View Full Version : pigtail nazi
devilkitty
12-22-2004, 02:38 PM
no the bouncer was not relying a message, i asked . Even if he thought they looked tacky i dont really think that is place anyways tata for now
LauraLove
12-22-2004, 02:58 PM
However, I was just saying that YOUR argument about the "protection behind a contract" is wrong. That's what the whole entire post was about. It was not getting personal with you . Hmm OK :-\ but that is just your opinion. I however disagree that contracts are useless to dancers.
In my opinion, a contract is great place to start when trying to determine or find out what rights and responsibilities both the dancer & the club have to eachother on a number of subjects; including costume and various other rules and requirements.
Maybe we should just agree to disagree.
Bridgette
12-22-2004, 06:59 PM
If there was no rule, and the manager hadn't said she needed to take the pigtails down, then the bouncer was just making it up on his own and should have been told to stick it. I've read devilkitty's posts in this thread and according to her, there is no rule against pigtails and no manager said they're out. Bouncers don't make club rules, the OWNERS AND MANAGERS make them. So now devilkitty knows that next time a bouncer tells her to change her hair, she should ignore him or get a manager. That guy was clearly out of line.
devilkitty
12-23-2004, 01:11 AM
thanks bridg
BigGreenMnM
12-23-2004, 02:27 PM
So now devilkitty knows that next time a bouncer tells her to change her hair, she should ignore him or get a manager. In the case of no set rules against it,i agree.
I do however want to caution young/newbie entertainers on a few things and then i swear,i will try to stfu on this thread.
Norma Rae was a good sally fields movie,that shit dont work in our world,at least not yet.I welcome the day it would,its just not here yet imo.
When the day comes that at least 50% of entertainers are working as legal IC's then maybe the contracts will mean something.Right now they just dont.
I have read them from start to finish,as they read in many different states,they are all saying the same thing.
"Its our way,or the highway.""do as I say and not as I do""if i decide to change our agreement,without notice,you gotta follow it,as if you signed up for it"
If you have doubts,get a lawyer to read it in your jurisdiction,see what they say about how good a "platform"the contract is to stand on against the club in a legal dispute.
It will only cost you a couple hundred bucks to get it read,and its worth every penny imo.
Clubs have been known to toss in a few extras that might be bad for your career.
Ever heard of a club using your image for marketing and not paying you for it??How about them selling your image to a third party and its LEGAL!?!?!?!
Many of you ladies may be working under a very common contract situation and not even know it.And you gotta trust me,these are club owners and it CAN and DOES get worse.
How many entertainers actually read and understand the contract before they sign it???
How many entertainers who have hit it big after stripping find out that a club they worked at 15 years ago still owns a % of them,FOREVER!!!
I say the contract aint shit,and I belive that to be gospel.others disagree with that.
For kripes sake,use this disagreement to your advantage!!Find out for yourselves!!
Get a copy of the contract!
Get it looked at by someone who isnt a shit house lawyer!
PROVE IT TO YOURSELF!!!!!!Its way to dam important NOT to!!!!
(im pissin in the wind,this post is not directed towards anyone living or dead so nobody take offense)
I dont suggest standing toe to toe with a doorguy everytime they say something that you dont agree with.
Most doorguys are not assholes and are there to help in the process.
If the doorguys at your club has "powers"then he deserves respect just like a mgr or ass mgr.
If the doorguys at your club dont have "powers"they at least deserve a little respect,some that i have known would stop a bullit for ya at the drop of a hat,without hesitation,and for alot less then the secret service makes!
That guy was clearly out of line.yea,about halfway through the thread.;)
and now we agree.
michele1
12-23-2004, 02:34 PM
There are no contracts in most clubs in florida. If you pay to work there and they dont pay you, there are still club rules but you could sue if you are asked to do something and are not really an employee. Thats how it is in florida. You are in a different state, different rules club chain etc.
BigGreenMnM
12-23-2004, 03:03 PM
There are no contracts in most clubs in florida. If you pay to work there and they dont pay you, there are still club rules but you could sue if you are asked to do something and are not really an employee. Thats how it is in florida. You are in a different state, different rules club chain etc.Over the years this industry has been alive,how many entertainers do you think have worked in it??
