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cherryblossomsinspring
06-19-2012, 05:45 AM
I know some guest restarted this thread but wow I wish some of these posters would come back. This was quite the interesting read! Wow that maximsv guy great responses!!

maximvsv
06-19-2012, 10:49 PM
For the last few years, it seems that all the stuff worth writing about is in threads guys aren't allowed to access.

cherryblossomsinspring
06-20-2012, 12:02 AM
For the last few years, it seems that all the stuff worth writing about is in threads guys aren't allowed to access.

That's a shame I was so thinking wow I want to have this guy's babies. Your responses made me drool:) I didn't think you were even around here anymore but glad to know you are. Hope someone asks more questions:)

J.D.
06-21-2012, 12:52 AM
I have so many questions...... off the top of my head though:

Is it possible that my perception is not the same as others'? So, how I perceive the color red may look like a completely different color to somebody else? There would be absolutely no way of finding out, because each of us would grow up assigning that perception to "Red" with no way to describe it to an outsider.

Is it possibly that right now, in my surreal life, that I am actually in a coma, or dreaming, or catatonic state, or any debilitating mental state, of which I may or may not be subconsciously aware, and at any moment I could snap out of it and wake up in a hospital bed, mental institution, floor of a church, alien planet, whereever, with me not knowing what the fuck is going on or where I am, have been waiting for me to awaken, and that this was all a "dream" or illusion.... ? Sometimes I feel like this is all not real but I am unable to accept reality, so this "reality" is almost like my defense mechanism, and when I'm strong enough I am going to wake up into my real life.

J.D.
06-21-2012, 12:53 AM
Is it possible that I am mentally retarded or schizophrenic, but completely unaware? Just living in my own blissful oblivion....

J.D.
06-21-2012, 12:59 AM
What does my recurring dream mean? It's so vivid and emotionally powerful, my psychiatrist told me that I am subconsciously repressing something.... and that during sleep, certain emotions or unresolved conflict/distress surfaces. I can elaborate on my dream more.... but it's very fucked up.

Why do I get a thrill from putting people on the spot, being confrontational, making people feel sheepish, calling people out in front of others, etc. just for their reaction?

cherryblossomsinspring
06-21-2012, 04:13 AM
^ You know in the last 4 years I've met a shit ton of colorblind individuals. Now they didn't say they couldn't see colors but red would appear to them as maybe a bright orange or blue would appear purple or violet. I always thought this was quite interesting.

All Good Things
06-21-2012, 03:42 PM
Is it possible that my perception is not the same as others'? So, how I perceive the color red may look like a completely different color to somebody else? There would be absolutely no way of finding out, because each of us would grow up assigning that perception to "Red" with no way to describe it to an outsider.

Yes, that’s right. It’s just the cognitive perception that we all agree is “red.”

Even in the narrowest sense, color perception is not solely about light frequency/wavelength or the detection mechanisms of the human eye, although I thought maximvuv’s version was entertaining. The objectivity of perception is a huge, enormous factor. The brain itself changes how light is perceived, for example, and the eyes respond to different colors depending on the intensity of light – this is why we see the moon as white at night instead of bluish – and social forces can limit and restrict how we see and classify color at all.

The social forces are huge – and never really discussed or cited in scientific discussions of color perception because you can't describe them quantitatively.

For example, I had this endless and crazily absurd debate with my best friend in high school for years about the colors used to describe things like the sky and the seas and the rivers in the Odyssey and Iliad, which are variously rendered in English as things like “wine-colored” or even “wine-dark,” which to me seemed like an odd description of the color of the sky at mid-day. In the original Ancient Greek, which we both had learned to read at the same time and which started the whole damn debate, these phrases were mnemonic devices – sort of like the alliterative “Pink Pillows of Pleasure” in English to describe breasts – and that was critical for the oral legends to survive and prosper over the centuries. His point was that the “wine-dark seas” were ONLY wine-dark because of that awesome and critically important rhyme – I thought it was because the Greeks were fucking crazy and possibly outright colorblind.

