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Optimist
02-22-2007, 11:54 AM
No,no. Equal Opportunity Tipper! :)
vidadiva
02-22-2007, 11:55 AM
Here's the thing, there is nothing we can do to change the opinion of others. We can only change how we react to situations. I can think of many times where men have told me they don't get dances from black women, am I going to let this bother me? fuck no!! I refuse to let ignorance get to me because it's not worth the effort. What do I do? I simply move on to the next customer and refuse to take it personally. People have opinions whether they are right/wrong supportive/oppressive and there's nothing we can do about it. The only thing we can do is work on ourselves (mentally/spiritually/physically) so that the person we present to the world is one of strength, love and compassion. I don't hate the racist, I love him because like everyone in this world, he is part of a greater whole. He is living in fear and lacks the ability to feel and express love. I refuse to let his actions determine how I feel or my ability to be successful.
Lexxe, what you said gave me a warm feeling inside because you're right. All it does is encourage me to work harder on myself after I'm over the initial hurt.
hot4ablackchick
02-22-2007, 12:11 PM
Racism!!, point blank & phucking period>:( (I know it was rhetorical, lol)
Don't make me start talking about the Walmart granny panty wearin bitches who bank again!
Ha!!!!!! Yes girl!!! Anybody who thinks race doesn't play a part in selling dances is either stupid, delusional, naive, works "fairyland" club where race really doesn't matter, or a combo of both. When you are the only girl who does not get tipped onstage, even though you are a good performer, with a good body, pretty face, and keep a smile on your face then sorry, but its racism. It may not always be deliberate and intentional to hurt WOC, but it is still RACISM. I am not saying that a guy can't have a preference, but you can still tell if a gal is hot whether or not you prefer asians, whites, blacks, blondes, big boobs, small boobs, short/tall whatever. When attractive black females can't get the same crowd appeal or stage tips or whatever as someone else, then IMO there is prob. Even though the fat white girls or completely utterly busted ones wearing cheap wal mart lingerie, and girls that can't dance worth a shit, hardly ever leave the stage without a dollar. That is BULLSHIT. For instance, my hubby prefers brunnettes. Just b/c he prefers brunnettes does not mean that if a blonde came onstage then he would not give her a tip, or that he would not get a dance b/c she was a blonde (or redhead). One of his fave dancers of all time was a blonde. She was really pretty and nice to him. I know there are custies who will only get dances from whatever their type is no matter what, but with most guys that is usually not the case. It seems that a lot of customers will not even give WOC a chance, and will often see us as 'invisible' and not even bother to look our way or really even pay attention to our stage sets. I get confused many times with other black girls all the time at my club despite the fact that we look NOTHING alike, and don't even wear similar outfits. One is short with a muscular build, still very pretty in the face, just a completely different look. The other I got confused with was light skinned and half mexican! I am brown skinned with naturally long hair and very tall in my heels with a slim build, that no other gal has, white or black. There are only 2 or 3 other girls with my height, but they have much thicker builds. I am also the only black girl that dances to rock. Still, I get, "weren't you just on the stage," when I approach a table after a completely different looking black girl gets off. The point is, sometimes all a customer will see is black.
That is why I call myself hot4ablackchick. I have heard it soooo many times from white male customers. It seems that a lot of ladies posting now, hear that a lot too. If a dancer is black and doesn't know how to dance at my club, then she better be a beyonce/black barbie look a like to get a few tips at my club, and even that won't be enough most of the time. If a white girl has a great body, then she will BANK most of the time, even if she has the face of an old woman.
