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MinahSky
08-20-2005, 01:15 AM
Pure, the point is that it is assumed when you're black that you listen to rap music. It's like telling the white men that you speak of that they should be listening to classical...
Understood Minah... my comment was more in response to West TX saying that "sisters" don't have the common sense to play music that caters to white men. Usually that type of music is rap.
MinahSky
08-21-2005, 09:05 PM
Sorry if I misunderstood. I just hate all the racial crap...
Nikki300
09-04-2005, 12:33 AM
After several long year of dancing full-time and part-time, I am working at club where for once I am not the only black girl or one of few. I get along with pretty much everyone in the club and make pretty good money but the black girls who came from clubs with more black customers sometimes struggle. They value the advice I give them because they know I'm not concerned with competing with them (I'll make my money anyway) so here is my two cents:
1. Learn to be versatile
2. Realize that there are men from all kinds of ethnic backgrounds in the club and get to about them, you'll seem alot more cultured.
3. Know about what is going on in the world and be prepared to have a conversation about just about anything.
4. Don't bring drama and hate on the floor (this what is expected of a black woman); instantly you are seen as having a bad attitude and it is not as easily forgiven as if you are white.
5. Demand what I call 'cultural respect' from customers of another ethnicity. Let them know that pretending to know ebonics and rapping along with 50cent is not necessary to impress you. You are being yourself and so should they.
6. Do things to bring attention to yourself. Mix up your music a little. I constantly leave my music to the mercy of the DJ and almost every stage set yields someone who likes me and my song (even I don't know what the hell I just danced to)
7. Wear clothes that are flattering to your body. Remember you are competing against barbiedoll looking chicks who look good 'just because'.
8. Last but not least, SMILE, SMILE, SMILE. Black women are always assumed to be angry and mad all the time. Crush that myth and be happy go lucky just like that blonde making money next to you.
SBM4Latinaz
09-05-2005, 03:00 PM
Well as far as I go its all about how I'm treated .
the pics below are of black dancers I find attractive .
now this might not be you , but many black dancers tend to come at me like I'm a walking ATM machine .
or they ignore me if I want to talk to you before spending my money , then give me looks when some latina , asian or ucranian leaves with a few hundred from my table AFTER she took the time to talk to me and give me hella good dance .
but one of my fav's that used to dance at hardbodies in arlington was a sista , but she left and went to showtime then i lost track. she was a super hot yella bone .
Polo Girl
09-05-2005, 04:31 PM
1. Learn to be versatile
2. Realize that there are men from all kinds of ethnic backgrounds in the club and get to about them, you'll seem alot more cultured.
3. Know about what is going on in the world and be prepared to have a conversation about just about anything.
4. Don't bring drama and hate on the floor (this what is expected of a black woman); instantly you are seen as having a bad attitude and it is not as easily forgiven as if you are white.
5. Demand what I call 'cultural respect' from customers of another ethnicity. Let them know that pretending to know ebonics and rapping along with 50cent is not necessary to impress you. You are being yourself and so should they.
6. Do things to bring attention to yourself. Mix up your music a little. I constantly leave my music to the mercy of the DJ and almost every stage set yields someone who likes me and my song (even I don't know what the hell I just danced to)
7. Wear clothes that are flattering to your body. Remember you are competing against barbiedoll looking chicks who look good 'just because'.
8. Last but not least, SMILE, SMILE, SMILE. Black women are always assumed to be angry and mad all the time. Crush that myth and be happy go lucky just like that blonde making money next to you.
Nikki THIS is sooo true... I also read that if you have dark skin it helps to wear briter colors like white or anything neon....
I also liked what you said about them being themselves... I love everything from Acoustic Alchemy to 50 Cent. But guys dont have to pretend to know ebonics for me to like them.
So good advice!!!!!!!!!!!!
xoxoxo
Polo Girl
Nikki300
09-06-2005, 10:16 PM
Yes Polo Girl,
You see I am dark-skinned so I wear tons of White, Hot pink and outfits that glow in the black lights. Can't believe I forgot that one, but most people know that trick.
exotica17
09-06-2005, 11:50 PM
Wow, that girl SBM posted is beautiful. She reminds me of...me.:)
Amethyst
09-07-2005, 04:23 AM
3. Know about what is going on in the world and be prepared to have a conversation about just about anything.
8. Last but not least, SMILE, SMILE, SMILE. Black women are always assumed to be angry and mad all the time. Crush that myth and be happy go lucky just like that blonde making money next to you.
