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PorschaM
03-24-2007, 12:00 AM
I went to Christie's Phoenix on the Friday before St. Patrick's Day (ladies free for March Madness) and as an outsider, I saw EXACTLY what you guys have been talking about. I watched maybe 5-6 stage sets: 2 black girls, maybe 3 white girls and one girl that may have been mixed. The 2 black girls had great stage sets, tons of pole work (very impressive. One even did booty popping upside down on the pole and everything) Both barely got tipped. One white blond girl just *walked* onto the stage and the money started flying. By the end of her set she had run out of places to store the money (no lie). She had money on her thong, her arm bands, her garter.... She was cute and all, but all the girls at Christies were beautiful and everyone had equally impressive stage shows, though some pole work was better than others. My only point is that it definitely wasn't the quality of either the girl or the show that determined the tipping.

One thing I did notice though is that each of the white girls went over to a customer and did something in front of them that would make them give a tip, whereas the two black girls I watched waited until someone put money on the stage before going over.

Just my observations... Hey, if I could get into all the clubs for free, I'd be more than happy to give EVERYONE personal feedback. I'm unemployed and love to travel. Any takers??? LOL

cinammonkisses
03-24-2007, 08:09 AM
One thing I did notice though is that each of the white girls went over to a customer and did something in front of them that would make them give a tip, whereas the two black girls I watched waited until someone put money on the stage before going over.


That's actually what I do. I dunno, I guess if I know someone is getting up out of their chair to tip me, they must really like what they see. I dunno, I've always been one of those, "I'm not gonna bust my ass for a tip" kinda girls. A couple weeks ago, there was an older (white) group of two couples. I heard the one lady comment on my boobs talking about how nice they were blah blah, but since I have bionic bunny ears they didn't know I heard it. So I go over there, full of smiles, telling the girl, "I know you just want to stick my face in here" or something silly I said and they just sat back and laughed...those asshats didn't tip me. >:( After taking a few seconds to figure this out, I went back to the main area of the stage, and continued my song.

secondtimearound
03-24-2007, 08:27 AM
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...whereas the two black girls I watched waited until someone put money on the stage before going over.

I'm a black chick that does the same. On stage I don't approach for tips unless the person is giving me some obvious body language that he's into me/ he's moved closer to the stage during my set. Otherwise, I will wait to be approached.

Optimist
03-24-2007, 05:56 PM
So the question is would they have done better if they gave more personal attention or would the toll of too much blatant racism be too much? I guess it's up to the individual girl.

PorschaM
03-24-2007, 09:14 PM
>Optimist - So the question is would they have done better if they gave more personal attention or would the toll of too much blatant racism be too much? I guess it's up to the individual girl.

Maybe there's a middle ground. Part of this observation was that the routines of the white girls took place along the edge of the stage while the black girls stayed toward the center. What if you move outward somewhat so that you are naturally doing the set directly in front of the men on the rail and see if you get more tips? You aren't doing anything extra and if it doesn't work, you haven't put yourself out there.

miabella
03-25-2007, 01:51 AM
I have to say, when i danced, i would work the edge of the stage ALWAYS, and i often ended up getting tips comparable to white dancers when other black dancers were getting like 4$ a set. i would wave guys up, stick my tongue out, any little silly fun thing to get them coming up there. and if a guy came up, he got a fun show. i was never under any impression that i didn't have to bust ass on stage or off it for my money.

although i will say a lot of black dancers coming into mixed clubs from all-black clubs were not inclined to hustle, as apparently at black clubs guys just fetch you when they want to spend money or stage tip heavily.

aussiepunkshocker
03-25-2007, 03:20 AM
Racist experiencies stay with you. I am very outgoing when on stage and when talking to people at work now, but when I started stripping I was quite timid like this despite the fact that most people think im white locally. I used to find it really hard to approach people. There was forever that memory of being rejected because of the colour of my skin in previous years.