hot4ablackchick
02-22-2007, 12:29 PM
Ha!!!!!! Yes girl!!! Anybody who thinks race doesn't play a part in selling dances is either stupid, delusional, naive, works "fairyland" club where race really doesn't matter, or a combo of both. When you are the only girl who does not get tipped onstage, even though you are a good performer, with a good body, pretty face, and keep a smile on your face then sorry, but its racism. It may not always be deliberate and intentional to hurt WOC, but it is still RACISM. I am not saying that a guy can't have a preference, but you can still tell if a gal is hot whether or not you prefer asians, whites, blacks, blondes, big boobs, small boobs, short/tall whatever. When attractive black females can't get the same crowd appeal or stage tips or whatever as someone else, then IMO there is prob. Even though the fat white girls or completely utterly busted ones wearing cheap wal mart lingerie, and girls that can't dance worth a shit, hardly ever leave the stage without a dollar. That is BULLSHIT. For instance, my hubby prefers brunnettes. Just b/c he prefers brunnettes does not mean that if a blonde came onstage then he would not give her a tip, or that he would not get a dance b/c she was a blonde (or redhead). One of his fave dancers of all time was a blonde. She was really pretty and nice to him. I know there are custies who will only get dances from whatever their type is no matter what, but with most guys that is usually not the case. It seems that a lot of customers will not even give WOC a chance, and will often see us as 'invisible' and not even bother to look our way or really even pay attention to our stage sets. I get confused many times with other black girls all the time at my club despite the fact that we look NOTHING alike, and don't even wear similar outfits. One is short with a muscular build, still very pretty in the face, just a completely different look. The other I got confused with was light skinned and half mexican! I am brown skinned with naturally long hair and very tall in my heels with a slim build, that no other gal has, white or black. There are only 2 or 3 other girls with my height, but they have much thicker builds. I am also the only black girl that dances to rock. Still, I get, "weren't you just on the stage," when I approach a table after a completely different looking black girl gets off. The point is, sometimes all a customer will see is black.
That is why I call myself hot4ablackchick. I have heard it soooo many times from white male customers. It seems that a lot of ladies posting now, hear that a lot too. If a dancer is black and doesn't know how to dance at my club, then she better be a beyonce/black barbie look a like to get a few tips at my club, and even that won't be enough most of the time. If a white girl has a great body, then she will BANK most of the time, even if she has the face of an old woman.
Today 10:55 AM
hot4ablackchick
02-22-2007, 12:30 PM
sorry for the double post
PorschaM
02-22-2007, 12:32 PM
sorry for the double post
FYI, you can edit it away even though you can't "delete" it.
hot4ablackchick
02-22-2007, 12:49 PM
[QUOTE=Tyke; Of course that does not make rudeness acceptable but I not going to start buying rap music just to show I'm not racist.
Tyke[/QUOTE]
Buying rap music??? How is that even on the subject. I defininetly don't listen to rap music and I am black.
It seems a lot of customers expect black girls to do only the booty shakin, high energy dancing (BET uncut style)when they get onstage. Sometimes they seem dissappointed when they don't get that. I RARELY see black customers tipping black dancers, but when they do, it is usually these type of black dancers. The fact that I only dance to rock hurts me 60% of the time. But I really cant dance to rap/r&b as I'm not all that familiar with it (especially the new stuff) in my everyday life. At my club not only does being black hurt you, but also, not being "black enough" by some people's standards hurts you too.
Miaterria
02-22-2007, 03:59 PM
Ha!!!!!! Yes girl!!! Anybody who thinks race doesn't play a part in selling dances is either stupid, delusional, naive, works "fairyland" club where race really doesn't matter, or a combo of both. When you are the only girl who does not get tipped onstage, even though you are a good performer, with a good body, pretty face, and keep a smile on your face then sorry, but its racism. It may not always be deliberate and intentional to hurt WOC, but it is still RACISM. I am not saying that a guy can't have a preference, but you can still tell if a gal is hot whether or not you prefer asians, whites, blacks, blondes, big boobs, small boobs, short/tall whatever. When attractive black females can't get the same crowd appeal or stage tips or whatever as someone else, then IMO there is prob. Even though the fat white girls or completely utterly busted ones wearing cheap wal mart lingerie, and girls that can't dance worth a shit, hardly ever leave the stage without a dollar. That is BULLSHIT. For instance, my hubby prefers brunnettes. Just b/c he prefers brunnettes does not mean that if a blonde came onstage then he would not give her a tip, or that he would not get a dance b/c she was a blonde (or redhead). One of his fave dancers of all time was a blonde. She was really pretty and nice to him. I know there are custies who will only get dances from whatever their type is no matter what, but with most guys that is usually not the case. It seems that a lot of customers will not even give WOC a chance, and will often see us as 'invisible' and not even bother to look our way or really even pay attention to our stage sets. I get confused many times with other black girls all the time at my club despite the fact that we look NOTHING alike, and don't even wear similar outfits. One is short with a muscular build, still very pretty in the face, just a completely different look. The other I got confused with was light skinned and half mexican! I am brown skinned with naturally long hair and very tall in my heels with a slim build, that no other gal has, white or black. There are only 2 or 3 other girls with my height, but they have much thicker builds. I am also the only black girl that dances to rock. Still, I get, "weren't you just on the stage," when I approach a table after a completely different looking black girl gets off. The point is, sometimes all a customer will see is black.
