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Just my .02 but I think the overwhelming majority of the gals upstairs seem like nice dancers whom I could gladly get along with.
I agree with Doc. Most of the gals are cool.
FBR
Silverback
04-06-2005, 09:31 PM
Geez, and I was thinking this was a Star Trek reference. :O :-[ ;D :P
There's always people confused by that, Josh.
But, then, they're the same people who never read Hamlet in the original Klingon. ;)
http://www.kli.org/stuff/Hamlet.html
Nicolina
04-08-2005, 10:18 AM
What's this? Who's side are you on anyways?:-\
I'm on the side of Truth and Justice::)
I'm trying to do what polecat said and make EVERYONE hate me!!!:P
Silverback
04-08-2005, 10:39 AM
I'm on the side of Truth and Justice::)
But not the American way?:P
I'm trying to do what polecat said and make EVERYONE hate me!!!:P
Great, then:
To the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hates sake I spit my last breath at thee.:)
One more semester and I'll have my BA in Psych, i'm already accepted into a MBA program and a PHD psych program.
grove542000
04-09-2005, 12:48 PM
Bachelor's degree in Econ. (Phi Beta Kappa) and law degree, for me.
The worthwhile degrees are just disguises for technical training(engineering and medicine) with the "general education" thrown in to make sure they get the proper dosage of whatever mainstream political philosophy is dominating schools these days.
Sh0t, I think you left one out there. Most of my economic value comes from my training in law school, rather than the four year of education in college that preceded it.
I have to say that anyone with a post-graduate education who talks down to dancers is going to get a rude awakening, because I've met plenty of dancers who are well-educated in a formal sense, and/or are well-read without necessarily having the paper to certify to it. I've never been at a loss for stimulating conversation with a dancer, in any sense.
I'm not sure why someone would make the blanket generalization about us PLs being dropouts. There are a lot of lawyers and business types who travel for work, and sc's offer just about anything that you would want if you are stuck in a strange city overnight....sports on TV, adult beverages, sometimes the only decent restaurant in town open after 9:00, and, incidentally, hot, naked women. Maybe, as someone suggested, it is an age issue.
Nicolina
04-09-2005, 05:05 PM
Great, then:
To the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hates sake I spit my last breath at thee.:)
Hey, now. Keep your harpoons to yourself--I haven't gained that much weight since I quit dancing! :P
(What're you, anyway, Silver--an English Major???)
Silverback
04-10-2005, 05:50 PM
Exobiologist.:)
Nicolina
04-10-2005, 06:00 PM
^As in, 'skin-out'?
SportsWriter2
04-10-2005, 07:40 PM
^As in, 'skin-out'?
Good to see you writing less and studying more. :)
Silverback
04-10-2005, 10:29 PM
I was going more for this:
http://www.astrobiology.com/exobiology.html
But, anything for you. :)
I didn't leave one out. I just decided not to open that can of worms
Economics is my second hat and I know full well how worthless the degrees in economics are for even the basics.
Nicolina
04-11-2005, 09:33 PM
I was going more for this:
http://www.astrobiology.com/exobiology.html
But, anything for you. :)
Oohhhh....I see. I am more of an earthbound biologist. I like earth creatures:) (And I am definitely skin-out.)
Do you wager that Europa harbors its own methane-and-silicon-based biota? Or, do we have to look farther from home (in space or time)?
Nicolina
04-11-2005, 09:38 PM
Good to see you writing less and studying more. :)
Don't lie, Sporty. You know you miss me :)
(No, I know you mean it. I have been in Hardy-Weinberg Equilibrium Hell. Can I get a bumper sticker that says, 'I'd rather be posting on stripperweb'??)
grove542000
04-11-2005, 11:01 PM
The worthwhile degrees are just disguises for technical training(engineering and medicine) with the "general education" thrown in to make sure they get the proper dosage of whatever mainstream political philosophy is dominating schools these days.
Actually, law was the area that I thought you were leaving out...glorified plumbing, although most lawyers have to practice about five years before they make as much as most plumbers.
