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Bridgette
06-14-2005, 10:50 PM
BG, IF it would work like that. Yes it would be good for everyone. But the thing is, it DOESN'T work like that. Making the DJ pay a house fee will only result in costing the DANCERS, and in turn the CUSTOMERS (and again ultimately the DANCERS) more money. That's all. Just another way clubowner greed is ruining this business.

vegasgirl702
06-15-2005, 02:05 AM
i don't mind tipping the d.j. if he plays my song, but at my club we're required to tip out the dj, and he seems to have "favorites," who always seem to have "their song" playing for them when they go onstage. The funny thing is that if I give him a big tip on a cetrain night, he'll play my songs for me..........if I leave him a smaller tip if i didn't go so good another night, he seems to forget........
Ive kinda gotten used to the bad dj thing, because it seems wherever you go you wont get your exact songs played all of the time.
I've decided to not be specific about songs, but just tell them the type of music that i like to dance to (r n b, tecno, etc) because no matter what Ill put on a damn good stage show whatever they put on..................................unless its country lol!!

Dj Captain Rob
07-08-2005, 01:47 PM
[QUOTE=velvet]i dont know bgmm. i have danced in fl for over 10 years and i dont know any dj's that pay to work. on the contrary a few i know do get a shift pay. at one club they got a shift pay untill a few years back but they dont pay to work there.

as far as the 10%. i tip between 20 and 40 EVERY night. somtimes if i do VERY well i'll tip 50. i have tipped up to 60 to my fav. however. if i make i grand i WILL NOT tip 100. if a dj turns his nose up at 50 bucks screw him he should be happy with that.
also to add i never go on stage so this is all for the privledge of him skipping me. he does no work for me whatsoever

That dosent sound unreasonable, i dont think i know anyone that would turn up there nose at 50, that is just greed past that point.

Hate
07-08-2005, 05:01 PM
They can,and in some places have,replaced us(not me,not you) with PCDJ and Atomix etc on some shifts.All the girls have thier fav music in thier own file already,the comp just shifts around in that.Before the next girl gets on stage,all she has to do,or the bartender has to do,is click and drag the next girls file in line.

And we dj's developed the programs!
Then we showed them how to use it!!
I think we were asleep at the wheel.

If they could figure out how to replace our MC work,do you think the SC DJ would survive the next 5 years??
I dont(cause they cant!!LOL)but if they could,i bet they would.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news to ya Green but check out DRS2006. It can be done. Sorry to have to be the one to tell ya. I understand that you would love to se a way to weed out the bad dj's but the decline this industry has taken over the past few years, I have to agree with what alof of ppl here have already said, it is a way for clubowners to pocket more money. I personally feel if a dj or any employee of a club is not performing up to standard, management needs to deal with it in the form of, as you said in one of the clubs you worked at, "shown the door". If the dj is not doing his job as well as he should in this industry, the ladies will definately let him know even if management does not.
As far as the subtopic that has come up of how much entertainers tip. A tip is just that, A TIP. Whether it be $5 a shift, 10% a shift, or even $50 a night, it is a tip. Most clubs I have worked in do require you to tip out the dj and they do have a minimum of how much that is. I'm sorry but that is not a tip, that is a fee. If you feel you need to pay me the minimum you can every night, then that is you. I will not talk you down when I work but remember, you get what you pay for. So when the girl that made $1500 the night before and tipped me $100 gets talked up most of the night, you know why that is.
A good dj will not talk down any dancer. If he does he needs to get "shown the door". A good dj will know what music or beat you like and move best to, will be able to read the crowd and find the midway point between you, them , and the next dancer coming up with you. We are not perfect but we try. A good dj will work with you when nobody wanted to go in VIP all night. A good dj will keep up with what is current in the music industry. A good dj will be happy when you come to him at the end of the night to pay him. Remember we do alot more than just pick songs. We keep the rotation going, keep the music going, and try to HELP sell you. As I said in a previous post I have no sympathy for the entertainer that sits in the dressing room all night or in the corner bitchin about all the money she isn't making cause of this or that. We help you sell lapdances and stagedances, we can't go down and make them tip you more or buy lapdances from you.

Green I hope and pray that management and owners don't learn how to do away with us, I enjoy what I do and even do a great job when left alone. I am also not a big fan of charging a dj to work. Again if there is a problem with the dj he needs to be dealt with, why make the rest of the good ones pay for bad dj's and management's lack of a pair of balls to do what needs to be done. This is just my opinion though. I'm not a big fan of this kamikazee thing I'm also about 5 margaritas deep right now. LOL

Paris
07-08-2005, 05:28 PM
The club needs to pay their DJ's!! It is ridiculous to think of Dj's paying to do this job. Do the djs need to be interviewed or will the club just let anyone with valid ID and the house fee work the booth?

The reason why dancers can be independent contractors is because they can come and go as they please, taking weeks off at a time, or leaving in the middle of shifts, Amoungst other reasons.

I will put in a vehement NO WAY should a dj have to pay to work, UH-UH, NOPE!