You can see that I was very sophisticated at age 15.

Anyway, I declared victory when I saw that wool was described as having “a purple hue.” (Crazy fuckers!)

Oh, and honey was “green.” WTF?

When stories appear in print, they take on this form of authority that causes otherwise intelligent people to jump through absurd hoops to try to explain reality in terms of those stories, like, for example, claiming that the pH of the seas was radically different then (no) or the wine itself was being diluted (yes, but no) and ancient Greek has no word for we today would call blue (yes, sort of, but not exactly).

A researcher later looked at the entire ancient canon – Greek, Roman, Chinese and Indian – and determined that in ancient times the light blue we see in the sky today is never used to describe the sky anywhere, in any writing, in any language, in any culture, anywhere.

It turns out some anthropologists also determined around this same time that pre-agriculture agrarian societies – even ones that exist today – don’t see light blue. Everything looks green to them, even the sky. They get “light blue” after you point it out to them. In fact, they start seeing blue everywhere.

So why is the sky blue (or green)?

It’s not just about nitrogen content. It’s all atmospheric gas molecules together – principally nitrogen and oxygen – as well as the trace gases, which collectively produce Rayleigh scattering of light.

And the fact that our eyes are preferentially sensitive to blue rather than violet.

If our eyes were more uniformly sensitive to the light spectrum, the sky would have eerie violet tinges everywhere. Then when your kid asked, “Why does the sky have eerie violet tinges everywhere?” you could say what all us parents sometimes think, which is “What planet are you from?” :)

Aurora_Sunset
06-21-2012, 03:49 PM
Is it possible that my perception is not the same as others'? So, how I perceive the color red may look like a completely different color to somebody else? There would be absolutely no way of finding out, because each of us would grow up assigning that perception to "Red" with no way to describe it to an outsider.


I think about this all the time!

Aurora_Sunset
06-21-2012, 03:51 PM
Is it possibly that right now, in my surreal life, that I am actually in a coma, or dreaming, or catatonic state, or any debilitating mental state, of which I may or may not be subconsciously aware, and at any moment I could snap out of it and wake up in a hospital bed, mental institution, floor of a church, alien planet, whereever, with me not knowing what the fuck is going on or where I am, have been waiting for me to awaken, and that this was all a "dream" or illusion.... ? Sometimes I feel like this is all not real but I am unable to accept reality, so this "reality" is almost like my defense mechanism, and when I'm strong enough I am going to wake up into my real life.

Have you ever seen the movie Waking Life? I think you would like it.

maximvsv
09-10-2012, 02:24 AM
I have so many questions...... off the top of my head though:

Is it possible that my perception is not the same as others'? So, how I perceive the color red may look like a completely different color to somebody else? There would be absolutely no way of finding out, because each of us would grow up assigning that perception to "Red" with no way to describe it to an outsider.

Is it possibly that right now, in my surreal life, that I am actually in a coma, or dreaming, or catatonic state, or any debilitating mental state, of which I may or may not be subconsciously aware, and at any moment I could snap out of it and wake up in a hospital bed, mental institution, floor of a church, alien planet, whereever, with me not knowing what the fuck is going on or where I am, have been waiting for me to awaken, and that this was all a "dream" or illusion.... ? Sometimes I feel like this is all not real but I am unable to accept reality, so this "reality" is almost like my defense mechanism, and when I'm strong enough I am going to wake up into my real life.

Since your brain is taking the optic nerve input and extrapolating from that information to provide the image you perceive, yes, it is possible that you would see red on something, the next person would also see red in the exact same spot on that thing, but if that next person suddenly got the nerve input and processing information from your brain, that next person could see it in your data stream as blue or green or violet. Depending on how the data was filtered, that person might even experience the same input as sound or smell.

Could this all be a dream or delusion? Sort of. If you ascribe or subscribe to Bertrand Russell's philosophy that existence is perception, you end up with two existential problems. If it is a delusion or dream and you wake up, since that was the perceived reality of the past, is it less real? Also, what if this is a universe populated by only one individual--me? Would your delusion or dream and waking even be real? On the other hand, if you are the only person in the whole universe, and all of the rest of us are not actually here or actually separate, living beings, then is the delusion actually any different from the waking part?

