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FONDL
03-12-2005, 10:59 AM
I'm also the only guy in my neighborhood without a riding mower. The interesting thing is that mowing my lawn by hand doesn't take any longer because I have so many trees, so I essentially get a good workout without spending any more time than if I used a riding mower. It's like a free workout. I'm also the only guy in my neighborhood who shovels snow by hand, and I have the longest driveway in the neighborhood. It's a great workout, but don't try it unless you're in shape.
One other thought occurs to me. Why is it OK to form opinions about people based on their height, which they have no control over, but not their weight, which most people can control? Ask most young women what they admire in a guy and their first word will often be "tall ..." Ask me what I admire in a woman and I'll say "lean and fit." So that makes me shallow but the ladies who admire tall aren't? Seems to my that height says nothing about who a person is. But your weight says a great deal because it reflects thousands of decisions that you've been making for years. And what better way is there to find out who someone is than to look at the decisions that they've made in their life?
Jenny
03-12-2005, 11:20 AM
you know, I have never met a girl (except for two very tall girls who were used to looking down at guys) who would say that height is particularly important. I mean, I think girls would first say "good looking" (although many wouldn't, because it is such a given - I mean, who goes out looking for someone NOT good looking?) and the variety of other traits - intelligent, rich, funny, etc. I very rarely would hear girls say "tall" - let alone say it first. But, if you are asking, yes, I think that girls who form negative opinions of guys because they are short are being shallow and ridiculous. A lot of guys say "fit" about a girl, but what they almost inevitably mean is "slender". That's fine, in a way. I mean, nobody is trying to force them to date a girl they don't want to date - it's just that some people may question the methods they use to judge people. I think a great deal of this thread has been devoted to telling you that a person's weight or body fat ratio is NOT a good way of judging them, even in terms of their health/fitness let alone in terms of their life decisions. Personally, I don't even think being fat makes you ugly. One of my roommates is fat (she wouldn't describe herself as fat, but honestly, I do think she is fat) but she is still stunningly pretty - not just "pretty in the face" or "pretty if she lost weight". Just really, really pretty. And she dates fucking beautiful men who evidently don't think that "thin" is the end-all, be-all of pretty. Or, you know, if they do, they are making weird life choices.
Anyway, you can date/get dances from/find attractive whoever you want, based on whatever criteria you want. That's entirely up to you. But making judgements about a person's character based on weight is seriously questionable and stating that you don't have to extend respect to someone because she/he is fat is more questionable.
By the way - in the (admittedly few) corporations and companies I have worked for, I haven't noticed that fitness is running at such a premium, except in low and menial jobs - even then, it is less about fit and more about "pretty." A secretary/admin will go further if she is slender and pretty. I haven't noticed directors, chairs and VP's being judged on their fitness particularly.
Katrine
03-12-2005, 03:13 PM
I like five-three and 102 pounds in dancers. I've done stunts with that size ever since high school. But it's below the minimum recommended weight for females of that height. Mary Kate Olsen on cocaine.
You'd probably spit on me if you saw me in the club. I'm around that height, like 5'3.5" and like 15 pounds heavier. I shouldn't get on this site in a bad mood.:'(
FONDL
03-12-2005, 03:13 PM
One of the things that got me hooked on fitness is an experience I had a number of years ago when I first started winter vacationing in Florida. If you've spend any time in FL, you know that you see tons of retired folks wandering around just about everywhere you go. But you might also notice something about them - there seem to be two distinct groups, those who are clearly full of energy and enjoying their second childhood, and those who are hobbling around with walkers or are in wheelchairs not having nearly as much fun. You might also notice somethig else, that the first group are generally a lot thinner than the second group. I know this is of no interest to young people, but at least for me this was a real eye opener.
Jenny, I'm not talking about respect or lack of it for people who I know, I'm talking about first impressions, and I'm sorry if I haven't made that clear. I try to show respect to everyone regardless of size or shape until they give me a good reason to change my mind. We all have our own criteria upon which we form a first impression of someone we meet. In my case fitness is fairly high on my list, others have a different list. But what's relevant here is that when I go to a strip club I usually have to make my choice based on first impressions; I don't have time to get to know every girl in the place. The fit girls have a real advantage with me.
