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gypsy_girlchild
02-15-2005, 12:06 PM
Djoser!!! Well said!
I wanted to agree with RD, but I didn't know how to without contradicting myself...
Well, RD you got many many opnions, whether we all agree with each other they are out there.
Now, I do know of a dancer that received genital worts from another dancer. The first dancer lent out an outfit to the other dancer w/out knowledge that genital worts were involved. I don't know if it was a pair of shorts or a thong w/ the outfit, but either way, that is one thing that you don't want to bring home.
Well, I don't lend out my thongs to anyone, but I know a few dancers that do, it's not a smart thing, but it happens. Are they to blame when they catch something? Yes and no. Yes, because they should realize that sharing underwear is wrong (and we need to think of these garments as underwear) and No, they aren't to blame because they didn't know that something like this would or could happen.
Ignorance is bliss sometimes, but then a few times it will make you itchy and red.
CrescentLuna
02-15-2005, 12:16 PM
My only problem with this thread is there is a lot more emphasis on how she got herpes, sleeping around while married with SC employees, rather than the actual safety issue involved. I don't like it, it comes off more like "and it makes it doubly wrong for her to be endangering us because she was immoral!" than either a safety concern, or a concern for club working environment. Coworkers who blab about every issue in their personal life are bad for business everywhere. Coworkers who blab about other coworkers personal life are even worse, which is how most strip club gossip goes anyway.
If you do have an STD, be aware of it and try to make a safe working environment for your coworkers. This also means your coworkers should be aware of their own safety, not just for herpes but for any sexual health issue, do you really want raging yeast infections going around work? Bleh.
gypsy_girlchild
02-15-2005, 12:27 PM
Lol, luna... I once worked at a club where ring worm starting worming around.. Yikes! I never got it, but a dancers kid got it from her and she flipped out. I don't know too much about ring worm, but by the way she acted I don't want to either.
Another time, an athlete's foot epidemic went around because dancers were dancing without shoes on stage. One dancer got it in her knee... odd, right? Well, that ended the barefoot divas..
I agree we shouldn't talk about the lives of others unless they directly affect us.. Which is a swisty road.. I've lost a few regulars because dancers felt it was their duty to tell my business (it wasn't std related, thank goodness) and a few began to "date" the customers and felt that also made it okay.
I guess it's hard not to judge. I try to treat as I wish be treated and bite my tongue as much as possible.
But I'll still give a few opinions and examples where I can say, yeah, that happened to me too.
RetiredDancer
02-15-2005, 03:43 PM
Ah! I remember when the barefootness ended at the club in Alaska. It is for safety and health reasons after all. And as for continuing the post..I will go ahead and say thank you to the people who had something pertaining to the post to share, not just saying over and over the facts needed to be learned, Im this and that, ect ect. Perhaps if someone has questions about working with someone with an std, they can take a peek here and get more insight on it.
Glamazon
02-16-2005, 12:05 PM
RD may be coming on strong, and not demonstrating much sympathy for the dancer, but she was acting irresponsibly, and RD never mentioned her name, the name of the club, etc.
Also the post that she started the thread with was asking a question, not just making a judgement:
"My question to you guys is..do you think it is ok for someone who has an std they would be able to pass to work in a club? Would any of you girls work there if they did?"
I don't want to cause more trouble with this reply, I just want peace in the Forum, please...
The question posed in the very first post was answered by me as well as many other members in this thread. The emphasis on education (and not education on the current rumors;) ) was part of my reply. I do agree, D, that this one gal's behavior and similar behavior is the basis of alot of club gossip as well as problems with management, etc. But I will not judge her on her choice of sexual partners, married or not, as well as her choice on when to have them. Sex in the club is a different story and this certain person should not have been working in a club where she was making nude, skin to skin contact. Reading up on the FACTS of STDs would have shown this was my stance.
Lizette
02-16-2005, 02:53 PM
My only problem with this thread is there is a lot more emphasis on how she got herpes, sleeping around while married with SC employees, rather than the actual safety issue involved. I don't like it, it comes off more like "and it makes it doubly wrong for her to be endangering us because she was immoral!" than either a safety concern, or a concern for club working environment. Coworkers who blab about every issue in their personal life are bad for business everywhere. Coworkers who blab about other coworkers personal life are even worse, which is how most strip club gossip goes anyway.
If you do have an STD, be aware of it and try to make a safe working environment for your coworkers. This also means your coworkers should be aware of their own safety, not just for herpes but for any sexual health issue, do you really want raging yeast infections going around work? Bleh.
I agree with CL on this one. A person with an infection should take precautions so as not to infect anyone else. I wouldn't cough on anyone if I had a cold. If I had genital herpes, I wouldn't rub my cooch on a customer. With infection comes responsibility.
I wouldn't have a problem working with dancers with herpes or HIV. I would hope that they are careful to protect others. Those viruses are very fragile and die in air. I don't worry about them.
I distrust most of my coworkers so I take measures to protect myself from other STIs. I go overboard by cleaning the pole with a Lysol wipe before I use it. I grind with body parts that are covered. Usually, I use my shin. I never sit on dressing rooms chairs because other dancers sit on them NAKED. Ew.
RetiredDancer
02-16-2005, 03:19 PM
Lots of dancers in clubs, for some odd reason, sit in chairs naked. Do they not know any better? Or not care?
