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Yea
03-28-2005, 04:46 PM
God bless her and her family.. she must have been so scared... before the morphine :(

Rhiannon
03-28-2005, 09:06 PM
Hmmm.. This is interesting. Now, Michael has ordered an autopsy to be performed. Guess he's trying to establish credibility now. Too little, too late, Buddy. 15 years too late, to be exact.

Husband seeks autopsy on Terri Schiavo

Fight over brain-damaged woman moves to Washington

Monday, March 28, 2005 Posted: 9:54 PM EST (0254 GMT)

PINELLAS PARK, Florida (CNN) -- Terri Schiavo's husband has asked that an autopsy be performed on his wife after she dies so that a full report can be done on the extent of her brain damage, an attorney for Michael Schiavo said Monday.

Attorney George Felos said the autopsy will be performed by Dr. Jon Thogmartin, the chief medical examiner of Pinellas County.

Terri Schiavo, who hasn't had water or nutrients since March 18, is likely to die by week's end, doctors have said.

Now 41, Terri Schiavo collapsed in 1990 from cardiac arrest and suffered brain damage because of lack of oxygen. She has been in the center of a decade-long legal tug-of-war between her husband and guardian, Michael, and her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler.

Michael Schiavo maintains his wife would not want to be kept alive in her condition, while her parents claim she could improve with intense therapy.

Schindler supporters in Florida and Washington appealed Monday to have Terri Schiavo's feeding tube reinserted.

Bob Schindler spoke to reporters Monday after visiting his daughter at her hospice in Pinellas Park. "She's failing, but she's still with us," he said. "She has to be saved.

"I plead again that the powers-that-be don't give up on her. We haven't given up on her and she hasn't given up on us."

Terri Schiavo's sister said she "is wide awake and very responsive."

"She recognizes me," Suzanne Vitadamo said Monday. "She's weaker but she's still trying to talk."

Felos said he visited with Terri Schiavo Monday and that she appeared "very calm."

"I saw no evidence of bodily discomfort whatsoever," he said.

He said her condition had changed little from his last visit on Saturday.

"Terri's eyes do look more sunken," Felos said. "And her breathing was a little on the rapid side."<~~Gee, ya think? 11 days with no food or water would do that to anyone. HELLO, she's dying, Dumbass.

polecat
03-28-2005, 09:22 PM
Who wants to bet there will be something fishy about the autopsy rules?

Such as "no brain cavity inspection allowed" or "cerebral cortex is to be off limits"

This has been Michael's claim to fame to date. "Brain scans are allowed BUT NOTHING THAT WOULD DEEM HER BRAIN DEAD! NOPE!"

"Evidence is allowed.. BUT NOTHING FROM 50+ SOURCES I DEEM INAPPROPRIATE!"

"Her trustfund is for medical expenses only.. BUT I'M GETTING IT RULED BY GREER-BUDDY I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH IT!"

etc.etc.

I've gotten so used to this guy's methods.. they are utterly predictable. I guarantee complete medical freedom and unbiased autopsy will NOT be allowed.

erotictonic
03-28-2005, 09:41 PM
Who wants to bet there will be something fishy about the autopsy rules?

Such as "no brain cavity inspection allowed" or "cerebral cortex is to be off limits"

This has been Michael's claim to fame to date. "Brain scans are allowed BUT NOTHING THAT WOULD DEEM HER BRAIN DEAD! NOPE!"

"Evidence is allowed.. BUT NOTHING FROM 50+ SOURCES I DEEM INAPPROPRIATE!"

"Her trustfund is for medical expenses only.. BUT I'M GETTING IT RULED BY GREER-BUDDY I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH IT!"

etc.etc.

I've gotten so used to this guy's methods.. they are utterly predictable. I guarantee complete medical freedom and unbiased autopsy will NOT be allowed.

There's def something fishy about it. Either that or they already have the doc set up.

MojoJojo
03-28-2005, 10:55 PM
You all forget... O.J. did NOT do it!

Rhiannon
03-28-2005, 11:19 PM
There's def something fishy about it. Either that or they already have the doc set up.

This is exactly the way I feel about it. They have already chosen a medical examiner, which definitely means something.



Attorney George Felos said the autopsy will be performed by Dr. Jon Thogmartin, the chief medical examiner of Pinellas County.

Terri will not have justice, even in death.