I worked for three different very large international corporations. Almost without exception the senior officers were all tall and very fit physically. That may not be typcial but I bet it's pretty common. I once had a secretary who was over 300 pounds - she was not only very good, she was also a very nice person, and I had a lot of respect for her. She probably would have been an executive secretary if she wasn't so heavy. She was also starting to have a lot of health problems, even though she was quite young. Her weight was clearly causing her problems and holding her back.
Moneywise
03-12-2005, 03:44 PM
By the way - in the (admittedly few) corporations and companies I have worked for, I haven't noticed that fitness is running at such a premium, except in low and menial jobs - even then, it is less about fit and more about "pretty." A secretary/admin will go further if she is slender and pretty. I haven't noticed directors, chairs and VP's being judged on their fitness particularly.
Here Here! ;)
All you have to do is experience a few Jenny to develop an understanding of the corporate cross section. I'm amazed that I am actually in agreeance with you on something. Who woulda thunk it? :D
mr_punk
03-12-2005, 09:26 PM
But nearly half of their girls are seriously out of shape and over weight, and that really puzzles me. Is this ypical everywhere now?why is that such a surprise? a significant number of this county's population is obese and young people (which would include strippers) make up a fastest growing percentage of that group. plus, in this PC age. it's bad to point out to people that they need to lose weight even to those who make their money off of their image.
Baseball players are overweight, Football players are overweight,
sure, if you're using the BMI scale. according to it, nearly half of the NBA is overweight as well. i believe, the BMI takes only height and weight into consideration. it doesn't take body composition (the ratio of lean muscle to body fat.) into account.
I'm talking the biggie here - MONEY. If your boss came to you and said, for every pound you lose I'll give you a 1% raise, I bet you'd be the skinniest guy on the block within a month. That's the issue I'm talking about for these gals.i don't see that happening. unlike say a beverage server in a casino. there is no incentive for a stripper to maintain, lose weight or even think about fitness due to a lack of outside pressure because:
1)she can still make money. keep in mind, she isn't in the back room printing up money. someone is buying those dances. perhaps, customers are getting used to seeing or are attracted to plus size strippers and as a result....
2)unless a stripper is grossly obese. the sc is the last place where a woman will get an consistent opinion about her weight. the guys who like thin strippers will think she needs to lose weight. the guys who like plus-size strippers will think she's looks great. of course, even if she is overweight. she's probably thinks her weight is fine because those guys are buying the dances. a slobbering PL will do wonders for a strippers confidence. so, why lose weight?
3)she can still get hired. today, management is mostly concerned about stage fees and alcohol sales and quanity rather than the quality of the product itself. it's just today's business model. so, unlike..say..a fashion magazine editor. management is not going to be concerned with telling strippers to go to the gym or get liposuction. besides, why invest the time considering the amount of turnover in the business. it's simply cheaper and easier to replace her with a new stripper. in any case, why not hire a zaftig stripper? if she sells dances...fine. he's got her stage fee. if not..well..he's still got her stage fee.
I was trying to make two points at the same time: that I prefer dancers who are fit, and that fitness is part of a healthy lifestyle.and there's nothing wrong with judging a stripper on her physical appearance. while, i may not have an eye for faces. however, i do have an eye for bodies and IMO many strippers tend to have average bodies rather than the hardbodies that is the result of working out and since most of them tend to be young. i hope you realize that most of them are "getting by on youth" rather than a healthy lifestyle.
By the way - in the (admittedly few) corporations and companies I have worked for, I haven't noticed that fitness is running at such a premium, except in low and menial jobs - even then, it is less about fit and more about "pretty." A secretary/admin will go further if she is slender and pretty. I haven't noticed directors, chairs and VP's being judged on their fitness particularly.i'm sure recently forced out CEO carly fiorina would tell you that performance is the most important quality. however, i'm sure the board of HP took her combination of good looks, her skill for marketing and her performance record into consideration when looking to hire a new CEO, who is in part, the image of the company. so, it is important to project the right image to one's peers, clients and superiors and looking "fit" is just part of that image. many corporate executive undergo plastic surgery among other things in order to project that image.
FONDL
03-13-2005, 01:43 PM
MP, I totally agree that many girls are getting by on their youth in spite of a crappy lifestyle. But that will catch up with them eventually.