That is why I call myself hot4ablackchick. I have heard it soooo many times from white male customers. It seems that a lot of ladies posting now, hear that a lot too. If a dancer is black and doesn't know how to dance at my club, then she better be a beyonce/black barbie look a like to get a few tips at my club, and even that won't be enough most of the time. If a white girl has a great body, then she will BANK most of the time, even if she has the face of an old woman.
Today 10:55 AM
You said it perfectly... It's nice to know im not the only one seeing this. I can't shake my ass like the girls on BET either. I dance to hip hop and rock. Black guys don't tip me either because they say i sound white or come off too intelligent. I get tipped ok but not better then some of the bust down looking girls. I look like a barbie doll at work and that still doesn't happy sometimes.
kitana
02-26-2007, 03:54 PM
^ ^ ^ That really sucks. I can't believe people would act so close-minded as recently as the early 90s!!! The things that Optimist are horrible! It seems like this nation is not moving very far away from old-fashioned prejudices...and that really sucks.
Hell with 1992, I see it still today in some of the clubs I have worked in as recently as 2006!!!
MADAM LIZZ
02-27-2007, 03:28 AM
thats excellent advice ( tina ) i agree with you 100% .......ive been in the bizz for many years & what you said is right on the money,,,, very well said..
AristtaRoxxx
02-27-2007, 06:31 PM
I am 1/2 white 1/2 black and I have never had any problems in any of the clubs I have danced at. I really think it depends on the club and the night.
xBlackBettyx
02-27-2007, 07:36 PM
I am 1/2 white 1/2 black and I have never had any problems in any of the clubs I have danced at. I really think it depends on the club and the night.
Yes, but you are a very lightskinned mixed person.
It seems sometimes the lighter you are, the more accepted you are.
Although, (I am half white, half black) and am totally unaccepted by the black community a lot of the time (well, back in middle school at least).
miabella
02-28-2007, 12:23 AM
the top earner at a club i worked at was black, but she looked white/asian (very very light skinned haitian girl). most customers didn't even know she was black, they assumed she was white or asian and she banked accordingly. that is what is so maddening about being a black dancer. if you can somehow pass for ANY other ethnicity, or convince customers otherwise, your money goes up almost without fail. and it is something unique specifically to black dancers. other non-white ethnicities can sometimes outearn white chicks by being 'exotic' and rare and different. oh well.
carmen123
02-28-2007, 01:39 AM
I always crack up when some naive dancer comes on this post and chimes in "Its the club, it a bad night.....yada yada....." BULL. I've danced off and on for about 4 years and have seen enough of these charades to know what I (or we're) referring to. It's like if you're white or "other", its so much easier. I'm beautiful, pleasant, and well spoken, all that good stuff, but for some reason with the "club scene", black ladies take a hard cut. You get guys that talk shit, look at the floor when you're on stage, all types of garbage. But I also concluded that with the "clubs", guys are skeptical of being actually seen with a black girl dancing for them. Thats why I'm giving up clubs for the private party/bachelor party sector. Besides ladies, why waste your time in clubs that are going downhill anyways. I know its not just me can't you see less money being dropped in clubs and girls doing more for less? Why subject yourself to these busters who don't appreciate you anyway. I learned my lesson when one day I was looking FINE, the best dress in the house, fab jewelry, and some ghostly looking chick w/ a cheap ass dress on who put the capital "S" in SKANKY was sitting with her dusty ass black boyfriend/pimp and they were both mean mugging the hell out of me (aka grimacing). DAYUM, what did I do? Plus, I never got tipped that day, and Skankerella banked. This was in a supposed "upscale" club? Nuff said, I never went back. Like they say, everything aint for everybody, so to my BEAUTIFUL WOC'S, don't subject yourself to the bullshit, keep it moving.
AristtaRoxxx
02-28-2007, 05:43 PM
Maybe it depends on where you live because I have NEVER had a problem in work or outside of work, and people know I am part black. Also my good friend is full black and does REALLY well at her club.
Miss_Luscious
03-01-2007, 11:41 AM
Where are you? Where is this black stripper haven?
AristtaRoxxx
03-01-2007, 05:51 PM
LOL in Tucson AZ. And the clubs aren't ghetto either.