Welcome to the board!! These two are great pieces of advice.
FoxyRoxIt
09-08-2005, 12:29 AM
I work in a mostly white club in nyc, and i have no problem making good money. I think how you speak and carry yourself makes a huge difference, also I think it matters a lot less if you're black or white, and more of if you're hot or not...I've had a lot of customers tell me that they usually don't go for black girls, but that they like me cause I'm pretty. I think a lot of white guys like the whole "exotic thing"...also I'm from the carribean, and guys seem to like that a lot for some reason. I've never had problems making money in other clubs or even other states, I think as long as you're good looking, well spoken and have a nice body noone should give you any problems. Also, I'm not light skinned, I don't wear contacts and I don't have a light weave. My hairs in braids and I keep my look pretty natural. People say I look exotic but not mixed, I dunno....I'm attaching pics. Be warned, this is a pic of me in the house with no makeup....not strippermode lol.
FoxyRoxIt
09-08-2005, 12:32 AM
Forgot to mention, being "exotic" isn't enough. Doing something to make yourself stand out always helps. For instance I'm always one of the only girls to dance to metal...and I make it a point to be one of the best dancers. It's a money maker when guys see a black chick dancing her ass of to Metallica's For Whom The Bell Tolls
FoxyRoxIt
09-08-2005, 12:33 AM
Forgot to mention, just being "exotic" isn't enough. Doing something to make yourself stand out always helps. For instance I'm always one of the only girls to dance to metal...and I make it a point to be one of the best dancers. It's a money maker when guys see a black chick dancing her ass of to Metallica's For Whom The Bell Tolls
Malibu
09-08-2005, 08:33 AM
^^ Foxy, you are gorgeous!!
alleycat
09-16-2005, 12:32 PM
Hi Tina when you say LA do you mean Los Angeles or Louisiana? Because I am an african american women thinking of dancing in Louisiana.
SexySonya
10-09-2005, 10:43 PM
Well I live in Minnesota and here it is a little conservative I was born here and I am a black girl( I have to tan a little to be these beautiful shade of brown but well worth it) I will tell you like this, somehow you have got to work this program don't let the program work you. There are some black dancers native to Moneysota that know we can get paid (That is where the Moneysota comes into to play) The only black girls here that don't make money, are the ones that weren't born and raised here. We know how to talk customers out of their wallets and all entertainers should know that, women have game, no matter what color you are. Most black girls get an attitude when someone says no, but rejection should make you want to hustle harder. It works for me. And remember, Alot of white men see women as VERY exotic, Implement somewhere in your hustle presentation, a smile and a good attitude, wins them over every single time!
cinammonkisses
10-10-2005, 07:24 AM
Welcome to SW SexySonya!
threlayer
10-13-2005, 01:37 PM
Beautiful black dancers get a lot of attention at clubs in my experience. Less than beautiful ones get a lot less attention in clubs I'm familiar with; of course those are the majority. Seems like a supply-demand thing to me.
Essentially I agree with Tina -
"The caucasian standard of beauty prevails in this country, and if a black girl has a more afrocentric look, dancing will not be kind to her."
Sinnamon
10-14-2005, 02:23 AM
What is a more afrocantric look, can somebody please explain that to me. Having a long straight light colores weave dosen't mean more white looking. Black women from all over the world have all different type of looks including long straight hair. We all know certain looks are not appropriate in the club just like the corp. environment has a "dress code". that has nothing to do with being white. Another thing, if you think that white women are the "standard" just because they're white, you've already shot yourself in the foot.
cinammonkisses
10-14-2005, 10:46 AM
We all know certain looks are not appropriate in the club just like the corp. environment has a "dress code". that has nothing to do with being white. Another thing, if you think that white women are the "standard" just because they're white, you've already shot yourself in the foot.
1. What is afrocentric? :
http://www.afrocentric.info/AfricanCentered/Definitions.html
Sinammon,
Ok, you say that, "We all know certain looks are not appropriate in the club just like the corp. environment has a "dress code" What is exactly do you mean by "appropriate" What one may look at as extreme, one could argue that it is creative and fresh. Why are "certain looks" not appropriate in the club..and what looks exactly are these?
