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DeepGreen
02-08-2005, 05:20 PM
:-\ Wow, what a depressing thread. Even as a customer, I agree that there are a number of male (customer) members whose posts can be annoying, repeated, and overly opinionated. However, I must admit to being shocked by the sheer strength of the animosity expressed towards anyone who happens to be male and a SC customer.:-\

I've had lots of seemingly friendly and honest interactions with ladies on this site, and have been told that a variety of my posts were helpful--which made me very happy. I'm sure there are guys who do better, but I try my best. It makes me sad to suddenly realize that there are many out there who are largely repulsed by the presence of all (or certainly most) men here. Maybe it's time to just pick up my toys and go home...:'(

LilSweetVixen
02-08-2005, 05:29 PM
ahh come on ;) people are stressed. ever seen a woman in a delivery room? she'll kill her own husband if prompted.

Lilith
02-08-2005, 05:47 PM
I've always been one of the staunchest supporters of the male posters, both blue and pink versions. I'm no fan of universal gender discrimination of any stripe. Sad though it may be, I agree with Adina. The men who hung out here used to strike me as not so bad but now most of them should be leaping for joy that I don't have access to the ban button. Even a few months ago the men would mostly contain themselves to chatting us up in the Lounge, giving input in Hustle Hut or Customer Conversation and posting- for the most part- supportively everywhere else. Now it seems like the place is inundated with a bunch of yahoos getting their kicks out of repeatedly maintaining that we aren't ever allowed to complain. I doubt there is much to do about it though. The ignore feature could be made limitless but any dancer who doesn't ignore these jackasses would enable them to hijack the threads. We could learn to restrict ourselves to posting in Dancer- or Ladies' Only, but then what's the point of the rest of the forums? My vote goes to a mass verbal bitchslap at any male whose post contains even a whiff of "get over it".

DSUsb19
02-08-2005, 05:56 PM
Wow, never realized us customers were so hated. I've never and would never tell a dancer to "get over it" or anything like that. However, I can see your frustrations, and will give my best effort to lay low from now on. :'( It's been fun.

LilSweetVixen
02-08-2005, 06:04 PM
My vote goes to a mass verbal bitchslap at any male whose post contains even a whiff of "get over it".

I think that's the best way to deal with it too.

Adina
02-08-2005, 06:04 PM
Now it seems like the place is inundated with a bunch of yahoos getting their kicks out of repeatedly maintaining that we aren't ever allowed to complain.

That; and the yahoos who claim to know everything about everything. That, and those who've never had much skill with the opposite sex, or social skills, period, and are very angry that they have to pay for attention. That, and talking to women as if they were talking to children.

For many, it's free or reduced-cost form of titillation to converse with, and often annoy, women in the adult industry, when in real time and real life it wouldn't be possible . The fact that all the guys are over here, and not over on the blue site (and notice there aren't many chicas banging down the door to post over there) is telling.

Honestly, when Katrine started the thread months ago, I was kinda bummed out at first, because there are quite a few guys I like here. But then I read through people's responses and I realized they did have a point. And it's worse than ever now, like a swarm of gnats in the face. It's bound to happen with the success of this site. I am not sure what the solution is. I don't want to be like the Gender Gestapo, so I've made my request in Site Issues to increase the number of people you can put on your Ignore list. Right now it's capped at 12 - I think 50 sounds about right.

And there ARE some cool dudes on the site - some I didn't even know were dudes until they posted here saying "C-YA." I'm not Valerie Solanis and I don't want all of you to leave en masse, just post where it's relevant and appropriate. Like Customer Conversation and The Lounge.

Sh*t, I really wish I *could* name names, because how much do you want to bet it's the very same members who are pissing off 99.9% of the ladies? Of course, in their minds, they're "educating" those of us "in denial." Bah.

tampafldancer
02-08-2005, 06:18 PM
oh adina:-[ is it really that bad? you sound burned out.



its not that bad...

I enjoy the posts from men on this board.

trolls are trolls, male or female.

Lilith
02-08-2005, 06:18 PM
Honestly, when Katrine started the thread months ago, I was kinda bummed out at first, because there are quite a few guys I like here.

Sure. A partial list (PARTIAL, don't get your knickers in a wad if you aren't named) of my favorite guys would be Afx, Lestat, Doc, Fishnet, FBR, Sporty, Sandy, Casual Observer, Jay Zeno and Monty. Most post frequently on the pink side; some, I wish would post more often. It's a fairly varied list, too, so it can't be said that I like only clit-kissing wussies. Even so, I am finding it very difficult to play nice with the influx of clueless boy wonders mentally masturbating their superiority complex. I'm also wondering why we have to play nice all of a sudden; it used to be that firing volleys at the strippers warranted return fire (hell, people used to fetch Bridgette for that very purpose).

