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Bridgette
02-08-2007, 12:40 PM
::) Lowering the price only devalues the service. Such has been the case in Houston, where even a $10 dance is hard to sell and girls struggle to make a living without resorting to prostitution. Utterly ridiculous.

Why, mr 423, do you not lower YOUR commissions the way the other RE agents do? Because you don't want to devalue YOUR service, and you shouldn't have to. Likewise, neither should dancers have to. So yeah, obviously you see something wrong with it. But it's ok as long as the shoe is on the other foot, right? ::)

One of the major problems in this country is this pathetic race to the bottom we're in. Everybody wants to pay less and less and less, and the COST of that is getting higher and higher. This crap will be the ruin of the whole damn country. Blame it on politics, blame it on whatever you want. But the biggest problem we've got is that we're racing in the wrong damn direction - down.

Katrine
02-08-2007, 01:24 PM
TGSOE isn't representative of most clubs. The girls that work there know what its about, aka a front for a brothel. Negotiating the price of a BJ is a different beast than negotiating for a dance.

Although most of Houston sucks for clean dancing, EVERYONE understands that the cost of a dance is $20. Just like everyone knows that a 15% gratuity is expected for tipping because that's what the waitperson relies on for their income. EVEN if they don't do a steller job, that's the implied rate.

And TRY, just TRY to not pay me $20 for a song when I was dancing. I would have you kicked out so fucking fast that concrete would be permanently embedded in your sphincter.....EVEN in Houston (some managers actually give a shit about their dancers.)

Its pretty funny, I've been ripped off in Houston more than any other city. But then again, I spent most of my time dancing there, so its hard to determine if correlation equals causation.

Now, here and there, over the years, I've thrown in a free dance if they bought, say, at least 5 dances in a row and were a gentleman.

423texas
02-08-2007, 01:35 PM
::) Lowering the price only devalues the service. Such has been the case in Houston, where even a $10 dance is hard to sell and girls struggle to make a living without resorting to prostitution. Utterly ridiculous.

Why, mr 423, do you not lower YOUR commissions the way the other RE agents do? Because you don't want to devalue YOUR service, and you shouldn't have to. Likewise, neither should dancers have to. So yeah, obviously you see something wrong with it. But it's ok as long as the shoe is on the other foot, right? ::)

One of the major problems in this country is this pathetic race to the bottom we're in. Everybody wants to pay less and less and less, and the COST of that is getting higher and higher. This crap will be the ruin of the whole damn country. Blame it on politics, blame it on whatever you want. But the biggest problem we've got is that we're racing in the wrong damn direction - down.

Hi B,
I'm sorry if I came off harsh. I am empathizing with you. You ask why I haven't cut my commissions. The short answer is because I haven't had to. If market forces continue as they have, I probably will have to. I've got 20 years experience and a good base of referrals plus a good reputation!

But if someone undercuts me, then my client might not give a shit. Do you think that I'm happy that new and/or inexperienced and hungry agents are lowering commissions. Hell no!!! Very analogous to SC's and dancing. There are no set prices! If that's what I (or perhaps you wanted), we should have worked for the US Post Office. But we are both commission workers selling a service.

I remember the SC's of 20 years ago here in Houston. The Bunny Club on Bissonnett and Deja VU on Richmond. I don't seem to remember many girls negotiating or cutting their prices, but this is 20 years later and times have changed.

I wish that things were like they were 20 years ago! But I can't change it. So I have to change!

I don't know if you read my Michael's review but it has a bearing on this point. The girl offered a service and I made a counter offer. She accepted. I could have paid her original price or just said no!

Say I were representing you when you were buying a house (which I would love to see), You saw a house listed for $250,00 and were all set to buy it. I said let me handle it and I made an offer of $200,000, which was accepted. Who is better off in that scenario?

We can't forget that we are selling a service that doesn't have a regulated price. If I go to buy a drink at Michael's, there's a set price, and I wouldn't bargain with the bartender.

But for buying houses or BJ's negotiating is wise and in order.

Bridgette
02-08-2007, 01:53 PM
Actually there IS a set price. All clubs have one and you know it. The managers saying otherwise are, in short, spineless pieces of shit. We are not houses or cars. Girls who accept lower prices are stupid, shortsighted and cutting their own noses off to spite their faces, so to speak. Customers who expect to haggle the price of a dance are, in short, assholes preying on girls' desperation and ignorance.