Silverback
04-12-2005, 08:53 PM
Oohhhh....I see. I am more of an earthbound biologist. I like earth creatures:) (And I am definitely skin-out.)
Do you wager that Europa harbors its own methane-and-silicon-based biota? Or, do we have to look farther from home (in space or time)?
Silicone turns out to be a poor substitute for carbon.
<H3>Silicon-based life
Silicon-based life is regarded as improbable by most scientists. Superficially, the chemistries of carbon and silicon are similar; just as carbon can form methane (http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=l7auw8bpc5fs?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Methane&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b) (CH4), silicon can form silane (http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=l7auw8bpc5fs?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Silane&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b) (SiH4), and both elements can form long chains of polymers (http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=l7auw8bpc5fs?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Polymer&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b).
But silicon's affinity for oxygen means that it cannot easily be used for respiration. Whereas CO2 is a gas that can easily be removed from the organism, SiO2 is a solid that will instantly organize itself into lattices, making it hard to dispose of. On top of that, silicon fails to give rise to many compounds that exhibit chirality (http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=l7auw8bpc5fs?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Chirality+%28chemistry%29&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc02b), which is a common feature of carbon-based molecules that are essential to the proper functioning of enzymes.
There is also astronomical evidence to suggest that silicon-based life is unlikely. Wherever astronomers have looked, they have failed to find the simplest precursors to silicon-based biochemistry. Complex carbon-based compounds are abundant in space, but in the case of silicon, most of what we have observed in space are simple oxides of silicon, with no record of more complex molecules such as silanes and silicones.
</H3>
So, it looks like we'll never see a Horta.:-\
NVJosh
04-13-2005, 02:35 PM
So, it looks like we'll never see a Horta.:-\
No Lap I
GenWar
05-10-2005, 10:41 AM
Hmmm.... Well let's just suppose for a second that the poll is accurate, and that strip club regulars are, hence, much, much better educated than the general population.
I think this might have been your point of mistaken interpretation. The poll does not address the population of strip club regulars the world over. No offense intended towards anyone, but I would have to agree with your doubts that this group consists of 30% post graduate degrees.
Instead, this poll addresses the population of strip club JUNKIES, specifically those people who would view this poll in the first place. Having read this site for 6 months and posted on it for 2, 30% actually seems low to me. The customers who post on this site are lucid and intelligent and usually capable of some pretty entertaining arguments. Further, they are individuals who take their strip clubbing seriously, not as something done on a random Sat night when wrestling is pre-empted by broadcast regulations. They think about what they do in clubs and try to understand the ramifications and they enjoy discourse and alternate views and opinions as a methodology of strengthening their understanding of this hobby. And they, in my humble opinion, make up a small, to the point of miniscule, portion of the general strip club regular population.
Given that strippers themselves (on average, yes I realize that there are exceptions) are going to have much less education than the general population (partly due to age and partly due to motivational/attitude problems) do you think that this partly accounts for why strippers are reluctant to date customers?
Given the huge disparity in education, the values between strippers and regulars are probably so much different that a relationship is doomed from the start.
As for the question of dating a dancer, I won't bother to tell you not to bother. It has been done. I will empathize...I have been infatuated with a dancer myself. For me, it has never lasted more than 48 hours, thankfully. I just don't understand why you would choose a club as a potential location for dating. The obstacles are great...most dancers won't date a customer on general principle. Further, how can you tell if a lady has genuine interest when you are in an environment were the expression of interest, real or fake, can generate income for said lady? That is the very definition of SS and, in the creation of a fantasy, it is a wonderful thing. In determining the opportunity to date a dancer, it would appear to be a royal pain in the ass.
I get my oil changed at Jiffy Lube. When I go in, the manager always admires how well I treat my car. I do treat my car well, because I value it. However, I don't believe that the manager really thinks I am exceptional in this regard. Instead, he is creating a feeling in me that will make it more likely that I will by the upsell services they offer during my oil change. If he appeals to my pride, maybe I will get a new air filter. This is just another, less obvious form of SS and I am confident it works very well in that business. Do I buy the extra services? Usually no. Do I go back to that Jiffy Lube when it is not convenient to do so? definitely not.