Djoser
02-08-2005, 06:57 PM
Of course, in their minds, they're "educating" those of us "in denial." Bah.

Yes, this is especially galling.

As bad as it gets sometimes, just be glad that some of these blue site guys are staying out. Like the guys who keep claiming to regularly get free VIPs, for instance, and brag about paying more for drinks than they just did to lick p*ssy or get a handjob.

This goes beyond denial, into the realm of pure fantasy. Unless you are a coke dealer, maybe.

If somewhat draconian measures ensure that pricks like these stay out of here, and that other, less offensive guys are not a source of irritation, I'm all for it.

Maybe it sounds extreme to some of the guys who are not guilty of pushing the boundaries, but I like the idea of this forum, especially "Stripping General", being for dancers only, with occasional input by guys who also work in the industry.

Mr Hyde
02-08-2005, 09:07 PM
At the risk of sounding insensitive....or something...I don't know...those of you who are not liking the guys are letting a few trolls paint the rest of us with in a bad light. As TFD says, a troll's a troll. All of us guys are not trolls.

I do understand wanting to have a sanctuary...but there's a ladies only board here. I barely even look at it anymore, and I'm sure most guys are the same.

If a majority of the dancers/female posters on SW wanted to axe the guys from the site, I'd probably bail, but I'd miss coming here. There's a lot of cool people whose posts I really enjoy reading.

velvet
02-08-2005, 09:41 PM
Sure. A partial list (PARTIAL, don't get your knickers in a wad if you aren't named) of my favorite guys would be Afx, Lestat, Doc, Fishnet, FBR, Sporty, Sandy, Casual Observer, Jay Zeno and Monty. .

bad lilith you forgot moneywise... love ya MW

Wwanderer
02-08-2005, 10:01 PM
Any comments on this post

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?p=474205#post474205

from a semi-parallel thread in Customer Conversations would be welcome - here, there or by PM.

Also, on a different topic, it occurs to me that if all the pink side guys who do not like the tone/atmosphere on the blue side moved there en masse, we could change it to something more to our liking.

-Ww

Magdalena_666
02-08-2005, 10:41 PM
Now I really did not want to get involved in this post:D
however I just wanted to say that several of my fav. people here are men so I am not really bothered by the men on here. I just skip through the post of those whom I feel have nothing really to add or who are''negative''.

The only thing that does bother me is the fact that several of the men on here have admitted to frequenting 'ladies only' which in turn makes me reluctant to post certain things.

However, I just coulden't imagine SW without Mojo,Jayzeno,doc,CO,A-guy,silverback,djoser,sonicbones,mr.christopher and a few others whose name I can't rememer at the moment.

Just my 2 cents:)

Lilith
02-08-2005, 11:49 PM
In another section, there's some dancers complaining, perhaps quite rightfully, that there's too much male intrusion on the board.


I have the impression (but am not sure) that there is a sort of ethos of female "support groups" that they should function in this way...should be sure sources of positive feedback.


Forest for the trees, gentlemen. It seems to me that, rather than some genetically wired mystic feminine code-speak, it is a far simpler matter of butting one's opinion in when it wasn't requested and offered nothing by way of support. For example:



The recent thread about the girl that ended up on ESPN, at first it was all "that's so wrong" "they needed a release" "sue there ass" "don't worry they will roll over and settle" When myself and others took a different veiw, said the situation was more a new broadcast and that we didn't think she had a case because she wasn't damaged and explained why we thought that, we all the sudden became coldhearted bashers who think all strippers are lying sluts, and now it's "I don't want to hear any more".

I did not ask if I should sue nor did I request legal assistance- it was quite clearly noted that I was hiring my own attorney. Unsolicited legal advice of questionable veracity coupled with the assumption that the only possible reason this might piss someone off is that Daddy might see the clip and yell at them for being a bad, lying little girl is neither helpful nor supportive.


When one doesn't "get" the nature of the forums and takes it as free reign to show off their brain pan and perpetuate a stripper stereotype (surely people must know better on a stripper site) and then sulks that we don't appreciate the unasked-for opinion, it is a distracting pain in the arse end. Such behaviour is crass whether you're talking to a stripper or your Grandma- and if you doubt me then try giving Granny unsolicited advice along the "get over it" line and see how she reacts. Are the male posters doing this more often than the female posters? I believe so, and it may come from some machismo desire to show off in front of an almost exclusively female audience. It is also more annoying coming from men. We put up with enough crap from men at work; we certainly shouldn't need to get another dose on "our" site.

bigteninch
02-09-2005, 12:12 AM
after reading Pamela's post about the typical shit, I can see why it might get very annoying.