Word to the (Houston customer) wise: Stay in Houston because we don't want your shitty "business" anywhere else.

But we've gotten way off-topic and I'm in no mood to discuss this crap yet again. I won't negotiate my price ever. I know my worth and I know how to sell it. And that's that.


To get back to the topic, IMO any money back guarantee offer when selling a dance is just stupid and asking for hassles.

noctina
02-08-2007, 02:16 PM
i agree with bridgette that lowering the price is devaluing the service. i would never do 4 dances for $60, that just makes me look cheap... as if i'm not worth $20 per dance and i'm so desperate that i'll settle for less than the other girls. personally, i kinda feel a tad insulted when a guy expects that...

i can also understand your point though, that it's better to make SOME money than to say "sorry, i don't negotiate" and end up doing ZERO dances. i still hate negotiating and will only do it on the absolute worst nights. and even then, the cheapest i'll go is 3 for $50 because then only the last dance is 1/2 off. it's better than the guy only buying 2 for $40.... i don't mind staying with him for another 3 minutes for an extra $10. i wouldn't have made an extra $10 by leaving the guy, you know?

also, i think it's good to throw in some free dances on guys who are big spenders. i don't mind throwing in an extra dance if the guy spends over $100! i mean, the guy just spent that much money in probably less than a half hour. you already made excellent money, so it doesn't hurt to stay with him for a few more minutes. then they will feel like they spent their money on a nice girl. :) but like katrine said.... they only deserve that if they were a GENTLEMAN!

423texas
02-08-2007, 06:57 PM
i agree with bridgette that lowering the price is devaluing the service. i would never do 4 dances for $60, that just makes me look cheap... as if i'm not worth $20 per dance and i'm so desperate that i'll settle for less than the other girls. personally, i kinda feel a tad insulted when a guy expects that...

i can also understand your point though, that it's better to make SOME money than to say "sorry, i don't negotiate" and end up doing ZERO dances. i still hate negotiating and will only do it on the absolute worst nights. and even then, the cheapest i'll go is 3 for $50 because then only the last dance is 1/2 off. it's better than the guy only buying 2 for $40.... i don't mind staying with him for another 3 minutes for an extra $10. i wouldn't have made an extra $10 by leaving the guy, you know?

also, i think it's good to throw in some free dances on guys who are big spenders. i don't mind throwing in an extra dance if the guy spends over $100! i mean, the guy just spent that much money in probably less than a half hour. you already made excellent money, so it doesn't hurt to stay with him for a few more minutes. then they will feel like they spent their money on a nice girl. :) but like katrine said.... they only deserve that if they were a GENTLEMAN!

I agree with you and I agree with Bridgitte too! Something got lost in translation.

I hate to cut my commissions and have hardly ever done it. But sometimes I don't think it's wise to "Cut my nose off, to spite my face!"!

I think I'm the best Realtor in Houston and will give a customer the best service imaginable for my 3% commission! But if a client is offered representation at 2%, I have 2 choices.

I can match it and get the business, albeit at a reduced rate, or I can say, that "I'm not going to devalue myself, and turn the listing down and make nothing".

Here's what I'm trying to say that might have been lost in translation. I'm 100% in the Dancer's corner and I never would negotiate unless I was countering an offer made to me( which shows that the dancer is a negotiating type!).

Also, when I said that there is no official price for dances I meant by the legal and traditional definitions. I totally agree that the price for a dance is $20 (at least here in Houston, and anyone that pays less is a cheapskate), but for whatever reason the owners and management of SC's have told me many times that dances are considered gratuities legally!

AAMOF, I have seen customers run up cash tabs here in Houston ( @Centerfolds), and then refuse to pay. Typically for 2 to 10 dances. Are these customers arrested. Absolutely not. They are banned and warned pretty harshly, but every owner and manager that I know said that they won't/can't press a theft of charges case! And the dancer gets cheated out of her tab.

Do I think this is right. Hell no! But it's treated like a case of someone that refuses to pay a tip. Sure it's creepy, cheap, and wrong, but I can assure you that is how it's handled here in Houston!

I guess this is another reason to make sure you get paid up front. I have never heard of anyone paying up front, and then the customer demanding their money back and getting it back! And I'm sure that owners and managers would back the dancer in that situation.