If the goal is truly to have a girlfriend, who happens to be an exotic dancer, it is best to stick to the traditional methods. Meet her in a bar, or at church or in the grocery store. If you actually meet her in the club, I suspect, in most cases, you have already lost.
-gen
xdamage
05-10-2005, 09:17 PM
^Wow, xdamage. That was kind of....trenchant. :O
Same advice I'd give a good friend. He needs to get away from the stripper poles, strobe lights, and hot babes and spend time with women in "normal" situations - where values are real and have meaning. The club is not the place to be searching for love or a relationship of values. Consider it to be a favor. This is a dude that does not belong in the clubs. It's fucking with his head. Get out and search for values in the real world RIL.
SportsWriter2
05-10-2005, 09:26 PM
The whole strip club thing is a real mind fuck for control freaks.
Yeah, but a mind is a wonderful thing to fuck. :)
Nicolina
05-11-2005, 10:50 AM
Wow. I don't really know where to begin.
First, let's point out that education and intelligence are not synonymous.
Have I encountered stupid strippers? Yes. I think of one girl in particular who, arriving at work after her GED prep course, bellowed, "Hey, youse guys! Guess what! I just found out we came from apes!"
Have I encountered uneducated strippers? Yes. But this group includes some fiercely brilliant self-educated women, who could have easily succeeded at the best schools in the country if their life circumstances had been different.
My point is that there is certainly not perfect overlap in the "unintelligent" and "uneducated" categories.
(And btw, Phil W, I really don't care if you call me a stripper, a dancer, or (mr. punk's fave) a professional cock grinder. I often use the word dancer in polite company simply because it carries less shock value, but any stripper who earnestly insists on being called a "dancer" or an "exotic entertainer" is just plain ridiculous, IMHO.)
Okay. I've worked in clubs where at least half the girls had done prison time. Some of them were still wearing their house arrest anklets. They told fabulous stories about how they'd fashion vibrators from their used-up roll-on deodorant and Walkman battery cases, and how they'd get in trouble if they were caught using them (it was "abuse of state property," they said :O). Some of the Latina girls had girl-gang tattoos. Some of the white girls had double lightning bolt tattoos. Most of the women were on welfare, many were high school dropouts, and very few had any formal education beyond high school. Sporty would have loved this club (from a sociological perspective, of course ;)).
OTOH, I've also worked in clubs where the majority of girls were working toward undergraduate or graduate degrees. These were clubs where you could have dressing room conversations about Schroedinger's Cat, Russian literature, feminist theory, or forensic chemistry on any given day. Because I felt more comfortable at these kinds of clubs, I spent more time working in them, and hence I tend to think of strippers in general as a pretty intelligent, ambitious and well-educated bunch.
But I understand that a person's perception regarding the level of intelligence and/or education of strippers depends upon the clubs they frequent. I'm pretty sure there is a geographical component to this equation, too.
Though I don't yet have my undergrad degree, I have spent a good deal of time in school--including some time at one of the more prestigious colleges in the country (okay, so I dropped out to become a stripper; what can I say? ::)). I've also made a concerted effort to self-educate. If I wanted to be really pretentious, I'd call myself an autodidact. :O
Now, about the customers: Remember, RIL, that this is a self-selecting group. The guys on this board are not representative of the average strip club patron. In fact, I think they represent the exceptional strip club patron. Of course, they are also guys who own computers, write effectively, and ponder the whole SC subculture a little more profoundly than most PLs. I love this board because the posters here are clearly so intelligent, articulate and well educated. But in most clubs, the majority of customers are not really any better educated than the dancers.
In fact, I often found that I was more educated than a lot of the customers I encountered. And frankly, I was smarter than many of them, too--even some of those who had more education than I.