Personally I think the mods do a good job of maintaining a sense of civility for the public forums. I really would not be bothered too much if this place shut out males, I found this site while searching for a particular song, and am not at all wrapped up in a stripper world kind of mindset. Sure my - whatever she is at this moment to me - former stripper held some small interest, once this site was found, but at the same time, if she was a teacher I will not be going off looking for and seeking out a teacher's support site.

I have received a lot of insight from the male community here and to consider what this place would be without "the guys" would in my mind be sad, very sad. After the "true men" leave, this place would only have the 13 year old boy set seeking facination and of course "pics".

No I don't need that, so I won't be changing genders and returning with a new introduction (pink) just to satisfy my yang to yin ratio if the door shuts.

As far as the blue goes, it does not have the slightest draw for me. I read a couple posts there, and I don't have much in common with the mindset - it is not me. I think it was said here best with a post talking about mileage and all the rest of the crap, yeah to me it's crap.

I found out kind of early by posting against policy, and was very patiently and kindly given the direction to happily coexist. Most of the time, I end up reading a couple of threads that are genderless, enjoyable, and apparently don't require a stripper mindset. Some of those have a way of capturing my interest and while entertaining have enlightened me in areas of interest.

As far as the chick factor, I have found that the ladies here have been nothing but helpful, and kind enough to not ignore me and answer some of my silly questions that run circles in my mind ad nauseam. In general, many of the non-job-specific threads have bits of insight in them that relate directly to real life.

I have been using chat vehicles since about 94, and the interest level varies, but to me, this is all very real. It is as real as it gets. I have watched relationships change, mutate, and develop that crossed many miles and continents. I have also used a specific support site almost exclusively for real support, and when I met individuals F2F, I felt as if I knew them and already had a certain bond. Now, that support site was not at all intended to foster any male/female interaction, in fact it specifically discourages it, but you know what - bottom line is you put a bunch of people in a room and they will all have their own agendas.

I still believe that a thing that is intended for card carrying members only needs to be enforced. Perhaps vBulletin is not easy to modify to allow access by object parameters, but I doubt that. So I wonder why, ladies only isn't. I see the topics post on searches. If I really wanted to I could trip right in and read away. I don't. I am not a lady, and "ladies only" to me does not mean - ladies only and a voyeur....

When stripping was stripping or whatever that weird title is is another of those places that does not hold facination for me since I don't strip. Again, because some of the postings appear in search and from what I recall, the display is not very friendly about informing me that this particular thread is "that title previously mentioned". For instance, a search - and I am talking about new posts here - will put the forbidden fruit before my eyes but not tell me that it is poison. I think it could be better. If really supporting strippers is the end goal, after all, why have guys occationally post out of ignorance when they don't know the thread is WO, and create some stress for the people seeking to support one another who find themselves confronted by the vary object of the source of their discomfort.

Let's imagine this site with 100000 members worldwide. How much effort will it take then to provide the gentle kindness that exists today in the policy structure supported by the mods. I think it would turn to utter havok, esp. when the "troll set" find it to be extremely entertaining because it returns so much turmoil for so little work.

cheers,
eddie

if you think im weird....... - I thank god for my uniqueness every night!

EDIT: oh and by the way, I remember reading somewhere about how the benefits of MOD have "special access" to a mod only thread(s) or portal conference point. Now, I don't see any of my searches returning that fodder, so it seems like, if you can do it for mods and give them a truly private place where only that group have access, you can do it for gals. By the way, while I am ranting, there is no way this site is worth the kind of money, to me, that membership begs. I think that the current pricing structure is way too outrageous for something that does not fall into a business fee for me based on the value of it's return. I would consider tossing a few bucks since it is an interesting site to me today. 10 x 10,000 =100,000 not much but 10 x 100,000 = 1M which certainly could cover BW costs, but to me 100 x 10,000 = 1M is asking me for too much support for the attitudes that sometimes float around in here...

stant
02-09-2005, 12:18 AM
...but the "get over it" comments, et al are NOT needed nor wanted. ...





Obviously this is directed at me, and I wonder how much of the other ire here is. Allow me to apologize to anyone I've offended and respond. I'll try not to be too long winded.

In short, what was intended as a supportive comment, athough a cautionary tale, was I believe widely misinterpreted. My comments are not intended as advice, nor represented as such. My comments are merely my opinion based on my professional experience, posted in a open public forum. I believe the topics of privacy and intellectual property rights to be among the most important debates in the post-9/11-internet age. Your traumatic experience is an example of how such rights are increasingly disregarded by the public, and the law.

First of all, to anyone who feels they have been wronged, my initial advice has never been nor will it ever be "get over it". That is patently insensitive, and for one, such as myself, supposedly interested in correcting injustices, fairly moronic.

Let's start my offending comment:


The fantasy of harassing a billion dollar media company to settle anything is laughable. Hire only an attorney willing to try the case against Dis*** top shelf trial lawyers to a jury verdict. Only this threat and good facts will work for you.