I'm a black chick that does the same. On stage I don't approach for tips unless the person is giving me some obvious body language that he's into me/ he's moved closer to the stage during my set. Otherwise, I will wait to be approached.

cinammonkisses
03-25-2007, 07:34 AM
Maybe there's a middle ground. Part of this observation was that the routines of the white girls took place along the edge of the stage while the black girls stayed toward the center. What if you move outward somewhat so that you are naturally doing the set directly in front of the men on the rail and see if you get more tips? You aren't doing anything extra and if it doesn't work, you haven't put yourself out there.

Now see, I dance ALL around my stage too. I'm never stuck to the pole, hip and hand stuck to it..no. I'm all over that stage. Even if I am being flirty, smiling (like I always do anyway) and a customer is still not trying to tip then I give up on that person.

secondtimearound
03-25-2007, 10:39 AM
>

Part of this observation was that the routines of the white girls took place along the edge of the stage while the black girls stayed toward the center. What if you move outward somewhat so that you are naturally doing the set directly in front of the men on the rail and see if you get more tips? You aren't doing anything extra and if it doesn't work, you haven't put yourself out there.

I agree. I definitely believe in engaging the customer and covering all areas of the stage. If there are guys in the vicinity (and they also stay there) when you're on stage, that is a good sign they're interested, and you should dance in front of/for them. It is very likely these girls hurt their chances of getting tipped by not interacting with the customers who were at the rail. When I mentioned that I don't approach for tips I wasn't saying I stay glued to the pole/the center the whole set, but I don't take the liberty of assuming they will want to tip me and acting as such, i.e. just walking up to a guy whether he was looking at me or not and holding out my garter for a tip. I don't want to get embarassed and get looked at crazy, AND walk away empty-handed. lol. Like CK said, if they approach me, then I know they like what they see.

cinammonkisses
03-25-2007, 10:54 AM
but I don't take the liberty of assuming they will want to tip me and acting as such, i.e. just walking up to a guy whether he was looking at me or not and holding out my garter for a tip. I don't want to get embarassed and get looked at crazy, AND walk away empty-handed. lol. .

That's what I'm saying. When Miabella wrote that she'll wave the guys up, stick her tongue out, be playful, I thought that's cool. But for me, I could never do it. I'd be salty as hell if I'm on stage naked waving some asshat on some come up to the stage an he just sits there.

kylie3183
03-25-2007, 02:26 PM
I work at a white club. I'm white myself, but one of my best friends at the club is black. Out of 50 girls, 3 are black. She has worked there almost 4 years on and off. She's very dark. Gorgeous too. But here's the deal. For the longest time she would complain about how she didn't make money cause none of the customers liked black girls, and how customers would just walk away from stage when she got up there. Which is true. (the stage part atleast). And I kept telling her that the same thing happens to me. Stage is in mainly based on appearance at first. But the performance helps. I have guys get up and leave stage when I walk up sometimes too. I'm a 5'9" brunette. If I follow a 4'3" blonde with fake tits. Chances are that guy may not like my look. HOWEVER, in the last 5 months she has started making great money. She used to wear a long, straight wig and now wears her hair in short dreads. But here's where the change came about.

She said, "Fuck this. I'm going to hustle. I'm gonna make as much as the rest of these bitches in here." And you know what, she's not the top earner, but on the high end. She worked the girls that know what to say and do. Now she does it too. The main difference though is that she dropped the attitude of.... these guys don't like me cause I'm black. She looks at every guy as an opportunity to make money. You never know. And so much of money making boils down to personality in the end.

If you have the attitude that nobody wants you, then they probably won't.

Just look at every person as a chance for a sale. Sit down. Talk. Make them like you. And show them that you're a great entertainer. Make them want you.;)

Optimist
03-25-2007, 03:55 PM
So how do you girls recharge after a night, week, month of grinding racist injustice? That is a vital secret to surviving.

cinammonkisses
03-25-2007, 04:00 PM
So how do you girls recharge after a night, week, month of grinding racist injustice? That is a vital secret to surviving.