Anecdotal experience tells me that the delusion/coma/dream idea is not viable. When the brain is isolated from sensory input, it starts to distort the remembered information. Cars stretch. Animals talk. Colors appear and disappear. Eventually, you notice. From what I have seen of interviews with sociopaths is that they notice their absence of corresponding emotional responses to people, things and events. I have not had any experience with actual psychotics, but I am pretty sure that they notice that things are not real, too.


Is it possible that I am mentally retarded or schizophrenic, but completely unaware? Just living in my own blissful oblivion....

Possible, but unlikely. Especially the schizophrenic part, Schizophrenics get trapped in their obsessions.


What does my recurring dream mean? It's so vivid and emotionally powerful, my psychiatrist told me that I am subconsciously repressing something.... and that during sleep, certain emotions or unresolved conflict/distress surfaces. I can elaborate on my dream more.... but it's very fucked up.

Why do I get a thrill from putting people on the spot, being confrontational, making people feel sheepish, calling people out in front of others, etc. just for their reaction?

It is difficult for me to address people's dreams. I almost never remember mine, and what I do remember of them is odd. For instance, I have had dreams where color was only temporary, if present at all. I have had three dreams where I remember feeling myself touch another person or object. So, that sort of context colors my understanding of them.

Even recurring dreams do not have to actually "mean" anything. The way an autistic person has to travel a particular path of action or thought to reach the decision to open the bedroom door in the morning, your dream may be the path of thought your brain has to travel in order to get through that sleep cycle at that hour and in that physical sleeping position.

maximvsv
09-10-2012, 02:34 AM
When stories appear in print, they take on this form of authority that causes otherwise intelligent people to jump through absurd hoops to try to explain reality in terms of those stories, like, for example, claiming that the pH of the seas was radically different then (no) or the wine itself was being diluted (yes, but no) and ancient Greek has no word for we today would call blue (yes, sort of, but not exactly).

A researcher later looked at the entire ancient canon – Greek, Roman, Chinese and Indian – and determined that in ancient times the light blue we see in the sky today is never used to describe the sky anywhere, in any writing, in any language, in any culture, anywhere.

It turns out some anthropologists also determined around this same time that pre-agriculture agrarian societies – even ones that exist today – don’t see light blue. Everything looks green to them, even the sky. They get “light blue” after you point it out to them. In fact, they start seeing blue everywhere.

Where do I find the anthropology info?

msincredible01
09-10-2012, 04:56 AM
After careful deliberation, I've concluded that a blow job is called a blow job because they blow their load all over you.

...and what a job it is to clean it up.

msincredible01
09-10-2012, 04:58 AM
After careful deliberation, I've concluded that a blow job is called a blow job because they blow their load all over you.

...and what a job it is to clean it up. :D

ArmySGT.
09-10-2012, 07:24 AM
What would bring greater satisfaction? A child sleeping in your lap, warm, fed, and totally cared for, or the adulation of the crowd? The roaring masses as you achieve success in some difficult feat.

Flickdreams
09-10-2012, 07:31 AM
Since your brain is taking the optic nerve input and extrapolating from that information to provide the image you perceive, yes, it is possible that you would see red on something, the next person would also see red in the exact same spot on that thing, but if that next person suddenly got the nerve input and processing information from your brain, that next person could see it in your data stream as blue or green or violet. Depending on how the data was filtered, that person might even experience the same input as sound or smell.


That was my first thought.

ArmySGT.
09-10-2012, 08:29 AM
If there is only 32 original plots, where does each seasons tv drama come from?

maximvsv
09-10-2012, 02:09 PM
If there is only 32 original plots, where does each seasons tv drama come from?

If you want the literal answer, it comes from the way that the script is played out by the actors for the cameras, and even then, only to the extent that you attribute it to the performance that you see. There is a different kind of drama in every retelling of Hamlet--including an absence of drama in a poor performance.