View Full Version : How does the dancer feel when a guy finishes?
DeepGreen
01-04-2005, 05:43 PM
And strippers wonder why thye have the reputation of con artists. The guys pay you to give them a tease, and instead you grind them, they come, and then you extort money from them by threatening to sig the bouncers on them? Classy!
Unless the guy planned to come by taking advantage of your mere dance, you have no right to demand money from him.
Whoa...dude...seems a little strident for a first post on the board. /:O This is, after all, a board meant to help strippers--not to berate them.
Back on topic, I think you've painted a fairly one-sided picture of the interaction here. In my experience, customers are rarely so innocent in their dealings with strippers. (I don't hear so many stories of guys getting a lap dance for a "tease" only, then being surprised/upset when he gets more mileage). Moreover, I don't think it's any less classy for a stripper do demand extra money when a guy cums than for a guy to allow himself to cum during a dance without at least indicating that it is imminent, and hence giving the dancer a choice in the matter. But then, my feelings on the matter are probably clear from my previous posts.
Senegat
01-04-2005, 06:05 PM
Whoa...dude...seems a little strident for a first post on the board. /:O This is, after all, a board meant to help strippers--not to berate them.
Back on topic, I think you've painted a fairly one-sided picture of the interaction here. In my experience, customers are rarely so innocent in their dealings with strippers. (I don't hear so many stories of guys getting a lap dance for a "tease" only, then being surprised/upset when he gets more mileage). Moreover, I don't think it's any less classy for a stripper do demand extra money when a guy cums than for a guy to allow himself to cum during a dance without at least indicating that it is imminent, and hence giving the dancer a choice in the matter. But then, my feelings on the matter are probably clear from my previous posts.
I'm not berating strippers. I'm berating the one whom I quoted. It's not berating to say that strippers don't have the best reputation. That's fact. And actually, I happen to think that most of what the public thinks about strippers is bullshit. I've known some strippers whom I have the utmost respect for (I didn't meet them in the club).
But common. The one in question was laughing about making men cum, then threatening them into paying extra money. It's not as if the men have a choice of whether to cum or not. You can't will yourself to cum. It just happens. Maybe you could make an argument that if a guy cums, he's recieved something extra, and for that he should pay extra, but you cannot demand that he pay extra. You cannot demand that someone pay for something he never asked for.
I believe officious intermedling is the legal term used with contracts. It means if you show up and mow a guy's lawn without asking him first, you cannot demand that he pay you afterwards. Similarly, you cannot give a guy a lap dance with the understanding that you will just dance and tease, grind him till the point of orgasm, then demand he pay you for the service which he never requested in the first place.
ChocolateKiss
01-04-2005, 06:10 PM
A guy finishing is gross-- the job of a stripper is to tease and provide a fantasy. If the guy gets off it's not much of a tease, and the fantasy is ruined.
standupguy
01-05-2005, 03:48 AM
This is so odd to me- it seems like every club I go to (which has only been in LA and Vegas) the girls want to finish the guy off- which is why I don't get dances that often- who wants to walk aroud with that in your pants- ha.
Is this just a Vegas and LA thing? Are other clubs around the country less about the grinding and touching and more about the actual dance?
sadbuttrue
01-05-2005, 06:14 AM
squishy?
>>>Sad<<<
scarlett623
01-05-2005, 01:19 PM
A guy finishing is gross-- the job of a stripper is to tease and provide a fantasy. If the guy gets off it's not much of a tease, and the fantasy is ruined.
Thanks Chocolatekiss, took the words right out of my mouth. As I've said in other posts, I am an entertainer, not a hooker. I am there to provide a hot fantasy,stimulating conversation and a good time. If all you want is release then get a prostitute. That takes the problem right out of it. You and she know what you want up front and there are no misunderstandings. In the almost 14 years I've been in the business (dancing, waitressing, and DJing) the expectations for a dance have gone through the roof. I NEVER,EVER intend for a customer to finish during a dance. That's for them to do on their own later. If they use the erotic dance I gave them for inspiration, that's up to them. ;D
DeepGreen
01-05-2005, 04:49 PM
This is so odd to me- it seems like every club I go to (which has only been in LA and Vegas) the girls want to finish the guy off- which is why I don't get dances that often- who wants to walk aroud with that in your pants- ha.