AristtaRoxxx
03-01-2007, 07:04 PM
It is weird hearing it is hard for black girls to make money I have never expirenced it or even seen it. There was a black girl at my last club that NEVER hustled and made damn good money from people asking her for dances. I think it must depend on where you live. Where are you girls from? Do you feel discriminated against out the club also?
PleasureVictim
03-01-2007, 07:51 PM
You know, my bf knows a dancer in AZ who gets a couple hundred dollars a night. Both of them say it's because there aren't many black dancers so she is more of a 'novelty'. In an enviornment like that- of course she'll make lots of money. Also latino men are not a hung up as white men when it comes to getting dances from a WOC.
It's great to read about a black dancer banking in a non-black club, but I can promise you...she is in the minority.
I have only been the ethnic minority in one club, so I can't really speak on my experiences. Many other posters have been in different clubs, so they have seen more.
PorschaM
03-01-2007, 08:55 PM
Did anyone hear the Howard Stern Show yesterday (Wed. 2/28)? Apparently they were talking about black strippers. I didn't hear it - I was out of town but my DH told me about it. Howard feels awkward about it and hasn't done it, though he's not sure why. Then Gary said how there aren't that many black girls at the club and someone always grabs the one and keeps her all night. Anyone else hear it?
Miss_Luscious
03-01-2007, 09:28 PM
It is weird hearing it is hard for black girls to make money I have never expirenced it or even seen it. There was a black girl at my last club that NEVER hustled and made damn good money from people asking her for dances. I think it must depend on where you live. Where are you girls from? Do you feel discriminated against out the club also?
I live in the DC area and I can tell you I have been discriminated against here. You can search for my posts and see my whole story. It sucks when white dancers can travel around the country and dance pretty much wherever they want but I have to see how "colored friendly" a place is before I can even think of traveling.
carmen123
03-01-2007, 10:47 PM
I hear you Miss. Luscious. I'm here in Cleveland,Oh and I refuse to work @ the clubs anymore. Along with the clubs, this city is so prejudice it's rediculous. I'm like you, when some one is like "Its a money making club", I'm like "well, what about for ME?" Plus here, the economy is the worst (seriously, its the poorest large city in the USA), if a guy has a little money to spend, he's not going to spend it on a black girl. I feel like I've gotta be a magician to trick the suckers out of their money for ONE DANCE? Fuck dat! I have heard about Arizona. Karrine Steffans "Superhead" used to work there years ago and claimed she always banked over a grand a night. Maybe I need to make a trip......
DIS SHIT SUX!!
lilac666
03-02-2007, 01:25 AM
I always crack up when some naive dancer comes on this post and chimes in "Its the club, it a bad night.....yada yada....." BULL. I've danced off and on for about 4 years and have seen enough of these charades to know what I (or we're) referring to. It's like if you're white or "other", its so much easier. I'm beautiful, pleasant, and well spoken, all that good stuff, but for some reason with the "club scene", black ladies take a hard cut. You get guys that talk shit, look at the floor when you're on stage, all types of garbage. But I also concluded that with the "clubs", guys are skeptical of being actually seen with a black girl dancing for them. Thats why I'm giving up clubs for the private party/bachelor party sector. Besides ladies, why waste your time in clubs that are going downhill anyways. I know its not just me can't you see less money being dropped in clubs and girls doing more for less? Why subject yourself to these busters who don't appreciate you anyway. I learned my lesson when one day I was looking FINE, the best dress in the house, fab jewelry, and some ghostly looking chick w/ a cheap ass dress on who put the capital "S" in SKANKY was sitting with her dusty ass black boyfriend/pimp and they were both mean mugging the hell out of me (aka grimacing). DAYUM, what did I do? Plus, I never got tipped that day, and Skankerella banked. This was in a supposed "upscale" club? Nuff said, I never went back. Like they say, everything aint for everybody, so to my BEAUTIFUL WOC'S, don't subject yourself to the bullshit, keep it moving.
Wow, yeah it is getting so frustrating. I've been seeing it myself. It is really annoying when I take the time and effort to go to the gym, eat healthy, tan, get my nails done, find nice perfume, make sure NONE of my dresses have rips or tears in them and some pasty white girl rolling on E seems to have an easier time making money! What the hell is with these guys coming in the club these days???? It's like if you are good looking, sexy and classy it is like it is even HARDER!
