View Full Version : Discussion: Proper BMI and labor exploitation
yoda57us
04-24-2005, 10:59 AM
Arguing that thinness is a bona fide job requirement for strippers because "that's what men like" (although the existence of money-making fat girls complicates that stance) leads, of course into other questions, like "men prefer white girls" (sorry yoda, but any woman of colour will tell you of frequent racial discrimination) and that is our social standard of beauty.
Huh? Why are you appologizing to me? WhadIsay?
mr_punk
04-24-2005, 04:03 PM
Nah, that's not the point I was addressing. My assertion is that, in spite of the fact that an overweight stripper could make money for herself and the club, which is the criteria for hiring her and the very essence of free enterprise, you would not condone her presence in the club.it doesn't matter. the sc still has that right to pursue their interest as well. however, to answer your question. there are a lot of strippers that don't meet my physical standard in a sc. however, it's not a problem because i ignore them.
You would condemn a decision by management to hire her even if she became the top earner. You would deny other customer's desires solely on the basis of your own personal physical preferences, not based on her ability to make money.no, if management thought a sc full of overweight strippers could make money. they would hire them. it's their decision. which is fine. however, i would just go down the block where they don't have the obese strippers and let the chubby chasers have at it.
Okay, so the scale is smaller - fewer potential customers, fewer fat strippers - but if the money per stripper is the same, it's profitable. Businesses are going to have to make up for the mass market becoming increasingly segmented by catering to individuals or small groups.
strip clubs already offer an individual choice based on his/her preference in strippers. Clubs don't need to be mass market on the customer level; they can target the individual. well, that it falls into line to what i mentioned earlier. despite the exclusion of obese strippers. sc are diverse. although, you seem to think otherwise. no sc is full of the bolt-on, blond barbie, model thin types. there are too many sc and not enough of those types to go around and they don't appeal to everyone. as a result, there is a diverse selection of strippers of different looks and sizes. however, as you mentioned yourself. the obese market isn't very large. furthermore, it may not be worth the effort to cultivate that market at the expense of destroying the branding of their image (ie: clubs advertising that they have over a 100 of the hottest strippers in the area) and/or alienating their other more lucrative markets. believe it or not, there are legitimate reasons for excluding obese strippers.
The focus should always be on the customer - the ultimate source of what's relevant.yes, which is why sc exclude obese women. you seem to think that sc have no clue under any circumstances as to what appeals to customers.
However, you've projected your own personal preferences as being representative of the entire group, and dismissed preferences that you personally find objectionable.am i? i can't make anyone post for or against in favor of obese women in sc. i can't make anyone take up the banner for obese women in sc. i mean, besides the radical feminists. what customer on this thread has expressed interest in buying LDs from 300 pounders? what stripper has expressed interest in gaining more rolls of fat or cellulite in order to appeal to that chubby chaser market? i mean, many strippers are willing to get bolt-ons or make other types of cosmetic changes to appeal to customers. so, you would think that they would be willing to do the same for that lucrative chubby chaser market, right? i mean, gaining fat is pretty easy and inexpensive in comparison.
To paraphrase an infamous SCJ philosopher about strippers: Your perception of my type is mostly a figment of your own creation.well, thanks for clearing that up for me. now, i know why you think fat broads should be in a sc.
mr_punk
04-24-2005, 04:04 PM
Huh? Why are you appologizing to me? WhadIsay?who knows with these radical feminists, yoda. so, just nod your head and apologise for being a male chauvinist pig and a tool of the patriarchy.
Jenny
04-24-2005, 04:42 PM
Huh? Why are you appologizing to me? WhadIsay?
Okay, despite punky's contention that apologies are the new tools of the radical feminist, I was actually apologizing because I thought you were the one that espoused such affection for women of colour, like nearly to the exclusion of all other women. I suppose I was apologizing for indirectly and honourarily excluding you from the proverbial company of men.
mr_punk
04-24-2005, 04:46 PM
I was actually apologizing because I thought you were the one that espoused such affection for women of colour, like nearly to the exclusion of all otherwomen. nah, everyone knows that yoda likes the south americans.
yoda57us
04-24-2005, 05:08 PM
Okay, despite punky's contention that apologies are the new tools of the radical feminist, I was actually apologizing because I thought you were the one that espoused such affection for women of colour, like nearly to the exclusion of all other women. I suppose I was apologizing for indirectly and honourarily excluding you from the proverbial company of men.