Oh, and this part absolutely has me in stitches:



"We are not going to do anything to hasten or postpone natural death," said spokesman Mike Bell

Pulling the tube that fed her for 15 years is causing her death. Again, she sure as hell wasn't dying before it was pulled.

Hello~Kitty
03-30-2005, 10:32 PM
Who wants to bet there will be something fishy about the autopsy rules?

Such as "no brain cavity inspection allowed" or "cerebral cortex is to be off limits"

This has been Michael's claim to fame to date. "Brain scans are allowed BUT NOTHING THAT WOULD DEEM HER BRAIN DEAD! NOPE!"

"Evidence is allowed.. BUT NOTHING FROM 50+ SOURCES I DEEM INAPPROPRIATE!"



etc.etc.

I've gotten so used to this guy's methods.. they are utterly predictable. I guarantee complete medical freedom and unbiased autopsy will NOT be allowed.



I read today that her husband wants an autopsy to prove her condition so to me that means that brain cavity inspection or "cerebral cortex" inspection will if fact be done.

It is also my understanding that her parents ALSO want her to be examined and that they may have an expert of their choice present at the time of autopsy



They have already chosen a medical examiner, which definitely means something.



It might be fishy if her husband OR her parents got to pick the medical examiner but as far as I know that isn't what happened, the guy set to do the autopsy is simply just the cheif ME in that area, in other words the most quailified ME available for that county.

Is there any proof to the contrary ? If so, I'd be interested in reading it.


Morphine is a standard procedure, not something special they are doing for Terri.

Correct. Morphine or a similar drug is offered and usually given to people in the last stages. I know this from personal expereince, unfortunatly.

I think that since there have been NUMEROUS court cases , with several judges (some of whom were appointed by the current Pres. or his father so no partisian argument holds up there) for more than a decade on this and none of these judges have sided with the parents, that says alot about the merits of their case. If I had been the first judge I might have sided with the parents had there been legal precedent to do so ; but since that has never happened with ANY of the cases, there is obviously a good reason that NONE of the Judges have sided with her parents.

When families can not agree on family matters then the right thing to do is let a Judge decide. That is the way thing are done in this country. And that was done a long time ago.

IMHO, it is very, very shameful that this is a media circus, it should be a private matter.

And passing judgements on her husband, is also not cool in my book. Unless someone has met him personally then none of us can really say either way. Judge after Judge has sided with him and that should be enough. This issue isn't ANYONE'S business except Terri's family and husband. Everyone else should keep their noses out of it.

And what about all the other people who are in that Hospice ? Why should they all have to suffer the end of their lives with all this ? And what of their families ? I think those protesting AT the Hospice are just horrible not to be considering anyone else who is dying or has a loved one dying. I don't think they are interested in anything even close to morality. If they were they wouldn't be putting all the other people in or coming to visit those in the Hospice through this media circus.

Protest is fine , but not at a Hospice >:( Take it to the courthouse or city hall or D.C or the state capital.

CuriousJ
03-31-2005, 08:21 AM
Well she has passed on I feel bad about her passing but a part of me feels relieved that her suffering is over may she rest in peace .

michele1
03-31-2005, 10:47 AM
There would have been an autopsy performed ( law in the state of florida) so michael shive didnt grant anything.They also said her hear attack was caused by suffocation and all kinds of other stuff is coming out as well. Like broken bones when she first went to the hospital. Its an odd case to say the least.

Rhiannon
03-31-2005, 12:19 PM
I wish her the peace and comfort that she didn't have in this life. I'm still deeply saddened that nothing could have been done for her.

Rest In Peace, Terri.

My prayers and thoughts are with her family.

Hello~Kitty
03-31-2005, 12:22 PM
hope everyone who had a part in Terri's death including people who cared more about laws than life, all die as horribly as Terri did.

wow , wishing death on those who have a differnt point of view.


Gee, what compassion. Talk about a "Culture of Life" attitude ::)

May Terri rest in peace, her suffering is now over.

I hope that all who were close to her and loved her will someday find peace in their hearts as well.

VenusGoddess
03-31-2005, 12:50 PM
There would have been an autopsy performed ( law in the state of florida) so michael shive didnt grant anything.

As her guardian, Michael Schiavo can request that an autopsy NOT be performed and the body creamated/buried immediately following death. That is what everyone is talking about. Right now, the only time that you cannot side-step an autopsy is if there is "evidence" of foul play/murder. Otherwise, people who die from "natural" causes do not have to have an autopsy.

kitana
03-31-2005, 01:21 PM
wow , wishing death on those who have a differnt point of view.