Glamazon
02-16-2005, 03:51 PM
Lots of dancers in clubs, for some odd reason, sit in chairs naked. Do they not know any better? Or not care?
This is a practice that I have personally never engaged in. It is not for protection from STDs, but from getting my vaginal area exposed dirt, grime, glitter, and bacteria that can potentially cause infections such as UTIs and BV. I used to do the towel thing, but now just don't sit without some kind of layer between my bare vagina and the chair. When I would use a towel, all of the girls I work with knew to move it before THEY took a seat on MY towel. I also do not engage in using other girls' bottoms or them mine unless they have not been used since their last laundering. It seems to me that these practices should be common sense, but few follow them. Oh well, I feel that I have potentially saved myself from visits to the doc, so it certainly makes me feel better. ;)
RetiredDancer
02-16-2005, 05:48 PM
I always had bottoms on before I sat in chairs. There are so many germs that can hide in the plasticky pleathery ld couches too. Bleh. HAH, that reminds me, I remember there was one girl at the club in alaska, she was one of the first ones that started working there, beautiful nice girl..guy wanted a ld and so she took him to get one, he ended up puking on her leg..I would have been pissed and let him know it. Im sure she did though.
Lizette
02-16-2005, 09:49 PM
I have heard a case where a dancer contracted Molluscum Contagiosum (http://www.ashastd.org/stdfaqs/molcon.html) and scabies from her club. Her coworkers had the same afflictions. Molluscum appears to be herpes but goes away after some time and doesn't come back. This is why I will not use the chairs and I clean the poles.
I looked at other STIs on this site: http://www.ashastd.org/stdfaqs/index.html Everything else (except for bacterial infections) does not seem contagious in a clean work environment.
charlygirl
02-17-2005, 02:00 AM
I left my last club because I heard a girl in the chnaging rooms talk openly about her problem with genital warts that keeps recurring to the housemom. It put me right off nude clubs where you know guys will always try to put a dollar as close to your crotch as possible to try to touch you.
Its disgusting. If I knew a girl at my club had Herpes id be washing myself down so often id get through a bar of soap a night.
charlygirl
02-17-2005, 02:02 AM
Basically if you know you have an STD and carry on working at a club, it means your selfish as hell, only give a damn about yourself and your pocket and have no regard for the safety of other. I dont care if half the population of the world has it, the have a duty, just like those with HIV to protect others from getting it.
RetiredDancer
02-17-2005, 06:34 AM
For some reason, dancers that have stds -usually- do not care if they pass/could pass the infection to someone else..I think in their mind, it is just so closed to the fact of them thinking they cant pass it, and they dont give a shit because they are making money. Most of them simply do not care, or dont think they are endangering someone else. And about housemoms..I know some of them can be helpful, but most of them are dancers. IMO, clubs with housemoms should either have a rule that a housemom is not allowed to dance, or just have regular mgt. Thats just me though.
Bridgette
02-17-2005, 06:58 AM
I agree dancers shouldn't be housemoms and vice versa. They should either be a boss or be a dancer but IMO it leads to too many problems to try and do both.
RetiredDancer
02-17-2005, 10:15 AM
It really does, and that was one good thing about the old club I worked at..they simply had mgmt.
devilkitty
02-18-2005, 12:50 PM
For some reason, dancers that have stds -usually- do not care if they pass/could pass the infection to someone else..I think in their mind, it is just so closed to the fact of them thinking they cant pass it, and they dont give a shit because they are making money. Most of them simply do not care, or dont think they are endangering someone else. How do you know that?
VenusGoddess
02-18-2005, 08:06 PM
For some reason, dancers that have stds -usually- do not care if they pass/could pass the infection to someone else..I think in their mind, it is just so closed to the fact of them thinking they cant pass it, and they dont give a shit because they are making money. Most of them simply do not care, or dont think they are endangering someone else.
I do not agree with this statement. I think, first of all, that there are infected dancers who DO care about passing anything...and they make sure to take off during outbreaks...whatever.
I think you are "over-generalizing" and "stereotyping" by the statement you made above. You may have seen 1 or 2 dancers with the attitude you described above, however, that hardly qualifies that EVERY dancer who has an STD fits that model.
naughtynaomi
02-19-2005, 02:37 AM
I think the "over-generalizing" also has to do with the type of club a dancer has worked at. I am NOT advocating stereotyping by any means, but I can honestly say that, for the nude clubs in the area where I work, RD's statement has some truth to it. And, save moving rather inconvienently to a new area to work the classier and better run clubs, sometimes a dancer has to put up with working with people (dancers and managers alike) who are not concerned with the welfare of others. Either that OR, if it is really that disturbing to her, quit dancing. Granted it is unlikely that someone can catch an STD from another girl, but...sometimes it is frightening to know there is that tiny, miniscule risk.
So, after rambling...if it concerns you (and I know RD that this is in the distant past for you, but...hey.) just take precautions to protect yourself. And, again, since earlier in the post it was being stressed over and again to take into consideration the situation of the dancer in question, also take into consideration the fact that not all clubs are created equal. Sometimes people take for granted that all clubs have intelligent girls and caring (or at least competent) managers.
VenusGoddess
02-19-2005, 09:06 AM
Ok...this thread has run it's course.
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