In all honesty, I stop working...if I can't get right mentally then it will shine through. I can't wear a mask ya know..my eyes don't sparkle as bright, I'm not full of smiles..I just can't fake it. So, I'll take some time out for myself. I read this thread, and then I think about how fucking fine I am. Then I call my regular "D" who's crazy about me and listen to him talk me to death for like 30min-1hr about how gorgeous I am. Then I tell him to meet me at work, and he makes it all better :D

PleasureVictim
03-25-2007, 06:42 PM
I need to work on staying off the damn pole myself. I go out to the edge, but don't always stay there very long.

Optimist
03-26-2007, 10:09 AM
Good ideas!

leilanicandy
03-26-2007, 10:46 AM
So how do you girls recharge after a night, week, month of grinding racist injustice? That is a vital secret to surviving.



You have to treat racisit people. As if you treat those who are predjuice to certain things. It is not a promblem with you, it is with them! They are the one with psychological issues You can not let those people bring you down. Go take a break and get grounded, if your enviroment is really fill with racist people. Try a new enviroment, that works for you !

racism is just like the predjuice towards Strippers. You need to look at them in the same light. You cant change people minds. You cant let thier negative ways bring you down! You will not get anywhere all in dumps. Once you realize who people are, what they do should not have a negative affect on you! You see them for who they are, and trust them to be them! Stupidity is everywhere it dose not mean you stop trying to make things work. You are just going to try differant avenues. Try changing clubs, try something new, dont let anyone bring your mind into the negative side. It might be hard to get your brain out the negative side.


So the answer is change your mind set. So you will not have to worry about such things. We all are going to and some might already experience racism, or a form of predjuice. The key is the way you deal with it! Is what keep you recharge and going strong!

PorschaM
03-26-2007, 10:15 PM
When I mentioned that I don't approach for tips I wasn't saying I stay glued to the pole/the center the whole set, but I don't take the liberty of assuming they will want to tip me and acting as such, i.e. just walking up to a guy whether he was looking at me or not and holding out my garter for a tip. I don't want to get embarassed and get looked at crazy, AND walk away empty-handed. lol. Like CK said, if they approach me, then I know they like what they see.

You guys do this day in and day out so I don't want to act like I know "the right way" or anything, especially since it's only my second strip club and I only watched 6 girls (though I was watching intently with dancer eyes not as a custie and I had read ALL 350+ responses to this thread before going in).

What the girls I was referring to did was something along these lines: Girl A would dance her way over to Guy B who was just sitting there watching the show at the edge of the stage - not standing, not showing more interest than normal, just sitting there. Then she'd do a split, with her back to Guy B, lay down on her belly (while in the split) such that her butt is basically in the guys face, then do something graceful to come out of the split like bring her legs together to the side and flip her hair or something as a distraction. Guy B *always* put money down usually while her butt was still in his face. There would be this stupid grin and nod, then MONEY slapped down. There was also crawling on the stage; Girl A sitting on the stage with her back to the guy, then doing some sort of back bend such that she was laying down right in front of him, but upside down. Gosh it's hard to explain /:O, though one girl practically sat on the stage and masturbated her entire set (while dancing of course). She didn't get tipped as well as the beautiful blond though, but guys did like it.

They always made it look like it was just part of their routine, they just stopped in front of random men and did more tantilizing parts near the edge.

After I saw this, I practiced incorporating this concept (less the masturbation:O) into my amateur night routine which I never got to perform so I can't tell you if the experiment worked or not. :(

Blasiancutie
04-10-2007, 03:57 PM
Ooo. Me.


I dream of owning a club all the time.