Not wishing death on the innocent. Just wishing death to the conspierators that helped to commit her murder.

Kitana

Hello~Kitty
03-31-2005, 01:24 PM
Maybe some have missed it on the news but BOTH her husband AND her parents want an autopsy. It's pretty much the only thing they agree on.

Both sides seem to want to know more than they could possible know now, each to prove their own stance however.

I would like to also comment on the demonazation of Michael Sciavo.

If he had just wanted to "get Terri out of the picture" he could have done so very easily many, many times by just giving up his guardian rights. He also turned down millions to do so the whole motivated by money arguemnt some use against him is complete BS.

The only logical reason for him to have continued on the path he did is if Terri really did not want to be on any form of life support, which is what the feeding tube was in fact. Some people say it's not but that makes zero sense because she needed it to live, therefore it is a form of life support.

IME, most of the people who are condemning Mr. Schiavo haven't a clue about the facts in the case.

It's one thing to have an opinion that disagrees with the court decisions, or the great issue of removing life support in general. It's quite another to demonize a man who they obviously no little to nothing about based solely on the misinformation spouted by, for example ProLife hypocrite wacko Randall Terry or a self serving political and media persons (like Sean Hannity and a great majority of the GOP representatives) who did nothing but USE this woman, her parents and husband to further their own personal agendas.

This woman and her sad situation was used for political fodder and IMO that is unforgivable.

Pamela
03-31-2005, 01:31 PM
One fact i know of in Mr. Schiavo, is he was her husband which made him a legal guardian. How sad. He called all the shots in the end.

Btw, has anyone seen the tape 40 secs. long with her doing her best to answer questions back in 2003? Wow...What an eye-opener! I was so happy to see that. And had some hope after that tape and i a not sure why.

I am sad, i feel for her, it's as though i met her (these few weeks) and never knew her. May she rest in peace now. God bless her and her family members who wanted life for her, as well as all her supporters!!

Pamela

Hello~Kitty
03-31-2005, 01:34 PM
Not wishing death on the innocent. Just wishing death to the conspierators that helped to commit her murder.

Kitana

And what of all the other people who have life supported ended ? Are they all murder victims too ? If not then, with all due respect, your sentiment is lacking logic , IMHO.

What happened to Terri, happens everyday in this country and the President even passed a law in TX in 1999 to make such an act 100% legal even if it goes against the patient or families wishes.

Does that make him a conspierator in murder too ?

Terri Schiavo is a sad situation I know, but a little perspective goes along way. Perspective is hard to come by in emotional situations though, that is for sure. But that is way we have family courts to help in this kind of situations.

With no respect for the laws of our land what do we have ? The answer is chaos. This case is a perfect example of what happens when people are unwilling to give respect to the rule of law.

polecat
03-31-2005, 01:36 PM
Maybe some have missed it on the news but BOTH her husband AND her parents want an autopsy. It's pretty much the only thing they agree on.
The parents have been lobbying for weeks for an autopsy, as well as burial rights to have her buried/cemetary plot they are willing to pay for. Mike interjected he wanted an immediate cremation with no autopsy.

The autopsy allowance is by no coincidence related to the number of death threats he and Judge Greer have received and only a recent decision.

The 'jury' is still out what kind of autopsy this will be. In all past situations, his stipulations to adhere to outside wishes have always been completely conditional- i.e. publicity stunts that truly do not have the intended or desired result, but can be worded cleverly by aligned media.

Example- "Mike has performed various brain scans" = "would never allow a PET scan or MRI to yield conclusive evidence of her condition"

"Mike is representing his wife's wishes" = "Only remembered his wife's wishes after two-years of sending her to various medical facilities then disallowing them to perform the tests/therapies recommended at the individual sites."

etc.etc.etc. The list is massively long.



If he had just wanted to "get Terri out of the picture" he could have done so very easily many, many times by just giving up his guardian rights.
Giving up his Guardian rights would be akin to the divorce/adultery that has taken place, thus having legal precendent for all funds awarded Terri in various lawsuits be awarded the proper guardian. He'd basically lose $1.2 million + all lawyer fees to date by doing so.


