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It's a club that will no longer exist in February. In fact, it's probably closing tonight.
(There. That gave it away for anyone who lives in New York.)
And if I don't see girls putting out,
How exactly are you going to "see" girls putting out?
I am going to point my finger and call you a big, fat
You would be able to call me fat no matter what you see or don't see.
It's a club that will no longer exist in February. In fact, it's probably closing tonight.
Although, if you want, I could point you to other clubs in NYC where I've had sex. Most of them aren't nude clubs, though.
(Actually, for obvious reasons, I would never identify them on a public forum.)
How exactly are you going to "see" girls putting out?
Wait a minute!
I just thought of one way you could see a stripper having sex with me.
Moneywise
01-18-2005, 12:14 PM
Rath = postcount whore. ;D
MW
Jenny
01-18-2005, 12:19 PM
How exactly are you going to "see" girls putting out?
Oh, I'll pay them, if I have to. According to this board, that would be, what? $40.00? I can spare it.
It's a club that will no longer exist in February. In fact, it's probably closing tonight.
Oh. That's convenient.
Wait a minute!
I just thought of one way you could see a stripper having sex with me.
Really??? How???
Moneywise
01-18-2005, 01:00 PM
According to this board, that would be, what? $40.00? I can spare it.
It's a beautiful thing. }:D;)
Although I do get a little pricey for my standards in my latest 2 part TR (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39030&page=121&pp=15), I spent about 220 over two days and had a blast doing so. Who says a true junkie can't walk into a new club and make things happen? haha viva los junkies.
MW
Oh, I'll pay them, if I have to. According to this board, that would be, what? $40.00? I can spare it.
Not in New York. In New York, it's $40 -- well, $60, actually, if you must know -- only in underground spots. In mainstream clubs, they expect a decent amount more.
Oh. That's convenient.
Believe me, from my perspective at least, the closing of that club is anything but convenient.
Really??? How???
Gosh. I wonder.
Moneywise
01-18-2005, 04:14 PM
Ya mean like by writing trip reports or Holy Grail posts?
The freedom of information act is a wonderful thing.
Ya mean like you think it's a good idea to discuss intimate details behind someone's back on a public board? Or to name clubs where illegal activity takes place sub rosa that's "officially" denied?
Sometimes I do wonder if I should even post some of these TRs. Then in the interest of sharing with my fellow junkies I do it anyways. I will admit lately I haven't posted as may TRs as I used to in the past. That's probably a good thing. Back when I was somewhat green I enjoyed posting the TRs but now my trips seem to get even more involved than ever. I guess I am slipping into that deep dark rain soaked abyss. :-\ IOW, all of my visits aren't public record. :)
MW
Lilith
01-18-2005, 10:21 PM
Hey lookie, the guy who bagged an unknown sex worker in a public bathroom sans protection is talking about good ideas. Everyone listen close now.
If you mean me, maybe you can remind where I ever said I banged an unknown sex worker in a public bathroom sans protection. Somehow all recollection of that experience seems to have been wiped from my memory.
Moneywise
01-19-2005, 12:00 PM
I'm pretty sure she wasn't talking about you. :D
That's a relief. I'd like to think that if I'd had unprotected sex with someone in a public bathroom, I'd remember it.
Wwanderer
01-19-2005, 09:53 PM
Rath = postcount whore. ;D
You can't even begin to imagine...
-Ww
mr_punk
01-21-2005, 06:00 PM
It's a club that will no longer exist in February. In fact, it's probably closing tonight.
(There. That gave it away for anyone who lives in New York.)you mean something like ***-con?
Believe me, from my perspective at least, the closing of that club is anything but convenient.permanently or temporarily?
you mean something like ***-con?
Nope. An actual real-live mainstream strip club.
(I mean, there's no mystery to having sex at ***Con. EVERYBODY has sex at ***Con.)
(What's with the "***", anyway? Are we pretending Slinkybender rules apply here?)
permanently or temporarily?
Permanently. (It's actually making some news. I'm sure you'll hear about it.)
Jenny
01-24-2005, 12:20 AM
Well, give me the names of some clubs here dude. In which in the girls are known for having sex. Stop your weaseling already.
Jenny, with all due respect, you're not getting it.