Or ...you could just get over it. ;)

The jury point of view.....don't ever forget it.

Laws are not dictum in this country. Strict constructionists and fine print fetishists notwithstanding.

If you all feel something really shitty happened here, I see that as a starting point. I'm still unclear how Lillith was damaged and how to quantify it, but I like a good lynch mob mentality.

In retrospect, this comment was hardly a model of clarity.


Here's the translated version:

"If you plan on attacking a giant, use every weapon you have and fight to the death, otherwise you might as well wimp out now."
"Giants do not give up because they feel harassed. They give up only when they are about to lose."
"Juries are predisposed against claims that don't involve babies getting maimed. They are tougher than you think."
"Laws are available for spin control in front of juries."
"I trust the human instinct for injustice, and I see lots of cries of injustice here. Run with this."

***
I think you all face some extraordinarily difficult situations in your professional lives that your peers cannot imagine, and I never did until joining this site. I don't know squat about your profession, but I have a fair amount of experience fighting corporate evil doers. I would never encourage anyone to give up a fight against an evil doer.

On the other hand, not every fight is winnable, no matter how righteous the cause. An important factor behind this injustice includes a widespread insensitivity on the part of the public ("get over it") to harm with which they have difficulty empathising. If at the end of the day you will win nothing and prevent no future wrongdoing, is a financially and emotionally draining fight worth the effort?

If my opinion leans towards the pessimistic, I'm not doing you any favors by lying to you. The reverse is also true.

Of course I'm not the only poster referred to indirectly in this thread. For those male posters that feel unreasonably slighted by this thread I have one thing to say:

get over it. http://graphics.hotmail.com/i.p.emwink.gif

Ashara
02-09-2005, 02:03 AM
WOW,Is that what that things for!lol!Well there you go!,Not that I will use it or anything.People say silly things at times but who am I to judge them on their carelessness,Nobody's perfect,and besides,I'm happy to be hhere in the first place so I don't let things get to me and take it with a grain of salt!Have fun all!

I tend to agree with Tiamaria. I don't know, I think I might be out of step with everyone here, and to be fair I haven't spent a huge amount of time here unlike some of the rest of you, but if I see posts that are annoying, condescending or just plain irritating I just ignore them until I find a post or thread that I'm interested in. I think it's good to have some views from non-dancers and males as well as dancers in some situations - sometimes gives a different (outside) perspective on things. The beauty of the internet is that (unlike talking in a group in RL) we can completely ignore what someone's said in a thread/conversation if it's annoying. If the person continues to be annoying then we can report him and have him kicked out. Or her. ;D

I just think we might be getting overly drastic by banning every male because of the bad behaviour of a few, that's all. I hope nobody takes offence to what I said, it's just how I feel. :)

VenusGoddess
02-09-2005, 04:41 AM
Obviously this is directed at me, and I wonder how much of the other ire here is. Allow me to apologize to anyone I've offended and respond. I'll try not to be too long winded.

That was not what I meant with my "get over it" example. I simply meant that there are many guys here who have the attitude that dancers/strippers should put up with all kinds of bullshit just for the fact that we are being paid. Very seldom does a rant happen without some insensitive, macho, show-off writing "if you don't like it, then quit". Very few others that I know IRL have the perfect job in which going to work everyday is like running through lily fields in the warmth of sunshine. Everyone complains about something, usually. Here, we complain about our jobs...online. It just seems that the guys who have been posting lately are more "offended" that we may be talking about one of them. :shrug:

Maybe it needs to be said again.

Stripping General is for DANCERS. Customers are more than welcome to post in CC or the Lounge, or Pics, Members Only, etc, etc, etc. However, unless you have something really enlightening or constructive to add to a DANCING related post, I would strongly encourage the males who frequently post non-helpful "it's your job" mantras to stick to reading only.

As for someone's comment (can't remember who) who says that we should have a section ONLY for dancers where no one else can gain access. This would be neigh on impossible. On a message board where no one can see you...how would you prove you are a dancer? What would be the requirements for "membership"? It just wouldn't work. What WOULD work is for the men, who are NOT dancers, to respect the fact that Stripping General and Ladies Only, are not for them to post in regularly. Why is that so hard? If you post a comment in support of a dancer's bad night, then fine...but, really, why is it so hard to just let dancers rant without posting indignant replies to that post? It's not personal. So, men...just get over it. ;)

DeepGreen
02-09-2005, 06:00 AM
After looking over posts recently, I can certainly understand where the frustration is coming from...there have been a very large number of "get over it" or "you're spoiled" posts over the last couple of months. It's like in my own job (a professor) people are always telling me how "easy" it is and how "I always get my summers off," etc. Well, I work like a maniac, including summers, and work much harder than most of these folks who claim to "know" how easy my job is. I'm not comparing stripping to being a professor. However, it is annoying to have know-it-all people who don't know very much telling me about my own job. I imagine that exactly the same holds true for dancers, or anyone for that matter.

whirlerz
02-09-2005, 07:25 AM
Maybe I shouldn't be on the board either, as was said on 'L.O>...