Not to get to deep here, but historically, being a white woman was the #1 true standard of what a BEAUTY is. To be blonde haired and blue eyed was the thing to possess. From white brunettes, to black women, to asian women.
*You have black women who are frowned upon for not getting their relaxer every 6 weeks. <sarcasm> Can let them naps get outta control <sarcasm> If you were to walk around with your hair all out, in a natural afro, how many people (white or black etc) would actually stop and compliment you?
*You have women of colour who wish so bad to "pass" in this society. The lighter you are, the easier it is for you. There have even been studies to say that the lighter skinned you are, the more trustworthy you are...WHITE=purity while BLACK=evil/darkness.
*You have asian women who are getting injections into their eyes to make them appear less exotic and more in the lines of the standard "white american beauty" You have them getting implants into their faces to make their high-cheekbones none-existant, and making their faces more fuller and round.
We live in a society everyday that tells you that long flowing hair is BEAUTIFUL and stylish. That perfect straight nose, and small pouty mouth are beautiful, whereas that full mouth and thick lips are not beautiful. That natural coil in our hair is "nappy" and "unmanageable". Why do you think relaxers and the hot comb where invented anyway? Society has created this image of what beauty is...you have to look deep within yourself to figure out if this is the image that you want to portray, or if you want to break the mold.
Sinnamon
10-15-2005, 12:19 AM
Maybe "appropriate" wasn't the best word because it didnt explain what I'm talking about. In the club, you have to find a hairstyle thats stylish but also appeals to customers.Thats what I mean by appropriate. A types of looks, including an well groomed afro, super short haircuts ect. can work if it fits you. But if it locks, braids whatever thats not working for you then you need to change it. The problem comes when some but not all black dancers feel they have to look more "white" in order to make money.
As far as this whole "white standard of beauty thing" I think black folks have blown it way out of porportion, blacks and other people of color gave it power. The blame has been put on white people for a lot of blacks not feeling good about ourselves when it is really our own fault for not prasing our own people,not prasing your own beautiful looks. Society knows were beautiful women wether they admit or not, that "standard" was label used to intimidate the weak. Too much attention is focused on what white people think about us and it is really uneccessary. That is where all this junk came from.
And Cinnamon, I hope you ain't buying into all this bullshit because you are a very beautiful woman, there is no reason for you to try to break the mold cause you got the goods already, anybody who says otherwise is probably jealous.
cinammonkisses
10-15-2005, 07:37 AM
And Cinnamon, I hope you ain't buying into all this bullshit because you are a very beautiful woman, there is no reason for you to try to break the mold cause you got the goods already, anybody who says otherwise is probably jealous.
Ha, no not at all darlin'. Actually I'm soooooooo far from that! I am actually trained to talk to people (majority middle school on up) about the effects of eating disorders and body image. I speak from what from I have experienced, and from how I was trained. Anyway, thank you for the compliment. That was a very nice thing to say.
Sinnamon
10-15-2005, 11:46 PM
You're welcome:)
sorrow
10-19-2005, 05:20 AM
YOU ARE IN LA AND THEY ARE ACTING LIKE THAT (smacks myself)
Ok...that is more like the way they act on the east coast. Wait a minute..I thought LA was...california was..the land of the 'beautiful' people where they accepted everyone. Do you have to look like a god damned barbie doll to get money there, too?
(nothing against barbie doll chics...)
cindythebellydancer
10-19-2005, 10:46 AM
because f*cking clubs are racist...sorry i just spased there
Gabriela
12-12-2005, 02:32 AM
Girl, we just haven't bridged the gap from "taboo" and or ignorant to "exotic" yet like Asians and Latinas. You know the type of racism we experience is unique to our race. It's just something we have to deal with until the whole "ghetto chick" BS gets old. But that won't be anytime soon. Until then I would say stay at a club near the city. People are almost always more approving of diversity.