Many of you have noted that some customers prefer overweight girls and I agree, I've seen that myself. But as I said in my initial post, it's been my observation that the girls who look fit (even though they may not be healthy) generally get more tips when they dance on stage than do the heavier girls. Hasn't anyone else ever noticed this? Am I wrong? Nobody has commented on this statement, which leads me to believe that it's true, and that heavier girls don't make as much as their slimmer counterparts. Which was my initial point. From which I concluded, rightly or wrongly, that heavy girls could increase their income by losing weight and getting in better shape.
Incidently, I'm close to being overweight too if you only look at BMI. The quickest way for me to lose weight would be to stop working out and lose muscle. But that would make me less healthy, not more.
FONDL
03-13-2005, 07:00 PM
JZ, I don't expect anyone to be perfect or even close to it, that's an unreasonable goal. But it doesn't take much effort to get into reasonable shape, especially when you're young. And when you're job is to be a professional dancer ... is this really such a difficult concept to grasp?
Anyway, years ago I used to suffer from back problems, I often missed work and sometimes was laid up for a week at a time on muscle relaxants and couldn't get out of bed. I also used to be ill for most of the winter every year, seems like I was sick every Christmas through February, never really feeling 100%. Since I lost weight and started taking fitness seriously, I haven't had any back problems in 10 years and I almost never get sick anymore. So I figure the time I used to spend sick in bed I now have free to spend at the gym. I feel 20 years younger than I did 10 years ago and I'm in better shape today than I was in college. Works for me.
yoda57us
03-14-2005, 06:23 AM
JZ, I don't expect anyone to be perfect or even close to it, that's an unreasonable goal. But it doesn't take much effort to get into reasonable shape, especially when you're young. And when you're job is to be a professional dancer ... is this really such a difficult concept to grasp?
FONDL: None of us are having any trouble grasping your concept or your message. We just aren't neccesarily agreeing with you. People are gonna do what they are gonna do.
FONDL
03-14-2005, 07:39 AM
I understand that, Yoda, I'm just being argumentative because it's my nature. I think we've beat this subject to death - some of us think dancers should be in shape, others disagree, no problem. What I found especially interesting about this thread is how few dancers participated. I was surprised by that , not sure what it means.
So how about if I change the direction of this thread, how about if those of us who are interested in fitness post some of our favorite tips and those who don't care don't have to bother reading them. I'll start it off, here's my no. 1.
Turn off the TV set. I personally think that excessive TV watching is the number 1 reason for the decline in fitness in the US. Not only does TV result in physical inactivity, but most people combine TV watching with munching on junk foods, and junk food is my number 2 reason for poor fitness. So by turning off the TV you actually attack both #1 and #2. So what do you do with the extra time? You could go for a walk or go to the gym. And here's a bonus - not watching TV will also help your mental health. Studies have shown that people who watch TV regularly are more pessimistic than people who don't. Studies have also shown that there's a strong correlation between hours spent watching TV and weight. (Source - "Men's Health" magazine.)
Nicolina
03-14-2005, 09:55 AM
As one of the few dancers who's put in my two cents here, let me just add: There is a cultural aspect to customer preferences for various dancer "looks". I know it's a stereotype and everything, but it's one that I've found to be based in truth: I was often popular with black men because I have a prominent ass, no matter how thin I get. Italians and Greeks liked me, too (I think there tend to me more "ass men" among these guys.) White guys of northern European extraction seemed to be more likely to be breast men or leg men. I know I'm way over-generalizing here, and I don't mean to offend anyone.
I'm just saying that I've found that some men like a girl with more meat on her bones and/or a different shape, and that these preferences may be correlated with cultural/ethnic background...It's just another reason that dancers of various shapes and sizes are able to do well at any given club.
Again, I'm not arguing with you that fitness is a good thing. I'm just offering explanations, from a dancer's perspective, as to why some girls may not feel the need to slim down or tone up. If they're getting compliments and dances from a solid customer base, they'll probably assume that they don't need to make any major changes.
And btw, I don't understand why the girls stay upstairs...I love you guys! :) (really you guys aren't so bad--I think I may be raunchier than the lot of you put together... :O)
Nicolina
03-14-2005, 10:02 AM
Also, FONDL, you said yourself that "fit" and "thin" aren't synonymous. Any girl who works as a dancer more than 4 nights a week is probably fairly "fit," even if she doesn't look particularly thin or toned. It's a physically demanding job (or at least it was the way I worked it ;)).
hardkandee
03-14-2005, 10:03 AM
And btw, I don't understand why the girls stay upstairs...I love you guys! :) (really you guys aren't so bad--I think I may be raunchier than the lot of you put together... :O)
:yes: I like it over here too!!