423texas
02-08-2007, 08:54 PM
Yeah, see and it's wrong and sad.

But the club is not necessarily backing the customer.

They are covering their own ass. Remember, a dance in Houston is legally considered a gratuity.

So, if management backs the dancer it would be like trying to get a customer to a pay a tip for his dinner, when there is no notice of a mandatory tip on the menu. If the customer wants to stiff the waiter he can and there is no recourse.

Now, the clubs could protect the dancers if they posted prices or even had something in their menu about mandatory dance rates. But they never do. I'm not sure why, but I'm sure it's to protect their own ass. Something to do with an employer contractor relationship. I can ask some Lawyer friends why all the SC owners operate like this.

A final point about the managers. It's not them! I was in Centerfolds one night when a customer did this to a dancer. He had her do a bunch of dances and then said he couldn't or wouldn't pay. The Centerfolds Manager Nick was outraged and got right in the customer's face and got pretty radical. But the customer must have known the law, and he refused to pay He was unceremoniously kicked out, but the dancer was out her $$$.

It wasn't the Manager's Nick's fault, but I guarantee you when it comes down to it, the clubs and managers will cover their own asses and not the dancers.

Now, this is all in Houston, and I'm sure of the legalities. Is it different in other states? I'm asking? Does anyone know for sure of a state where the customer would be charged with theft of service and either arrested or forced to pay?

423texas
02-08-2007, 09:32 PM
Not doubting you, but is that a Texas law (which employer/contractor relationships would normally fall under) or a Houston city ordinance (which might be something about Entertainment/SOB rules)? Do you have a citation?

If I decide to get a haircut in Houston to look better for my SC visit, since many barber shops work on the strip club principle where an IC pays to rent a chair from the proprietor, can I refuse to pay for the haircut since it must be a tip?

I believe this situation would be covered by state law. There might be implications ih the original 1997 SOB ordinance and Judge Atlas's ruling last week.

As to your question. If there is a posted or implied rate, then you are responsible for paying that amount. If by tradition and practice a tip is usually paid in addition to the posted price, you are not obligated to pay that tip which is an optional gratuity.

If you didn't pay for the Haircut, it would be theft of services and you could be subject to arrest, and forced to pay. It you chose to stiff the hair-cutter for their tip, it is considered gratuity and you could do so. You would be an asshole and wouldn't be wanted back, but there's nothing the hair cutter could do.

This is both similar and not similar to a dancer being paid for her dance. Even though many people, even in Texas, think so, there is no posted official price for a dance. There is a traditional price of $20, and almost everyone knows that, but it is not a mandated price like a steak or a drink, or a hair cut!

So, in a nutshell, dancers are not paid in a 2 tier payment system. There's no mandated price plus a gratuity. It's all gratuity, which is an optional payment. As I said, and I'm not a Lawyer, I'm quite sure it's structured this way to cover the ass of the SC owners within the law.

BTW: I have a copy of the original 1997 SOB ordinance and Judge Nancy Atlas's ruling last week. They are pretty long PDF files and I'll try to post them here. If it doesn't work, PM me your Email and I'll Email them to you if you are interested.

I just tried to attach the files but they are too long to attach to the SW post! If anyone wants a copy, PM me!

Bridgette
02-08-2007, 10:24 PM
See, I think the notion that you'll make NOTHING by turning down a cheapass buyer is a bit of a fallacy. What about the OTHER potential buyers you are missing by dealing with the cheapass? I think this is a shortsighted mistake many sellers make - going for the instant gratification rather than moving along to the next customer.

Turning down the cheapass only means you're going to make nothing in THAT particular instant, but by leaving that one NOW and moving on you make yourself available to buyers who may very well pay full price.

In my experience, turning down the cheapass has ALWAYS paid off - I move right along and get a full price buyer. Let the cheapasses sit - if other folks wanna cheapen themselves and their service for them, let them.


One more thing - the price of a dance very much IS a PRICE, not a GRATUITY. It would ONLY be a gratuity (tip) if we were PAID EMPLOYEES WORKING FOR THE CLUB, which we are NOT. Clubowners and managers who claim the price of our service is ANYTHING but a PRICE are spineless idiots, pure and simple. Ask the IRS. This is just another example of clubowners trying to treat us as employees when it suits them and contractors when it suits them. :beat:

If some dumbass judge wants to side with clubowners on this one, that only shows how stupid that judge is and in whose pockets s/he plays.