Is this just a Vegas and LA thing? Are other clubs around the country less about the grinding and touching and more about the actual dance?
How do you determine that a dancer "wants" to finish you off? I have never once had a LD in which I would argue that the dancer "wanted" me to finish--and that includes in the VIP rooms. Now, I have had many dances with quite a bit of heavy contact--but that, in my mind, is different. If you are assuming that heavy contact implies that the dancer wants you to finish--I would argue that you are mistaken. On the other hand, certain clubs are well known for various types of extras (as discussed in other threads). If you tend to frequent these clubs, I suppose that things might be different.
The Original Babygirl
01-05-2005, 05:39 PM
when a man "finish" I'm finish. Mainly because they got what they wanted. I don't like it, but hey it's natural and should be taken as normal. After all it's a man in a room full of hot naked girls...I'm sure lots of them just leave out the club and jack off in the car, or even go to the club restroom to finish off anyway. Either way...if the man enjoyed you, he's going to cum or jack off to you when he gets home.
grove542000
01-05-2005, 06:39 PM
In response to Post 117 above...I have usually determined when a dancer wants me to "finish" by the the dancer looking me in the eyes and saying one of the following:
"I'm going to make you cum"
"I'm going to get you off"
"You have to pay me $X more if you get off."
"What do you need get off?"
I have been told at least one of the above during various LDs.
I wouldn't think that any of the above is an "extra", although I suppose that the last one skirts the line.
yoda57us
01-06-2005, 06:32 AM
I think we have to seperate weather a dancer "wants" you to finish from weather or not she thinks it will be good for return business. I don't think any of them like the idea but those that encourage it and work towards it feel that it will help their income.
I go to several medium to high contact clubs and without a doubt there are woman working in these clubs who are trying to grind you into an orgasm. There are also women who will take matters a bit further wit HR and more. These women talk about the goal of making a customer ejaculate openly, with resolution and a fair amount of disdain.
I'm sure that a lot of what we are talking about here varies with geographic location. In some Providence clubs, grinding and groping to orgasm is the only way some girls will make any money. On the other hand, I was in a club in Oxnard California last year where a dancer was perfectly willing to sit on my face but had no interest in grinding or fondling little yoda.
I think JZ just summed it up well:
"What a varied and interesting world we live in."
FONDL
01-06-2005, 09:19 AM
I'm sorry if I've already said this, but I think the answer to the original question is related to the level of contact that occurs in the club. In low contact clubs there's probably very little expectation on the part of most customers that finishing is OK. But it seems to me that in high contact clubs a lot of the customers are likely to think that that's the whole point of the dances. And for the clubs in between there's probably some of each, depending on the girl. Maybe I'm wrong, but this seems kinda obvious to me.
Family friend
01-12-2005, 05:31 PM
Are you telling me that during a lap dance guys are allowed to expose themselves? I thought that was not allowed.
yoda57us
01-12-2005, 07:29 PM
FF: No, that's not really the point of the thread. As torturous as this may sound, you may want to read the posts before you draw too many conclusions.
FONDL: I think this is where we came in.
FONDL
01-13-2005, 11:07 AM
Yeah, I think we've pretty much beat this subject to death (pun intended.)
CuriousJ
01-13-2005, 05:07 PM
My opinion is I dont have one ;D
lestat1
01-13-2005, 09:06 PM
Just had my first VIP ever tonight. I think I pretty much give up on finding any correlation between the clubs and dancers in my area, and the clubs and dancers on here. Of course, I went to a neighborhood dive club where dances are minimum $40/song, usually $60 or more, and if the dancer spends more than 20 sconds or so dancing "off" of the customer's lap that's a super-tease/rip-off. Dances are 2-way contact and everything about them, from the heavy lap dance cloths, to the dancer's casual straightforward attitude about certain things, to the heavy grinding, screams that by design, the goal is to get the customer off.
During my VIP I had to tell her to stop, and even explained upfront that it just meant I might need a little break (I'm sure my lack of stamina is no shock to anyone on here who knows me). As the half-hour neared its close, she said, and I quote: "There's only five minutes left, you wanna cum?" After that she said (again an exact quote): "I'm sorry I can't suck your cock, but I'm sure I can get you off with what we were just doing." ( you read that correctly, it was even a sincere apology! :O ) Now please keep in mind, I didn't ask for that or anything! I didn't ask at any point for more mileage, or if I could do more, or anything! This was just Standard Operating Procedure for her. Before we left, she also made sure to mention that next time I could masturbate if I wanted to, and that in fact, the VIP was intended for that sort of thing. I declined, so she siad that if I just wanted the lap dances, that was okay too. :O I'm still processing this visit...