He also turned down millions to do so the whole motivated by money arguemnt some use against him is complete BS.
Actually, if he accepted those offers, he'd be liable for even larger damages in civil court for being a negligent guardian in the first place. Those were 'trap' settlements that he and his lawyer are quite aware he can never take.


The only logical reason for him to have continued on the path he did is if Terri really did not want to be on any form of life support, which is what the feeding tube was in fact.
Nobody denies this fact.

The only thing 'denied' in this case is Michael was vehemently against any form of self-feeding training. Terri's family would have accepted the removal of her feeding tube IF they could then begin trying swallow therapy to see if she can manage eating/drinking on her own. Michael (surprise, surprise) also had court orders to disallow this.



IME, most of the people who are condemning Mr. Schiavo haven't a clue about the facts in the case.
IMO, anyone clouding the facts and siding with Mr. Schiavo is equally deluded.. the facts speak volumes in this case.

Hello~Kitty
03-31-2005, 01:45 PM
The parents have been lobbying for weeks for an autopsy, as well as burial rights to have her buried/cemetary plot they are willing to pay for. Mike interjected he wanted an immediate cremation with no autopsy.



Where did you get that from ?

From what I have seen (I don't bother with extreemist views) that is just not true. That sounds like just more misinformation spouted by Randall Terry types



. He'd basically lose $1.2 million + all lawyer fees to date by doing so.


He was offered more than that to give up his rights, he refused the money.


IMO, anyone clouding the facts and siding with Mr. Schiavo is equally deluded.. the facts speak volumes in this case.

I guess 70% of Americans are deluded then as are Judge afte Judge after Judge ( several of them who btw are conservatives and appointed by either Bush 1 or Bush 2) who are all more qualified than either of us to decide this case based on the facts.

It was all the availble and known facts that decided this case. And the facts are obviously on Mr. Schiavo's side of the fence.

And with that I think I am done discussing this.... The poor woman is passed on now and it's time to let her and her case rest in peace.

VADEN
03-31-2005, 02:09 PM
Well she has passed on I feel bad about her passing but a part of me feels relieved that her suffering is over may she rest in peace .

Well said, you could not have said it any better...

michele1
03-31-2005, 02:16 PM
Venus I live 30 minutes were this is all taking place and thats what they said on the news this morning ( the autopsy would have been performed anyways). Also for those saying michael shiveo wasnt after the money must not have been following this case very long. Here in florida we have been hearing information on this case since the 80s were as most of the nation didnt even know who teri shivo was until a few weeks ago.

RetiredDancer
03-31-2005, 02:17 PM
I just found out that she has passed on. I feel bad for her and her family, its something I would never want to experience, having a daughter but not wanting to let her go, I understand that completely. But now, she is at peace, and nothing else can hurt her. May she rest in peace.

Hello~Kitty
03-31-2005, 02:26 PM
While I am done discussing my own opinions on this matter I thought I'd add a link that has info on the whole saga in one place for people who are interested to reference.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Schiavo/

mermaidnz
03-31-2005, 05:05 PM
so she died now?

thats good. about time really.

cant say i know too much about the case but, her poor "husband" has no doubt had to stay married to her while she has pretty much been dead- just waiting to be able to get out there and live his life. i feel sorry for him.

id try killing myself if i was in her position-its sucks for her family. screw that.cant be fun just laying there for 15 years either. ghey.

VenusGoddess
03-31-2005, 07:15 PM
^ He had the chance to divorce her...he refused to.

Well, whatever happens now will happen. I'm just glad that she's finally having a chance at true peace.

mermaidnz
03-31-2005, 07:28 PM
oh really? he had the chance of divorce and didnt take it?? now thats just silly....id come outta that "thing shes in" and kick my partners ass if he stuck around that long!!!!

kitana
03-31-2005, 08:19 PM
It's sad I know but who wants to bet that "poor Mikey" will either leave the country soon or he will end up being murdered?

Kitana

mermaidnz
03-31-2005, 09:45 PM
be murdered?? what for?

btw who is mikey?

candy_parfeum_gurl
03-31-2005, 10:26 PM
Here's my view- I feel sorry for her and her family about cutting her life short, but she put it on herself. When she was younger she had an eating disorder which lead to her heart attack. She should be used to not eating with that tube out! j/k

Mr Hyde
04-01-2005, 10:36 PM
well, with Hello Kitty joining the discussion there is at least one more informed, rational person on this thread.

screaminpeachez
04-01-2005, 10:48 PM
my husband and I have living wills

i don't think it's right or smart to leave those kinds of decisions in the hands of others.

in contrast to Terri's situation, my husband would keep trying to provide for me.
I couldn't expect him to let me go.