Well, not quite. I'm the guy that only spends money on, in order of preference:
South Americans (Brazilians in particular)
Asians
Eastern Europeans
My reasons are many and completely off topic since BMI doesn't really factor into it. Just wanted to set the record straight.
evan_essence
04-25-2005, 12:06 PM
no, if management thought a sc full of overweight strippers could make money. they would hire them. it's their decision. which is fine. however, i would just go down the block where they don't have the obese strippers and let the chubby chasers have at it.Forget it. I'm not going to waste more time on this discussion with someone who misrepresents what I'm saying - except when it's done for humorous effect to entertain the forum. I made it perfectly clear I was not talking about "full of." I can only assume your misrepresentation is done to deliberately misdirect the argument and push my buttons. Not that I have buttons. More like toggle switches.
yes, which is why sc exclude obese women. you seem to think that sc have no clue under any circumstances as to what appeals to customers.Here's another beef of mine. You keep your responses tightly focused on obese. For the record, I haven't limited my discussion to obese (BMI 30+), but was inclusive of those who are overweight (BMI 25-29.9) and those approaching overweight, which some also would characterize as "fat" or "thick" in the context of a SC. If I were 5'8" and 190, I'd be overweight on the BMI at 28.9, and 50 pounds over the broader appeal of a "normal" BMI of 21.3, but not clinically obese. A discussion limited to obese fails to take into account the marketability of others who also would be deemed outside customary but not obese.
well, thanks for clearing that up for me. now, i know why you think fat broads should be in a sc.No, that's a figment of your creation, too. Remember, I'm all SS ..um.. except when I'm not. The proper response is, "Thanks for remaining clinically obscure. I'll probably never know why you think fat broads should be in a sc."
-Ev
Fudpucker
04-28-2005, 01:23 PM
I think we could all benefit from more intelligent reading, an educated opinion on the international economy and not buying clothes from international conglomerates that exploit what is essentially slave labour. And I actually think these things are MORE important than abs of steel.
True, but guys dont care about this stuff in a stripclub.
mr_punk
05-01-2005, 07:03 PM
I made it perfectly clear I was not talking about "full of." I can only assume your misrepresentation is done to deliberately misdirect the argument and push my buttons.actually, no. the problem is that you entered the conversation late.
Here's another beef of mine. You keep your responses tightly focused on obese.yes, i do. originally, this thread was part of the 'Fitness' thread. the issues you are raising was discussed before the thread was split. so, the issue isn't new. in fact, i probably agree with you more than you think.
For the record, I haven't limited my discussion to obese (BMI 30+), but was inclusive of those who are overweight (BMI 25-29.9) and those approaching overweight, which some also would characterize as "fat" or "thick" in the context of a SC.again, that was already discussed in the 'Fitness' thread. in short, the discussion was about the frequency of out of shape strippers (ie: "fat" or "thick") in sc. however, i would hardly characterize them as being obese. keep in mind, i'm not talking about a woman with a pooch, but with a sizeable gut obviously composed mainly of multiple flaps of flab. no BMI chart is necessary. yet, despite the presence of out of shape strippers. i don't think anyone (including myself) called for their exclusion from sc. besides, the sc need the stage fees.
anyway, why place an emphasis or even use the BMI as the basis of an argument? yeah, i know it's in the title of the thread, but that wasn't my call. on it's own, the BMI is a pretty flawed scale. all i'm suggesting is that there is a limit with regards to weight in your industry when it comes to marketing a certain image. you seem to think that just because 300 pound women are excluded from sc. it follows that a sc doesn't have a diverse enough selection of strippers. i disagree. there's a lot of room for different shapes and sizes.
If I were 5'8" and 190, I'd be overweight on the BMI at 28.9, and 50 pounds over the broader appeal of a "normal" BMI of 21.3, but not clinically obese.that statement is just one example of the inherent flaw of the BMI. the BMI is a rough index of the relationship between a person’s weight and height and the likelihood of certain health risks. however, the BMI ignores body composition. IOW, lean muscle, body fat and bone density are all treated as weight under the BMI. muscle is a more dense and compact tissue compared to fat. using your example, if you have two individuals of the same height and weight. however, if one person has a larger amount of lean muscle and a lower percentage of body fat. while the other person has a lower amount of lean muscle and a higher percentage of body fat. i guarantee you that those two individuals bodies will look totally different from each other. although, they are of the same height and weight. however, under the BMI they would both would be considered overweight. throwing around BMI numbers are meaningless if you ignore body composition.
A discussion limited to obese fails to take into account the marketability of others who also would be deemed outside customary but not obese.don't look at me. i didn't split up this thread.