FONDL
03-14-2005, 11:22 AM
Nicolina, I agree that different guys like different body types and I have no problem with that. For example I think JLo is about as perfect as you can get but according to some people her butt's too big. I dislike skinny dancers as much as fat ones. You make another good point - how can girls dance 4 nights a week and still be out of shape? That's part of what puzzles me, seems to me that if a dancer works hard when she's on stage or even in the LD room she's going to be in pretty good shape. But I think some of you work a lot harder than others. We've all seen girls who barely move when they're on stage. So even when their job would seem to require it, some people are going to slack off. As others have said, that's just human nature, aka being lazy.
Here's my second tip - cut way back on baked goods made with refined flour, eg. cakes, cookies, crackers, white bread. They make you hungry because they're digested too quickly, plus they're often loaded with sugar which compounds the problem. When you eat simple carbs that digest quickly, your blood sugar goes way up, your body fights back, and then your blood sugar crashes, which makes you hungry. You want to keep your blood sugar at a fairly even keel, which means eating things that digest slowly. Eat carbs that are complex ones like whole grain products, fruits and veggies, rather than simple ones like sugar and most commercially baked goods.
Katrine
03-14-2005, 04:33 PM
Thanks for your tips FONDL. Luckily, most women are quite aware of what to do to be in shape physically, especially young women and dancers. Pick up a woman's magazine and you'll see what I mean.
When I got hired at the St James, the manager showing me around told me that they are pretty strict in hiring for night, then asked me to notice a few dumpy girls walking around. They weren't fat, but they were out of shape. He told me that since the club has a free buffet every night, girls get hired looking good hit that buffet every night 4-5 times a week, then spend the rest of the evening drinking. Thus, after a year, they begin to look bad, but have built up a regular clientele and do not have incentive to work out.
Plus, that club was known for its extras, so most men become less picky when their eyes are closed and the girl is between his legs sucking away...........
Moneywise
03-14-2005, 06:14 PM
So how about if I change the direction of this thread, how about if those of us who are interested in fitness post some of our favorite tips and those who don't care don't have to bother reading them. I'll start it off, here's my no. 1.
Turn off the TV set. I personally think that excessive TV watching is the number 1 reason for the decline in fitness in the US. Not only does TV result in physical inactivity, but most people combine TV watching with munching on junk foods, and junk food is my number 2 reason for poor fitness. So by turning off the TV you actually attack both #1 and #2. (Source - "Men's Health" magazine.)
I disagree with this assessment of what our greatest reason for decline might be today. I believe the draw of computers and the internet is fast on the heels or has already blitzed tv as the single most common detractor from focusing on daily fitness.
According to a Nielsen study of internet access penetration in US homes they discovered that a whopping 3 out of every 4 homes has internet access. Internet access penetration was described as the percentage of people with access to the internet, though not necessarily logged on during any specific timeframe. That 75% in 2004 marks continued steady growth from 66% in 2003 and a major burst from where we were back in 1998 with 26% penetration. (I like that word penetration :D )
You can now also go online from a laptop via your cell phone connection. How much more convenient can it get to become sedimentary? IMO this all contributes to the fossilization of our society as the imprint of our onions on our computer seats will one day be used to determine important historical information about our generation. ;D
Moneywise
03-14-2005, 06:21 PM
For example I think JLo is about as perfect as you can get
I can find absolutely nothing in the above quote to disagree with. }:D
FONDL
03-14-2005, 06:41 PM
MW, I agree that the internet and other forms of technology are overtaking TV but I didn't get into that because my post was already getting too long. My point is the same, turn off whatever is keeping you sitting down and go for a walk or something.
There doesn't appear to be any interest in sharing fitness tips so I'll stop unless someone shows some interest. I guess you all already know all this stuff, and no one here is being fooled by fad diets. One final tip: when I raise this subject in strip clubs girls always seem to be interested, it makes for some very interesting conversation. And I often find the level of knowledge to be pretty lacking, but then I realize that the people here aren't typical of the people I meet in strip clubs.
yoda57us
03-14-2005, 06:50 PM
One final tip: when I raise this subject in strip clubs girls always seem to be interested, it makes for some very interesting conversation. And I often find the level of knowledge to be pretty lacking, but then I realize that the people here aren't typical of the people I meet in strip clubs.