Wwanderer
02-09-2005, 08:01 AM
The beauty of the internet is that (unlike talking in a group in RL) we can completely ignore what someone's said in a thread/conversation if it's annoying.

What she said!

Having been around and on net forums for decades now, since before there was a web, discussions like this look very familiar to me. As I think others have noted, they are largely a by-product of the success of the community. Obviously it is not always (or even usually) a gender issue, but as the number of participants grows there tends to be an increasing divergence in what people want from (and on) the site. No matter how it is handled, not everyone is going to be happy, unfortunately.

-Ww

Jayln
02-09-2005, 08:52 AM
bad lilith you forgot moneywise... love ya MW

You have got to be kidding.....
I have read this guy's posts on SCJ, they're absolutely nauseating.

And someone mentioned SportsWriter as being an exemplary customer poster???
LOL...

242_fair
02-09-2005, 10:15 AM
I agree with Jenny 100%.
...But one might wonder, on a sheerly academic level, what these people in particular really get out of this site, and why they post(except of course to re-educate us into our rightful mindsets of deserving/accepting what we get) . I don't actually expect to get an answer out of this . I'm just pondering ....

Amethyst
02-09-2005, 10:59 AM
My $0.02:

I have found most of the male posts here to be valuable and/or entertaining, but the majority of those come from a small percentage of the male population. I would like to see less comments from the peanut gallery, but not sure how to go about preventing them from posting without indirectly "punishing" the posters most of us appreciate.

Could the Admins give male posters with a certain amount of RELEVANT, VALUABLE, SUPPORTIVE (note: supportive does not necessarily mean blind a$$-kissing of every dancers' posts) some kind of membership where they have access to forums like Stripping General, Hustle Hut, Dollar Den, Music Mix, etc... whereas new posters (or those that aren't contributing anything of value) are allowed access to Customer Conversation only? It would be nice to see new male posters given the opportunity to share insight, as they could become our next addition to the DJOser, Blade, AIN_NY, MoJo, Stant etc... posse of what I consider "good" posters, but we seem to be gettting more of the opposite in here, and those guys are few and far between...

Phil-W
02-09-2005, 01:05 PM
Some thoughts from a comparitively new male poster.

(a) There is indeed a gulf of experience between being a dancer and watching. I'll never understand more than a fraction of the frustrations, stresses, hassles, etc., that a dancer has to put up with. I'm on the outside looking in and can only take a best guess at the realities of your job.

(b) I'll try and post constructive and helpful comments. If I offend it'll be unintentional, and I'll never object to the error of my ways being pointed out to me, preferably in a reasoned manner. If an appology for anything that I post is due, then I'll freely give it.

(c) Why not set up a "moderator alert button" accessible only to dancers, so that they can "flag up" posters giving offence to the moderators. I presume it's possible for the system to keep score of the number of dancers objecting to a particular individual. If the number of dancers goes over a critical number, say 15, then let the moderators review that individuals messages and remove his ability to post if justified.

Phil W.

IACali
02-09-2005, 01:12 PM
You have got to be kidding.....
I have read this guy's posts on SCJ, they're absolutely nauseating.

And someone mentioned SportsWriter as being an exemplary customer poster???
LOL...

Hey I like those guys. And most of the others. The male posters that annoy me the most don't even have names to me.... I skim it and move the fuck on, you know?

cali

DSUsb19
02-09-2005, 05:31 PM
I think that most, probably 75%, of the custys in this forum post with nothing but good intentions. I know that's how I am. We have a genuine interest in the business, and who knows, you may be talking to someone who really wants to open a club one day that actually caters to the dancers. Some of us really would like to know the ins and outs, and maybe we can share a few helpful things along the way. A give and take situation. I know I try to do nothing but support. I do understand your fustrations, but at the same time, I never looked at it that way, and I'm sure most people never meant to be pains in the ass.

Jenny
02-09-2005, 05:47 PM
It's like in my own job (a professor) people are always telling me how "easy" it is and how "I always get my summers off," etc. Well, I work like a maniac, including summers, and work much harder than most of these folks who claim to "know" how easy my job is.
Ahh. So. You read books for a living?

Kidding, I'm just kidding. I'm sure you understand that I HAD to do that. There was just no getting out of it.

DeepGreen
02-09-2005, 06:29 PM
Ahh. So. You read books for a living?

Kidding, I'm just kidding. I'm sure you understand that I HAD to do that. There was just no getting out of it.