My point is this, RIL:
Smart, educated customers exist (and many post on this board). Smart, educated dancers exist (and many post on this board). Dancers are not necessarily less intelligent than customers, even if they are less educated, and the "disparity in education level" that you hypothesize doesn't necessarily exist, nor does it affect whether or not that rare relationship between dancer and customer will work in the long term.
You, my friend, don't seem to be the brightest bulb in the box yourself, so it's interesting that you would make such a fuss about the Junkies and the dancers being less educated than they claim.
xdamage
05-11-2005, 11:33 AM
Wow. I don't really know where to begin.
[lots of good stuff clipped]
Agrees.
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Stuff I wish I had known at a younger age:
1.) Learn what a Bell Curve is - learn it, know it, love it. Simple minds want a black and white reality, and cling rigidly to absolutes and the extremes try and make sense of realty and human behavior. Intelligent minds accept reality is shades of grey, where "truth" is roughly a bell curve, but there are always exceptions, always. But there is no truth to be found by looking at the ends of the bell curve and trying to find black and white truth from the extremes.
There are exceptionally dumb strippers, and exceptionally intelligent ones. There are exceptionally dumb customers, and exceptionally intelligent ones. For the most part though, strippers hold roughly the same values, same level of intelligence as anyone else. Same with customers. We all think we are rocket scientists. For the most part though most of us are about average intelligence.
2.) Don't lie to yourself. If you can't be honest with yourself with what it is that really motivates you, good and bad, you don't stand a chance in hell of understanding others. Worse, nobody else will be honest with you either. They instinctively will know you can't handle the truth.
Customers judging strippers? Suggesting they have weaker values or intelligence? Come-on. Be serious. Customers... be honest with yourself why you are at the clubs. Hint, look down, it's not because of superior morale character, love, or all the other BS customers bring with them to the SC.
3.) Don't confuse the delivery of the message with the meaning.
"Stripper", "Dancer", whatever term you want to use. Intelligent people focus on what is being talked about. Simple minds get hung up on the delivery.
Phil-W
05-11-2005, 01:59 PM
(And btw, Phil W, I really don't care if you call me a stripper, a dancer, or (mr. punk's fave) a professional cock grinder. I often use the word dancer in polite company simply because it carries less shock value, but any stripper who earnestly insists on being called a "dancer" or an "exotic entertainer" is just plain ridiculous, IMHO.)
"Stripper", "Dancer", whatever term you want to use. Intelligent people focus on what is being talked about. Simple minds get hung up on the delivery.
At the risk of sidetracking this thread, I did point out in my original post I was from the UK and there, the preference was to be called a dancer. It's not a case of being simple or hung-up on delivery. If dancer is what they prefer to be called, then it's simple courtesy.
Phil.
xdamage
05-11-2005, 02:16 PM
At the risk of sidetracking this thread, I did point out in my original post I was from the UK and there, the preference was to be called a dancer. It's not a case of being simple or hung-up on delivery. If dancer is what they prefer to be called, then it's simple courtesy.
Phil.
Noted bro. Politeness has it's place, and there is no fault in being concerned with the feelings of others. I am admittedly very lacking in this regard, all too often frustrated with the BS that tends to get mixed up with being polite. FWIW though...
At the time I madly typed what was on mind, I was thinking more of Nicolina's wonderfully refereshing comment. I share her sense of ?absurdity? in the matter. But more impressive, as a "dancer" herself, my reaction was that her ability to not-take-her label seriously is a common sign of superior intelligence, and an admirable (and refreshing!) quality we all should strive for.
Nicolina
05-11-2005, 02:22 PM
I don't think it's a UK thing, really. "Dancer" is, in fact, a softer and more polite word, and if you're trying to get on a stripper's good side, it probably is best to refer to her as a dancer, regardless of on which side of the Big Pond you reside. I do, in fact, use the word dancer more often than I use the word stripper, but it's only because it's a gentler word, and if you're in the subculture you know what 'dancer' means and you don't have to spell it out by saying 'stripper.'