FONDL: If you where buying us drinks and spending money on us trust me, we would all be fascinated.
SportsWriter2
03-14-2005, 07:38 PM
You'd probably spit on me if you saw me in the club. I'm around that height, like 5'3.5" and like 15 pounds heavier. I shouldn't get on this site in a bad mood.:'(
How did I miss this sad post? My favorite ITC hottie is five-four and 117. :)
FONDL
03-15-2005, 11:09 AM
Katrine, you sound perfect to me, you're just about my ideal size. My ATF is 2 inches taller than you and 20 pounds heavier, but you'd be hard pressed to find any fat on her and you'd guess her weight to be a lot less than it is. So if anyone is thinking I like skinny, guess again.
I've found this thread to be very interesting. I had no idea that my preference for fit dancers would be so controversial or unusual, especially among the guys. I thought I was stating the obvious when I said that I expected a professional dancer to be in shape. Different strokes for different folks.
yoda57us
03-15-2005, 06:29 PM
I'm sorry, but when I pay to see a girl dance I expect her to be in at least as good a shape as I am. If she doesn't respect herself enough to take care of herself properly, why should she expect customers to respect her?
FONDL:I think you realy need to examine what you posted throughout this thread and what we responded to. If all you said was that you like fit looking dancers that would be fine.
You have a right to spend your money on whatever kind of dancer you prefer. I don't think anyone would argue that and I don't think it's a particularly unusual or controversial point of view.
My problem is with the statement above. Once you start making value judgements on dancers based on their appearance you are no better than guys who say all dancers are money grubbing whores or all customers are PL's. If you see a fat dancer in a club, all you are seeing is a fat dancer. You don't know anymore about that woman's life than you do about the skinny one who is dancing next to her.
Moneywise
03-15-2005, 07:03 PM
I was sitting beside Yoda when he posted the comment above this one. Therefore, I am at one with the Yoda.
FONDL
03-16-2005, 10:20 AM
Yoda, the only value judgement that I'm making is that I think dancers should take fitness seriously. I don't care if my checkout girl at Target is fit, and I don't care if my waitress at the Outback is fit, fitness has little to do with their job performance. But fitness has a lot to do with a dancer's job. I'm paying to watch girls dance and if they are out of shape it seriously detracts from their ability to dance well and also from my enjoyment.
When I say that customers often don't tip the out-of-shape girls as much or treat them with as much respect, that's an observation, not a value judgement. And that observation leads me to believe that a lot of other customers agree with me about dancers and fitness. I agree that fitness has nothing to do with whether or not they are nice people, I know many very nice people who aren't fit. All I'm trying to say is that in my opinion someone who makes their living by dancing professionally should take fitness seriously.
yoda57us
03-16-2005, 05:10 PM
If she doesn't respect herself enough to take care of herself properly, why should she expect customers to respect her?
FONDL: If calling it an observation instead of a value judgment makes you feel better that’s fine. Either way you are making an assumption about a woman's character based purely on what you see. We are not talking about weather you want to spend money on her or not.
You do a lot of whining about being misunderstood and insulted on this board and on the pink side but quotes like this one above make it fairly obvious to me how this seems to keep happening. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but when you say something that purposely insults a person or a group of people you have to expect people to take exception to it.
miabella
03-16-2005, 05:29 PM
fondl's area of the country is vastly different to mine, where being out of shape/overweight can often get a girl more stage tips and private dances (and i'm not including extras in the equation at all). it totally depends on the customer base for a given club or night. where i work at, for example, plenty of big girls (some size 16-18) do well on stage and getting dances, sometimes better than thinner or more fit dancers. as far as i can tell, it's all pretty random once you factor out for hustling ability. wow, so this is my first post at the blue site. whee.
wow, so this is my first post at the blue site. whee.
Good to have you...we really enjoy the gals posting here ;D
FBR
Moneywise
03-16-2005, 06:39 PM
wow, so this is my first post at the blue site. whee.