Paris
07-08-2005, 05:33 PM
On another side note, if the dj is an independent contractor, requiring a set fee (say $20 a shift) will I be required to issue him a 1099 form for the money I paid him over the course of the year in order to use my dj fees as a tax deduction?

Will the dj write me recipts for my tip outs as proof of payment?

Just curious...

Mastridonicus
07-08-2005, 05:44 PM
it depends. Do you claim all your money before or after the tip out?

BigGreenMnM
07-08-2005, 06:10 PM
The club needs to pay their DJ's!! It is ridiculous to think of Dj's paying to do this job. Do the djs need to be interviewed or will the club just let anyone with valid ID and the house fee work the booth?

Well,it depends on the club really.
In many small and mid level clubs,its always been,the guy who had a music collection got at least a look,if the club didnt have music or records(because the last dj left and took his music with him),the job goes to the first guy who walks in the door with a music collection remotely close to what the clubs format is/was.
Doesnt matter what they look like,what they dress like,or really what they sound like on the mic.
Alot of times,it doesnt matter if they sell weed,sleep with all the girls and cause drama,or just sit there and say nothing all night long.
Now its really bad,any guy who has a computer and the time to download can amass the same music collection as a gristled veteran in a matter of days or weeks.

Just as you have shitty entertainers who just happen into the industry,its exactly the same now,and as I said,with the introduction of comp dloads,even worse, now with the dj's.




The reason why dancers can be independent contractors is because they can come and go as they please, taking weeks off at a time, or leaving in the middle of shifts, Amoungst other reasons.

Is that the reason or even in the top 10????
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
Maybe thats the reason why so many entertainers dont take it so seriouse(being a legal subcontractor,with the ability to change and control this industry)
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH!!!!!!!!!!
Cant belive ya even said that!!!!!!



I will put in a vehement NO WAY should a dj have to pay to work, UH-UH, NOPE!
They said the same thing about strippers...
"No way should a woman get naked for men and have to pay"

BigGreenMnM
07-08-2005, 06:16 PM
On another side note, if the dj is an independent contractor, requiring a set fee (say $20 a shift) will I be required to issue him a 1099 form for the money I paid him over the course of the year in order to use my dj fees as a tax deduction?

owch,dealing the tax card!!!!!!

But just so you know,in VA its 600.00,then i gotta report.



Will the dj write me recipts for my tip outs as proof of payment?

Just curious...
well yea,if you insist,I got no probs with it.
You would,of course,have to sign for it,cause my tax guy would insist.

But if we were really in this together(you know,you watch my back,i watch yours,etc),I would only write you 580.00 worth,then you wouldnt have to claim me,and I wouldnt have to claim you.

Doesnt mean we gotta swap spit or take long walks by the pale moonlight.

TerpsichoreToo
07-08-2005, 06:39 PM
I am pretty sure the DJ's in the better clubs I have worked in also pay the house fee. I know I was surprised the first time I learned about this though.

I think it is a good idea for many of the same reasons BigGreenMnM has pointed out in this thread.

DancerNTampa
07-23-2005, 08:22 AM
The club I work at here in Tampa has the best tip out I've seen compared to any other club I've worked at. We tip out $42 total..thats it..never more...we give it to the door girl on our way out and the money is pooled and disbursed among the manager, door girl, bouncers and waitresses. I dont mind tipping all these people, because the tip out total is so low, I usually try to make that with my first custy...dances here are 20-30 per song....

We have a juke box, so theres no DJ tip out...

Also...If you have a bad night, they dont mind if you tip out less...The other night I tipped out only 20..it was a crappy night for me...

Our owner is one of the nicest owners I've ever known...He tells us ( and the staff) that tip out is NOT required...if we dont tip out, we cant be punished...although i have to admit, if youre not in the "in" crowd, theyll just find another reason to suspend you. No biggie...all they ask is that you tip SOMETHING out....i like that...not alot of places are so lenient about tipping out

Crissychan
07-23-2005, 12:06 PM
How do ya'll feel about the amount to tip out the DJ when you just get either bought off stage or sell a bottle? I still tipped my $20 but I know for a fact that management and the DJ get to split my buy off fee of 20 per rotation.

threlayer
07-23-2005, 04:59 PM
The whole tip-out and fine system is corrupt and completely unfair, seems to me. Plus it can affect the status as employee or independent contractor.

This has been discussed thoroughly in Dollar Den.

If a club has a decent management they will be up on worker productivity and quality anyway. But if they are schmoozing with high rollers or setting up their next dancer-lay, or puffing the crack-pipe, or are just plain incompetent, maybe they need some sort of analysis tool that some one else has to manage for them. Seems to me that dancers and waitresses should have a choice of employee or contractor; and all other staff should be time-clocked or salaried if valuable and responsible enough.

But I don't know financial workings of club, just the effect on dancers and the relevant tax laws.

What is out there for the most part is a pretty scummy operations business and fairness-wise. So really I guess my question is how can workers demand or force better management and fair labor practices, even if management has to roll over and sell out. And yet not torpedo the whole worker-management system so they have no income at all. And for some, still maintain the under-the-table income they shortsightedly are used to.