I'm not talking about clubs where strippers are "known" for having sex. I'm saying that at just about ANY mainstream club in Manhattan, sex happens if the circumstances are right: if the stripper knows and trusts (maybe even "likes") you, if she feels like doing it for whatever reason, if she has a pressing immediate need for extra money, whatever. (And, of course, it helps for a customer to be known to management, so they'll turn a blind eye.) The strippers aren't "known" for having sex in these clubs; indeed, most casual visitors would tell you sex isn't available. But the truth is, it just isn't available to anyone who walks in off the street, for the asking; and it isn't necessarily available all the time, as something you can count on. But it happens, and very far from infrequently. Indeed, the more interesting question is whether there are any clubs in New York where sex NEVER takes place.
And as I said before, I'm not gonna name names. These clubs are ostensibly legal enterprises where the official line is that illegal activities don't occur. I think it would be a disservice to the clubs and to the women who work at them (not all of whom participate in illegal activities, and most of whom do so only selectively if they do it all*) to out them in a public forum. But as I also said, I'd have an easier time naming the few places where, at least as far as I know, sex NEVER occurs on-site (usually because the VIP areas are too public to permit it). Tens springs to mind (but of course someone could just as easily pop up now and tell me there's a "secret" private area there that I don't know about).
Of course, like anywhere, New York has a few clubs where just about anybody can walk in off the street and negotiate sex with a stripper. The Carousel Club springs to mind. But I'm not talking about those clubs.
There's also a very lively "underground" scene in New York. Sex is readily available at underground events; that's sort of the point of them. Although for some reason they're usually included as part of the "strip club" category, I don't really view underground spots as strip clubs, though. More like quickie houses. I personally think they're kind of skeevy. They're also not what I'm talking about.
(You know, all of this is just a long-winded way of saying, read that Saxbeat post from Zbone that I quoted in the "Does it matter how a stripper gets you off" thread.)
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* Except insofar as ALL contact dancing is probably illegal in New York. But that's not the kind of illegal activity we're talking about here.
Also, there are zero, nada, NO clubs in Manhattan where strippers don't "date" customers they know, trust, "like", whatever. Not ALL of them do it, obviously. But I'd say it has to be "most". Certainly, very few strippers whom I get to know well enough to want to ask about this decline (and again, it's not because I think I'm "universally attractive" to strippers).
Jenny
01-24-2005, 07:20 PM
Okay. That is just lame. We had the discussion about regional differences, etc., and now, it turns out, I'm going to be in YOUR town, and you still can't refer me to these girls who have cheap sex with you, while rejecting better offers, even though you're not "universally appealing" to them? Or even to an geographic location that I might run into them, see them, so to speak? I am... okay, I have to say it. I am disappointed in you. I really didn't think that you would be one to get all coy at the last minute. You can't possibly be imagining that this is some sort of police action, so you are what, just unwilling to share? I'll tell you what; you tell me what days in February you WON'T be clubbing, and I will be sure to go those days to ensure that none of the time of your favourite dancers might be taken up with me and/or my date.
And, oh please. Talking about the women is NOT a disservice, but naming them is? "Yeah, that girl let me eat her pussy for $10.00, but I won't tell you her name." Tell you what: feel free to share this information via the delightful private message service they offer here, and I will absolutely guarantee my discretion.
Jenny, if you think I'm talking about doing oral on a woman for $10, you have NO FUCKING IDEA what I'm talking about.
OTOH, check your PM box.
And, oh please. Talking about the women is NOT a disservice, but naming them is? "Yeah, that girl let me eat her pussy for $10.00, but I won't tell you her name."
You can't tell the difference between making the abstract assertion that "I had sex with an unnamed stripper in an unnamed club last night" and saying "I buttfucked Incontinentia in the back room of the Golden Platinum Diamond Club last night"?
Really?
Now I'm disappointed in you.
Jenny
01-24-2005, 07:48 PM
I can see a difference. But I do think that both are a disservice if the woman in question was, whether implicitly or not, relying on your discretion.
You are a bad, bad man.
I'd have to say they're relying explicitly.
But tell me how it's a breach of discretion to state a dry fact without naming either the club or the woman (or myself, for that matter, since none of you guys [generic non-gender-based usage] knows who I am).