detroitdiva22
12-12-2005, 11:55 AM
It is hard being blac, and its even harder when you don't weigh 100lbs. I think that your attitude asnd your personality as alot to do with it. I've seen so many posts like this, and that means there is a real racial issue in America, especially when it comes to black women. We are always at the bottom of the totem pole as sexy beings. I think that it is the total opposite, of course. But what I mean by that is a white man would accept a dance from an Asian, Indian, or even a Latina before he takes one form a black girl. I am 100% African. Both of my parents come form African and they speak Swahili and French. I use to be so embarrased, but now I embrace my culture and play upon my heritage. I have an accent, and I use it well. I wear my hair wild and curly or sometimes straight and long or in a ponytail. The customers either like me or they don't. So my advice to you is don't get upset, get even. Become the best mixed girl in the club. Be extra nice, smile, be sexy, wear pretty makeup and exotic outfits. Let the customers know that you're not some "average" black girl and that you're different. Most customer go off of what they see on tv, and it can be frustrating for classy black women. You'll do fine too if you get out of that racist ass club. That could hurt anybody's morale. I wish you much sucess. And LA, is a great place to make money. I'll be back in LA to do some photo shoots, so I know it's mad bank out there to be made.
DutchezzBlayzze
12-12-2005, 02:16 PM
I agree with a lot of the points made in this thread including finding ways to make yourself stand out. I myself have yet to have try any of them as of yet because I'm not quite in the physical condition I would like to be in. But from my experiences so far trying to get excepted into upscale clubs has been just one disappointment after another. I've tried Hustler, Privilege bout 4 times, PEC, and the only places I've been able to get excepted at were more low budget except for one and that was Sin City in the Bronx. I was excepted to dance in The Pussy cat Lounge in Lower Manhattan which is more so a bikin bar with a stage not vip rooms or lapdances. Sweet Cherries in Brooklyn which is a nother little neighborhood club. It was quite trashy in there. Me and my step sister started to work there but we never went back because of all the drama we read about that club Violence mainly. On top that the manager let one of the bouncers have my cell phone number and he kept calling me & my sister asking if we wanted to basically go on dates and prostitute ourselves.
Needless to say he got cursed out everytime he called and I eventually changed service altogether on my phone. I don't feel I should settle for less and I don't feel like I need to totally change myself for anyone because I can be very classy and I think I'm beautiful and I hear it a lot from other men. I know there is a time and place for everything and I don't dress like these "hoodrat" young silly girls I've grown up around. I know how to speak to others, hell English was my best subject & I pride myself in making it out of the statistic nature most of the females in my family haven't gotten out of. I'm the person my fathers side of the family to go to college and I'm proud that I'm 22 and have yet to become preganant unlike most of the females in my family.
SO I have pride in myself and have come a long way and I'm not letting the so-called standards of these fake-ass managers ruin my self esteem. All women are beautiful to me and only you can decide if you're really going to be an ugly person:D But by all means ladies do what you need to do in order to differentiate yourselves from the competiton and don't give up no matter how what club rejects you. Sorry It was so long Ladies!!;D
achick
12-12-2005, 04:05 PM
I agree with a lot of points that were posted on this thread. When I did technical support for 4 years (thanks to stripping to pay for the computer classes!!), I spoke to hundreds of people in the company and all over the world. When office workers first met me after speaking to me on the phone, they just never thought that I would be black. My mom had a penchant for good grammar and we were punished if we didn't project ourselves with manners and spoke properly. I am fluent in french and I speak enough japanese that people think I am fluent. When I went to Japan last year, I got so much stuff for free in restaurants and stores because most japanese people have never seen a 5'10" black american who speaks japanese so well! I mention that I speak french, I used to run over the other girls for the french, swiss and dutch customers because I knew I could snag them with my french. This is a part of me that I didn't think would make much money, but when some russian guy tipped me $400 for one dance because he spoke french and deals with dutch businessman, I thank God for that extra year of french in high school and all the other years in college.
Find something that you like that is universal, like language or music and just run with that. I am all about Kanye West, but if I am at a bar and someone plays Led Zeppelin, I will be in heaven. Try dancing to different music as well. I am not sure about what hairstyle is best. I have had a weave and braids and there really is no difference. Now I just cut it when I want to with no extensions. I was tired of the itching associated with extensions.
I guess just strut your stuff and be the best you that you can. Take the good and the bad every night. Be positive, go up to every customer, and be approachable. I think your smile is the best accessory, but yes, bright colors (I look great in white) look best on dark skin and draw attention. I have attached a pic of me on my 33rd birthday. I am wearing a white top and trust me, not only did I drink for free that night, I drank for free for several days after!!! Let me know what you think and if I should get carded!!