LOL :D Okay, you got me. I walked into that.... ;)

SportsWriter2
02-09-2005, 06:53 PM
You have got to be kidding..... [about MW]
I have read this guy's posts on SCJ, they're absolutely nauseating.

And someone mentioned SportsWriter as being an exemplary customer poster???
LOL...

Yeah, Jalyn, I know what you mean LOL. I have problems living in a high-contact/alcohol metro area and not drinking. I think/write in sports metaphors (strike two), but I do well with bright sports girls, especially surfers, basketball players and flyers (cheerleaders at the top of stunts).

MW is a good boy, but gurlz keep luring him into 7-11 parking lots.

This thread has helped me understand how much dancers need other dancers (outside their own clubs) to talk with. They need a place to feel safe from attack. I'm impressed that dancers offer good suggestions that come from independent thought, not a group mentality.

I write when I have time and something worthwhile to offer. I like reading comments from people who see things from different perspectives. I always read Katrine, IACali and Lilith at least twice. :)

mermaidnz
02-09-2005, 07:06 PM
cant be assed reading the whole thread ( sorry, internet cafe tho)

ive been living under a rock,and havent even noticed the amount of male support out there. maybe i just been slacking off a bit :)




probably already been said, but..... why dont they make SW a paid site for males NOT in the industry, ie those random customers etc, but keep it free for the djs, male dancers, dancerwealth etc, and those who have been members for x amount of time.


that way we are happy knowing that pryce is able to keep the site running ( and maybe making a well deserved profit) and the guys are happy cos they get to chat with us.
i mean, we get free membership, so to make the site work for everyone it would be nice to "repay" pryce as such, by talking to the boy for free , without throwing stones at them lol


im probably way off track here tho..

Moneywise
02-09-2005, 07:19 PM
You have got to be kidding.....
I have read this guy's posts on SCJ, they're absolutely nauseating.



You know they have pills for that... :P

Seriously, when I originally found SCJ I never set out to be what some refer to as a "mileage hound". I guess a slightly twisted space in the mind combined with a thirst for deviance and a healthy warchest can turn even the most innocent individual into a blue site regular.

Anyways, back to your comment. I'm happy that at least you seem to have an informed opinion meaning you've read some of my posts. They aren't for everyone. I've purposely curtailed the divulgence of my SC follies lately for good reason. I'm not into writing weekly diaries and the excitement of sharing has slightly worn. Yet still, I enjoy the fact that the money in my pocket is under tight control. ;) The only exception is when Katrine is around. All bets are off then.

Moneywise
02-09-2005, 07:28 PM
MW is a good boy, but gurlz keep luring him into 7-11 parking lots.



SW2 is a good boy too. Hey SW2, that was only with Ms J. Of all the TRs that I have written 95% of them only involve 5-6 ladies I have crossed paths with in the SC. They're all lovely ladies in their own right and would most likely say the same about me. I'm a lover not a fighter.

I have the utmost respect for the female persuasion period. Whether a stripper, dentist, mechanic, seamstress, cop, blah blah blah.... I have always had nothing but great respect for women. My mother was a hard working woman that taught me lots by simply getting up and doing her thing every day.

I just love to hit a good SC. That love will probably follow me to the grave. ;D

tampafldancer
02-09-2005, 08:04 PM
Hey I like those guys. And most of the others. The male posters that annoy me the most don't even have names to me.... I skim it and move the fuck on, you know?

cali

yea i like these guys too! Hell, i cant think of one guy i dont like. If they piss me off, i just skip the post.. Which happens very very infrequently. Hell, i think more women posters have made me mad..

tampafldancer
02-09-2005, 08:06 PM
cant be assed reading the whole thread ( sorry, internet cafe tho)

ive been living under a rock,and havent even noticed the amount of male support out there. maybe i just been slacking off a bit :)




probably already been said, but..... why dont they make SW a paid site for males NOT in the industry, ie those random customers etc, but keep it free for the djs, male dancers, dancerwealth etc, and those who have been members for x amount of time.


that way we are happy knowing that pryce is able to keep the site running ( and maybe making a well deserved profit) and the guys are happy cos they get to chat with us.
i mean, we get free membership, so to make the site work for everyone it would be nice to "repay" pryce as such, by talking to the boy for free , without throwing stones at them lol


im probably way off track here tho..



i think they should make it a pay site for everyone, but thats just me ;)

evan_essence
02-10-2005, 05:34 AM
We all know the type of post being alluded to. As a matter of fact, there are so many common elements in the type of post being objected to, let's just develop a form for it so the men can copy and paste it right into the submit window, and it'll be faster to skim right past it. Something like this:

Remember __(A)__, you're in __(B)__. You must __(C)__. If you

don't do that, then __(D)__. What you don't seem to understand,

__(A)__, is that the stripping world __(E)__.

I'm not trying to __(F)__. Instead, __(G)__ it this way. If you were

__(H)__, you wouldn't __(I)__. So be __(J)__ and appreciate

__(K)__.

- A -
1) (stripper's screen name)
2) my dear lady
3) chickie
4) stupid twat
- B -
1) the customer service industry
2) an entrepreneurial role
3) the business of satisfying my every whim
4) this to get laid by a stud like me
- C -
1) please your customer
2) operate like a business
3) fight the urge to claw men's eyes out
4) stop being such an irrational girl
- D -
1) customers will leave
2) you'll be chewed out, fined, then fired
3) your deejays will play the Macarena in your set
4) guys like me will die very lonely
- E -
1) is competing with Internet porn
2) is not lucrative for the meek
3) is no place for a nice girl like you
4) is where ho's is a dyme a'duzzin'
- F -
1) pretend like I know everything because there's no pretending to it
2) sound like I'm telling you what to do even though that's exactly what I'm doing
3) unmask the true contempt engrained in my soul for you
4) reveal myself as the serial loser that I'm known to be in real life
- G -
1) think of
2) meditate on
3) grind on
4) swallow
- H -
1) a true independent contractor
2) a unionized employee
3) shown on ESPN
4) the fatest heifer in the place
- I -
1) barf on your customers
2) be bitchy more than once a year
3) charge half what you're charging
4) refuse to do twice as much as you're doing
- J -
1) a dear
2) a good little entrepreneur
3) an extras girl
4) on your knees now beotch
- K -
1) your true potential in this fun and exciting industry
2) how to lie back and enjoy it because you know you want it
3) my tiny brain, tiny dick and tiny wallet
4) every repetitive and condescending male post that will follow your objection to this post

-Ev

Moneywise
02-10-2005, 05:49 AM
Hey I like those guys.
cali

I think I speak for the majority of the blue siters when I say a resounding we like you too IAKali. Your NATOs are always insightful and fun to read with just a perfect tad of raunch. }:D


yea i like these guys too!


I feel the love! ;D


let's just develop a form for it so the men can copy and paste it right into the submit window


That's hilarious! There you go pink site gentlemen. EE has made your job so much easier. She deserves a big thanks.:P


uh oh... I'm instigating. Sorry. :-[

Casual Observer
02-10-2005, 05:55 AM
i think they should make it a pay site for everyone, but thats just me

That would seriously cut down on the riff raff here.

DeepGreen
02-10-2005, 06:04 AM
LMAO... evan_essence :D That's awesome (and while being funny is not that far from the truth in some cases).

Thorn
02-10-2005, 07:37 AM
Now I'm hesitant to post, but.....

I think if dancers here think there's too much male intrusion, then remedies should be looked at. The first one, of course, is an appeal to the boys to be considerate. (Yeah, yeah, I know.)

UGH!

The following is stated in reference to the general notion and is in NO WAY a reflection on JZ, whose opinons I generally hold in high regard.

The owner of the board obviously wanted a place where a dialog between dancers and customers could take place. Otherwise the board would be dancer only.

If what people want is a "foo-foo" board then it's easy enough to start one. Why appeal to Pryce to change the one place we can be candid with each other and maybe actually learn a thing or two in the process?

And by the way, just for the record, when I speak to dancers as equals and don't sugar coat my opinions and am more then willing to listen to what they have to say in return with an open mind, considering their words before I do any critical thinking and come to an opinion, that is the very definition of respect and being non-condesending.

Disrespectful and condesending, where I come from, is where people tell you precisely what you want to hear. Especially when it has to do with your gender and because they want you to like them so that they think they have a better chance to get into your knickers.

Thorn
02-10-2005, 07:56 AM
it is very, very annoying to wade through the long winded thinly veiled hate/resentment by many guys here.

I am not denying that attitude you reference exists but I don't think its in anyway prevalent. In fact, if I were a dancer myself, I would find much more distressing the far more abundent patronizing attitude of some of the men who are obviously carrying into this forum their club attitudes. You know, the mind set where they don't treat you like an equal but just nod their head at anything you say, without really listening, because they think it might be advantageous vis-a-vis getting around your defenses. That is what would tick me off if I were you.

I admit I might be a bit sensitive to this because I consider myself a target of the misconception that those who are willing to debate points of interest with the dancers present as equals are in some way "dancer haters". I would request that dancers please consider that those of us who simply treat you unbiasly are actually the folks showing you the greatest respect.

Thanks for letting me get that off my chest.

Wishing well,
Thorn

Pamela
02-10-2005, 07:59 AM
Maybe i should not say this, however it does seem fair. Maybe Pryce could try a "pay site." Then we have a yearly fee, 6 month fee to tyr it out etc., and the KIDS stay out, only serious (well if you want to pay and be an ass, that would be up to you, i guess,) people will post here. And only lurkers can read, but not post until they decide they want to pay in, become a member.