Jenny
01-24-2005, 08:15 PM
Because I personally would not care for it if any of the people with whom I have extended my general boundaries with went around sharing stories on the internet. (I kind of encourage them to lie though. I had a theory in one club that if the guy I was dancing for went out and told all his friends that it was the best blowjob of his life and I let him come on my face it would make me popular. And I figured I would only need a few guys to really START the rumor, and the rest would be embarrassed to admit that I just wouldn't do it for THEM. But I digress, and I'm willing to bet none of you would even want to learn sales tactics from me) But anyway. I doubt that you would enjoy your brank of discretion either. I think most people would resent it to some degree. If you really wanted to be discrete, you would simply refrain from comment. I'm not judging you, I'm just saying.
Okay, I judged you in the last post. But we've established you are a bad man. So I can stop now.
Moneywise
01-24-2005, 08:41 PM
Because I personally would not care for it if any of the people with whom I have extended my general boundaries with went around sharing stories on the internet. (I kind of encourage them to lie though. I had a theory in one club that if the guy I was dancing for went out and told all his friends that it was the best blowjob of his life and I let him come on my face it would make me popular. And I figured I would only need a few guys to really START the rumor, and the rest would be embarrassed to admit that I just wouldn't do it for THEM. But I digress, and I'm willing to bet none of you would even want to learn sales tactics from me) But anyway. I doubt that you would enjoy your brank of discretion either. I think most people would resent it to some degree. If you really wanted to be discrete, you would simply refrain from comment. I'm not judging you, I'm just saying.
Okay, I judged you in the last post. But we've established you are a bad man. So I can stop now.
Jenny my dear. I think you chose the wrong board to use as your soapbox. Although I, personally, enjoy reading your commentary I cannot imagine how you could fathom the thought of somehow snapping us all back into some other moment in time. We enjoy sharing our escapades with each other. You know what they say about those objectionable tv channels... ;)
The odd thing is, I agree with Jenny as to much of the sharing of exploits that gets posted here. I think it's indiscreet. That's why I'm such a party-pooping killjoy. (Not that I'd tell anybody not to do it. But that's why I don't do it.)
But Jenny's just wrong concerning what I've posted. Jenny, since you're someday gonna be a lawyer, let's analogize it to that. I can't, and won't, betray my clients' confidences. But I'm allowed to say, in conversation, "I've had a case where . . . ." if I don't give any identifying details. I mean, why the fuck not? Even lawyers are allowed to chat at dinner parties.
In a discussion of whether sex occurs in strip clubs, I don't see how it's indiscreet for me to say that I know it does because it happens with me -- if I don't give any details by which anyone could have any idea who I'm talking about. (Nor do I think it's indiscreet to repeat funny remarks people have made if there are no details given that could suggest who I'm talking about.)
Jenny
01-24-2005, 09:13 PM
I think you chose the wrong board to use as your soapbox.
Gosh. You called me "dear." Shucks.
Really - you may have noticed that I am not going into the Trip Reports and saying "You guys are just gross! How can you be so gross! Be ashamed! Be ashamed now!" In fact, the only time I remember posting anything in Trip Reports was asking another poster if he truly did not see any merit in the objections raised by others. I would never even imagine that I could snap any of you anywhere, let alone interfere with your pervy circle jerk ;) . I was merely pointing out what seems to me to be a hypocrisy - a sort of half discretion so to speak. And I will maintain: if I were one of the girls that you guys talked about, I wouldn't care for it. But I'm not. I don't think. So. Screw it. Not my problem.
But Jenny's just wrong concering what I've posted. Jenny, since you're someday gonna be a lawyer, let's analogize it to that. I can't, and won't, betray my clients' confidences. But I'm allowed to say, in conversation, "I've had a case where . . . ." if I don't give any identifying details.
I'm sorry? I'm wrong about what I would care for or not? Perhaps I'm wrong about what you would care for. That's possible. Sure, why not. Again, I'm not talking about what you are legally allowed to do. I'm really more talking about how people would feel comfortable about you referring to them. I'm not even telling you to be concerned about it - I just wanted the club names. So thanks. You're a doll.
I used the little smiley faces to denote humour, rather than just telling people that I'm funny. Do you think that means I'm growing as a person?
So thanks. You're a doll.
Gosh. You called me a "doll". Shucks.
I used the little smiley faces to denote humour, rather than just telling people that I'm funny. Do you think that means I'm growing as a person?
No. I think it means you're getting lazy.
slinkybender
01-25-2005, 01:49 PM
(What's with the "***", anyway? Are we pretending Slinkybender rules apply here?)