Katrine
02-08-2007, 10:28 PM
Ok, I'm a little drunk and havn't read the entire exchange as I need to go to bed. Strip club is NOT FUCKING REAL ESTATE. At some point, its not about pure sales, but the drive and motivation of the specific industry. You simply cannot derive a parallel analogy from it.

So Texas, quit being and asshole and trying to relate to us. You cannot. The cost of a dance is $20. Anything at TGSOE above and beyond is prostitution haggling, and it belongs on ASPD, NOT on stripperweb. Buh-bye.

423texas
02-08-2007, 10:34 PM
See, I think the notion that you'll make NOTHING by turning down a cheapass buyer is a bit of a fallacy. What about the OTHER potential buyers you are missing by dealing with the cheapass? I think this is a shortsighted mistake many sellers make - going for the instant gratification rather than moving along to the next customer.

Turning down the cheapass only means you're going to make nothing in THAT particular instant, but by leaving that one NOW and moving on you make yourself available to buyers who may very well pay full price.

In my experience, turning down the cheapass has ALWAYS paid off - I move right along and get a full price buyer. Let the cheapasses sit - if other folks wanna cheapen themselves and their service for them, let them.

Good point. If someone( a salesperson, I mean) has the confidence, esteem, and experience, I believe you are right.

But, unfortuneately, in stripping, real estate, and many other commission jobs, I don't believe all sellers are smart enough (for different reasons) to be at that point.

As I said before, especially with newbies, and overly hungry salespeople in any field. They are the ones that are causing the situation.

Cheers!

Lola Rose
02-09-2007, 12:54 AM
As I said before, especially with newbies, and overly hungry salespeople in any field. They are the ones that are causing the situation.

Cheers!

and custys like you are the one's taking advantage of that, when you admit to knowing better. You should take a bit of responsibility as well, you are as gulty of causing this situation as them, if not more so!

Our bodies are not a commodity to be negotiated on. End of story.

PookaShell
02-09-2007, 12:55 AM
Word to the (Houston customer) wise: Stay in Houston because we don't want your shitty "business" anywhere else.


Nooooo. Don't stay. *Pooka runs away*

WallyT
02-09-2007, 08:02 AM
A quick question for the ladies in this thread -- if your club allowed you to charge ANY AMOUNT for a dance, what would you charge?

One or two $500 dances would make bank for the night, right?

When one club I liked raised the price of a dance to $30, a dancer I knew offered me a 3/$75 deal. I suggested the same arrangement to a different lady in the club, and she accepted it too. (I always tip over and above the dance price when I get several, but lady #2 didn't know that).

I was told later that lady #2 was threatened with firing for taking less per dance.

Say I only have $150 to spend on laps one night. If I go to a $25 club I can get 6 dances, but only 5 at a $30 club. Which is better for the dancers in the club, $150 for 6 songs or $0 for 0 songs because me and my wallyt are down the road?

Not so very long ago dances were $10, and I still spent the same $150 though I may have come back a second night to do it. On a great night you all will obviously make more at $100 per than 25 -- but how many nights are just average?

What would you charge if you could charge any amount you wished?

:-\

WallyT

Everyman
02-09-2007, 09:48 AM
Our bodies are not a commodity to be negotiated on. End of story.


A quick question for the ladies in this thread -- if your club allowed you to charge ANY AMOUNT for a dance, what would you charge?

One or two $500 dances would make bank for the night, right?



I think you have to acknowledge that these are related points. If it's "not negotiable," why not set the non-negotiable lap dance rate at $500? Or if you can meet an 89-year-old oil tycoon, $89 million?

There is a natural market price point -- which might be affected by such variables as what other clubs in town charge, what other girls in your club look like/are willing to do/are willing to charge, disposable income in the area, etc etc. To assume that the price set by the club at all times matches the natural market price point is somewhat naive, I think.

Jenny
02-09-2007, 12:20 PM
Especially if the dancer makes the first offer. Something like, "I'll do 3 dances for $50, Baby". I'll say why not 4 for $60. I'm in the sales field too and find nothing wrong with that.
See, I'm a lousy salesperson. I would answer that with a "...um.. because I get less money that way...let's just stick with 3 for 50."