Our loved ones may not want to see us leave.
that has to be our decision

tootsie
04-02-2005, 02:16 AM
It's sad I know but who wants to bet that "poor Mikey" will either leave the country soon or he will end up being murdered?

Kitana



yah, he's gonna get it.:O

VenusGoddess
04-02-2005, 06:43 AM
My SO and I are making Living wills. The chance of something happening to BOTH of us at the same time is very rare...but in that event...WE are going to pick who gets our daughter (legal guardian)...not let the family hash it out.

But, as sad as this case is...it shows everybody that life is life...and you need to prepare for as much of it as you can. ;)

BTW...if Terri Shiavo had an eating disorder (bulimia/anorexia) then that would help explain fractured limbs. As much as I despise the way Michael Shiavo handled the whole situation, eating disorders causes the body to disinegrate. Meaning, not only do they cause dangerous effects on the digestive system, but with the lack of nutrients/vitamins, the bones will become less strong and acutally start to lose mass...hairline fractures is very common in long-term bulimics and anorexics (as is the ease of bruising and tooth decay).

It will be very interesting to see/hear about the results of the autopsy. :detective

IACali
04-02-2005, 10:31 AM
While I am done discussing my own opinions on this matter I thought I'd add a link that has info on the whole saga in one place for people who are interested to reference.



And of course ABC has, along with the other mainstream media, proven itself to be completely unbiased in all matters that become political. ::)

Hello~Kitty
04-02-2005, 11:37 AM
And of course ABC has, along with the other mainstream media, proven itself to be completely unbiased in all matters that become political. ::)

I'm wondering if you are confusing ABC and CBS the ( RatherGate station)


/:O Gee, I guess I am supposed to be sorry now that I tried to help by putting a full account of the case all in one place so people didn't have to search every single issue of this case one by one.

If you have a better link, then please post it. I don't see how slamming my link is very helpful, but whatever ::)

Sitri
04-03-2005, 05:47 AM
From the St. Pete Times. A nice perspective.




The Terri Schiavo Case

Before the circus

By Anita Kumar
Published April 3, 2005
The courtroom was mostly empty Monday, Jan. 24, 2000. The quiet wasn't remarkable that morning, but five years later, the quiet is what I hear.

A handful of Terri Schiavo's immediate family members and a few close friends sat in the first few dark wooden benches. I was the only reporter there.

There were no cameras, no curious spectators, no protesters.

Nobody accused Michael Schiavo of abuse.

Nobody appealed to the Pope.

Nobody proclaimed that Terri was trying to talk.

No politicians were grandstanding, no special interest groups were shouting, nobody was invoking God's will.

The once-close family had battled about what to do with Terri for years. That's why they were in court, to ask a judge to determine what someone they all loved would have wanted. But no one disputed that they all loved her.

Back then, I remember thinking Judge George Greer had to deliver a hugely complicated, life-or-death verdict. With time, though, I've come to see how his decision was free of so many of the complications that have multiplied across the years.

After five days of trial, the judge said he would issue his ruling in a couple of weeks. Bob and Mary Schindler suggested I visit Terri for myself. I asked Michael Schiavo for permission. He said okay.



* * * A nurse at Palm Gardens nursing home in Largo walked me to the large, private room and left me alone with Terri. The room was filled with teddy bears, big and small, plants and flowers. A TV was mounted to the wall. A window, fastened with curtains, opened up to a lawn.

At the trial that week in 2000, witnesses - even family members - used the words "coma" and "comatose" to describe Terri. We had used those words in the newspaper. I expected she would look like she was sleeping, her body still.

But she was awake. She lay in bed, her head slightly elevated. Her brown eyes darted about the room.

She blinked. And blinked again. She constantly opened and closed her mouth, often leaving it slightly ajar. She turned her head. She moaned softly.

I called Terri's name while sitting to her right. No response. I called her name while sitting to her left. No response.

I detected no reaction, no turn toward the voice. Minutes went by, and she remained still and quiet.

She was dressed in pants and a blouse. Her brown hair, cropped close around her face, had been washed. She wore blush and eye shadow.