Hey! I resemble that remark.
money
01-25-2005, 04:58 PM
Hey slink, what happened to your sight?? I haven't been able to get on it in over a week!
mr_punk
01-25-2005, 06:58 PM
Because I personally would not care for it if any of the people with whom I have extended my general boundaries with went around sharing stories on the internet.why? would it have something to do with the fact that you're a skank? seriously, jenny. no one's talking about naming a person or a place (except in PM's or e-mails). hopefully, you'll never find out that 9 out of 10 sc customers agree that you give the best BBBJ in toronto.
I think most people would resent it to some degree.no doubt about it. most of the dancers who perform the acts would resent it and the strippers who don't perform those acts would resent it even more. the next thing you know. they would all start clawing each other's eyeballs out in the dressing room. however, i have no problem with the exchange of information among customers or dancers. if a stripper uses SW as a resource for information on the best clubs to make money, house fees, how to hustle a sucker into buying more dances, etc. i have no problem with a customer using a similar resource for information on a dancer's mileage, a club's mileage, etc.
If you really wanted to be discrete, you would simply refrain from comment.or a customer would just be careful with whom he gives the information. i don't mind sharing my info with other mileage hounds. however, i only need to be sure that he's the type of person who understands:
But the truth is, it just isn't available to anyone who walks in off the street, for the asking; and it isn't necessarily available all the time, as something you can count on.
exactly, there's no quicker way to kill the golden goose and ruin it for everyone than some big-mouthed PL who strikes out with a dancer and instead of leaving. he tells her something like, "but lisa let's me do it.." or "i read about you on SCJ.." or "i know mr_punk and he told me..".
Jenny
01-25-2005, 08:24 PM
why? would it have something to do with the fact that you're a skank? seriously, jenny. no one's talking about naming a person or a place (except in PM's or e-mails). hopefully, you'll never find out that 9 out of 10 sc customers agree that you give the best BBBJ in toronto.
Really? The best? You mean it? Wait a minute. How would you know? You're just making fun of me again. Okay. Now I'm broken hearted. I'm running away from the computer in tears. Thanks a lot.
no doubt about it. most of the dancers who perform the acts would resent it and the strippers who don't perform those acts would resent it even more. the next thing you know. they would all start clawing each other's eyeballs out in the dressing room. however, i have no problem with the exchange of information among customers or dancers. if a stripper uses SW as a resource for information on the best clubs to make money, house fees, how to hustle a sucker into buying more dances, etc. i have no problem with a customer using a similar resource for information on a dancer's mileage, a club's mileage, etc.
And I'm so attached to my eyeballs. Well, gosh. You don't have a problem with it? Well, if YOU don't have a problem with it, I don't know what I've been going on about. I would never have guessed that YOU, of all people, would have NO PROBLEM with customers sharing mileage information. Well, I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you. And really, that information is really bringing me around.
exactly, there's no quicker way to kill the golden goose and ruin it for everyone than some big-mouthed PL who strikes out with a dancer and instead of leaving. he tells her something like, "but lisa let's me do it.." or "i read about you on SCJ.." or "i know mr_punk and he told me..".
Really? The "Lisa does it" argument always works on me. I thought everybody did what Lisa was doing. Wait a minute. Are you telling me that guys are LYING about Lisa? Oh man, wait till I tell her. She is going to be ticked off.
mr_punk
01-26-2005, 05:19 AM
Well, if YOU don't have a problem with it, I don't know what I've been going on about. And really, that information is really bringing me around.very good. i knew you would see it my way. you know, for a rabid feminist out to consume the male, supremacist, capitalist patriarchy for all of womankind. you're not so bad after you've had a couple of distemper shots.
evan_essence
01-31-2005, 05:43 AM
no doubt about it. most of the dancers who perform the acts would resent it and the strippers who don't perform those acts would resent it even more. the next thing you know. they would all start clawing each other's eyeballs out in the dressing room. however, i have no problem with the exchange of information among customers or dancers. if a stripper uses SW as a resource for information on the best clubs to make money, house fees, how to hustle a sucker into buying more dances, etc. i have no problem with a customer using a similar resource for information on a dancer's mileage, a club's mileage, etc. Granted, both the pink and blue sites share general information about, how shall we say this diplomatically for both sides, "being a good negotiator" and general information about a club's contact/mileage/environment. But how much information do you think the pink side is sharing about specific customers, either in public posts or in PMs?
Here's my hypothesis. Guys are sharing more details amongst themselves about experiences with specific strippers via the blue site than girls are sharing amongst themselves about specific customers via the pink site. What do you think?