BrunetteGoddess
12-12-2005, 04:08 PM
I find even being a white female is difficult in some places. Biggest case in point- I live in Tucson, not very far from the border of Mexico. Thus I have quite a few Hispanic/ Latino men come in and are drawn to the hispanic.latina women dancers in our club and stay with them all night. So I guess it depends on the area you live in. I have to say I sometimes wish I was a Latina, or also an african american female, those women sometimes don't know how gorgeous they are and how many white girls are jealous of THEM. So it goes both ways ;)
DutchezzBlayzze
12-12-2005, 08:46 PM
Hello AChick I know a bit of french myself from high school also but my thing is I can't remember all of it. I need to personally brush up on it. I think it's beautiful that you know 2 other languages other than english, especially Japanese ;)
MulattoKitten
12-13-2005, 10:06 AM
Sorry, New person here, but yes...Reddish Brown is a really cute, sexy hair color.
I guess, it is slightly sad that society in general accepts lighter skinned black girls, but like some of you were saying:
Men like a lot of different things. Not all men like white girls, just as all men don't like black girls.
Star_bare_elegance
12-13-2005, 01:26 PM
Last night I put aside my "troubles" with being dark skinned..... I felt sexy and confident ALLLL night and it worked. I didn't make what some of the other girls made in dances but I did great by my own standard. I had a wonderful time dancing and recieved great tips on stage. I also watched 2 other black women (lighter than me) mope in the corner all night and make nooo dances (like I usually do). I think a lot of times its all in your head. SURE there are guys who prefer non-black girls..... I AM NOT AT THE CLUB FOR THEM. I'm there to entertain those that want me to do so and there are plenty that do!!!!!!!!!!!!
TigersMilk
12-13-2005, 01:56 PM
^^ Good to see you took a positive route this time...and poof it paid off for you. Ive never even been out of CA except vegas but that doesnt count to see what its like for other people of color and how they are treated. Im so much more confortable in my own skin literally b/c I choose to not let my browness effect my earnings. Good for you for doing the same.
Star_bare_elegance
12-13-2005, 03:44 PM
^^^^:-) Your encouragement helped a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!^^^^
Thank you :-)
achick
12-13-2005, 05:45 PM
DutchezzBlayzze - merci pour votre patronnage or even domo arigato gozaimasu, I mean, thanks for your support!!
Star_bare - in with the good, out with the bad!! always keep a positive spin on things, darlin'.
cinammonkisses
12-14-2005, 12:20 PM
Last night I put aside my "troubles" with being dark skinned..... I felt sexy and confident ALLLL night and it worked.....
SURE there are guys who prefer non-black girls..... I AM NOT AT THE CLUB FOR THEM. I'm there to entertain those that want me to do so and there are plenty that do!!!!!!!!!!!!
I went into work after a 4day absence with a much needed positive attitude. I hit the floor, talked to guys all night. Never once did I go back to the back to bitch and moan like the other girls.
Every man has his prefernce, I've been saying that since I started. Last night I had a 2 men who went absolutely ga-ga over me. ;D Calling me a goddess, turning their nose up to ALL the other girls just to get dances from me. Trust me it was a much needed ego boost.
dee 1
03-15-2006, 12:13 PM
hi i'm dee 1 and i'm mixed but have black features,it is a little harder at some club for women of colour , even more so in canada as poeple are quite racist not so in your face which to me is worst.i been in clubs where they will except me because i'm very light, but refuse very attactive darker black dancers or overheard costomers make fun off them . than sometimes you get the few costomerwho just love off the black dancers and they usually spend big money on them.
MonicaF
03-17-2006, 03:33 PM
I think you're too focused on being black. I'm 100% and I'm a very successful dancer/model. Most of my clients are white, very few are black. If you're not comfortable with your race where you work - try a different club/enviroment.
miabella
03-17-2006, 03:45 PM
one cannot help but be 'too focused' on being black when customers expect you to provide higher contact/extras (and at a cheaper rate, no less) just because 'that's what black girls do anyhow'. believe me, it can be nerve-wracking to deal with that kind of mindset again and again and again. it's not the dancers who are 'too focused', it's the customers.
cinammonkisses
03-17-2006, 04:56 PM
I think you're too focused on being black. I'm 100% and I'm a very successful dancer/model. Most of my clients are white, very few are black. If you're not comfortable with your race where you work - try a different club/enviroment.