And Tina, I totally agreed with you and shared my experiences and thoughts a few posts back. ;D

hisparkle
11-29-2007, 07:51 AM
[quote=Amethyst;458853]Hotmercedes, I'm black as well, but the only guys I have trouble making money from are black guys! And it's not that they want some big-bootied black girl or white girl; they just don't like my a$$ :D Actually, the only time black men typically give me the time of day is when they see me walking around with my very white boyfriend. *sigh*. But that's another subject ;p

I totally agree on this point. I find that I make the majority of my money from older white men. I work in Syracuse NY and we are having quite a down time though. I am looking to travel now

MinahSky
11-29-2007, 12:52 PM
Please take this the way it is meant, ladies:

YOU ARE NO LOWER OR WORSE THAN THE WHITE GIRLS. You need to walk into work and around the club the same way that they do: like the club owes you $1000 a night. I never strived to be the best "black" girl in the club I strived to be the best dancer in the club, period. And I had it worse since I am mixed and the black girls tried to make my life hell day in and day out because from day one I banked as much as or more than them and the white girls.

You have to realize that it doesn't matter what you look like. It really doesn't. It's an excuse not to do well. STOP IT!!! Get out there and make them realize what they are missing if they dont' tip you or dance with you. If guys would get up and leave my stage, I would wave goodbye and say, "later boys!" or "Great! More room for the rest of my fans!". I'd get so many dances that they wondered what was wrong with THEM that they said no to me...I'd make them beg. I'd make a big deal out of the fact that I've been in the back giving 10-20 dances at a time with people who know that I am the shiznit.

YOU hold the cards here, not them. Walk it, talk it, OWN it....and them.

hisparkle
11-30-2007, 07:50 AM
Thank you so much honey for the encouragement. I am gonna get back on the horse and do my thing. Thanks again. I will keep you posted on my progress.}:D



Please take this the way it is meant, ladies:

YOU ARE NO LOWER OR WORSE THAN THE WHITE GIRLS. You need to walk into work and around the club the same way that they do: like the club owes you $1000 a night. I never strived to be the best "black" girl in the club I strived to be the best dancer in the club, period. And I had it worse since I am mixed and the black girls tried to make my life hell day in and day out because from day one I banked as much as or more than them and the white girls.

You have to realize that it doesn't matter what you look like. It really doesn't. It's an excuse not to do well. STOP IT!!! Get out there and make them realize what they are missing if they dont' tip you or dance with you. If guys would get up and leave my stage, I would wave goodbye and say, "later boys!" or "Great! More room for the rest of my fans!". I'd get so many dances that they wondered what was wrong with THEM that they said no to me...I'd make them beg. I'd make a big deal out of the fact that I've been in the back giving 10-20 dances at a time with people who know that I am the shiznit.

YOU hold the cards here, not them. Walk it, talk it, OWN it....and them.

Gwennnnnn
12-01-2007, 07:31 AM
I'm not black, but I work in an upscale club in Manhattan with dancers of all different ethnicities, about 20% black, a mostly white clientele, and the black girls do really well! The black girls in my club are stunning and exotic, and the White business men love them in my club... I think you need a different club.

exotic0690
12-22-2007, 05:39 PM
Come to Canada !

MulattoKitten
12-22-2007, 10:48 PM
Come to Canada !

I have heard very good things about Canada....

Optimist
12-24-2007, 04:22 AM
So the question is would they have done better if they gave more personal attention or would the toll of too much blatant racism be too much? I guess it's up to the individual girl.




Maybe there's a middle ground. Part of this observation was that the routines of the white girls took place along the edge of the stage while the black girls stayed toward the center. What if you move outward somewhat so that you are naturally doing the set directly in front of the men on the rail and see if you get more tips? You aren't doing anything extra and if it doesn't work, you haven't put yourself out there.


I have to say, when i danced, i would work the edge of the stage ALWAYS, and i often ended up getting tips comparable to white dancers when other black dancers were getting like 4$ a set. i would wave guys up, stick my tongue out, any little silly fun thing to get them coming up there. and if a guy came up, he got a fun show. i was never under any impression that i didn't have to bust ass on stage or off it for my money.