If you really wanted to be discrete, you would simply refrain from comment.
or a customer would just be careful with whom he gives the information. i don't mind sharing my info with other mileage hounds. however, i only need to be sure that he's the type of person who understands:That supports Jenny's point that the information being distributed is a disservice when the woman's relying on your discretion. The public post might not name names, but it operates as a facade for private channels that do.
exactly, there's no quicker way to kill the golden goose and ruin it for everyone than some big-mouthed PL who strikes out with a dancer and instead of leaving. he tells her something like, "but lisa let's me do it.." or "i read about you on SCJ.." or "i know mr_punk and he told me..".
I'm confused. Seems to me that the only way to avoid killing the golden goose is not telling anyone, but you suggest that a customer can be careful about whom he gives the information. So you're advocating the avoidance of outright advertising or public posting of specifics, but I contend even being careful by telling a select few opens the door to viral marketing. That is, what once was word of mouth but now is the network of electronic interactivity among individuals. And viral marketing can kill the golden goose just as quick, if not quicker, than advertising.
-Ev
Jenny
01-31-2005, 11:40 AM
Evan, you are so tough. So much so that I briefly considered spelling it "tuff." I decided not to in the end, but I thought I would share the minor debate with you.
evan_essence
02-01-2005, 05:23 AM
^^^Yeah, for a nakkid girl who indiscriminately mounts guys' laps for money, my judgement can be pretty good.
-Ev
NinaDaisy
02-05-2005, 06:08 AM
Rath, you wouldn't happen to be talking about Club Paradise in NYC would you? That shithole's well known for all kinds of fucking. Although funny how you keep trying to ply Jenny with the supposed windfall she'd make from you then you urge Katrine to get out of the biz. Jenny's the kind of girl that if she was gonna go that direction, she'd be doing 4 hour dinner dates for $2,500 instead of letting Rath toss a Benjamin her way here and there to be degraded and humiliated by him. And then to have him post about it later, I'm certain.
Jenny, don't fret about these guys. I've spoken to numerous SW dancers who have actually met these guys in person and could we tell you some stories! They hide behind their online identities in the saddest way possible. You are too good to expend any more time and energy on this torrent of crap.
Mr. Punk will cease to exist once people stop getting baited by his woman-hating posts.
Aside from that, thanks for the entertainment!
Moneywise
02-05-2005, 09:53 AM
Rath, you wouldn't happen to be talking about Club Paradise in NYC would you? That shithole's well known for all kinds of fucking.
It doesn't sound too appealing. Fucking should be the exception and not the rule. If it's the rule then it's not the right place for me. I like chasing the exception.}:D
you urge Katrine to get out of the biz.
Kat is one of the hottest, most professional women I have ever met. Money naturally gravitates her way.
I've spoken to numerous SW dancers who have actually met these guys in person and could we tell you some stories! They hide behind their online identities in the saddest way possible.
I resemble that remark! ;D Seriously, you must chill on the generalizations. I just met up with Lilith, Velvet and Katrine this past Thursday night. The only thing I was hiding behind was some tasty onions. :D I also know FBR has hooked up with a SW member and so forth...
Mr. Punk will cease to exist once people stop getting baited by his woman-hating posts.
They aren't all woman hating posts. Mr_P is Mr_P. You either love him or hate him. There's no gray area.
Aside from that, thanks for the entertainment!
Nice talking with you Nina. Please come again.
Jenny
02-05-2005, 10:03 AM
Nina, you're such a sweetheart. As much as I would like to say that I could easily trade a "date" for $2400, lately I can't even give it away. Although, you are right, even if I could give it away, it wouldn't be to that guy. Anyway, I promise not to fret - and the reason I post here and read here is because I like to. At least most of the guys here are funny and those threads that aren't, I don't read. The other board is dominated by guys that are only marginally less overtly offensive and are clearly only posting there so get out their veiled insults, and then their idiocy makes me feel like an idiot for posting on the same board, or (as I almost inevitably do) on the same thread and that just makes me sad because - well, that's pretty self-explanatory. Here, the posts (the ones I read, anyway) tend to make me laugh. And laughing is good. I think Katrine said earlier that certain people can pull off offensive misogyny with humour and panache - and I'm shallow, so, there you go.