I was just trying to point out that I don't take offense at being called a stripper, and I think the only dancers who do are the type who are in denial about the fact that they are involved in the sex industry. There are some girls like that on the pink site (and they're from the States), but I really don't understand that frame of mind. I like to embrace my whore identity. :)
xdamage
05-11-2005, 02:27 PM
I was just trying to point out that I don't take offense at being called a stripper, and I think the only dancers who do are the type who are in denial about the fact that they are involved in the sex industry. There are some girls like that on the pink site (and they're from the States), but I really don't understand that frame of mind. I like to embrace my whore identity. :)
Honesty with oneself - a very admirable trait ;D
Nicolina gets my vote for ... for... well I don't know what, but it would be something good ;)
Phil-W
05-11-2005, 03:16 PM
I don't think it's a UK thing, really. "Dancer" is, in fact, a softer and more polite word, and if you're trying to get on a stripper's good side, it probably is best to refer to her as a dancer, regardless of on which side of the Big Pond you reside. I do, in fact, use the word dancer more often than I use the word stripper, but it's only because it's a gentler word, and if you're in the subculture you know what 'dancer' means and you don't have to spell it out by saying 'stripper.'
I've always been big on courtesy, and as you say "dancer" is a softer and more polite word. It's not an attempt to get on said dancers good side - I do the whole manners thing anyway: pull out your chair when you sit down for a meal, open doors for you, etc., etc. Courtesy and manners don't cost me a penny/cent.
Going back to the earlier points, from my UK experience, I'd say the average dancer/stripper is slighter better educated than average. I've actually been surprised at the number of dancers who have or who are studying for degrees or similar. The last dancer I talked to had a PhD and ran her own film business - (beats my BSc into the background). [Metallurgy before you ask].
As xdamage said, intelligence is distributed as per the classic bell shaped curve - however, I'd say the curve is skewed towards the "intelligent" end as far as dancers are concerned.
From my experience of UK strip pubs, (which probably attract strip fans of lower income than lap dance clubs), I'd say the curve was skewed in the other direction for customers. You meet some bright individuals, but on the whole I'd have to say I was less impressed by their intelligence than the dancers I speak to.
[Whether you'd get a different result in lap dance clubs , I don't know].
What I do know is that dancers are more interesting than the population as a whole. I frankly have a low boredom threshold. I can go into a "conventional" environment and rapidly find my attention wandering. Usually when I talk to a dancer I rapidly find they've led me into different conversational paths.
[The dancer with the PhD mentioned above had worked on the inter-relationship of body movements to certain mental problems; new to me and rather interesting].
Strange but true - one of the reasons I really like dancers is because they've introduced me to a fair number of ideas/concepts/interests that I'd never have stumbled into myself.
Phil.
Nicolina
05-11-2005, 03:56 PM
At the time I madly typed what was on mind, I was thinking more of Nicolina's wonderfully refreshing comment. I share her sense of ?absurdity? in the matter. But more impressive, as a "dancer" herself, my reaction was that her ability to not-take-her label seriously is a common sign of superior intelligence, and an admirable (and refreshing!) quality we all should strive for.
Hey, thanks, x. That's really nice. :)
xdamage
05-11-2005, 04:47 PM
...however, I'd say the curve is skewed towards the "intelligent" end as far as dancers are concerned. ...
I'll have to defer to your experiences on this.
My club time is severly limited. When I do go, I go alone now. I refuse to go with the guys anymore because they invariably fall into the whole PL thing, and I'd rather just go alone not have to listen to all the BS most of which boils down to "I think she likes me" - jeez.
I'm there to enjoy being near beautiful women. I don't get most guys. Here they are in the presence of women whose beauty would make God himself stop in his tracks and thank himself for bestowing a bit of perfection on an otherwise fucked up world, and it's like they miss the whole fucking thing. Going with the the guys? Just make me want to scream "SHUT THE FUCK UP - CLOSE YOUR FUCKING MOUTHS - YOU ARE SO BUSY FUCKING TALKING YOU ARE MISSING IT!!!" Ah well... the finer things in life, of which beautiful women are one of my favorites, BS and irrelevant chit-chat just diminishes the whole experience for me. The best things in life are best experienced and savored. Talk... often can be a distraction, or at best a vague shadow of the experience itself.