I work at a white club. I'm white myself, but one of my best friends at the club is black. Out of 50 girls, 3 are black. She has worked there almost 4 years on and off. She's very dark. Gorgeous too. But here's the deal. For the longest time she would complain about how she didn't make money cause none of the customers liked black girls, and how customers would just walk away from stage when she got up there. Which is true. (the stage part atleast). HOWEVER, in the last 5 months she has started making great money. She used to wear a long, straight wig and now wears her hair in short dreads. But here's where the change came about.

She said, "Fuck this. I'm going to hustle. I'm gonna make as much as the rest of these bitches in here." And you know what, she's not the top earner, but on the high end. She worked the girls that know what to say and do. Now she does it too. The main difference though is that she dropped the attitude of.... these guys don't like me cause I'm black. She looks at every guy as an opportunity to make money. You never know. And so much of money making boils down to personality in the end.

If you have the attitude that nobody wants you, then they probably won't.

Just look at every person as a chance for a sale. Sit down. Talk. Make them like you. And show them that you're a great entertainer. Make them want you.;)

Words to help us make every night profitable in the new year!!!!

Optimist
12-24-2007, 04:43 AM
So the question is would they have done better if they gave more personal attention or would the toll of too much blatant racism be too much? I guess it's up to the individual girl.




Racist experiencies stay with you. I am very outgoing when on stage and when talking to people at work now, but when I started stripping I was quite timid like this despite the fact that most people think im white locally. I used to find it really hard to approach people. There was forever that memory of being rejected because of the colour of my skin in previous years.




In all honesty, I stop working...if I can't get right mentally then it will shine through. I can't wear a mask ya know..my eyes don't sparkle as bright, I'm not full of smiles..I just can't fake it. So, I'll take some time out for myself. I read this thread, and then I think about how fucking fine I am. Then I call my regular "D" who's crazy about me and listen to him talk me to death for like 30min-1hr about how gorgeous I am. Then I tell him to meet me at work, and he makes it all better :D


You have to treat racisit people. As if you treat those who are predjuice to certain things. It is not a promblem with you, it is with them! They are the one with psychological issues You can not let those people bring you down. Go take a break and get grounded, if your enviroment is really fill with racist people. Try a new enviroment, that works for you !

racism is just like the predjuice towards Strippers. You need to look at them in the same light. You cant change people minds. You cant let thier negative ways bring you down! You will not get anywhere all in dumps. Once you realize who people are, what they do should not have a negative affect on you! You see them for who they are, and trust them to be them! Stupidity is everywhere it dose not mean you stop trying to make things work. You are just going to try differant avenues. Try changing clubs, try something new, dont let anyone bring your mind into the negative side. It might be hard to get your brain out the negative side.


So the answer is change your mind set. So you will not have to worry about such things. We all are going to and some might already experience racism, or a form of predjuice. The key is the way you deal with it! Is what keep you recharge and going strong!


Please take this the way it is meant, ladies:

YOU ARE NO LOWER OR WORSE THAN THE WHITE GIRLS. You need to walk into work and around the club the same way that they do: like the club owes you $1000 a night. I never strived to be the best "black" girl in the club I strived to be the best dancer in the club, period. And I had it worse since I am mixed and the black girls tried to make my life hell day in and day out because from day one I banked as much as or more than them and the white girls.

You have to realize that it doesn't matter what you look like. It really doesn't. It's an excuse not to do well. STOP IT!!! Get out there and make them realize what they are missing if they dont' tip you or dance with you. If guys would get up and leave my stage, I would wave goodbye and say, "later boys!" or "Great! More room for the rest of my fans!". I'd get so many dances that they wondered what was wrong with THEM that they said no to me...I'd make them beg. I'd make a big deal out of the fact that I've been in the back giving 10-20 dances at a time with people who know that I am the shiznit.

YOU hold the cards here, not them. Walk it, talk it, OWN it....and them.