Please do come again. ;)
Miss D is (according to her) about 15 lbs over her optimum weight. Who cares? :P ;)
Right now, she getting settled in at her hotel in SF....some damn educational conference. Dang, I miss her...I always hit the club on Wednesdays :-\
OK, Im done whining. Guess I need some stealth LD's at another club to get me over the hump :P
FBR
FONDL
03-17-2005, 07:53 AM
Yoda, I know you think I'm only focused on weightonlly but I'm actually talking the whole healthy lifestyle. When I wrote that sentence about respect, I was actually thinking of girls who get really drun k or high in clubs, which we've all seen. Don't you lose respect for a girl when you see that? Or is that being overly judgmental?
My ATF lives near a very nice beach and when I visit her we like to run on the beach. She's very friendly and when we pass other people she always gives them a big smile and says hello, and she's gotten me into the habit of doing the same thing. But we've both noticed something funny - other runners will always return the smile and the hello as will most walkers. But when we pass someone who is really out of shape they will often just give us a dirty look or turn their backs and ignore us. She says that's because we make them feel guilty and they resent us for it. She says that people who are out of shape are often very defensive when it comes to the subject of fitness. I think she's right.
Yoda, I agree with you that I sometimes tend to be overly blunt and insensitive, especially when writing in a format like this (I'm not like that in person) and it's something I need to work on. I think it comes from trying to make a point without getting overly verbose and I'm not very good at that. But I think some of the other people here are overly defensive on the subject of fitness and need to develop more of an open mind on the subject. You may be one of them. What say we both try to be a little more understanding of the other's point of view and not be so quick to criticize?
SportsWriter2
03-17-2005, 05:07 PM
But we've both noticed something funny - other runners will always return the smile and the hello as will most walkers. But when we pass someone who is really out of shape they will often just give us a dirty look or turn their backs and ignore us. She says that's because we make them feel guilty and they resent us for it. She says that people who are out of shape are often very defensive when it comes to the subject of fitness. I think she's right.
I dunno. Maybe people who are out of shape have higher sensibilities. Maybe they know hot older guys shouldn't be running with hot young girls. :O
Seriously, though, I get the same mix of looks with my surfer girl. You can find fear and loathing almost anywhere. :)
Jenny
03-17-2005, 06:30 PM
Yoda, I know you think I'm only focused on weightonlly but I'm actually talking the whole healthy lifestyle. When I wrote that sentence about respect, I was actually thinking of girls who get really drun k or high in clubs, which we've all seen. Don't you lose respect for a girl when you see that? Or is that being overly judgmental?
FONDL - if I may quote the pertinent post in its entirety:
How many of you ladies would pay just as much to see the Chubbydales as you do to see the Chippendales? Watching a chubby guy dance is just as erotic, as long as he has a good personality? I don't think so. Every male stripper who I've ever seen looks like he just stepped off the cover of some fitness magazine. He probably couldn't get hired if he didn't. Do I percieve one of those double standard thingys here? I'm sorry, but when I pay to see a girl dance I expect her to be in at least as good a shape as I am. If she doesn't respect herself enough to take care of herself properly, why should she expect customers to respect her?
How do you get drunk or high out of this? To me it seems pretty clear you are referring to fat, not drinking.
SportsWriter2
03-17-2005, 07:24 PM
How do you get drunk or high out of this? To me it seems pretty clear you are referring to fat, not drinking.
I've seen way too many dancers drink themselves out of shape. You see multiple unhealthy behaviors as they slide into the subculture. :O
The body converts excess calories to fat, and there are a lot of calories in alcoholic beverages:
Calorie content of common alcoholic beverages
Although alcohol itself doesn’t contain fat, it is packed with calories. And when you add in mixers – juice, sugar and other ingredients – the calories really can add up.
Beer: Non-alcoholic beer actually has the same calories as alcoholic beer: 148 calories in a pint. If you drink a light beer – like Bud Light – you’ll only take in around 99 calories per pint.
Wine: Dry wine contains fewer calories than sweeter wine. For example, a glass of dry wine has about 106 calories and a glass of sweet dessert wine has a whopping 226 calories. If you drink a glass of wine before dinner, another glass with dinner and a sweet wine for dessert, you've added more than 400 calories to your meal.
You'll be glad to hear that champagne contains the same amount of calories as other dry wines, 106 calories per glass.
