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mr_punk
07-26-2005, 09:49 AM
Serious question here, because I'm apparently missing out on a guy mindset on this one. What's the attraction to fantasizing that a woman you're paying for sex is your girlfriend?it's sounds like you're talking about "GFE". grrr...don't get me started on that subject. the term is so subjective and has been so bastardized that it's lost all meaning.

Only an RIL or extreme PL believes that a stripper is his girlfriend in the club. Everyone else pretty much knows her interest is in direct proportion to her compensation, and you guys may call one of us an ATF but not girlfriend.you might be giving the average PL way too much credit.

So is the girlfriend moniker more of a euphemism than a fantasy? originally, it was never a euphemism for fantasy because it was never about fantasy in the first place. at the time, it was more or less a shorthand way of describing a certain level of service (DFK, DATY, BBBJTC). however, since it was co-opted by sc (why it was co-opted by sc is beyond me) and there's more of an emphasis on fantasy rather than actual service. you can see why guys value a stripper who seems to be all into him.

Plus he tells them weird shit, like "I love you" and they say "I love you" back - creepy if it's just sex for money.<shudder> major, major creepy.

Derek
08-05-2005, 01:53 PM
That's odd. I always thought selling a fantasy was designed to leave something to the imagination.

Serious question here, because I'm apparently missing out on a guy mindset on this one. What's the attraction to fantasizing that a woman you're paying for sex is your girlfriend?

-Ev

Great sex - the strippers I date OTC (by helping them financially) really like to give me good sex. Its like a cheat in a video game which lets u bypass a number of steps.

I date strippers ITC and OTC for sport, entertainment, and fun. An anology - u can c sandlot ball for free but u have to pay to c an NFL game. So I like to go to NFL games.

doc-catfish
08-05-2005, 05:49 PM
I would luv a whole thread without Amy.
I would love a whole thread with just you and Amy for entertainment purposes, but I'm not sure the moderators would agree.
:wife: :male:


Great sex - the strippers I date OTC (by helping them financially) really like to give me good sex. Its like a cheat in a video game which lets u bypass a number of steps.
Ahh, now we have the Playstation analogy.

SportsWriter2
08-05-2005, 06:12 PM
Ev: "What's the attraction to fantasizing that a woman you're paying for sex is your girlfriend?"

Derek: "Great sex.... Its like a cheat in a video game which lets u bypass a number of steps."


"I love you" and a little money take you to Level 10 instantly. Every dark secret becomes playable. It's scary, like nitrous oxide in a tuner car. :O

amylynnej
08-06-2005, 09:15 AM
Derek, you do not have dates ITC. It is not dating. You are paying a girl for her time. Just like you pay the dentist for his, the barber or great clips in your case for theirs, and the guy who cuts your lawn for his. Do you date them when you use your service? NO!!!!

Get with the picture, we only care about your money!!!

Derek
08-06-2005, 11:41 AM
I see strippers as surrogate girlfriends whether for ITC or OTC activities. This is openly admitted by them on the prior pages of this forum. As far as my not having class - I am a professional with a graduate degree - MS Accounting. I have a lot of class unlike some of the people here who bash me here with their two faced propoganda.

As I have said before, strippers are cheaper than girlfriends and especially wives in my opinion in terms of what they deliver in what I want. The strippers I have done on regular basis OTC dating (private sessions) have run about 40% - 50% of what it cost to maintain a wife. While you are looking at around $100 for a fun 2 hour ITC drinks, laughs, lap dances (u get to really feel them here in Houston) is a much better deal than spending same on a 35-40 ish gal from your local pig pen online personals who mite not even fuck until u have invested a ton of time and money. I am being polite Amy when I call ITC fun dating - what would do - debase yourself and call it what - a form of prostitution? I do not pay strippers for their time at my table (many of them can not even carry on an intelligent conversation) - they only make money if they give me lap dances where I get to feel them and I mean really get to feel them good!

I enjoy SC activities in sync with my goals of ITC and OTC economy, sport, and relief. Both my ITC and OTC activities are linked together by a strategic synergy. I can understand some of the hostility here from those who have Revenue or Equity interests in Strip Clubs as we seem to have diametrically opposed goals.

Amy, I agree you and I have different goals but I find a lot of your posts very informative as I am interested in what dancers think and feel the same way a hunter is interested in the instinctive behavior of game. I have taken an interest in the forum u started, reading all the posts. While I have no interest to post there, I certainly do see the point of some of your fellow dancers who have taken a difference of opinion with u. Even within your own sorority you seem to have a lot of disagreement. Amy, I am not out to bash u or personnaly attack you but I have no qualms about disagreeing with you.

Jenny
06-12-2007, 02:08 PM
Funk that! Get yourself an independent woman. There are ways to reverse the game. I can teach you the way, young one. Take the red or blue pill! }:D
Dude - he has a woman with whom he is actually happy and loyal to. Maybe he doesn't need THAT much help from a guy who needs to glean emotional fulfillment playing "mind games" with strippers.

accball
06-12-2007, 02:20 PM
I'm just saying you shouldn't have to support anyone (unless you want to, of course). People should be able to take care of themselves.