For the record I am not black but I mixed with Brazilian and German heritage and it is obvious to people that I am a woman of color. I agree because of how America is if you are a woman of color you just have to work harder. Keeping that in mind and accepting that fact may be frustrating but you have to focus on the open minded people out there that will respond to you. Eaiser said than done I know...but you have to remember that you are so much more than just what these guys think of you! 8)
Ebony
03-02-2007, 07:37 AM
It's really unfortunate that in parts of the country guys are so brutal! I have always danced in NJ and NYC and I can say I have never been directly discriminated against. I even made a reformed skin head a customer (long story). When I go up for my tips I get them. When I ask for a dance or VIP I get them. The men in NJ and NYC in my opinion some of them happen to have a chocolate fetish (their words not mine). They like any women of color black, Afro Latina etc. Most of the black girl dancers I know in NJ and NYC work at the better clubs and are the top earners. And I'm not mixed I am of Caribbean (Trinidadian) and Afro Brazilian decent so I am darker skinnned but with exotic features.
It is probably very hard to go to work every night and have to deal with racism. The only thing you can do is shake it off and keep going. Or like one girl I know travel to better clubs.
layka
03-02-2007, 09:47 AM
You know what I've noticed ya'll. In some parts of the country, it's cool and exotic to be a fine ass black girl. But in other parts you can look like Stacy Dash and they will STILL run your ass away!!
But as far as the way black dancers are viewed, I also would like to take this time to say a big FUCK YOU to the multiple shady, rundown, nasty, booty mill clubs that hire any ole woman of color. Don't get me wrong, this statement is directed to the skeezy owners out their that don't think we can pull in big numbers with huge and elaborate clubs of our own. Don't get it twisted, the south has risen. They have beautiful clubs devouted to the ebony dancers, but it's not catching on in other parts of the country that building a huge beautiful club centered around WOC won't equal chapter 11.
AristtaRoxxx
03-02-2007, 11:38 AM
Wow now I seem sheltered in AZ, and I dont know if that is a good thing or a bad thing but I know I am never moving lol. It really didnt occur to me that there were that many places that are still so discriminatory and it is really disturbing.
lexXe
03-02-2007, 01:27 PM
I think the biggest thing is attitude. When you walk into a club and feel intimidated and immediately feel that no one wants you it shows in how you present yourself and affects your hustle. I live in Toronto so my perspective may be different but the last club I worked at had tonnes of American businessmen because it was near the airport and I did extremely well with them. One thing I heard over and over is that my personality is very inviting. You'd be surprised how much this effects the equation.
You guys need to come up to TO and try the clubs here!!
cinammonkisses
03-05-2007, 07:43 AM
Wow now I seem sheltered in AZ, and I dont know if that is a good thing or a bad thing but I know I am never moving lol. It really didnt occur to me that there were that many places that are still so discriminatory and it is really disturbing.
Being sheltered in this case is a good thing though Tiff. I wouldn't wish the treatment some WOC go through in these clubs on anyone. OH yea, any of you girls remember when my manager told me he was thinking about not hiring me back because "this club can't support 3 black girls" lmaooooooooo I need to get out of Ohio ASAP. Maybe I should take a trip down to AZ too. :)
carmen123
03-06-2007, 12:18 AM
I hear you Cinammon, Ohio is the PITS! Stuck in this "Midmess", I can't wait to get the f*$# out of here. The clubs try to make you feel like you should be oh-so thankful they hired you, even when you're not making money!
PaigeDWinter
03-06-2007, 12:54 AM
Wow now I seem sheltered in AZ, and I dont know if that is a good thing or a bad thing but I know I am never moving lol. It really didnt occur to me that there were that many places that are still so discriminatory and it is really disturbing.
Yeah it's quite disturbing just how many people out there wont budge for anything other than Tanned Caucasian. Scary. I can sure say that I feel the cold shoulder because of this, at the other end of the spectrum. Ugh.
AristtaRoxxx
03-06-2007, 04:39 PM
Is California bad too? I mean for black dancers of course.
PorschaM
03-07-2007, 07:13 AM
>Is California bad too?
Interestingly, the person that started this thread MANY moons ago was working in L.A.