Zillions??
With contract or not,how many times have you heard of entertainers sueing a club?
Its less then a handfull.
If it is possible to find a case,99% of the time the entertainer/s lose.
Isnt this proof enough???
I would hope the fuck not!!(but its a real good "hint"imo)
Im just some old friggin strip club jock in the twilight of my career!!
It would be utterly retarded of anyone to rely on what I say,or anyone else says, when it comes to something as important as this.
Your career!
Your Image and the future of it!!!
Dont guess at where you stand legally as an entertainer,you owe it to yourself to find out for real.
Maybe a few girls can post contracts from different parts of the country and we can discuss it in forum,maybe this will be the proof people need.
Even so,I still think each entertainer should find out about the contract THEY signed,sometimes individual results may vary.
michele1
12-23-2004, 03:09 PM
I have been dancing for 10 years Iam not a newbie and well aware of how it works. Thanks though. Oh and I have seen entertainers in florida sue because they were were asked to do something that they couldnt make us do because we are independent contractors. I t was a big class action suit at the top club in florida and one of the top chains in the country. So I know of what I speak.
Bridgette
12-23-2004, 03:11 PM
While I most certainly don't advocate copping attitude with any of the club staff at any time, sometimes it's necessary to stand your ground a bit in order to not be run over. These guys will take advantage of you in every way possible if you show them you'll put up with it. Of course in general, you get more with honey so it's always best to smile and use appropriate tact, even in a confrontation. That's hard to do and I sometimes let my anger get the best of me, but I quickly calm down and settle things appropriately. I have gotten MUCH better at controlling it though and I definitely advise anyone to make a conscious effort to do the same. You get much further by remaining calm and approaching the situation tactfully and intelligently. Good point BG.
BigGreenMnM
12-23-2004, 03:22 PM
I have been dancing for 10 years Iam not a newbie and well aware of how it works. Thanks though. Oh and I have seen entertainers in florida sue because they were were asked to do something that they couldnt make us do because we are independent contractors. I t was a big class action suit at the top club in florida and one of the top chains in the country. So I know of what I speak.Not trying to offend you at all,we agree,someone in the business for 10 years learns a thing or two.I dont mean to call you a newbie or use the word newbie as an insult.
I would love to see the case your talking about,can you post something on it??
Might make for good discussion.
If someone can find more then one instance,i would love to see some of that also.
michele1
12-23-2004, 03:27 PM
Well there probably hasnt been to many instances of entertainers suing you are right about that. I dont have an article but I worked at the club when the suit was going on. I recieved a letter from the attorney wanting to know if I wanted to join in on the class action suit. I know the girls who did were awarded like 4000 a piece. The suit came about becasue the girl could only work 2 shifts per week . They said she had to work 4. They fired her, so she her suit was that if they made her work a set schedule then they owed her minimum wage. Well they all got that. I was working there I didnt want anything to do with the suit.
BigGreenMnM
12-23-2004, 03:37 PM
Well there probably hasnt been to many instances of entertainers suing you are right about that. I dont have an article but I worked at the club when the suit was going on. I recieved a letter from the attorney wanting to know if I wanted to join in on the class action suit. I know the girls who did were awarded like 4000 a piece. The suit came about becasue the girl could only work 2 shifts per week . They said she had to work 4. They fired her, so she her suit was that if they made her work a set schedule then they owed her minimum wage. Well they all got that. I was working there I didnt want anything to do with the suit.
kewl beans!!!
The power of stripperweb!!!!!
Someone who was actually there!
Mind if i ask a few Q's???
How many of the girls who joined the suit and got paid 4000 dollars are still working there??
Any?
Some?
Most?
The girl who filed the initial suit,is SHE still working for the club???
BigGreenMnM
12-23-2004, 03:40 PM
I was working there I didnt want anything to do with the suit.would you mind saying why???
michele1
12-23-2004, 06:15 PM
No she was long gone by the time I started there. No none of the dancers involved in the suit worked there when I did. I think they had to pay out around 30-40 thousand I heard. Iam guessing there was around 10 dancers involved in the suit. I didnt want to get involved because I know the owner well and my daughters father and I were together at the time and hes been there for 8 years.