I agree with MiaBella, Monica I feel what you're sayin in it's entirety BUT that just isn't the case all the time. No matter how sexy, beautiful, well spoken you are...you are still "THE BLACK DANCER"
You know as a woman of color, we always have to have our shit 10x tighter than our white sisters and sometimes we still don't get the credit that is due. Hell, at my club I'm the only black dancer. I think I have a nice face, body, personality, I keep my hair, nails, wardrobe sharp and together. I come to work with a smile on my face EVERYTIME I work. Yet, that still does not stop girls who are half as cute, 10-15lbs heavier, hair in a ponytail, non-matching wardrobe who still get dances, and sometimes still make more than I do.
Whether you are dancing in a club, or workin in a white collar industry, you have no choice but to be focused as "BLACK" For some people, that is the first thing they see. Not everyone, but majority of.
secondtimearound
03-18-2006, 06:17 PM
I agree with Cinammon and Mia.
It's hard to not focus on being Black when you quickly learn that a good majority of men won't even look your way because of the color of your skin. Yet they'll clamor for dances from women of all other ethnicities, even women who you wonder how they got hired on in the first place. It is the customers who see you as a "Black dancer", and it gets hard sometimes to not start viewing yourself through their eyes in this regard.
When I started looking for jobs at predominately white clubs, I thought that getting hired was the only hurdle I had to get through, although both men and women of different races told me I should get hired right on the spot. But I already knew that they didn't hire many Black girls to begin with, attractive or not. I got hired on TMC, Michael's, Treasures, turned down at Rick's (made the mistake of going with a Black dancer friend of mine to get hired at the same time), and got a "we're not hiring right now" at the Colorado, although they let me and a white girl fill out applications there to be contacted later on. Since I was working a full time job I couldn't do the 3 night minimum that some clubs had, plus I had been told good things about Treasure's from a girl who worked there, and it seemed like a friendlier place, so I went with them.
It didn't take me long to find out that there was more to overcome than getting hired. Although some White men were receptive to me, a lot wouldn't even look me in the eye when I walked by or turned their heads, some were very cold when I sat down to talk to them, some who sat around the stage tipping other girls would leave when I came on stage. I couldn't even come to expect that a lot of Black men would buy dances because most went to these clubs specifically for White women. It makes the whole place seem very intimidating, I stopped approaching people like I should, thus made less money, and I stopped dancing there as often and went back to my Black nude club. I didn't try any of the other clubs again because I thought I would run into the same problem.
I'm down South in Houston, Texas, and although my city is very racially diverse, it is very segregated. I haven't danced in about 4-5 years, but I'm thinking about starting again soon and I hope that the climate has changed for the better, even if just a bit. I'll also try to be more aggressive in my hustle and see if I have a better experience this time.
kiarah
03-22-2006, 04:55 AM
Im a manager of a Lap Dance Club in Greece and I take on all diffirenet nationalities and the black girls do really really well! x
Miaterria
03-22-2006, 08:26 AM
Wow i've fairly new to stripping. But i've worked at two clubs and i have to agree that it's harder for color women to make money. The first club i worked at was an all black club. The guys i talked to and try to hustle said that i sounded way to smart to be working at a stripclub so that worked against me. And i didn't do all that bootyclapping either because im not into all that. They try to make you work hard for a dollar. So i figure since im the preppy type i belong at a white club. That didn't go so well either. Usually the guys come in there for white and asian girls. There's only a handful of black girls there and it was hard for us to make money. There's not many stripclubs in chicago. I've always been told that i look like a black barbie so i don't understand why i can't bank when i see so many white girls banking and that aren't half as attractive. So this is a tough business for women of color but i haven't given up yet.
cinammonkisses
03-22-2006, 08:35 AM
There's only a handful of black girls there and it was hard for us to make money.
My suggestion, work when the other black dancers don't. When I started at my club, there was only 1 other black dancer. I was her "competition" lol let her tell it. Anyways, I think when you are the minority in a club you should use it to your best advantage.
I've noticed that for myself, "I" can't just walk up to a customer and go "wanna dance" like my white counterparts. I have to sit, socialize a bit and then ask for the dance. For the most part, I get the dance, or maybe even a VIP ;)
I read in one of your previous posts that you wanted to know what to say to customers because they won't buy a dance from you...you need to read hustle hut. There are also sales books that some of the dancers of SW have read and SWEAR by!