She breathed by herself. She slept at night and woke in the morning. She wore diapers. She got her menstrual period each month. She received a nutrition drink, similar to Ensure, through the feeding tube attached to her stomach.

Nurses alternated between laying her on her bed or propping her in a chair, keeping her head at a 45-degree angle. Contractions caused her to ball her hands into a fist so tightly that she wore special padding to protect her palms.

The only sound was the ticktock of a house-shaped clock mounted on her wall. A note informed nurses to keep her TV turned on in the evening because it might stop her from moaning.

Five years ago, not even the Schindlers disputed that Michael insisted on the best care for his wife, making demands on the home that it was not accustomed to providing.

Terri was bathed and her hair shampooed every day, instead of the standard twice a week. Her legs were shaved and makeup applied each morning. She wore regular clothes, not a hospital gown.

Seeing her that day, I could understand how people could come away with opposite impressions. Michael Schiavo saw eyes that did not focus, with no recognition or glimmer of understanding. The Schindlers took her smiles and moans as reactions to them.

Michael never let another reporter see Terri. Not even after the whole world wanted in.



* * * After the early coverage of the trial, People magazine and Dateline NBC showed up, and everything and everybody changed. The quiet was gone, replaced by noise.

People who did not know anything of Terri, who couldn't even pronounce her name correctly, made her into whatever they wanted.

She became a poster child for abuse of the disabled. And for a nation that had lost its moral compass. And for the importance of living wills. And for judges and lawmakers overstepping their bounds. For whatever cause anybody wanted to advance.

She was a right-to-die case. She was a right-to-life case.

The attention, from the media, the politicians, the special interest groups, changed the people who gathered in that quiet courtroom more than five years ago.

Back then, both sides were civil to one another. No one disputed that Terri was in a persistent vegetative state and had been for a decade. Or that an eating disorder probably had led to Terri's cardiac arrest and collapse, not physical abuse by Michael as some now contend.

Nobody was a murderer, an abuser, an adulterer, a fanatic, a liar. They were just family, trying their best to do right by their daughter, wife, sister.

Once the spotlight shone upon them, they started Web sites. They became regulars on national TV. They lobbied the governor, Congress, the president.

Both sides talked about what was best for Terri, but it seemed winning had trumped all.

After all these years, what haunts me is something Terri's brother once said: "If Terri knew what this had done to this family, she would go ballistic."

And he told me that before things spun out of control.

Terri Schiavo unwittingly became everyone's cause, a sad fate for a shy, small-town girl who loathed being the center of attention. The quiet suited her.

Times staff writer Anita Kumar covered civil courts in Pinellas County and wrote about the Terri Schiavo case for two years. Now she works in the Times Washington bureau and can be reached at [email protected] or 202-463-0576.

michele1
04-03-2005, 09:05 AM
On A&E last night they had an hour long investigatve reports on teri, the familiy, michael shiavo his brother and the case. It was interesting they showed footage of her that I had not seen prior to this. Iam sure it will aire again, very interesting.

MojoJojo
04-03-2005, 12:00 PM
Well...as for myself....


I, (fill in the blank), being of sound mind and body, do not wish to be kept alive indefinitely by artificial means. Under no circumstances should my fate be put in the hands of ignorant politicians who couldn't pass ninth-grade biology if their lives depended on it. If a reasonable amount of time passes and I fail to sit up and ask for a sloe gin, it should be presumed that I won't ever get better. When such a determination is reached, I hereby instruct my spouse, children and attending physicians to pull the plug, reel in the tubes and call it a day. Under no circumstances shall the members of the Legislature enact a special law to keep me on life-support machinery. It is my wish that these boneheads mind their own god-damn business, and pay attention instead to the health, education and future of the millions of people who aren't in a permanent coma. Under no circumstances shall any politicians butt into this case. I don't care how many fundamentalist votes they're trying to scrounge for their run for the presidency in 2008, it is my wish that they play politics with someone else's life and leave me alone to die in peace. I couldn't care less if a hundred religious zealots send e-mails to legislators in which they pretend to care about me. I don't know these people, and I certainly haven't authorized them to preach and crusade on my behalf. They should mind their own business, too. If any of my family goes against my wishes and turns my case into a political cause, I hereby promise to come back from the grave and make his or her existence a living hell.

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Hello~Kitty
04-17-2005, 03:47 PM
UPDATE :

The 45 pages of confidential abuse reports made public by court order show that despite the litany of complaints, investigators NEVER found that Terri Schiavo had been abused.