I realize this story would've been more appropriate on the blue site under trip reports, but I do feel bad for the original poster. I spent years asking questions here about my clubs, and it took me a long time to learn that there are no dancers around here (or at least, no vocal ones) who work at clubs like mine, so I can't get those answers. More frustrating, no matter how hard one tries to insert a conditional into their question on high-contact clubs, or emphasize the distinction, or beg and plead, the discussion always becomes one of condeming such behavior in their low-contact club. Great, I aggree - keep low-contact clubs low-contact. But this question is about high-contact clubs. In my opinion, 95% of these posts are completely off-topic. This is like me saying "What do you think about pickels on burgers?" and someone firing back with: "What!? I hate pickels on my salads. How can you put pickels on salad? I can't stand it when someone comes along and wants pickels on their salad." It's very frustrating...
So, to answer the original question...my best guess is in a high-contact dive club it's not an uncommon occurance, and may very well be quite common. I imagine it's unpleasant for the dancer, but worth it to her, and probably "just another night at work" to one who has worked in such a high-contact club for a long time.
I also got one dance later on tonight from an amazingly sexy and cute dancer who looked very young and probably new. Her dances were tame for that club, but still quite enjoyable. My advice for high-contact clubs is [b]always clarifiy her rules first[b], be safe, and IF a dancer offers A, I wouldn't worry too much about how she feels about doing A. That last piece of advice is the one I wanted answers on years ago, but gave up on finding. My guess is if you're told "You can touch my breasts," then it's okay to do so without stopping to think if she really minds or not...that sort of doubting is a slippery slope leading to absurdity.
But of course we'll never, ever know for sure... :(
velvet
01-13-2005, 09:47 PM
no lestat you are right there are plenty of the two way contact grind clubs of which you speak. i have worked them and im sure other girls here have too.. however i dont work in that kind of club anymore and it's been a long time. i think we have a few here that still do. i dont think it's a case of not admitting that that activity goes on it just seems by everyones locale that they dont work in that kind of club. sure they are common but not near as common as the ones that arent like that.
toxicgirl
01-13-2005, 11:43 PM
let me put it to ya this way. you cum on a girls crotch. she's not on birth control, chances are it's unlikely but what if...yeah guys think of it that way. another thing: 1 in 5 people has an std. she grinds on you with no cover over your lap. you pull your dick out later to take a piss. herpes & warts can be spread this way!
i dont grind people facing them. my reason: piercings. it does hurt & can tear them.
toxicgirl
01-13-2005, 11:44 PM
so what i'm saying is: always have something over your lap! when i worked in grind clubs, i always did! i told them it was because the buttons on their pants would hurt.
yoda57us
01-14-2005, 06:52 PM
In Providence you can go from Air dance club to "jack shack" in five minutes if you know the back roads. The dancers in the jack shacks are not the spawn of Satan any more than the airdance babes are former miss congeniality winners. They are all just women trying to make a living in a tough business the best way they can. I don't see anyone denying that both types of club exist. However, it is a touchy subject and I think it's probably impossible for it to be addressed without a fair amount of emotion and yes, disdain.
colleen
02-06-2005, 06:44 PM
Yoda, your signature line says it all for me. "I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused " I work in a small wannabe GC in indiana (no dances on the floor, but high-contact VIP) , and also in a sleezy lap dance bar in Illinois (all dances in public at the bar). In both places, I have had customers lose it during a dance. The first time it happened, I was totally repulsed by it. What's worse, the guy sat at the bar and drank beer with his friends for a couple more hours!
To answer the original question in this thread, my personal reaction is, "Oh, that again." Sometimes I get a chuckle out of it, especilaly if the guy is surprised at his own reaction. I usually don't believe it when they say it has never happened before. If they seem embarqssed, I tell them ther is nothing to be embarassed about. I keep my mouth shut in the dressing room, because I feel that sexual release is a little bit personal, and if I was the customer, I would not want the dancers ripping on me for my physical reaction. Maybe because I used to work in an emergency room, bodily fluids are not that big a deal to me. After all, at least I don't have to CHANGE thier pants for them! I also worked in the peep shows in Chicago for a while, so I tend to feel grateful that I don't actaullly have to see it.