Jenny
06-12-2007, 02:35 PM
I'm just saying you shouldn't have to support anyone (unless you want to, of course). People should be able to take care of themselves.
I'm sure Jay has been gritting his teeth in silent frustration and resentment for the years of his marriage, and now that you've offered your viewpoint, he will kick his wife to the curb. Thank you for that stellar relationship advice.

FBR
06-12-2007, 02:39 PM
I'm sure Jay has been gritting his teeth in silent frustration and resentment for the years of his marriage, and now that you've offered your viewpoint, he will kick his wife to the curb. Thank you for that stellar relationship advice.

Yeah, Jay PM'd those feelings to me just the other day. I really feel bad that he is so miserable but I advised that he try and hang on a little longer.

FBR

accball
06-12-2007, 04:50 PM
I'm sure Jay has been gritting his teeth in silent frustration and resentment for the years of his marriage, and now that you've offered your viewpoint, he will kick his wife to the curb. Thank you for that stellar relationship advice.

I wasn't talking about his situation specifically. He gave the general GF/SO/WIFE expense breakdown, and I simply think it's too much of a one-way street. If someone is physically able to provide for themselves, then they sure should! I would find it disturbing if someone loved me only for the things I can provide to her.

Docido
06-12-2007, 05:32 PM
The emotional pay offs of a good relationship are priceless. Besides, I think it's a bit crass to talk about it in purely monetary terms anyway.

As an aside, reading old Derek posts makes me giggle like a school girl. :D

xdamage
06-12-2007, 06:16 PM
If someone is physically able to provide for themselves, then they sure should! I would find it disturbing if someone loved me only for the things I can provide to her.

/shrug. The word "only" is extreme, lopsided. It's more like "in part". When you put it like that, would it disturb you that someone loved you "in part" because of the things you can provide? We all have our lists of wants. We make trade offs of course, and it is true that if you can't provide at all that many women will weigh that heavily against you, but really, is that any different then a guy who weighs lack of sex appeal heavily against a woman? Men and woman are somewhat different in what they look for in mates, but they both have in common that have their wants they use to evaluate a mate. It's rarely "only" or just one thing that is a deal maker/breaker.

Jenny
06-12-2007, 10:23 PM
OK, fine. I told her to take her freeloading ass out to the street. She's crying now, banging on the door, and promising to get a job in fast food if I let her back in.

Now what? :highfive: Go Jay! Don't let her in too fast. Make her beg for it.



I wasn't talking about his situation specifically. He gave the general GF/SO/WIFE expense breakdown, and I simply think it's too much of a one-way street. If someone is physically able to provide for themselves, then they sure should! I would find it disturbing if someone loved me only for the things I can provide to her.
Dude, you were talking exactly about his situation specifically. Like why do you think we're talking about his situation specifically? Because you brought it up. Remember this: Funk that! Get yourself an independent woman. There are ways to reverse the game. I can teach you the way, young one. Take the red or blue pill! }:D

accball
06-13-2007, 08:02 AM
I see little difference between the blue side and pink side. What gives?

xdamage
06-13-2007, 08:12 AM
I see little difference between the blue side and pink side. What gives?

There are significant differences such as the pink side is predominately dancer support oriented, and the dancers are mostly women; the blue side is customer enjoyment oriented (not support), and the customers are mostly men. The blue side tends to be far more flaming, and open to heated debate. However, dancers and customers, men and women, do have a lot of common ground or can find it if they want to. Although you'll find extremes on both sites, you'll find plenty of moderate (middle ground) views on both sites as well.

Casual Observer
06-13-2007, 06:24 PM
I'm just saying you shouldn't have to support anyone (unless you want to, of course). People should be able to take care of themselves.

My, how utterly charitable and magnanimous of you...

accball
06-13-2007, 07:22 PM
My, how utterly charitable and magnanimous of you...

I do believe in making someone's life easily. HOWEVER I think providing for oneself builds character and shit.

Vyanka
06-14-2007, 09:06 AM
My girlfriends have always been more expensive than dancers. Always.

Jewelry, handbags, plane tickets, computers, audio/video gear, et al--dancers are much cheaper, even on my worst PL night.

I'd be mad as hell if my man spent more on a dancer than me. LOL. :O

p.s. look who's back, lol.

Casual Observer
06-14-2007, 04:46 PM
^ Thank you. That other sig was just disturbing me...

FBR
06-14-2007, 05:23 PM
^ Thank you. That other sig was just disturbing me...

CO, I thought so too but remained silent. I didn't want to accused of being homophobic LOL

FBR

PrettyCurlieQ
06-14-2007, 05:51 PM
I've definitely made more money from guys in the club than off any boyfriends. Not that I was trying to make money off a boyfriend, but the numbers are not even close!!

Sh0t
06-16-2007, 10:40 AM
Most women are better strippers than girlfriends.