But I severly digress...
The clubs don't really seem all that conducive to honest chat between a man and a woman. I don't do the ATF thing, or the regular thing, or pay strippers to "lets talk". That's just way to PL for me. Don't get me wrong. I don't expect honest meaningful talk in the clubs. The women are there to work. I get that. I just don't have time enough to spend long enough to get past the BS phases.
Stumbling into this board has been most interesting, but somehow I suspect that some of the clear minded women that I've read postings from on this site are exceptional (as in above average intelligence and clarity of thought). I am impressed that there are at least a few guys on this site that aren't PL minded, but they too, I suspect, are the exceptions.
Nicolina
05-11-2005, 05:18 PM
As xdamage said, intelligence is distributed as per the classic bell shaped curve - however, I'd say the curve is skewed towards the "intelligent" end as far as dancers are concerned.
Again, I think your perception here is dictated by the clubs you frequent. (Of course, all you people over there are smarter and better educated than us crass Americans anyway, right? ;))
What I do know is that dancers are more interesting than the population as a whole.
Now, this I believe is true. Generally speaking, that is. You should check out the "Dancers vs. 'Normals'" thread I started awhile back.
I frankly have a low boredom threshold. I can go into a "conventional" environment and rapidly find my attention wandering.
Y'know, I find that Adderall helps with this. ;)
[The dancer with the PhD mentioned above had worked on the inter-relationship of body movements to certain mental problems; new to me and rather interesting].
Sure. Don't you find that you can tell if someone is mentally ill and/or developmentally disabled just by body language?
Strange but true - one of the reasons I really like dancers is because they've introduced me to a fair number of ideas/concepts/interests that I'd never have stumbled into myself.
Doesn't sound so strange to me....Dancers can certainly be a multi-faceted lot.
xdamage
05-11-2005, 05:55 PM
Again, I think your perception here is dictated by the clubs you frequent. (Of course, all you people over there are smarter and better educated than us crass Americans anyway, right? ;))
For all the brain spew I wrote above, it boils down to I have way too little direct experience, so if I was betting my money, I'd bet that dancers are generally of normal intelligence.
That said, there are some ?weak" studys that make associations between physical wellness, and intelligence (not necessarily innate, but expressed intelligence). Put another way, sickly/poor-health/not-in-good-shape people will tend to have their intelligence potential dragged down by the distraction of their bodies. The reverse is that people who are in excellent shape may express more of their mental potential. So again, X goes off on a major fucking tangent ...
a bit more on track, it is possible that strippers , who are generally in good shape, are also generally more intelligent, but I got to tell you, I've been to some sleaze strip joints and many of these women were clearly not in mentally good places, let alone in good physical shape.
bottom line, I don't really care. RIL obvisiously harbors some issues with regards to strippers. If I had to guess, I would guess envy/anger/frustration that for all of his efforts, he can't come to grips with the fact that the strippers have hot bods, he doesn't, and they are getting a lot more sex and physical loving then he ever will. An attack on their intelligence - an easy cheap shot. Join the club RIL - lots and lots and did I mention LOTs of us guys out here who aren't beautiful. This is the way life is bud. If you are lucky, well you have some other assets. Or maybe not. However...
Rather than trying to bring strippers down, try this... be happy for them. Just try it. Happy that someone out there is lucky enough to be sexy sexy sexy. You will find that it makes the world a whole fucking much better place when you view it in terms of being happy for them rather then walking around po'ed at the dancers because they have something you don't have.
Nicolina
05-11-2005, 06:13 PM
Nicolina gets my vote for ... for... well I don't know what, but it would be something good ;)
Whore of the Month?
Third-in-line for the SCJ Princess throne?
National Spokeswoman on Issues of Interest to Ex-Strippers?