BigGreenMnM
12-23-2004, 07:11 PM
No she was long gone by the time I started there. No none of the dancers involved in the suit worked there when I did. I think they had to pay out around 30-40 thousand I heard. Iam guessing there was around 10 dancers involved in the suit. I didnt want to get involved because I know the owner well and my daughters father and I were together at the time and hes been there for 8 years.Drat,ok,i thought you were there to see it.
Did this happen in the late 80's or early 90's,maybe someone else can help to dig up the story?
Have you heard of any that were more recent that would be easy to hunt down?
I wonder if the girls involved were "long gone"because the suit cost them thier jobs?
If they traded a job for 4000 dollars, what most girls can do in one month,did they really win??
I bet the lawyers made more!
michele1
12-24-2004, 12:09 PM
This occured in 98. I didnt pay much attention to it because it didnt affect me. They had no mandatory 4 shifts per week anymore, so. Yeah most of the girls who joined in the suit were ones who were fired for whatever reason over the years as far as I know. Cant tell you to much more about it, thats all I know.
LauraLove
12-26-2004, 12:16 PM
There are no contracts in most clubs in florida. If you pay to work there and they dont pay you, there are still club rules but you could sue if you are asked to do something and are not really an employee. Thats how it is in florida. You are in a different state, different rules club chain etc.Strange /:O I have worked in Florida more than a few times and on both coasts and also north and south parts of the state. Every club had me sign a contract of some sort when I was hired.
With contract or not,how many times have you heard of entertainers sueing a club?
Its less then a handfull.
If it is possible to find a case,99% of the time the entertainer/s lose.Wait, did I miss something ? I don't think DevilKitty had any thoughts of a lawsuit.
While I most certainly don't advocate copping attitude with any of the club staff at any time, sometimes it's necessary to stand your ground a bit in order to not be run over. These guys will take advantage of you in every way possible if you show them you'll put up with it.
I agree 1000% !
michele1
12-26-2004, 06:09 PM
The area I am in ( tampa bay) there arent any contracts.
michele1
12-26-2004, 06:10 PM
Also, the area of discussion.
LauraLove
12-26-2004, 06:42 PM
The area I am in ( tampa bay) there arent any contracts.
Again, strange /:O I had to sign paper work in Clearwater (Christines) and Tampa (Mons).
I think contracts are club specific thing and it varies even within the same local area.
michele1
12-26-2004, 06:51 PM
Laura are you sure it wasnt an job ap? Because I have worked in clearwater and tampa for over 10 years and I have friends who own clubs and none of them have contracts. Though I have never worked at mons or christines, but never heard of that in pinellas or tampa.
LauraLove
12-26-2004, 07:02 PM
Yes, I'm sure.
I remember I.C. language in them.
devilkitty
12-27-2004, 08:29 PM
Actually in many tampa area clubs you dfo have to sign a contrct
michele1
12-28-2004, 04:08 PM
None of the ones I ever worked in. But I worked there in 98-01 in upscale clubs so, I dont know. Maybe they changed it.
toxicgirl
12-29-2004, 09:28 AM
that is SO stupid! i wear pigtails or dreadlock extensions. i'm always wearing some sort of crazy hair. i just got my mowhawk back. people love it! it took awhile for my current club to accept me, but once they saw i was a decent girl & had little drama, they couldnt get enough!
LauraLove
01-02-2005, 04:38 PM
None of the ones I ever worked in. But I worked there in 98-01 in upscale clubs so, I dont know. Maybe they changed it.Again weird, because there were only two upscale clubs in the late 90's in that area as I remember and I know that at least one of them had a contract.
I didn't work at the other (didn't care for their schedule requirements) so I couldn't tell you about Dollhouse. But the other club Scarlett's (near the airport) which was the best in town hands down from what I could see myself and from word of mouth. That club had a contract that included costume requirements.
I loved that club but didn't find it until the last 3 days of my trip. I wanted to go back last year but I heard it closed down so the city could build some new bridge or something :'(
But anyway my point is: contracts seem to be a club specific thing rather than a local one.
VenusGoddess
01-03-2005, 08:35 AM
I feel this thread has been talked through, so I am locking it.