So for the new year let's face when we're burnt out and take a time out when the racists asshats get you down. Recharge with people who are positive and nurturing. Remind ourselves that the asshats are just that -- ASSHATS! Be open to new ideas like switching clubs if the culture isn't right for you, switching work style if you see other girls with other styles banking more, and/or switching looks if they like a different visual style. Be responsive to the ever changing passions of the guys and imitate it as closely as possible. And finally HYPE HYPE HYPE your beautiful black a$$ because some nights ya' gotta fake it 'til you make it.:-*

DylanAngel
12-24-2007, 07:15 AM
And finally HYPE HYPE HYPE your beautiful black a$$ because some nights ya' gotta fake it 'til you make it.:-*

There is NO faking it with you, my friend. You are 100% genuine hotness. And if there are people around that can't appreciate that, let them drown in their own ignorance.

Optimist
12-24-2007, 07:46 AM
:-* (smooch) (smooch) (spank!)}:D

cinammonkisses
12-26-2007, 07:57 AM
Thanks! I'm thinking about trying a new club in the new year myself..

lovely85
02-18-2008, 03:29 AM
I'm new and I was thinking of becoming a dancer. But after reading this entire thread(took me awhile but I got through it), I decided I dont think I'd be able to deal with that kind of blatant rejection,treatment and racism.I won't deal with being the last picked(if picked at all) and disrespected as if I'm supposed to be happy that I atleast got something thrown at me. nah. I'm too beautiful and too good for that. Now, I'm not saying that happens all the time but from reading this thread that seems to be the general rule. I just can't see trying to change or cover up my natural kinky hair and/or trying to lighten my skin complexion. I love my features. We as Black women seem to always have to compromise in some way which really angers me and I just cant compromise that much and in that way. I'm hardworking strong female and I know how hard it is to deal with racism because I am a black woman myself. I was thinking of dancing to help with my finances for school but I think Im going to just have to find another way financially until I graduate. Right now I'm in nursing school and I think I'm going to just stick with tryna do something else until I graduate . Once I do become a nurse I'm going to put in a lot of hours ,do a lot of overtime to pay off my debts,splurge a bit and save for my own business.

Anyways now I'm rambling but I wanted to give yall females props with your hustle and I give yall credit for doing what you do because I know it can't be easy. But ladies if dancing is this racist then I think yall should think about doing something else. We really deserve so much better and from reading from the many posts I can tell many of you are smart and you know you deserve better also. I hate to see my fellow sistas being treated like this. We just deal with so much crap on a daily basis.

Its late and I'm out.

Take Care yall!

PleasureVictim
02-18-2008, 10:36 PM
I understand your choice and love to read different opinions Lovely but if most or all dancers were to leave because of the racist actions of random lowlives....what good would that do?

There are hundreds of WOC making great money in this business. I guess they don't know about SW nor do they care to post even if they did. It would be nice to read more words of encouragement from them, but hey that's life.

I have experienced subtle racism a while back when I first started dancing...that alone made me decide to never set foot in another mostly white club EVER again. And I know what I dealt with was on the 'light side'. Props to those dancers who get worse and still keep on truckin'. I chose to shake my ass at clubs that welcome me with open arms....my token days are over.

Even with my experience, I would not steer another dancer down that route...I'd let her know the choice is hers and let her choose whatever works for her. We are all different and will tolerate different things.

lovely85
02-19-2008, 12:07 AM
thats true pleasurevictim. What I was saying is I couldnt deal with that kind of treatment on a regular basis. Like I said earlier I do give much credit to the women here that do continue to dance and deal with things they have dealt with while still keeping their head high and having a positive attitude.

Ebony
02-19-2008, 07:20 AM
PleasueVictim I and a WOC dancer and I have always used my exoticness to make loads of money. I have always been in one of the highest if not the highest earner in clubs I have worked at in NJ. I work in the Tri State area so this may be a big advantage since most people in NJ and NYC aren't as biased as people in other parts of the county.

I have many friends who work in top clubs in NYC they make literally thousands a night and they are black! And not Hally Berry or Beyonce looking black women I'm talking about women who look like Naomi and Gabriel Union (darker skinned). They are some of the most popular girls at the clubs they work at (Penthouse, Hustler, Scores, Ricks etc). It's all about attitude and also the demographic you work in.