DJ_Duane
06-15-2005, 08:48 PM
Schiavo had severe brain damage, autopsy finds Wed Jun 15,12:02 PM ET


Terri Schiavo, a Florida woman who died in March after a fierce right-to-die battle that involved the U.S. Congress, was severely brain damaged and had no hope of recovery, said a medical examiner who gave the results of an autopsy on Wednesday.

"Her brain was profoundly atrophied," Pinellas County medical examiner Jon Thogmartin told a news conference, adding that her brain weighed about half what a healthy human brain weighs. "This damage was irreversible."

Schiavo, who suffered a cardiac arrest in 1990 that deprived her brain of oxygen, died at a Florida hospice on March 31, 13 days after her feeding tube was removed by court order. She was 41.

Thogmartin said Schiavo died of dehydration and did not starve to death.

She had been in what courts ruled was a "persistent vegetative state," which means she was unable to think, feel, or interact with her environment since her collapse 15 years previously.

The courts sided with her husband and legal guardian, Michael Schiavo, in ruling she would not have wanted to live like that. But her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, said she responded to them and could recover with treatment.

The Schindlers waged a seven-year legal battle to keep her alive, a cause that rallied the Christian right and prompted President Bush and the Republican-led Congress to rush through legislation giving the federal courts jurisdiction to intervene.

Those courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court, declined to order the feeding tube be reinserted.




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DJ_Duane
06-15-2005, 08:52 PM
So, it looks like her husband was right all along.

I can understand that the parents wanted to keep their daughter alive as long as they could. However, the M.E.'s report shows that Terri had no hope of recovery, even with rehabilitation therapy.

Further news stories tell us that there was no sign of trauma prior to the heart attack that caused Terri to go into a coma in the first place.

Seems like a lot of people were wrong on this one. Everyone who demonized Michael Schiavo and painted him as an uncaring wife-killer should own-up to the fact that Science has deflated all their arguments.

Rhiannon
06-15-2005, 09:17 PM
Eh.. I'm still not buying it considering the Medical Examiner was hand-picked by Michael Schiavo and his attorneys.

Whatever though, Terri's gone and she's not coming back. I'm still calling it murder. What makes it even sicker, is it was LEGAL murder.

I've said my peace about it and I've finally started to let it fade from my memory and not anger me so much. A part of it's always there though.

Rest in Peace, Terri.

Deogol
06-15-2005, 11:37 PM
So, it looks like her husband was right all along.

I can understand that the parents wanted to keep their daughter alive as long as they could. However, the M.E.'s report shows that Terri had no hope of recovery, even with rehabilitation therapy.

Further news stories tell us that there was no sign of trauma prior to the heart attack that caused Terri to go into a coma in the first place.

Seems like a lot of people were wrong on this one. Everyone who demonized Michael Schiavo and painted him as an uncaring wife-killer should own-up to the fact that Science has deflated all their arguments.

These days it is all about belief. Science and facts mean nothing. You can see this approach to life growing in all parts of the world.

Madcap
06-16-2005, 02:48 AM
Eh.. I'm still not buying it considering the Medical Examiner was hand-picked by Michael Schiavo and his attorneys.

Then they did a shitty job hand-picking them. All it did was blow away Mike S.'s claims of Heart Attacks and Bulemia (no evidence was found for either), so how did she collapse in the first place.

Frankly, the only opinion of mine this report did NOT change is the 'creep' bells that go off in my head about Mike Schiavo. If her brain was half gone, she wasn't coming back. So she's been dead, or all of her that made her "Her," anyway. That said, if she doesn't even know she's alive, what's the harm in letting her kick for a while with mom and pop taking care of her, oh i forgot: In that case Mike Schiavo doesn't get his payday. CREEP ALERT!

MojoJojo
06-16-2005, 04:31 AM
Don't forget that when you hear it from the media, you only hear a tiny percentage of what's going on. I, too, hear the creep bells. At the same time, I know what my own wife would want...and giving up and saying "Okay, fine, you all go ahead and keep her alive for another decade." would NOT be a show of how much I love her. That's what the harm in it is. It is also not the case that she would have simply lived in a healthy vegetative state. Her organs were already going through natural shut down. With every passing day she lost more. I'm not making any judgments here. Way too much to assume. I don't doubt the ME's report, though. You can argue a lot of things, but the facts of brainsize and dead areas probably cannot be disputed a great deal.