Good luck,
CK
Amethyst
03-22-2006, 11:13 AM
Miaterra, you really don't need to be the ONLY Black dancer there. You just need to stand out, be different, and aim to be the best dancer PERIOD. When you're at the club, you are competition for ALL dancers, so don't rely only on your skin color to set you apart from the rest. Come up with an angle. Are the other Black dancers doing pole work? Do unbelievable floor work! Are the other Black dancers dancing to R&B/Hip-Hop? Do rock, or emo, or country (throw on some daisy dukes and put two ponytails in your hair). Go dominatrix, or with another theme.
If someone says you are too smart, dumb it down for those idiots and smart it up for those who are looking for intelligent conversation to go along with your hot body and pretty face :)
There are only 3-4 "Black" (two of us are mixed race but for the sake of discussion, we're gonna be Black!) dancers at my club, and most nights I am the only one, but being the only Black dancer does NOT guarantee an increase in my income. Nor does my income decrease when I'm not the only one. Heck, there are nights when all of us are there and we all make money because we are so different from one another. My skin color may help me with a sale, but my angle, my sales skills, and the fact that I am one sexy MF ( :D ) are what get me paid and set me apart from ALL the other dancers. The same could be said for White, Latina, and Asian dancers, as to why some White/Latina/Asian dancers make more money than other White/Latina/Asian dancers. I'm not denying that it's hard and that there aren't racist clubs/customers out there, but we all have to learn to deal with it because it is the same in the civilian world.
Amethyst and Cinnamon Kisses are right. I work in clubs where I am the only black girl or one of a few.
A lot depends on the club too. Selling skills are key. As CK said some small conversation is needed to sell most of these guys. The Dancer Wealth seminar teaches you what to say to build rapport with a customer. You really need to learn what to say to these guys. Once you do, as CK and I have done through the course, you should be able to see your dance sales in the top 25% of all dancers you are working with. Of course on some nights the clientele is better than others and that can affect your bottom line.
In some clubs white dancers build rapport with their looks, and an equally attractive black girl can't do that because the racial bond is lacking.
In most black clubs, the clientele sees paying a woman money for a dance as being submissive, and most of the black guys who go to those types of clubs are trying to run game on the dancers.
On the other hand, older black and hispanic men tend to be good customers.
Another key issue is getting hired in "white" clubs where they only want to see a token amount of blacks. You've got to be FORCEFUL and PERSISTENT to get in the door.
I actually prefer a high momentum mixed race club where guys are programmed to buy dances and tip on stage. The money flows well there, and as we all know, we live in a monkey see monkey do world. If guys see dances being sold all around them on the floor, the will most likely want to buy one too. If no one else is getting dances, they won't want to be the only one getting a dance.
PleasureVictim
05-18-2006, 12:59 PM
Wow i've fairly new to stripping. But i've worked at two clubs and i have to agree that it's harder for color women to make money. The first club i worked at was an all black club. The guys i talked to and try to hustle said that i sounded way to smart to be working at a stripclub so that worked against me. And i didn't do all that bootyclapping either because im not into all that. They try to make you work hard for a dollar. So i figure since im the preppy type i belong at a white club. That didn't go so well either. Usually the guys come in there for white and asian girls. There's only a handful of black girls there and it was hard for us to make money. There's not many stripclubs in chicago. I've always been told that i look like a black barbie so i don't understand why i can't bank when i see so many white girls banking and that aren't half as attractive. So this is a tough business for women of color but i haven't given up yet.
I feel you MiaTerria. Being 1 of 2 women of color at my club doesn't help very much. I am new, so I'm not expecting to make the amount of money that other dancers do...but I can't survive waiting for white guys who love black women to come in and spend money on me. It's waaayyyy too sporadic.
I have one of the best bodies there, with no butt/thighs full of cellulite like a few of my coworkers. I work hard on the stage- actually dancing and not just posing and still for hours at a time I'll rarely get tipped.