Another question people have been asking is whether the dancers are INTENTIONALLY trying to get the guys off. Nobody I know admits to it, but I bet there are quite a few who do. In the club where I work, many of the girls are former extras girls, but the law has recently become more strict and we are limited as to what we can do to a customer. IF you are used to giving BJs, what's a little lap dance, right? For myself, I pride myself on being abole to follow a austomer's cues to give the dance he wants. If he is looking for an airy tease, I can do that. IF he is looking for a high-grope grind, I'm your girl. IF he starts pumping faster and faster and breathing shallow and nearly levitating off his seat.....well.
As for what do I do with the remaindier of his dance, that's easy. When he slows down, so do I.
We all work in different places. I know some of the girls who work in the better GC's woudl be totally grossed out my my tolerence for this kind of thing, and many girls I know consider me a goody two-shoes because I stay STRICTLY within the law. We all hyave our limits and our tolerences, I guess.
naomisantos77
03-17-2005, 01:11 PM
Oh, the icky things that we have to tolerate sometimes.
I had yet another icky encounter over the weekend when a customer whom I was private dancing for asked me to finger myself and stick my finger in his mouth. :yuck: How gross.
I think the western world has an increased number of oral lovers. I've had more customers ask to do more oral things with my kitty than I ever have had before. Please tell me I'm not the only one who experiences this?
no you are not the only one don't worry :P
yoda57us
03-17-2005, 09:34 PM
Yoda, your signature line says it all for me. "I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused " .
Thanks, I'll give credit where credit is due: Elvis Costello, "The Angels Wanna Wear My Red Shoes"
Another question people have been asking is whether the dancers are INTENTIONALLY trying to get the guys off.
"They want to cum, if you don't do it, they will find somebody else who will and spend the money on them."
Quote from a dancer friend of mine who grins and bears it...and tries to make them last 2 or 3 songs.
cincyguy
03-18-2005, 06:49 AM
. Another question people have been asking is whether the dancers are INTENTIONALLY trying to get the guys off. Nobody I know admits to it, but I bet there are quite a few who do.
This reminds me of an experience I had a couple months ago in my favorite club in Portland. It's a "no contact" club, but most girls give a little contact. My usual faves weren't there, so I got a dance from another girl I didn't know. In this case, she was grinding away, and then she says "Go ahead and cum if you want", followed by a "squeeze" through my pants. I was shocked, since I know the club and the standards, plus I wasn't even close to that condition. When I made an excuse that I didn't want a mess, she told me I could always clean up the the mens room - she seemed to really be "selling" the idea.
I have heard since then that this dancer no longer works there (though she had been there for over a year). It had seemed to me that some of the dancers were giving more and more contact over the previous weeks. I think the club realized it and started to clean things up.
Etania
03-20-2005, 06:20 PM
At many clubs in my area, which I've worked most of them. A lot of guys expect it. If you dont, then they wont tip you. Girls do it all the time. One guy did one time during a dance. I didnt even touch him. I was so grossed out, I shrieked, and said he was gross, and he got embarassed threw me $100, and ran out. I was so shocked, I didnt know what to do. I, myself do not grind. If a guy gets hard, and wants me to sit on him, I will kick him. I dont like to sit, I dance. Ive had so many customers say Im not worth the $20 because I refuse to grind, and make them cum. Oh well, I still have theyre money, along with my dignity!
venom830
03-20-2005, 09:51 PM
id say it would be impossible for me to cum by a dancer grinding on my lap. Longevity is my specialty.
Super Cecil
03-21-2005, 12:20 AM
i've never had a dancer get me that far. as a matter of fact I've never had a dancer get me full stock either. i've had a few that have got him woke up.
and then he asked "permission to go phase 2" and the reply was a resounding no.
requires a little more then dry humping for most "sober" guys.
drunken guys are ticking time bombs.
cosis
03-21-2005, 01:38 PM
right on, i never even came close to finishing in all the dances i've had.... usually if i can get hard after drinking a bunch i would say that dancers good
gdamadg
03-23-2005, 07:09 PM
I almost fell off of my chair. Spewed Pepsi half way across the room after watching Tubby Bob.
daveinsa
03-23-2005, 07:14 PM
id say it would be impossible for me to cum by a dancer grinding on my lap. Longevity is my specialty.