If you work in a small town you will probably have a harder time that working in city where you will have alot of customers from out of town. If it means making a 2 hr commute do it. Your pockets will thank you. This thread is so old but it shows there is a problem. You just have to find a clubs that works for you. And also take a hard look in the mirror. Clubs are about fantasy. When I started dancing I was 20lbs over weight and had long extensions. I lost weight and got my hair hooked up proper and literally started tripiling and quadrupling my money! Just like white women who work in top clubs and make top money look a certain way so do we. When you look good you feel good and you attitude will shine. Just my $0.02

thickienikkie
02-19-2008, 07:53 AM
I do agree with Tina about molding yourself a little bit with "white characteristics"
I have a 18 weave jet black, with asian bangs,and caramel streaks going down the front of my face. I always where is long, because hair flipping is sensual while dancing..... I don' have much trouble and my club, but I'm a serious hourglass which is attracting to men, white, black, hispanic. I make most of my money off of the hispanic custys, white, then black actually, if I were to put it from most to least. It does vary on the club, the club I work at has basically hispanic and black dancers. I'm gabriell union's color exactly and I am one of the top 5 dancers.
So try different clubs. You might have to go to another area where their are more ethnicities to further your earning potential. I had to do that. I make on an average night, 400-450 bad night 300, fast night 500-600, and I dance 3-4 times per week. Keep it creative as well, add themes to your dances, spend money on those fits, stand out. Learn to pole dance if you don't really Know how. I work a mean pole.....lol and that's my trade mark as well as my flexilbility. So they'll be so wowed they'll have to tip your ass... sheiiiittt. But don't worry it'll come you sound BEEEAAAUUUTIFUL and I'm sure the body is bangin... so find your club and there is one for you and bring in that bank!

peanutbutter007
03-18-2008, 12:21 PM
I agree with everything everyone has stated. I won't re-hash my post on the "Keeping it Real" thread, but my recent experiences of racism trying to find work after re-entering the industry after 3 years have left a sour taste in my mouth to say the absolute least.

For me, I have to remember that what attributed to my success in corporate America in addition to many other blacks in a variety of industries. Try harder, jump higher, limbo lower, read more, invest more, be smarter. In other words, black dancers will, have and will continue to have success in clubs all over, but sometimes we'll have to jump more hoops than others to get there. Does it suck? YES. But nothing's going to stop me from reaching my goals, not even overt racism. However, that 18-24 inch weave will!! :-) My hair is sooo fine I can't go near a weave...a full wig, longer bob sytle dark brown w/ some lighter highlights works for me.

tasteebars
03-22-2008, 01:00 PM
Im the darkest skin latina at my club and I work in south texas so although this state can be a lil backwards there is a high mexican population. There are clubs here where white women are favored but I have zero desire to dance for those men. I work at a blue collar club so high rollers may not be as common but these guys are not as greedy with me and I make a high average compared to some of the stuff I read on hear. Men of all races love my personality and I am getting better at my job every night thanks to hustle hut. Sometimes the rejection stings a lot when I can see it why Im being rejected but fuck it I know I am beautiful and I would never want bleaching my hair/skin or wearing blue contacts like a lot of models do I love my brown features and there are plenty of men who do also!