I became disappointed in myself because I am beginning to let it affect my self-esteem and I really don't want that. Black guys come in and they tip and act just fine most of the time. But the club is so boring 90% of the time they just turn around and leave. There have been discouraging remarks in regards to hip-hop clubs on SW, but I'm gonna go ahead and give it a shot sometime next month.
cinammonkisses
05-18-2006, 01:13 PM
I feel you MiaTerria. Being 1 of 2 women of color at my club doesn't help very much. I am new, so I'm not expecting to make the amount of money that other dancers do...but I can't survive waiting for white guys who love black women to come in and spend money on me. It's waaayyyy too sporadic.
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OMG somebody FEELS me ;D
It does get so frustrating. You can have the best sales skills in the world, but if they aren't feeling you, they aren't going to spend on you. I am one of the prettiest girls (not trying to sound conceited or snobby here) and I try to be friendly, smile, hustle everyone. They'll turn me down with a "no thanks" in a heartbeat but the next sloppy chick who walks by they'll get a dance from.
But on a positive note, when you do get those guys who come into the club and just worship you, it really does make my night. I wish I could get more customers in my club, and I was their "type" oh that would make my night a whole lot stress-free.
hot4ablackchick
05-20-2006, 02:16 PM
I'm new to this site and I have to agree to a lot of the advice from the other girls. I am black and I work in Ohio and I am usually the only black girl working, so the club I work at is really white. We get other black girls every now and then but most move on very quickly. It is difficult for black girls at my club to earn $. I have been dancing at the club for three years now and I agree that it is going to be a bit harder for you to make money because you are black despite your looks. Don't get me wrong: ANYONE can make money if they have the right hustle, but you are going to have to either step up your game or find a club that is more open to black women. I dont have a hair weave (my hair is naturally pretty long), I am slender You may want to make sure your weight is correct, a lot of white men don't want "thick" women especially a thick black woman. Check your music, don't get too ghetto, I dance and always have danced to rock, but that happens to be what I like and you should dance to music you like but Don't get too ghetto!! Do you smile a lot?? If not, do it on and off stage. Remember, a lot of the white customers may not have seen a black woman naked other than TV, pictures, etc., so it may be awkward for them. I've heard everything at my job (Where do you think I got Hot 4 a black chick) People will say rude things to you without realizing it so hang in there!!! You will have to be friendlier and more approachable than white dancers SAD BUT TRUE!!!! They are right: Dont Use Any Slang!!! Even if other white entertainers are you should not!! Many white customers at my club already have a stereotype of black women so try not to portray any of those; like ghetto, lazy, mean, stupid, whatever. Keep yourself busy!! If you are sitting alone by yourself that is not desirable, look busy and wanted by mingling with everyone, try to smile and introduce yourself to every man in there - Kill them with kindness You have to sit and mingle with the customers most of the time. Go around the room and introduce yourself (with that smile), Say hi, your name, and ask how he is doing, THEN ask if he would like to join you for a private dance, If he says no politely smile and say you will check back later, Repeat on every guy in the room and if you fail to get a dance then sit with the guy who was friendliest or seemed the most interested, Don't sit too long!!! Just two or three songs or less if the room is busy!!! Time management is crucial. If the room is very slow you may want to talk to a guy for a few minutes before asking for the dance. Try to use your ethnicity as your strenghth, and know that some men will be initimidated, and overlook the dumb comments. I've heard them all from, "you must be mixed you are too pretty too be black!" and things far worse. They may not mean to be cruel, but do not have experience with black people (Or naked black women for that matter) You will have to sell yourself a little harder than the other girls on most nights, depending on the clientelle. Just remember to stay friendly, positive, and CLASSY, and your earnings will INCREASE!! Sorry so long and good luck!!
Star_bare_elegance
05-21-2006, 12:45 PM
LOL I work at a hip hop club and it's great for me... I make consistent good money and there is not stress to make enough to feed the greedy "upscale" club manager their 50+% cut and go home lol. My club takes $30 day and $45 night and that's it. I will never work at a "upscale" club again.
Look at it this way let us look at 10 dances in my hip hop club and 10 dances at my old upscale club Bare Elegance (sorry in advance for the format)
HIP HOP CLUB
10
x $15
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150
-30- bar fee that is easily made on stage
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$ 120
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BARE ELEGANCE
10
x 20
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200
- 100 - $10 per $20 dance fee
- 10 - DJ fee
- 5 - parking/ walk u to your car fee
- 22.50 - bartender/ waitress fee .75 cents per dance x 3 lazy :-X folks
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$62.50 - IM RICH
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