I'm with you there Venom, I'm the same way but when you can say that at 50 like I am you got something going on. LOL
ivy44
03-29-2005, 10:46 PM
Men have such issues. Ew.. --Topics like this make me want my gurls again
ivy44
03-29-2005, 10:48 PM
Men just grose me out at times.. yuck!!
Element
03-30-2005, 03:09 PM
I remember a dancer telling me she was fired for kicking a customer down the stairs at the last club she worked at for this very reason apparently it was her first time experiencing this.
Mr Tom
05-24-2011, 01:06 PM
To All, I say "hello"! lol! Here is the thing, I am a male and have had several women who worked in the clubs stay with me as I always had room at my house. Normally I would just view these posts, but it seems like there are some aggressive men who just don't get it... The only time I personally got in trouble at a strip club was when ALL the night shift dancers were at my house eating my home made BBQ. Two days later when I went to the club, the manager yelled at me - how funny!
Any how, I digress. Guy's if a dancer makes you cum in your pant's - good for you! Just remember (ladies tell me if i am off base here...) these women have a hard physical job. You slip them a one dollar bill, you should expect at best a smile. For some reason guys assume a dollar tip makes them "Big Daddy". WTF? Every dancer has a life outside the club. Funny anecdote - an occasional room mate and dancer was on stage and it was just before Christmas, I went up and started throwing her Benjimans - would have just given them at the house (for her kids X-mas presents), but I and she and our other friends noticed that if you "primed the pump", that is a guy started tipping, other guys would follow suit... NE how, I am still friends with most of the dancers and porn stars I have met. Guess this long intro comes down to this: Guy's quite being so desperate, women: you know who respects you. Stay with them. Anyone wishes to talk, my email is in my profile - sorry fellas I am a straight male, lol...
Raider
05-24-2011, 01:09 PM
Great....a six year old post brought back to life.
Brigham
05-24-2011, 07:27 PM
I think the stripper should feel good about herself because it means that she has done her job well. As far as the customer is concerned, he is entitled to cum in his pants if he so chooses. After all he paid for it.
Raider
05-24-2011, 07:32 PM
I think the stripper should feel good about herself because it means that she has done her job well. As far as the customer is concerned, he is entitled to cum in his pants if he so chooses. After all he paid for it.
Really hate to give credibility to old topic but NO....it does not mean she did her job as it is not her job to make 'it' happen. And NO....it is not what the customer is paying for.
Brigham
05-24-2011, 08:07 PM
Really hate to give credibility to old topic but NO....it does not mean she did her job as it is not her job to make 'it' happen. And NO....it is not what the customer is paying for.
What is her job then? And, what did you pay for if not to cum?
lopaw
05-24-2011, 08:56 PM
Great....a six year old post brought back to life.
lol yeah something tells me this one should have stayed dead and buried.
charlieH
05-25-2011, 02:58 AM
This happened last weekend. I was in the VIP room and the guy jst grunted lol then asked "are we only on song two?" i told him it had jst started to which he replyed "wow i only made it to song two!??" lol compleatly loud enough for everyone in the vip dance room to hear lol so then i told him "well I guess if your done im done", got dressed and walked out..
Edit: oops didnt notice it was so old! ya this oculd of stayed buried lol I jst found that story kinda funny in a way lol since he jst announced it to everyone lol and i work at a pretty low contact club. it was almost an air dance lol oh well.
rickdugan
05-25-2011, 09:53 AM
lol yeah something tells me this one should have stayed dead and buried.
Yup. Though it would be interesting to know what else Brigham thinks he is paying for when he buys a $20 LD. ;)
Vyanka
05-25-2011, 10:00 AM
I think the stripper should feel good about herself because it means that she has done her job well. As far as the customer is concerned, he is entitled to cum in his pants if he so chooses. After all he paid for it.
I think you should never visit a strip club ever in your life again.
noelle
05-25-2011, 04:44 PM
Wow this thread is so old! There's a post I made on the first page and it was from when I first started dancing... seven years ago!!!
ASSLover
05-25-2011, 05:37 PM
How does she feel?