Supreme Mistress of Oral Delights? :O
C'mon, what? ;)
xdamage
05-11-2005, 06:13 PM
She is a stripper who may suck your dick if you kiss her ass enough, right
I don't know what Nic's limits are but it's her mouth to do with as she pleases. If she wants to suck some guys dick, fine, what difference does it make to you? It has absolutely NO EFFECT ON YOU AT ALL, and yet it clearly burns your ass.
God (you may use the term metaphorically or however you like, I don't care one way or the ther) didn't make Nicolina and appoint RIL to decide what she can/cannot do with her body parts. The only person's body parts God gave RIL permission to control is RILs body parts.
You need to dig down inside of yourself and figure out what is about the situation above that causes you to feel such anger, such envy perhaps? maybe envy that Nic is lucky enough to have a hot body and you don't?
But this is your problem dude. Your not responsible for what women, let alone stripper women do with their bodies. It has no impact on you at all other then remind you that they have something you don't. Get over it because thats fucking life, everyone lucky enough to gets somethings, some more than others, luck of the draw, easy come easy go, but you don't get the right to tell others how they can/can't use their body. It's not your concern, and if you find yourself feeling envious, disgusted, angry, whatever negative things you feel when you think about a stripper sucking a guys dick, that's your problem, not theirs. Cause guess what? If you were them, if you were born in their shoes, in their bodies, had their brains, their lives as they experienced them, well you'd be them, doing exactly what they are doing.
My guess. Serious fucking stripper envy. If you really really were disgusted you wouldn't be at the clubs. But your not really disgusted. What you are is envious. Maybe, if somehow you can keep putting them down, maybe somehow you get over your feelings of envy. I'll tell you now. That path, it is a dead end. You won't find any happiness trying to convince yourself or others that strippers are inferior because they suck a guys dick. If they do, so fucking what??? If it's between two consenting adults, it's their mouths (and bodies) to do what they want with. You don't have, and never ever will have any say over what they choose to do with their bods, so move on. Focus on what you do with yours.
Nicolina
05-11-2005, 06:20 PM
She is a stripper who may suck your dick if you kiss her ass enough, right, CO?
Quite the opposite, RIL. I don't care much for ass-kissers. I might suck CO's dick if he pulls my hair and calls me his dirty little cocksucking whore. :)
xdamage
05-11-2005, 06:20 PM
Whore of the Month?
Third-in-line for the SCJ Princess throne?
National Spokeswoman on Issues of Interest to Ex-Strippers?
Supreme Mistress of Oral Delights? :O
C'mon, what? ;)
Oh, hell no, nothing like that. I was going to say you have a clear, brilliant mind, very agreeable and pleasant to read your postings. But that just doesn't sound very cool now does it? Hmmm. I guess we could go with " Supreme Mistress of Oral Delights" if you'd prefer - that has a mysterious, and sexy ring to it ;)
All Good Things
05-11-2005, 06:25 PM
While a guy may think im Mr. SE!!! I'm all that! A woman will just think, fine one checklist item, he has some brains. But does he have all the rest of the qualities I am looking for? Does he make me feel good? Because in the end, Mr. SE doesn't mean jack to a woman if there is no feeling, no something special that makes her life feel happy, special, desire, get the picture?
X, you really nailed this one.
Does he make me feel good? It all boils down to exactly that.
yoda57us
05-12-2005, 04:50 AM
This may be a bit off track but the last woman to suck my cock was a retired dancer with a masters degree in abnormal psychology....Make of that what you will...
Phil-W
05-12-2005, 04:54 AM
As xdamage said, intelligence is distributed as per the classic bell shaped curve - however, I'd say the curve is skewed towards the "intelligent" end as far as dancers are concerned.
I think your perception here is dictated by the clubs you frequent. (Of course, all you people over there are smarter and better educated than us crass Americans anyway, right? ;))
Interesting question this - I've been thinking about it for a while.
Firstly, I'll stick with the preception I have that the dancers I've personally talked to have been, on average, more intelligent than the general run of the population. If this perception is true then the dancers I've talked to have been a biased sample, atypical of the population as a whole.
There seem to be two possible explanations for this.