I know this site is very huge, and it's getting "some" support it needs, but it needs more. I like the people here, even the guys (that don't hit once with a pm for pictures.)

But a few changes would not hurt. There are already different types of memberships posted.

Pamela :)

Jayln
02-10-2005, 08:34 AM
Thanks for your post Even Essence, that made my morning... ;D

Rhiannon
02-10-2005, 09:09 AM
Ev.. That effin rocked.



i think they should make it a pay site for everyone, but thats just me

Same here, Tampa. I believe that would cut down on a whole lot of BS, and help Pryce and GF out considerably. I know we'd have a hell of a lot less troll invasions if they had to pay first. None would bother with it.

Jenny
02-10-2005, 09:29 AM
Evan - why are you so cool? I want to print out your mockery, frame it and put it on my fridge.

HairGuitar
02-10-2005, 09:31 AM
Ladies Only gets policed very well. Occasionally a few posts may not get caught immediately. That's why the "Report Post" button is there, and why help from Members is needed. If you catch something before we do, report it and we'll fix it.

Thank you Rhiannon. After my earlier reply to this thread, I noticed that button and actually used it, to report one male post in Ladies Only and one that appeared to be a male masqerading as a female, looks like both posts were removed. So all female members should take note, the "Report Post" button is there and it does work, as Rhiannon says "help from Members is needed."



I don't think there's a need for more male Moderators. The male Mods are in non-dancing boards, and that's how I believe it should be anyway. Besides, we have a pretty good mod crew as it stands.

I'm sure that you're quite correct, I was trying to be a little sarcastic to set up the "new forum" idea as a joke:



....start a new forum, something like "Males Only - Pathetic Losers Without A Clue" and move all the stupid posts there? ;-)"

I was just kidding about that, really I think it's best to just delete & ignore them as engaging them in argument is useless. Just like the old saying, "never argue with a stupid person...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Stipperella
02-10-2005, 09:54 AM
This has nothing to do with this post but reading the title all the time makes me want flamin hot cheetos

VenusGoddess
02-10-2005, 10:47 AM
EE...I DID copy and paste what you wrote and print it up!! LOL Too funny!

Thorn, I do not believe that Pryce started the site as a place where dancers and customers can "talk". It was started as a support for dancers (and other industry women/men). The site as you see it now is what it eventually evolved into. It's not bad...but some men seem to forget the whole purpose for the site is for dancers to exchange thoughts, hardships, and gain support. It was not meant to be a place where customers come to "rag" on dancers. For the men who are here and who contribute, of course, you are always welcomed and in a lot of cases, what you say can be very thought provoking and seeing the other side of the coin is always good (wow...massive run-on sentence). Anyways, what it all comes down to is remembering that this site is in support of men/women in the industry. If you do not agree with what someone is saying, that is fine. But, please remember to keep the comments respectful...and remember that this is NOT the place to tell a dancer "where she belongs", she "gets what she deserves", blah, blah, blah. While EE's post about the copy/paste things was funny...let's hope that you all never use it here. If you have a rant about something a dancer said and want support in that arena, the blue balls site is always open. ;)

Thorn
02-10-2005, 12:58 PM
Thorn, I do not believe that Pryce started the site as a place where dancers and customers can "talk". It was started as a support for dancers (and other industry women/men).

Well, I have only been aware of the site since Feburary of 2003 and wouldn't pretend to know Pryce's mind on the issue. I suppose we could ask him?



Anyways, what it all comes down to is remembering that this site is in support of men/women in the industry. If you do not agree with what someone is saying, that is fine. But, please remember to keep the comments respectful...and remember that this is NOT the place to tell a dancer "where she belongs", she "gets what she deserves", blah, blah, blah.

And I hope you have taken note that none of my comments have ever fallen into any of those catagories. I have disagreed with some folks, even refusing to give quarter sometimes when the comments made have flown in the face of reason and common sense, but never suggested, ever, that dancers should be treated as anything other then people. And no person deserves to be treated badly, or unfairly. It happens... but that isn't the same thing.

No, my comments were in regard to a small faction of dancers who treat those of us who have the audacity to challange their statements as "haters". The attitude presented by this small handfull of individuals is that of: "Just listen to what I have to say and then agree with it. Because you couldn't possible have anything to say on the issue. You aren't a dancer and are thus clueless as to anything having anything to do with what I am talking about!"

I just wish this group of people would understand that those challanging their statements are, frequently, those who are treating them as people first and not just T&A.

It is easy to brown nose, but it doesn't mean you respect someone. In fact, most of the time it means just the opposite.

Madcap
02-10-2005, 01:02 PM
Way to go, Thorny. You just extended this thread about six more pages.



Clever post evan_essence.