AristtaRoxxx
03-07-2007, 04:56 PM
So was it bad? LOL
AngelEyezXYZ
03-11-2007, 01:13 PM
I worked in Los Angeles clubs for a while and I made the most money at the black clubs. The earnings potential was higher at the white clubs I went to but I experienced a LOT of racism at some, couldn't get hired at others, and found that I'd have maybe one $600 day in between 4 or 5 $20 ones. It wasn't fun. But that's just my experience, different strokes for different folks. There are also quite a few predominantly hispanic clubs in LA and I liked the ones I tried out but I eventually wound up sticking with the black clubs.
Bridgette
03-11-2007, 02:06 PM
Um, I always hear that LA is just universally bad ;) Like, the sweaty buttcrack of the stripper world. Second only to Houston, which I guess would be like the dingleberry of the stripper world. LOL! ;D
PorschaM
03-12-2007, 09:10 AM
Have you guys ever seen a WOC do amateur night?
Well, I think I'm ready to take the amateur night plunge. I just posted this new topic in the Customer section for advice. Please help.
Amateur Night advice needed for a TRUE amateur (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85329)
AlexxaHex
03-12-2007, 08:46 PM
I worked in Los Angeles clubs for a while and I made the most money at the black clubs. The earnings potential was higher at the white clubs I went to but I experienced a LOT of racism at some, couldn't get hired at others, and found that I'd have maybe one $600 day in between 4 or 5 $20 ones. It wasn't fun. But that's just my experience, different strokes for different folks. There are also quite a few predominantly hispanic clubs in LA and I liked the ones I tried out but I eventually wound up sticking with the black clubs.
I don't know if LA clubs are particularly racist toward black people, but your financial experience sounds similar to my own and to several of my friends of various ethnicities. LA just sucks for everyone, but usually Mexicans and other Spanish speaking women do best here.
I spent several unprofitable months working the LA clubs I could get hired in.
Even though you are in a metro area of 16 million people, white people are the MINORITY race . The last figures I have seen show the racial mix at about 42% hispanic, 35% white, 10% Asian, 3% Middle eastern and other, and 10% black.
Middle aged white men without game ( like the kind black comedians make fun of) make the best money spending customers, and many of them don't live in the areas where the clubs are. And some of these guys are on guard because they live in an area where a lot of swindling and hustling goes on. ( Work in the rural midwest areas where I work, and you'd be amazed at how naive some of the target white men are.)
SO Cal has dingy clubs and not the glitzy gentlemens club types with full bars like Christie's in Phoenix or like the top clubs in Dallas, Austin, and Houston.
Plus CA law does not allow topless lap dances where there is liquor, so guys there don't really like buying dances in topless clubs.
With a large ethnic population, many of the guys are kind of rough around the edges and want more for their money, and without decent full bar clubs, the nude clubs which are the most popular are forced to play extra short songs and charge a lot for the dances, which make the already rough arounfd the edges guys want more for their money if they choose to buy dances.
So I agree, the best money may actually be in the black and hispanic clubs, but having the right crowd in those is hit and miss.
And with such a large population there are TONS of girls already working in the clubs, which makes it hard to get hired.
Of course, even in an area where white people are the minority, the majority of wealth and club ownership is still held by whites. And in some of the clubs they own, you would think the majority race in SO CAL was still white. That is what makes it hard on us blacks. We HAVE to become business owners (and that includes clubs) so as to whittle away at white business ownership, and then we as black people can have more control over hiring more of our own kind, and bringing in more customers of our own kind with money to spend.
AlexxaHex
03-13-2007, 06:45 PM
Even though you are in a metro area of 16 million people, white people are the MINORITY race . The last figures I have seen show the racial mix at about 42% hispanic, 35% white, 10% Asian, 3% Middle eastern and other, and 10% black.
Middle aged white men without game ( like the kind black comedians make fun of) make the best money spending customers, and many of them don't live in the areas where the clubs are. And some of these guys are on guard because they live in an area where a lot of swindling and hustling goes on. ( Work in the rural midwest areas where I work, and you'd be amazed at how naive some of the target white men are.)
Both of the above statements are testament to the very real possibility that the majority of dancers AND customers in LA strip clubs are Hispanic. There is no way to provide an exact statistic on that, but I can speak from approximately 2 years of experience working in several different areas and clubs. Mexicans make up about 62% of the Hispanic population here, and we all know what goes on in strip clubs in Tijuana. If you don't, let's just say that they can get a lot more for $40 USD than a lap dance south of the border.