Big Texas
06-03-2008, 04:08 PM
Tina I'm just now reading this reply that you wrote WAY bach when, but I can relate to alot of the points you bring up. I primarily danced in the Midwest (OK) and banked with many regulars in a predominantly white club. So now that I am in Houston, I am having to deal with not even being able to get in the front door!!! I have always worn my hair down my back, have hazel eyes (natural), and have measurements more like Serena Williams (at least this is what customers told me on a nightly basis.) I never made much money from black guys and never danced in a booty shakin black club. I always preferred to be the one- of-my-kind, so to speak. My question for you is: what advice or suggestions do you have for finding the right club type with that same customer base when the clubs here that are closest to where I danced at won't even let me in? I have now tried 4 clubs.:-\

queenmadigan
06-05-2008, 01:40 AM
I too am mixed, not with "black" though I am a "brownie". I am a fantastic Makeup Artist and have a very decerning eye for beautiful attributes in women (obviously also because I've spent the last 7 yaers of my life as a dancer/ as well as "sizing-up the competition" Hormones and Hustler aside, from an esthetic point of view (I'm also and Aesthetition, hairstylist, costume designer, body painter, feature perfomer, pole-champion, and one of the top grossing females in my club as well as the owners #1 - no I'm not bragging, merely building my credibility) For "All of us darkies"- Colors, Reflective Materials, Metallics, Rhinestones, Glitter (oops! I first spelled it Clitter ;o Shimmer, Sheen -but NOT OIL!!!- Regular body/ skin exfoliating, Lotion (water-based ONLY i.e. Aveeno/ Cetephil Lotions, Lip Gloss, Cream/ Metallic blush, Bronzing Powders, Shiny Hair Accessories/ Pasties (go on your nipples w/ SPIRIT GUM- Krylon brand is best) All costume attire w/ sequins, Feathers, Props, and finally Lights.. Yes, that's right- flashing, blinking, stobe, twinkling LIGHTS! on your clothing, hair, shoes, rings, neck, hat, belt, NOT PURSE! and of course there is also the option of carrying one- or two around with you (which I do for my dances - usually club candles- but DO be very careful not to burn your hair or someone elses for that matter, keep away from curtains, ect. AND make sure the MANagement doesn't care (so u don't get yelled at!)

Happy Stripping my ALL-so-tan-LADIES!

kittytheflamingo
06-05-2008, 06:26 PM
The two best dancers I ever met in my life were black, and I fell completely in love with them- and so did evryone else. They didn't white-up or dye thier hair or try to fit in, even though they did not use slang. What was different about them was that they Loved themselves.

Stormy had a full 6-7 inch afro, but she'd go on stage to whatever she felt like- hip hop, 80's, country, rock, you name it, and completely get into it. When she danced, evry single eye in the club was rivited on her and she was the highest moneymaker in the club. I was a newbie at the time, I watched everyone to try to learn, so I know she was.

L**** had dreads just past shoulder length with shells woven in, almost never wore make-up and the way she moved, just when she walked, ooooozed sex. I almost got fired several times for losing my head over her (once she got me so fired up I kissed her right in the middle of the club). Once she went into work mode, it was on- every time she walked out of the dance room she was back in there in less than 5 minutes.

Neither of these girls were extras girls, and they BANKED. I can't copy how they did it for my hustle cuz it was thier confidence, which just cant be faked like that. I know for a fact they had stress in thier lives, but they loved who they were, what they looked like, and they loved to dance!

MysteriousMisty
06-09-2008, 01:23 PM
I should probably start off by introducing myself since I'm new to the forum but I just want to jump right into this topic. I haven't read all the replies but I would like to say that I don't feel it's difficult for black women to make money. Its the clientele. I dance in Vegas and I make money of Asians, whites, some hispanics, etc. I'm often puzzled when black girls insist that Asian men don't like them because I believe men of every race can be attracted to a variety of women. If she's hot, that's all that should matter. The only time I and other ethnic women have difficulty making money is when rednecks invade the clubs. This usually happens when the rodeo is in town or during nascar. Otherwise just keep in mind that when you're having a hard time making money, it's not you. Its the clientele.

I also want to add that even in a place like Las Vegas, racism is still practiced at some clubs. OGs only recently began hiring black and dark skin latinas. I've heard bad stories about Sapphire's playing the race card game. It's a pretty stupid thing for them to do when the fact is: men come from all over the world to see all kinds of beautiful women. Not just blondes and Asians. Common sense tells most of us this but no one ever said racists were known to be intelligent.