NinaDaisy
02-05-2005, 12:31 PM
Moneywise, I've met Katrine and am well aware that she is a hustler of the finest order. The word "no" is not in her vocabulary. I was just trying to point to a contradiction in Thorn's comments.
mr_punk
02-05-2005, 01:16 PM
Jenny's the kind of girl that if she was gonna go that direction, she'd be doing 4 hour dinner dates for $2,500 instead of letting Rath toss a Benjamin her way here and there to be degraded and humiliated by him.so, you're not degrading and humiliating her by even suggesting that jenny would do such a thing for any amount of money. unless, this is your subtle way of posting your going rate. in any case, i don't think jenny would be offended. jenny doesn't seem like the type whose online persona is a begrudging stripper with a bug up her ass.
Jenny, don't fret about these guys.whatever gave you that impression? it looks like you're fretting about it more than jenny.
Mr. Punk will cease to exist once people stop getting baited by his woman-hating posts.that's funny. i was thinking the same thing about you....and yet, here you are.
Aside from that, thanks for the entertainment!anytime, but does this mean you're gone for good? i think this calls for a celebratory song and dance ....munchkin style. "Ding-dong! The merry-o..Sing it high..Sing it low...Let them know the wicked bitch..er..witch is dead". everybody sing along...
The other board is dominated by guys that are only marginally less overtly offensive and are clearly only posting there so get out their veiled insults, and then their idiocy makes me feel like an idiot for posting on the same board, or (as I almost inevitably do) on the same thread and that just makes me said because - well, that's pretty self-explanatory.let's be honest, strippers play their part in this role also. one of the things that tickles me to no end about that board is that some of the people make the silliest remarks and have some of silliest expectations and expect no one to call them on it.
Here, the posts (the ones I read, anyway) tend to make me laugh. And laughing is good. I think Katrine said earlier that certain people can pull off offensive misogyny with humour and panache - and I'm shallow, so, there you go.finally, a stripper who not only doesn't take herself that seriously, but doesn't expect me to take her seriously as well.
mr_punk
02-05-2005, 01:43 PM
But how much information do you think the pink side is sharing about specific customers, either in public posts or in PMs?probably not much, but i could be wrong. why don't you ask Nina Daisy. anyway, why would they be interested? that detail probably isn't important to them. it seems they're more concerned about clubs, house fees, etc.
Here's my hypothesis. Guys are sharing more details amongst themselves about experiences with specific strippers via the blue site than girls are sharing amongst themselves about specific customers via the pink site. What do you think?i don't disagree with your hypothesis. in fact, i stated as much previously albeit indirectly. the reason is simple. the level of mileage at a club is an important question. the level of mileage of a dancer, how she looks (although, not to all customers), how much is the mileage going to cost, etc. all those types of details and questions are important to customers who are interested in mileage. although, the types of interests and information may differ on both sites. the information can be as used a resources in their own way. the difference is that one is more customer-oriented rather than dancer-oriented.
That supports Jenny's point that the information being distributed is a disservice when the woman's relying on your discretion.oh, don't mind jenny. first she tells me that asking a stripper to bend over and stick out her ass is rude. the next thing i know, some customer is asking her to bend over and stick out her ass and she does it. canadians...they're such a whimsical bunch.
seriously, to answer your question. i don't disagree with jenny's point. i'm sure many dancers would feel that it's a disservice. however, if you're asking me if a customer should feel obligated to comply. my answer would be that it's up to the customer. it's nothing personal, but i don't believe the customer is obligated to fulfill the dancer's wishes for a couple of reasons:
1) IMO, the guys are just looking for a casual encounter in most cases. i don't think many of them have an emotional investment wrapped up in the stripper and the reverse is probably true in most cases. so, let's not pretend that the people involved are in some sort of deeply serious relationship with long term goals. in any case, customers pay sex workers to free themselves from such obligations. so, i don't think a customer should be under an obligation not to share his findings after the transaction is completed. OTOH, he isn't under an obligation to share his findings either. it's totally at his discretion.