I personally find that my best customers (ones who appreciate and spend on me) are black men, usually over age 30. It's very probable that you saw most of your income from middle aged white men, depending on the area you worked in. They come in a close second for me. The language barrier with non-English speaking customers (and the usual grabbyness) generally kills a lot of my sales with Hispanics. Also the average age of the Hispanic male in Southern California is about 27, much younger than the 36.2 median age of the rest of the population.
Plus CA law does not allow topless lap dances where there is liquor, so guys there don't really like buying dances in topless clubs.
They do, but there are very few topless clubs here. They much prefer to get dances at nude clubs, however, and they are usually double (or more) the price of a dance at a topless club where we are only permitted to wear full bikinis during dances. Because of the alcohol at topless clubs, it is safe to say that you can expect to get some dances by taking advantage of the "drunk factor". If you think the topless situation is bad, then you should try working in a bikini bar! There are not even pasties allowed in some Hollywood clubs. >:( Kinda pointless if you ask me. But guys do show up and tip stage shows because of the drinking/social aspect of the bar.
So I agree, the best money may actually be in the black and hispanic clubs, but having the right crowd in those is hit and miss.
I'm not quite sure if I've ever heard of a "just black" or "just hispanic" club. I would say that it's all very mixed here. If you know of any in particular, where are they?
I will say that the best money to be made here for any girl of any race is in City of Industry, where extras and high contact are permitted by LE.
Of course, even in an area where white people are the minority, the majority of wealth and club ownership is still held by whites. And in some of the clubs they own, you would think the majority race in SO CAL was still white. That is what makes it hard on us blacks. We HAVE to become business owners (and that includes clubs) so as to whittle away at white business ownership, and then we as black people can have more control over hiring more of our own kind, and bringing in more customers of our own kind with money to spend.
I agree that I would like to see more of a diversity in business ownership...anywhere in the world! But I will say that I have noticed a huge diversity in club ownership and management in the various clubs I've worked at. The owners/managers have been (in order):
Italian, Russian/Armenian, Asian, Hispanic, Black, Armenian/Russian, Armenian, Hispanic.
I'm not quite sure I understand the concept or benefit of "whittling away at white business owners". Does that mean you want to get rid of them? Or do you just want to work along side them?
There are several black clubs in the Carson, South Central area, and some hispanic clubs in East LA and Southgate areas that I am aware of.
I am stating statistics of ethnicity in the population for the entire LA metro area, which includes LA County, and Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, and Ventura counties.
This is the concept that White America doesn't understand. Our black race does not OWN 12-13% of the MAJOR businesses in this country which correlates with the percentage of blacks residing in the US. As long as we as blacks seek to work for white people, instead of striving to OWN major businesses and work for ourselves, we will never grow as a race. And white people will as they always have, limit the number of blacks working for them.
Asians own more businesses than blacks do.
Racial diversity is not going to increase in the workplace until blacks control as much wealth in the country percentage wise as whites do. With over 95% of all major wealth in this country controlled by whites, how can the black race grow unless they take over companies owned by whites?
The average white american is not going to suffer because blacks start owing businesses formerly owned by whites. In other words, if 1000 major businesses are owned by whites, that number needs to be decreased to 870, with 130 of those to be owned by blacks. Too many whites in power are afraid of losing control to non whites. This country has got to be more racially balanced where money is concerned.
Too many blacks work for white people. It's time for whites to start working for us too.You want to see integrated strip clubs? Have 1/2 of the clubs owned by responsible blacks, and instead of a club having out of 100 dancers 93 white ones in a city that is 50% non white, you can now have 50% white girls and the other 50% divided amongst Asians, Blacks, and Hispanics. You can have an owner turn away white girls like they do us women of color.
I am not prejudiced, but I am all for being fair. And things won't ever become fair until all races have equal acces to money and power.
AlexxaHex
03-13-2007, 08:34 PM
You can have an owner turn away white girls like they do us women of color.
I am not prejudiced, but I am all for being fair. And things won't ever become fair until all races have equal acces to money and power.
Ehhh...do you really think that having a black owner turn away white girls with prejudice is going to make things equal? I think everyone should be hired without color in mind. I think that has to go both ways. Sure the whole thing is kind of fun to imagine as a measure of "justice", but it's really just doing the same thing as whites do to blacks. Either way it's not fair. If everyone wants to have equality then they need to practice it in all directions.