She probably feels like vomiting allover you and then kicking your ass in her 9 inch stilettos..
Elusive21
05-26-2011, 09:56 AM
What is her job then? And, what did you pay for if not to cum?
how dense are you? :O
A customer pays for a DANCE. No where in a club does it say CUM IN YOUR PANTS FOR $20.
it says DANCES $20.
if you're paying to cum then you better be shelling out more than $20. you better be paying $500-$1000, that is, if you are successful in finding an extras girl to dance for you.
But a lap dance is just that - a l.a.p. d.a.n.c.e. (no splooging on purpose please!) you give me $20 and I give you a dance. it's as simple as that. ;)
Brigham
05-26-2011, 08:18 PM
^ Nope. You have it wrong. Here is the right version. When a penis is simulated it ejects sperm. That is how biology works. If you do not want people to ejaculate in their pants then do not dry hump them. Just stick to stage shows.
yoda57us
05-27-2011, 11:12 AM
Nothing has really changed much in the five or six years since this thread started. If anything it's gotten worse as far as contact levels and extras being offered. There are clean clubs and dirty clubs just as there are clean dancers and dirty dancers. A lot of what happens varies regionally. Some gals have options and can pick and choose where they want to work. Others do not. Some would rather dance clean but find the busier clubs in their area are heavier contact.
Now, just as back then, I make it a habit not to judge a dancer for how much or how little she does to make a living. Lots of people do things that they would rather not do to pay the bills.
Ms.Scarlet
06-21-2011, 10:49 PM
I always ask my customers to warn me beforehand.
I work in a medium contact club and my dances involve a fair amount of grinding.
Last Friday two or three different men warned me ahead of time.
They were all middle aged, decent looking and appeared to have an adequate amount of sexual experience....
Hopper
06-21-2011, 11:26 PM
I know I'm weird, but I've never understood how guys can release during a dance--or after 20 dances for that matter.
Sure it can happen. It can sneak right up on a guy suddenly when something happens to excite him. I've had it happen to me (though I managed to catch myself in time) just from a girl looking at me or talking to me in a certain way (i.e. flirting), especially if she is naked or dressed in revealing or sexy clothes. Strangely it has rarely if ever happened to me in the SC (I don't remember an instance if it off the top of my head) but I guess that is because (1) in a SC I know the girl isn't really flirting, so there is no excitement from the anticipation of "scoring" with the girl and (2) I don't frequently meet strippers who greatly turn me on in any way (something of an irony in itself).
I think guys should be able to control themselves during LDs, but then they are supposed to be exciting, so it's going to happen some time.
What they hell do they do during sex (if they ever have it)? Triple bag it with lidocaine lube?
What's mysterious about that? They get off before they have sex, or get off quickly the first time and then go again when they are back up.
I think the stripper should feel good about herself because it means that she has done her job well. As far as the customer is concerned, he is entitled to cum in his pants if he so chooses. After all he paid for it.
What is her job then? And, what did you pay for if not to cum?
^ Nope. You have it wrong. Here is the right version. When a penis is simulated it ejects sperm. That is how biology works. If you do not want people to ejaculate in their pants then do not dry hump them. Just stick to stage shows.
Brigham, this is one of those times which prove you are deliberately trolling for laughs, even though you do make a point, LDs aren't for getting off, but they are sexually exciting.
Nothing has really changed much in the five or six years since this thread started. If anything it's gotten worse as far as contact levels and extras being offered. There are clean clubs and dirty clubs just as there are clean dancers and dirty dancers. A lot of what happens varies regionally. Some gals have options and can pick and choose where they want to work. Others do not. Some would rather dance clean but find the busier clubs in their area are heavier contact.
Now, just as back then, I make it a habit not to judge a dancer for how much or how little she does to make a living. Lots of people do things that they would rather not do to pay the bills.
Are contact clubs not considered "clean"? All of the clubs in my town are contact and have been for 15 years or more now. Contact in these clubs is officially allowed, it is not "extra". All the dancers in them are "clean" because they are not breaking the rules by allowing touching. There are still areas where touching is not allowed (i.e. between the legs) and certain types of contact which are not allowed (mouth contact by customer - kissing, sucking, licking, biting etc.).
Pretty_Penny
06-22-2011, 12:23 PM
uhg. fucking nasty.
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