After all, dancing is not regulated in the sense that the prices are fixed. I know lot's of SC managers here in Houston, and everyone of them says that a dance is treated like a gratuity, and there can be a "suggested amount", but there is never a fixed amount.
Really? Because I also know a lot of strip club managers, although not in Houston and none of them have EVER told me that the dance cost is a gratuity. I'm an independent contractor; the dance price is my FEE. If it were a tip I'd be working for free, which isn't really legal except in specific circumstances. Never once have I been told by a manager "Well most girls charge $20, but it's up to you." I'm always told "Dances are $20, VIP is $x an hour" or whatever. It's not government mandated, but neither is the price of drinks. I occasionally get a free round from my local; it doesn't mean that I try to bargain a free drink whenever I go in. Now a lot of girls do either bargain (boo) or offer freebies (less boo). I've seen managers in a lot of club discipline girls for excessive bargaining. You are not meant to undercut the other girls. They let it slide if you (as I have occasionally) do like 6 dances for the cost of 5. If you start doing a whackload of 2fers you're going to hear about it. So really, to be honest - I think you're making that part up. Like I have a hard time believing that several managers have told you that the dance fee is a tip.

Once, anecdotally, I had a guy ask me to do 3 for 2. I refused, but said i would consider doing 6 for 5. (that is my minimum. I view that kind of discount as customer relations, and don't feel it drastically undercuts the other girls). He asked if I'd do five for four and I said no, 6 for 5 is my final offer. He said "what's the difference" and I said (well duh) "Well, I get more money." He agreed, we danced 5 songs, and I asked him to settle before doing the 6th. He said okay and handed me - $80. I said he owed me another $20, and he said to just not worry about the free song. I said, fine, thanks, but you STILL owe me another $20. And he seriously thought I was just going to let him walk out. I got $18, but I had to do without the $2. And I refused to do the extra song - trying to rip me off completely vitiates the deal.

Jenny
02-09-2007, 12:26 PM
Say I only have $150 to spend on laps one night. If I go to a $25 club I can get 6 dances, but only 5 at a $30 club. Which is better for the dancers in the club, $150 for 6 songs or $0 for 0 songs because me and my wallyt are down the road?

That's a ridiculously loaded question - by which I mean you just loaded the answer into it. You might as well ask "What's better: $20 for 4 songs or $0 for 0 songs?" It costs what it costs and because we are a wholly labour and time based industry we can't just make it up by selling more. If we were selling hammers, and we cut our profit per hammer down to sell more hammers, we can just order a whole bunch more hammers. We can't do that with our time. This is why a race to the bottom is much more insidious in industries that don't have products.

On the other hand - maybe it is just normal market regulation. Maybe a lapdance really is only "worth" $15 or $10. But - really, don't expect us to take that lying down. Or sitting up.

WallyT
02-09-2007, 01:38 PM
That's a ridiculously loaded question - by which I mean you just loaded the answer into it. You might as well ask "What's better: $20 for 4 songs or $0 for 0 songs?" It costs what it costs and because we are a wholly labour and time based industry we can't just make it up by selling more. If we were selling hammers, and we cut our profit per hammer down to sell more hammers, we can just order a whole bunch more hammers. We can't do that with our time. This is why a race to the bottom is much more insidious in industries that don't have products.

On the other hand - maybe it is just normal market regulation. Maybe a lapdance really is only "worth" $15 or $10. But - really, don't expect us to take that lying down. Or sitting up.

A "race to the bottom" should be less of a concern where personal services are involved. Me, I still go to the $30 club, but I tend to get dances from ladies I know. Out of a limited entertainment budget there is less wallyt available to meet new ladies with than when a get acquainted dance was only $10 or even $20.

Although lots of ladies have offered me "X dances for $Y" deals, I can only think of a small handful that said "this one's on me" after I'd already gotten several dances. You can bet that I went back to see THEM again.

I probably didn't express myself very clearly. "How low would you go" was not the intent of my question (nor is it a truly ethical question when the sale of labor is concerned. I would NOT enjoy a lapdance when I was taking advantage of the dancer and I hope MOST gentlemen wouldn't). That is why I prefer to focus on the higher end, which is how much a lady would charge if setting the price was up to her. It's a more interesting question, too - there are less numbers to choose between 0 and 30 than between $10 and a lady's wildest dreams.