And what of the "mixed" girls who are technically both black and white? Which half of them should stay home and which half should work? lol
While I agree that more black people should own businesses, it's not realistic that you will ever see the 50/50 split you spoke of in this lifetime. The major reason is simply just a numbers issue, as the majority of people in the US are not black. I would personally like to see this happen too...I just don't know if it's realistically possible. But I think that the scales are tilting. They will continue to do so if society keeps growing in a non-racist direction.
AngelEyezXYZ
03-14-2007, 11:10 AM
In response to your question about "all black or all hispanic clubs", Tina, I worked at one club in East LA called "The Playpen", which was literally all hispanic. Customers, dancers (except for me), and management. I only lasted one day there because of some of the things I witnessed and experienced. I worked at Ron's Barbary Coast in Gardena and while it was owned by a white man (who nobody ever really saw), everybody in there was black except for one latina and a few token white customers who would come in expecting extras all the time. Come to think of it, all of the black clubs I worked at in the LA area are run by white people, which is also interesting in itself.
Ironically, most black clubs are white owned. And a percentage of them is full of girls who "date". Lack of capital and business experience is much of the reason blacks don't own them , along with many white owners trying to keep the races separated.
That is why I say that our race needs to get it's act together and learn how to get capital, and learn how to run professional clubs and other businesses that can attract all types and races of people.
There is no fairness in this country. This is very much a good ole' boys society, and more ethnic ownership of large mainstream businesses will actually improve conditions for all races. I'm not just talking about businesses hiring all their own race, but having products and services that are professionally marketed to reach all people. I am not advocating black owners operating rinky dink ghettoized clubs, but running classy operations which employ a wide array of dancers, and a racially mixed staff of DJ's bartenders, and managers.
Miss_Luscious
03-14-2007, 04:57 PM
Tina, everytime I read one of your posts, I am reminded of how much I admire you. You are simply awesome.
AngelEyezXYZ
03-14-2007, 05:18 PM
I am not advocating black owners operating rinky dink ghettoized clubs, but running classy operations which employ a wide array of dancers, and a racially mixed staff of DJ's bartenders, and managers.
I totally agree and I wonder have you ever been in such a club? Lots of decently operated black clubs that I've gone to have black managers and staff, leaving the impression that they are black owned but when you get to the bottom of it, it's not the case. I haven't traveled all over and danced at a multitude of clubs like some ladies on the board, but I can say that I have yet to run into a multiracial club (or even a classy black club) owned by a black person.
I also agree with your saying many of these more run-down black clubs are run by white people and they hire women who "date". It has also been my experience that what few white patrons of said black clubs only come in because of the perceived (and possibly true) notion that they can get cheaper extras from the girls there than at the white clubs they also frequent. That makes me sad.
When I first began dancing I was really naive and blind to how unfairly some of the black clubs owned by white people in CA really are run. Housefees upwards of $60-$75 per shift and mandatory (juice) drink sales without any stable customer base to sell them to and crazy fines to boot. It got to the point where girls were being fined so much that they couldn't afford to pay them, so they started a "tab" of fines... one girl wound up owing over $1K in fines to management. And they let her keep working and kept adding to her fines because a) they knew she'd keep "paying down" her tab and b) they trusted that she wouldn't go anywhere else because she was the type of girl who was "stuck" there per se. That's just ridiculous.
I'm all for the idea of classy multiracial clubs and classy black clubs run and owned by black people. I like that you stress the importance of black business ownership as the solution to the problem, Tina. I must admit I have really come to love my black clubs, especially since I've left the Los Angeles area and have been exposed to those where white owners do not simply operate the club for the purpose of extorting funds from black women. But like someone said earlier in this thread, Los Angeles is just shitty for stripping in general so there's no surprise that the black strip club game is screwed there as well.
cinammonkisses
03-14-2007, 05:31 PM
Hey, how about in ummm 7yrs we get together and open our own WOC highclass stripclub?! Who's down with me?!
AlexxaHex
03-14-2007, 05:52 PM
So, where are some of the better black clubs? Like, if I were a customer and were to give my money to a black club with beautiful WOC, where would I go?
Let's just say LA is a lost cause for everybody!
lexXe
03-14-2007, 07:07 PM
Hey, how about in ummm 7yrs we get together and open our own WOC highclass stripclub?! Who's down with me?!
I am!!
xBlackBettyx
03-14-2007, 07:59 PM
I am!!
Ooo. Me.
PleasureVictim
03-14-2007, 08:00 PM
I know of about 4 or 5 clubs in SC with black owners. None of them are what you would call upscale though.