Another question I would pose is this - if the parents were so certain she could "feel".... then keeping her alive for another decade to feel the pains of being in an internal prison and feeling your body continue to decay is pretty tremendous.

Rhiannon
06-16-2005, 08:36 AM
Hmmm.. Very Interesting:



Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Dr. Jon Thogmartin said that the autopsy produced no conclusion on what triggered the temporary heart stoppage that caused her collapse and brain damage. He said there was no evidence of drug use, though he cautioned that Schiavo was not tested in 1990 for every conceivable substance that could have been in her blood.


He said there was no proof she suffered from an eating disorder such as bulimia, which can disrupt the body chemistry with lethal effect. The main piece of evidence cited for an eating disorder - the low levels of potassium in her blood in 1990 - could have been caused by the emergency treatment she received at the time, Thogmartin said. <~Gee, There's a newsflash.


While she had lost more than 100 pounds since high school, Schiavo never confessed to an eating disorder, she did not take and no one had witnessed her purging food, the medical examiner said.


He discounted the possibility that she had overdosed on caffeine from drinking large amounts of tea in an effort to keep her weight down.


In addition, the autopsy found no traces of morphine in her system at her death, although she had been given two doses in the days before she died. The Schindlers had contended that morphine might have been used to speed their daughter's death. <~This strikes me as very odd. She was given Morphine before she died, yet there was none in her system? I smell a BIG rat with a lisp somewhere.

Mr Hyde
06-17-2005, 06:14 PM
hand picked? Where'd you get that? As far as I've heard, it was just the Pasco-Pinellas ME. Pasco-Pinellas are two of the three large Tampa Bay area counties. How could anyone hand pick a govt ME to do an autopsy?

I live in this area and know people who know Michael Schiavo. He is a nice man who is only doing what he thinks is right.

Deogol
06-17-2005, 07:06 PM
There is a book coming out - we will get the story in that!

Rhiannon
06-17-2005, 08:18 PM
hand picked? Where'd you get that? As far as I've heard, it was just the Pasco-Pinellas ME. Pasco-Pinellas are two of the three large Tampa Bay area counties. How could anyone hand pick a govt ME to do an autopsy?

I live in this area and know people who know Michael Schiavo. He is a nice man who is only doing what he thinks is right.

Um.. It was announced when Terri lay dying that Michael and his attorney had selected the ME. I believe Felos was the one who made the statement. Did you miss that part? It was a statement made right outside her Hospice center.

As for people who know people who know Michael. I couldn't give a shit less about it. No one was on the inside, besides him and Terri herself. They are the ONLY two who knew what really happened. Now, one of them is dead, which was all part of his plan. Sorry, but a NICE man doesn't abandon his wife when she's sick, and go off and find someone else. A NICE man doesn't fight to KILL his wife when there were people who would've cared for her. He could've just walked the fuck away. He walked away from her when he started seeing other people anyway. Jodi wasn't the first, there had been several.

Nice man, my ass.

Rhiannon
06-17-2005, 08:46 PM
Another interesting little thing I dug up:


Beeeeeeeep... Cha-ching! What's that sound?

That's the sound of Michael "" Schiavo running from Terri's deathbed to file an with for Terri's estate:

Terri Schiavo's estranged husband Michael wasted no time in pursuing what was left of Terri's estate after she passed away on March 31. The disabled woman died after suffering from a painful 13 day starvation and dehydration. Terri died just after 9:00 a.m. on the morning of the 31st and court papers filed with Circuit Court Judge George Greer show Michael's attorneys filed the estate request just hours later.

By 1:35 p.m., Greer had ruled in Michael's favor to receive Terri's estate.

I have to wonder... if there was supposedly going to be nothing left, why the rush? Surely that lonely pile of dust left sitting in her estate fund could have waited a day or two.

But remember, folks... it was all about doing what Terri wanted.



Lots of other stuff
Article on Greer's ruling for Michael to inherit Terri's estate

Madcap
06-17-2005, 09:08 PM
Sorry, but a NICE man doesn't abandon his wife when she's sick, and go off and find someone else..........He walked away from her when he started seeing other people anyway. Jodi wasn't the first, there had been several.

Wellllllll, if my wife was brain dead i'd move on too. THAT's not the part that has my creep bells ringing.