::)

WallyT

Lola Rose
02-09-2007, 03:24 PM
The clubs set prices to be attainable and in most cases, non negotible. One club I've worked at had dances priced 20-30$ each, and deals were fine. But the point is I expect to get at least the minimum per dance of 20$. Charging 500$ as a flat fee is outrageous and can get you fired. At this point this thread has become, lets be rediculous to prove a point, and it's way off topic.

Bridgette
02-16-2007, 05:54 AM
Apparently this bears repeating:

THE PRICE OF A DANCE IN ANY CITY OR CLUB IS A FEE, A PRICE, NOT A TIP. IT COULD ONLY BE A TIP IF WE WERE EMPLOYEES PAID BY THE CLUB. SINCE WE ARE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS SELLING OUR OWN SERVICE, IT CAN ONLY BE A FEE/PRICE, BECAUSE NONE OF US ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING IT FOR FREE.

Furthermore, when you negotiate a price for the service, either implied or explicitly, you are agreeing to the PRICE, not some bullshit tip, and refusing to pay after receiving said service IS and ALWAYS will be theft of service. The fact that managers, owners and asshole cops may not enforce this is a whole other matter but it does NOT change the fact that it's a PRICE and refusing to pay is still THEFT OF SERVICE.

If you think this isn't right or legal, in Houston or anywhere else, you're a deluded dumbass.

Tina
02-16-2007, 05:44 PM
You really have to look at the club and the situation. There are not always any more customers to try and sell if you choose to turn one down. Take my small club situation. We have 5 dancers working, 4 guys who are regulars who just come in for a drink and not to buy dances. They may tip $1 occasionally and that's it. Besides them there are 6 customers on the floor, 2 whom I have sold dances to, 1 who is getting dances from another girl, and 2 guys that aren't biting. One of these 2 guys tells me that he has $15 and that is it and will I give him a dance for that. I have no other prospects, know he is poor, so I take the $15 instead of nothing. By the way I would only do this in a club that doesn't get $5 from each dance we do.

The other night a guy had been tipping me on stage, then said he was going home to rob the piggy bank. He came back with $10 plus a silver $1 coin. That was all he had. The club gets none of our dance money, and it was a somewhat slow night. I sold 14 $20 dances for the night fortunately to 4 different guys and there was no one else left to sell. He asked if he could have a dance for that and said yes. It was $11 more than I had and I was getting ready to go home as there were no more guys left to sell.

Another scenario at the same club is one guy who come in and tips all 5 of us, and buys 3 dances for $50 from each of us. That is a $10 cut, but everyone knows that is the way he works and that $50 makes a difference.

Other than scenarios like that, I am not open to barter unless there is no money in the club, and then I won't give too much on my price.

Bridgette
02-16-2007, 07:44 PM
^Well, the way I solve that problem is by working in busier clubs. I just flatout refuse to take less than regular price for a dance, no matter what. The only time I have ever done it was when some kid only had $19, the price was $20 and by taking his $19 immediately I was better off than waiting another song for the $20 from someone else. It was a one-time deal that I have never done before or since in all my years dancing. I don't even give free dances to regulars - I can't get my time back so I'll be damned if I give it away for free.


Tina, I assume that this club you describe is overall a decent and profitable place to work or you wouldn't continue working there, so I'm not gonna even think about telling you to go to a busier club.

But in most cases, I almost always recommend going to busier club(s) where you don't have to deal with such slow business and dudes literally breaking the piggy bank for a dance!

Tina
02-16-2007, 08:37 PM
Yeah, the piggy bank guy was kind of a trip. We laughed about it when I got back in after work. That silver dollar may be worth something one day. Ha ha. I do get some good customers there plus we sell costumes there too.

Usually a handful of guys spend the most money just like anywhere else, but unlike big city clubs where guys are trying to hustle you, some of these guys look so pitiful. One time a guy empied his pockets out on the table to see how much dance money he had. LOL.

Bridgette
02-17-2007, 12:58 AM
^^LOL!! I can just see it, you counting the poor guy's money on the table and telling him how many dances he could get. Actually I would do exactly that in that situation. "Ok babe you've got $53 dollars here - that's 2 dances, a $5 tip and a drink! Let's go!" Too funny ;D

Yeah, I know it has to be a decent place for you overall or you wouldn't keep working there. We both know I don't have to tell you to look for better clubs when the situation calls for it ;)

VegasPrincess
02-20-2007, 01:59 PM
LMFAO. I say something really similar, but I think it's better because it's not saying I WOULD give money back.. I say,

Customer: Are your dances worth X amount of dollars?

