bizarre. But it gives a whole new slant on discipline. And here I thought spanking was frowned on (although that didn't stop me, or my parents, when appropriate).
Hey Jay zeno, when your kids come after you with a shard of glass, beat the shit out of them. tasering only temporarly stuns no damage, but for a good beating, they remember that.
P.S. Seriously, if your kid comes after you with a weapon, seek help ASAP.
VenusGoddess
11-16-2004, 03:14 PM
Are you kidding me? You want a 200 lb+ policeman to TACKLE!!! a 6 year old kid into submission MEANWHILE the kid has a SHARP, LETHAL shard of GLASS in his hands?? Comon, think logicially. You try tackling someone with a razor sharp object in their hands and neither of you getting hurt?
The taser was used 100% properly. We aren't talking about tasering an innocent little 6 year old eating his lunch. We are talking about a 6 year old thug who broke glass ON PURPOSE to PURPOSELY hurt himself or others.
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Zap the sucker a few extra seconds, maybe he will have brain damage and be forced to stay in a mental institution and be off the street and away from INNOCENT little kids.
Who said that a 200 pound man needed to TACKLE a 6 year old? Maybe you should learn how to read.
I SAID that it would not be hard to restrain a 6 year old. Especially with 5-6 adults in the mix. Also, a little thinking would have meant timing his response time to grab the kid from behind and pin his arms at his sides. Then, someone else would be safe to remove the glass from the kid's hand. But, of course...that's not as "exciting" as getting to use your new Taser Gun.
On another note: the behavior of the 6 year old was so far out of line...maybe if the adults would have been PAYING ATTENTION to his behavior the days/weeks prior to this incident, they would have been able to avoid the whole incident altogether. But, we now live in a time of people LOOK, but they just don't SEE.
This is what happens when you live in this kind of society. Don't problem-solve or use intervention. I mean, who needs that when you have cool taser guns and you can just put the troubled kid in some kind of institution where his "bad behavior" will only be exacerbated...and then the cops will really have their hands full.
Jay Zeno
11-16-2004, 03:17 PM
Thanks for the parenting advice, Gabe.
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I SAID that it would not be hard to restrain a 6 year old. Especially with 5-6 adults in the mix. Also, a little thinking would have meant timing his response time to grab the kid from behind and pin his arms at his sides. Then, someone else would be safe to remove the glass from the kid's hand. But, of course...that's not as "exciting" as getting to use your new Taser Gun.
yea, I telapathicly told everyone in the room, about the plan in just a couple seconds!!!!
Your not getting that you have seconds to react.....
Sitri
11-16-2004, 03:28 PM
I can't even believe that people are call a 6 year old a thug. With this type of approach, I can see why we spend more money on prisons than schools.
Yea, just taser his little ass. That will show him, teach him some respect for Juan Law in Miami. ::)
If you are not bright enough to talk a a 6 year old down by some reasonable method and have to resort to physical weapons, you need to get out of law enforcement. That is a third world approach. But, I guess that is where we are trying to get to in this country.
Your welcome, pm me if you need more advice when your kid chases you with a deadly weapon.
Tigerlilly
11-16-2004, 03:35 PM
Well Gabe-- like I said before to BigGreenMnm-- I think you're just gonna have accept that more than a few of us here disagree with you about using weapons on a kindergarden age child.
I do agree with you however on this part :
P.S. Seriously, if your kid comes after you with a weapon, seek help ASAP.
BigGreenMnM
11-16-2004, 03:37 PM
Yea, just taser his little ass. That will show him, teach him some respect for Juan Law in Miami. ::)
If you are not bright enough to talk a a 6 year old down by some reasonable method and have to resort to physical weapons, you need to get out of law enforcement. That is a third world approach. But, I guess that is where we are trying to get to in this country.So by that same logic...
All the teachers involved,
the principle,
the guidence counselors,
and that security guard should look for other forms of work.
Right??
What do you mean by "juan law"??
Care to expand???
Tigerlilly
11-16-2004, 03:41 PM
Must you always be so abusive,rude,petty,and insulting when speaking to people?
If you think everyone who agree's with zappin the lil fucker is somehow a bad human,again,your the left out in the cold,along with the rest of the misinformed and clueless.
.I didnt say anything abusive etc etc in that comment. Get a grip.::) I also dont care if you think I'm misinformed or clueless for for thinking zapping kids barely out of diapers is wrong either.
If you think how a young lady properly dresses in public is even remotely the same as what were talking about,i would say for you to please not reproduce and seek professional help before involving yourself in a relationship with another human being.
That's not what I said and not what I meant and anyone can clearly see that. You're comments about how I should not have children or be in a relationship are now being reported as well. You have some nerve saying my earlier comment was rude. WTF is it with you wanting to tell women when to have a baby anyway ? GRRRRRRR
Besides,me tinx ifn i said the sky was blue,you would find some way of disagreeing with me.
Im stating to think you seek my attention.The feeling is mutual- I have been wondering why you all of a sudden started hanging out in the one area of SW that I have been spending most of my time in for months now-- but whatever...
We disagree about this subject ( gee what a surprise) why cant you just deal with it ? There's no need for you to keep baiting either- that means a reply to this is not required or even wanted for that matter.
LETS JUST AGREE TO DISAGREE
PS- I have already told you once not to call me things like Sweety or honey- I am someone's wife for one, two I have asked you not to call me those things and three you're cont and intentional use of those terms is very disrespectful- DO NOT DO IT AGAIN.
Jay Zeno
11-16-2004, 03:43 PM
Your welcome, pm me if you need more advice when your kid chases you with a deadly weapon. I don't need advice on a six year old with broken glass. I thought that's what we were talking about. And that six year old ain't gonna be chasing me with that.
It's getting repetitive.
Sitri
11-16-2004, 03:49 PM
Ya know, we are not talking about a midget chucky here...... Go out and find a 6 year old and then evaluate this against a real 6 year old.
ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.
Ya know, we are not talking about a midget chucky here......
I dunno lets compare shall we?
Chucky uses any sharp object he can to hurt people.
6 year old thug uses a sharp object that can hurt people.
Seems like this kid and chucky could be friends til the end!
BigGreenMnM
11-16-2004, 04:00 PM
Ya know, we are not talking about a midget chucky here...... Go out and find a 6 year old and then evaluate this against a real 6 year old.
ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.
I agree its not chucky,but its also not a normal 6 year old.
Most 6 year olds dont go nuts and hurt themselves to this degree.
He cut himself many times before the cops got there.
The TRAINED adults that were there would probably say he wasnt normal,the situation wasnt normal,and thats why the cops were called.
I dont think the kid is a thug,i think there is a problem.
The fact he was out playing in the street,ALONE,that night,leads me to belive there may be more problems for this kid then anyone knows about,starting with parental guidence.