(a) The friendships we form tend to be with people that are socially and intellectually compatible with ourselves. This is very definately true of the dancers I have OTC friendships with. On the intellectual front, one has a degree and one is studying for one. Of the other two, one is a travel fanatic with no interest in study, and the other just content to coast along.
My friendships with the above dancers are several years old, and though them I've met and chatted to a fair few other dancers. These "other" dancers already know of me through the dancer grapevine, and it's not uncommon for them to come up to me for a chat if I'm in a venue. Because they're friends of the dancer's I'm friendly with, they tend to share similar social and intellectual values. The dancers I get into conversation with could thus be self selecting, and hence a biased sample.
(b) Dancers as a whole could be atypical of the general population. I've just gone to the website of one of the major London agencies and checked on the country of origin of all the dancers with current bookings. I got the following results.
UK. 42 dancers.
Western Europe. 5 dancers.
Eastern Europe. 17 dancers.
Scandinavia. 3 dancers.
North America. 4 dancers.
South America. 4 dancers.
Africa. 3 dancers.
Asia. 1 dancer.
Something like half the dancers are from outside the UK. To move from your home country, requires a certain get up and go, so I would suggest many of the non-UK dancers are atypical and brighter than average. (That's not to say the UK dancers are dumb either - of the one's I've talked to several have degrees and at least one a PhD.)
Anyhow, point I was trying to make is that there may be perfectly rational explanations for my assertion that I've found dancers to be brighter than average.
Phil.
PS - one of the "crass" Americans on the above list is without doubt one of the brightest people I've talked to in my entire life.
PPS - I've met some very dumb dancers as well, but conversations with them tend to be rather short-lived, further biasing my perceptions.
xdamage
05-12-2005, 05:33 AM
(a) The friendships we form tend to be with people that are socially and intellectually compatible with ourselves...
Anyhow, point I was trying to make is that there may be perfectly rational explanations for my assertion that I've found dancers to be brighter than average.
I would guess (a) bro. The very few strippers I've taken out any time to talk with, were (overall) quite intelligent, going to school, witty, etc., but that's not terribly surprising. why?
We have a lifetime of practice making approximate assessments about other people based on limited clues. Limited clues like facial expressions, body posture, eye movements, etc., from which an attuned person can detect (with some reasonable probability) how intelligent another person is, likewise people often give off clues when they are mentally illy or retarded. Physical tells - they are the reason why Blackjack dealers are not allowed to look at their hole card, and the reason why Poker players know that Poker ultimately comes down to reading other people had masking your own natural tendencies.
Before any of one jumps down my throat for making a sweeping generalization, remember the Bell Curve. It applies to this too. While you never will be 100% right (exceptions, there are always exceptions) over time your ability to read others improves and you will tend to be right more often then not.
If I was betting Phil, I'd bet you're the type that is attracted to more intelligent women.
Possibly then if RIL has had interactions with so many dumb ones, it's because he may be (?unconsciously?) choosing this type of person. It happens. I believe that often (bell curve, learn it, know it, love it; there are always exceptions) people who have on-going relationship problems with others have them because they choose to hook up with others that feed into their desire to hang onto negativity, chaos, and self destructiveness. Why life would be boring if they didn't have a crisis to wallow in, or someone/something to be POed off at. Chaos, anger, negativity - these things make some people feel important, give their life meaning, gives them something to focus on so they don't have to focus on themselves. Sometimes they choose to hook up with fucked up others because they hope to fix someone else, and thus control someone else. Or to fix someone else, thinking that may if they do so, the other person will be grateful and love them for it - just another form of control.
In the end though, men need to STFU, and take responsibility for the choices they make. If you don't like dumb, valueless strippers, fine, nobody cares. If they are too dumb for you, take responsibility for your own choices, and DON'T GO TO THE CLUBS. Problem solved.
Phil-W
05-12-2005, 08:34 AM
If I was betting Phil, I'd bet you're the type that is attracted to more intelligent women.
You'd win.
I'd also agree with the comments on selecting from visual and verbal clues. For example, body language has long been an interest of mine.
Phil.