The hard stuff: The calories in gin, rum, vodka or whiskey depends on the proof, which is twice the percentage of alcohol. For example, 90 proof vodka contains 45 per cent alcohol; 100 proof contains 50 per cent alcohol. And it’s easy to guess which has more calories: The higher the proof, the higher the calories. Here’s the damage:
Double shot 80 proof contains 97 calories
Double shot 90 proof contains 110 calories
Double shot 100 proof contains 124 calories
Calorie content of other types of liquor varies greatly. Watch the really sweet stuff, though. A serving of schnapps has 108 calories, and crème de menthe will set you back 186 calories.
Mixed drinks: Obviously, the larger the drink the higher the calorie content. If your favourite watering hole serves pond-sized margaritas, you can easily drink more than 400 calories (without the crisps and guacamole). Choose a smaller cocktail like a Cosmopolitan and you’ll only take in about a third of the calories. In a common serving size, here’s how many calories your favourite drink contains:
Bloody Mary: 115 calories (the celery adds less than five calories)
Gin and tonic: 171 calories
Pina colada: 262 calories
Whiskey sour: 122 calories
yoda57us
03-17-2005, 09:07 PM
Yoda, I agree with you that I sometimes tend to be overly blunt and insensitive, especially when writing in a format like this (I'm not like that in person) and it's something I need to work on. I think it comes from trying to make a point without getting overly verbose and I'm not very good at that. But I think some of the other people here are overly defensive on the subject of fitness and need to develop more of an open mind on the subject. You may be one of them. What say we both try to be a little more understanding of the other's point of view and not be so quick to criticize?
You can post as many cute examples of how much better it is to be in shape as you want. I don't care because that is not, has not been, and will never be what I am talking about here. Every other poster on the planet seems to be able to comprehend, why can't you? No one here is being overly defensive about anything to do with fitness, weight or any other physical condition. If you where talking about drunken strippers you should have said drunken strippers. Furthermore, weather you or I or any other customer respect a dancer or not doesn't give you or I or anyone else the right to determine that said dancer doesn't respect herself. If I am being overly sensitive about your blanket statement insulting all dancers who don't fit into your height/weight ratio chart well, I can live with that.
This is an open forum. We all post our views. When I agree with yours I think I do a fine job of saying so. When I don't agree I try to do an equaly fine job of doing that. You need to stop falling back on this crap about people being "defensive" or needing to have "more of an open mind". Say what you've got to say and just stand behind it. Other posters will not always agree with you so if you aren't prepared for that I simply don't know what to tell ya'. As far as missunderstanding you goes, well, all we can do is read your posts, we can't read your mind.
Jenny
03-17-2005, 09:51 PM
I've seen way too many dancers drink themselves out of shape. You see multiple unhealthy behaviors as they slide into the subculture. :O
Sure, okay, whatever. But what FONDL was referring to was clearly not related to alcoholism. Liquor can make you fat - not news. But saying that post really meant that he lost respect for drunk strippers is insulting to all of our group intelligence (such as it is).
Katrine
03-18-2005, 12:40 AM
When I smile and say hi to all of the runners and walkers when I jog around town lake here, many of them(male) will turn around and start following me. Often the scowl on the face is a good mechanism to keep focused and not be harrassed.
........returns to eating gummy peaches.
SportsWriter2
03-18-2005, 05:04 AM
When I smile and say hi to all of the runners and walkers when I jog around town lake here, many of them(male) will turn around and start following me.
This is why a hot older gentleman like FONDL is in demand as a running partner. It's just more fun to run happy.
........ returns to eating Special K with real sliced peaches. :)
FONDL
03-18-2005, 07:46 AM
Actually when we're together people always assume that my ATF is my daughter, which we always find very amusing. Once a couple young guys asked her if I was her father and she said, "no, he's my sugar daddy." It was very funny. If only it were true ...
Anyway, to return to the topic at hand, she would strongly agree with my statements about dancers and fitness, in fact many of those opinions I got from her. When she started dancing she was out of shape, and the first thing she did was join a gym and change that. In fact she eventually took all the necessary courses to become a personal fitness trainer. When she started out I was her coach, now she is mine. That's her nature, when she decides to do something, she does everything she can to be the best she can be. I admire and respect her very much for that. I admire and respect anyone who does that.
Katrine
03-18-2005, 05:46 PM
So this entire thread really isn't about fitness is it FONDL? I believe the title should be, "let me brag about my ATF". Hey, more power to you, seriously!
Stripping does put the pressure on an ambitious girl to be in good shape. I can attest to that.