Me: Well, sweetheart, I've never had anyone ask for their money back.

They generally laugh and I get the dance. It's the same effect, but they don't get a refund if they don't like it.

Ivory0211
02-26-2007, 03:33 PM
I don't think I've ever guaranteed a lap dance, but I have promised that they wouldn't leave disappointed & a few times I've stated that they'd more than likely leave hard.

Lola Rose
02-26-2007, 04:34 PM
LMFAO. I say something really similar, but I think it's better because it's not saying I WOULD give money back.. I say,

Customer: Are your dances worth X amount of dollars?

Me: Well, sweetheart, I've never had anyone ask for their money back.

They generally laugh and I get the dance. It's the same effect, but they don't get a refund if they don't like it.

I like this!!! It's confident and cocky, says you're good. About the opposite of saying money back guarentee, b/c that's weak.

PhillyDancer1982
02-26-2007, 04:55 PM
But for buying houses or BJ's negotiating is wise and in order.

Wait a minute here people...was 423texas trying to imply that strippers give blowjobs(BJ's)??? WTF?! >:(

Dude I've noticed that a lot of realtor guys are sleazy and slick. 423texas, I sure hope you don't work for an asinine company called Home Vestors! I ran into a few loser realtor guys at strip clubs, and this one asshole who works for Home Vestors(I think they buy/sell from inexperiened/naive people or people with bad credit? shows what kind of a company they are), and he tried to hustle ME(even though it was at MY job) to buy a house right now. Why would buying a house right-this-minute be a good idea, when I owed a lot on my car loan, didn't have a down payment, had an apartment lease that is difficult to get out of, and am an entry-level employee(which means that because I didn't have a stable career job yet, I was prone to relocating to other cities if job opps required it)??? Of course my "interest" in buying a house from him was faked just for the sake of politeness(I don't know why I even did that), but when I am ready to buy a house...I'd rather pay $2000/month to rent a place on the floor of a HOMELESS SHELTER before I'd EVER buy from that male-bitch! Stupid realtors will try to tell you anything to get you to buy, buy, buy. Sleazy.

cinammonkisses
03-05-2007, 07:29 AM
Has anyone said Ill have a money back guarantee? I find if a customer is on the verge but still not agreeing to a LD I pull this line and 90% of the time get the dance. Most guys kinda laugh and say ok.... Ive yet to give the money back yet and I dont think they really ever expect to get money back but just like the line. Has anyone else ever tried a money back guarantee?

I never give a money back guarantee cause there is always some ass who says he isn't satisfied. What I do say is, "I've never had anyone want their money back" that usually seals the deal for me.

GoldCoastGirl
03-05-2007, 08:15 AM
A quick question for the ladies in this thread -- if your club allowed you to charge ANY AMOUNT for a dance, what would you charge?

I would charge $20 per song, 3 songs for $50, 4 songs for $70 and 6 songs for $100. Why? It is easy to work with as money comes in $100, $50, $20 and $10 bills so guys will always have one or many of them on them to make it an 'easy' sell. It gives every guy an option and also me many option to sell without selling myself short.

I do well when working with these lap dance prices and in a club where I get to keep all of the money I am given (fee clubs). This way I can concentrate on selling the higher priced dances and/or get multiple $50 dances (I would actually never offer the $20 dance unless he already has purchased $50 or more in dances - I would only ever give the $20 option as an 'extention' option not an 'up-front' option as such) thus work less for more ;)

BaileyBanksNBiddle
03-06-2007, 11:07 PM
If a guy asked for his $ back I would just tell him to bad. If hes an ass its not like I ever want to dance for him again anyway! :-P

BmiWMT14
03-07-2007, 12:24 PM
The last time I was in Daytona at Lolipops, there was a sign by the LD area, that stated and I am paraphrasing here , " Failure to to pay will result in arrest for theft of services"

I dont know how they do things is Texas, but in Fla, it is a fee for a service, not a Tip

Veronica504
03-16-2007, 05:42 PM
I couldn't see someone asking for their money back. If they did I would just laugh it off "surely you can't be serious?" then walk away. Then again, I find satisfaction in being a bit snobby.