2) i stated this once before in another thread, but the sex industry is a business. stripclubs are no different than any other offering in the sex industry. they're very good at producing the sizzle, but it's wildly inconsistent when it comes to actually producing the steak. as a result, a customer has to proactive in order to separate the good from the bad. look, it's no different than a stripper using SW as a tool to separate a "good club" from a "bad club".
well, it's no different for a customer when it comes to choosing a club or even a dancer. think of it as the sc version of 'Consumer Reports'. so, the exchange of information about dancers allows a customer to streamline his sc experience. in short, the information has the potential to create a more synergistic transaction which benefits both the customer and the stripper. a customer or a stripper is less likely to waste time, effort and money on one another if they can't meet the demands of each other. ideally, a customer ends up with the stripper he wants and a stripper ends up with the customer she wants.
in closing, and to be brutally frank. if a stripper expects an absolute certainty of discretion. she would be better off working on keeping her orifices closed or living in blissful ignorance. mind you, i'm not judging her for what she does, but that's the only way she can be absolutely certain. a stripper should no more rely on customer for discretion than i would rely on a stripper who tells me "and the next dance will be better than the last".
The public post might not name names, but it operates as a facade for private channels that do. sure, that is the point isn't it? the exchange of information. usually, there is a lot more information behind the scenes than in the front. the information behind the scenes is a lot usually more in-depth and vast compared to what's presented on the front.
Seems to me that the only way to avoid killing the golden goose is not telling anyonesure, it's an option, but it's counterproductive one. a customer might as well slit his own throat. if no one shared information that would put the customer at a disadvantage. in any case, a stripper's knowledge of this information will never kill the golden goose completely. if it actually had that potential, this would have died out long ago. oh, it might cause a stripper or two to close up shop. then again, maybe not...never underestimate the greed of your fellow man. anyway, i just hate to see that happen. especially, if i haven't had a chance to check her out myself.
So you're advocating the avoidance of outright advertising or public posting of specifics, but I contend even being careful by telling a select few opens the door to viral marketing. That is, what once was word of mouth but now is the network of electronic interactivity among individuals. And viral marketing can kill the golden goose just as quick, if not quicker, than advertising.not quite. actually, the current status quo is acceptable. it could be better, but maybe i'm just being a bit of a perfectionist. however, what i'm suggesting is a possible way to exchange information (eradication would be counterproductive) while minimizing the potential headaches as much as possible, but without greatly interfering with the flow of information. so, with respect to viral marketing. i just see it as a acceptable headache versus the alternative of not exchanging any information at all.
Have you noticed how Jenny's exchanges with Mr. Punk deal with ideas, and so are interesting, while the shit you commence is merely personal sniping, and hence boring and stupid? I'm not gonna continue it, but feel free to go on without me.
Moneywise
02-05-2005, 08:19 PM
I shouldn't have said "you all". Replace with "many of you". Kisses!
Much better. ;) Thanks. :-*
afxturnip
02-06-2005, 02:46 PM
A Just because I choose to not partake, doesn't mean I fell off the turnip truck yesterday.
How the hell did the turnips get involved in this? Nobody told me!
-afx
Warning: Daily useless posting quota has been met.
Jenny
02-06-2005, 07:06 PM
so, you're not degrading and humiliating her by even suggesting that jenny would do such a thing for any amount of money.
I think I've established that I am flattered, not degraded or humiliated.
let's be honest, strippers play their part in this role also. one of the things that tickles me to no end about that board is that some of the people make the silliest remarks and have some of silliest expectations and expect no one to call them on it.
Nonsense - I am not in the mood to concede any stripper wrong doing today (see my reasons below). And what I was talking about was really the way guys try to "bestow" their approval of certain posts - they are just so comfortable with feeling superior to us that they don't even notice it anymore. I just figure they are used to dancers fawning over them and agreeing with them (you know - the way we do professionally. Well, not me. But most of us) and they are not used to dancers (well, probably women of any occupation) not doing that.
finally, a stripper who not only doesn't take herself that seriously, but doesn't expect me to take her seriously as well.
You don't take me seriously? I take you seriously. I go to bed at night pondering those seeds of wisdom you scatter on this board. I'm very disappointed. Now I just wonder if there is any point to me continuing on here.
Jenny, even if you're half as beautiful as you are smart and witty, Toronto guys are missing out.
Oh, shucks. Now, I'm just going to take a couple of minutes to blush and giggle. Okay, seriously: are you hitting on me?
I don't know about half - maybe a quarter.... But I think I'm pretty fucking smart and witty, so that's still pretty conceited, really.
oh, don't mind jenny. first she tells me that asking a stripper to bend over and stick out her ass is rude. the next thing i know, some customer is asking her to bend over and stick out her ass and she does it. canadians...they're such a whimsical bunch.