......returns to eating grilled chicken w tomatos and cucumbers.
doc-catfish
03-18-2005, 06:38 PM
When I smile and say hi to all of the runners and walkers when I jog around town lake here, many of them(male) will turn around and start following me. Often the scowl on the face is a good mechanism to keep focused and not be harrassed.
I ran cross country in high school, and half of the girls team would beat me in practice. I don't mean every so often, but every day. The view from behind was at least a brief consolation prize until they were too far ahead. Ahh, the memories.
:P
...returns to eating mashed potatoes, and Cheetos.
Moneywise
03-19-2005, 10:06 AM
This thread was not about what FONDL tried to hypnotize us into believing it was about after having taking a strongly biased stance on fitness and his interpretation of it. I'm glad FONDL found fitness in his life and was also opened up to a wealth of opinions on this very topic. It builds character.;)
...returns to eating my bowl of fruit loops while anxiously awaiting the marination of the chicken and steak I will be tossing on the smoker this afternoon and enjoying later amongst friends. :P
Moneywise
03-19-2005, 10:08 AM
My fitness for the day? I'll be taking Frazier for a good long nature walk in a few minutes. YAY.
FONDL
03-20-2005, 01:31 PM
"Let me brag about my ATF." -- Katrine.
Busted, guilty as charged.
"A strongly biased stance on fitness ..." -- Moneywise. ("bias - an opinion ... that strongly favors one side in an argument ...")
Again, guilty as charged. In case there's any question about what I think on this issue, let me quickly summarize. I think dancers should be fit*, it's part of their job. I think everyone can benefit from taking fitness seriously, and I tend to have a more favorable opinion of those who are willing to put forth the effort to do so. I think a fit person tends to make a better first impression. And in general I think fit people have an edge in the business world. Some of you probably agree with me and some don't. It's your body, do what you like. All I ask is that you be aware of the consequences.
*I'm defining "fit" in this context to mean living a healthy lifestyle, including getting regular exercise, eating a well-balanced diet, and avoiding excessive use of alcohol, tobacco or drugs.
FONDL
03-23-2005, 12:23 PM
There was an interesting article on MSN earlier this week, which I think was excerpted from USA Today. Anyway the article summarized the findings of several recent studies about fitness and the workplace. Two conclusions were that overwieght people earn significantly less than do their slimmer counterparts, and that overweight people experience significantly higher medical costs. It also indicated that while 60% of Americans are overweight, fewer than 10% of business executives are.
yoda57us
03-23-2005, 12:53 PM
FONDL: I don't find any of those statistics surprising but I don't see how it realates to strip clubs. I'm having trouble understanding what Bill Gates' BMI has to do with how much money a good stripper can make. Personal preferences aside, if fat dancers didn't make any money, there wouldn't be any fat dancers.
Katrine
03-23-2005, 06:18 PM
Oh, btw, I am very fit and healthy looking. My height/weight are in perfect proportion and my body fat is not gym bunny, but it is very good for a girl my age. I live probably one of the unhealthiest lifesyles you can think of for a civilian, but pretty average for a stripper; lack of sleep, poor diet, intermittant excercise, heavy drinking and smoking, reckless recreation...........but dammit I'd leave a fine looking corpse if I died tonight......
Point?? This can't be bragging, as above is quite self-deprecating......but my customers really seem to assume I take care of myself, beyond just their standard asskissing..........
yoda57us
03-24-2005, 06:00 AM
Point?? This can't be bragging, as above is quite self-deprecating......but my customers really seem to assume I take care of myself, beyond just their standard asskissing..........
Interestingly, I find it's not that hard to fool customers. I've mistakenly assumed more than once that a fav must spend hours in a gym every week to look the way she does only to find (through actual customer/dancer conversation) that the closest she comes to a workout is getting up from the couch and walking to the kitchen to get the ice cream at 3am.
Jenny
03-24-2005, 06:45 AM
There was an interesting article on MSN earlier this week, which I think was excerpted from USA Today. Anyway the article summarized the findings of several recent studies about fitness and the workplace. Two conclusions were that overwieght people earn significantly less than do their slimmer counterparts, and that overweight people experience significantly higher medical costs. It also indicated that while 60% of Americans are overweight, fewer than 10% of business executives are.
something I find a little disturbing is that you seem to have the attitude that "the fatties deserve it" instead of recognizing it as unfair and discriminatory.