Now, really. I have nothing to do except point and sputter in indignation. Give me a second here. Alright, I'm done. A) that is NOT what I said (hold on another second, apparently I wasn't QUITE done... okay. Now I'm done). I said that I had a customer tell me what to do in a manner that was not offensive to me. And really! Just, really! THIS right here is why girls won't admit when they are wrong! Cause you just bring it back up to discredit them later on! Shame. Just, shame. Seriously, next time someone on this board refuses to give any ground, you just look back on this post.
How the hell did the turnips get involved in this? Nobody told me!
Turnips are ALWAYS relevant. They are rich in vitamins and nutrients.
evan_essence
02-10-2005, 08:29 AM
probably not much, but i could be wrong. why don't you ask Nina Daisy. anyway, why would they be interested? that detail probably isn't important to them. it seems they're more concerned about clubs, house fees, etc.If I could have an indication of how a customer was going to behave ahead of time, his average payout, the type of personality he liked, how adamant he is about a given level of mileage, whether he'd be rude or a gentleman, how he treated his last ATF, I think that would interest me. Basically, for the same reasons you want to know about individual dancers as opposed to only clubs in general. To facilitate a match made in heaven.
It strikes me that our side may be losing out in this race to use individual information to business advantage because of two reasons - the difficulty in obtaining customer information for even an informal distribution because most everything's anonymous and in cash, and perhaps some sappy concern for the personal privacy of the customer instead of thinking of such information purely in pragmatic terms as your side has.
And let me add, I assume you're not abusing the sharing of stripper info to stalk women or find their real identities, but only intending it as sort of a statistical compilation of her past behavior in order to know whether to approach her. Similarly, I'm not suggesting data on customers that would be used to.. oh.. say.. phone their wives if they don't ante up some hush money.. (which I wouldn't condone unless the guy really pissed me off) but rather as a way to judge whether I want to even approach the guy in the club.
i don't disagree with your hypothesis. in fact, i stated as much previously albeit indirectly.
seriously, to answer your question. i don't disagree with jenny's point. i'm sure many dancers would feel that it's a disservice.Careful, in spite of the careful parsing of semantics, that sounds like agreeing with two strippers to me. You may be weakening. Or just feigning it to draw us in.
however, if you're asking me if a customer should feel obligated to comply. my answer would be that it's up to the customer. it's nothing personal, but i don't believe the customer is obligated to fulfill the dancer's wishes for a couple of reasons: The cunning male senses the furtive female is setting a trap for him in her inferences. Guilty of the aforementioned implied question as charged, she admits.
1) IMO, the guys are just looking for a casual encounter in most cases. i don't think many of them have an emotional investment wrapped up in the stripper and the reverse is probably true in most cases. so, let's not pretend that the people involved are in some sort of deeply serious relationship with long term goals. in any case, customers pay sex workers to free themselves from such obligations. so, i don't think a customer should be under an obligation not to share his findings after the transaction is completed.I was thinking more along the lines of quid pro quo. You keep my anonymity; I'll keep yours.
2) i stated this once before in another thread, but the sex industry is a business. stripclubs are no different than any other offering in the sex industry. they're very good at producing the sizzle, but it's wildly inconsistent when it comes to actually producing the steak. as a result, a customer has to proactive in order to separate the good from the bad. look, it's no different than a stripper using SW as a tool to separate a "good club" from a "bad club". Okay, first off, nice euphemisms - sizzle/steak. I'm envisioning me as one of those 4-H drawings of the parts of a cow. Of course, a guy's waving the pointer. I try to keep those four stomachs buff and the udders not so dangly, by the way.
And I'm still reveling in an aha moment here because I'm beginning to catch on to the difference that exists in the focus on information - individual as opposed to general.
in closing, and to be brutally frank. if a stripper expects an absolute certainty of discretion. she would be better off working on keeping her orifices closed or living in blissful ignorance. Hey, I try to watch what I eat before I go to the club so I can keep certain orifices closed that shouldn't be venting at work.
Shee-sus. Steak, orifices. Poor Nina. She may be confused that those terms are subconcious expressions of how you actually view us, rather than a concious use of metaphor in an amusing way.
sure, that is the point isn't it? the exchange of information. usually, there is a lot more information behind the scenes than in the front. the information behind the scenes is a lot usually more in-depth and vast compared to what's presented on the front.Given the number of guys who said they made it with me in high school versus the number of guys who actually did (now mind you, college was a different story), I'm uncertain as to how one would discern the signal from the noise in the channel.
-Ev