Log in

View Full Version : Oh no! (Aruba)



Pages : 1 [2]

Rhiannon
06-11-2005, 01:12 AM
That's awful. Exactly what I feared happened to her. I feel sorry for her family. :(

VenusGoddess
06-11-2005, 06:22 AM
Crazy, crazy fucking people.

My condolences go out to her friends and family.

How sad.

I wonder how strongly this will affect Aruba's tourist scene? It was highly publicized...

whirlerz
06-11-2005, 06:53 AM
Yes, it's very sad, she was an excellent student, promising future, so young. So sorry for her family. It was mentioned a lot that it's feared about the tourist trade being cut back because of this.

BigGreenMnM
06-11-2005, 12:30 PM
I think they will see a decline in the student travel groups to say the least,and i would bet its going to suck as a tourist vendor over the next few years.
Aruba is going to feel a huge, undeserved, cut in tourist travel.
The response will be to drop the prices to get everyone to come back.
The entire island will be on sale,from hotels,flights in and out(specially from the states)meals,tee shirts,etc Everything!
Incredible that 1 guy can actually possibly bankrupt this small island!!!

SthnrnGrl77
06-11-2005, 02:06 PM
omfg what a waste ! so senseless too ! :(
what gets into people ?

Pamela
06-11-2005, 03:07 PM
I had a dream about her at first, because she did remind me of a girl i knew in school.

She was dead. And her body is not in the ocean. In the dream i waa not sure if that is where her body was put....But i remember crying, and people found her on land.

That was all i remember.....Odd. But i posted that it was not slavery, and that i had said my prayer for her and i know pray for her family before a confession.

They need to comb the dry land ALOT.

Call it fucked up dreams...

Pamela

madmaxine
06-11-2005, 03:49 PM
Hiding her on land would have made more sense because after a storm, the ocean spits up a lot of debris and sea life. Her remains would appear eventually.
I have felt sad about this- almost everyone has drunken misadventures sooner or later in life but they don't end like this. I am praying for her family.
Yes, the Carribean is full of friendly peoples. It would surprise you how different all the cultures are, yet many are very hospitable and kind. This is a tragedy for everyone.

Rhiannon
06-11-2005, 04:29 PM
They're not confirming her death yet. They're saying that speculation going around is premature. Her family is still holding onto hope. The suspect they have in custody right now has only said that "something bad happened." Could mean she's dead, or could mean something else. We'll see.


Holloway's family continues to believe she is alive, said Jar Twitty, the teen's step-uncle. Rumors that she is dead are ``an aggressive interpretation'' of what police are saying, he told The Associated Press.

SthnrnGrl77
06-11-2005, 07:56 PM
they might be in denial :-(

Rhiannon
06-11-2005, 07:59 PM
True. I can totally understand that too.

But, they're waiting on more information or (hopefully) a confession and retrieval of her body before they announce that she was indeed killed.

SthnrnGrl77
06-12-2005, 10:49 PM
well i have been worthless and lazy today watching TV and sounds to me like it is this judge's son vander sloot or whatever , seems like a real brat-- I dont even think the 2 security guards had anything to do with it. I hope they do not become scapegoats.

Katrine
06-13-2005, 03:45 AM
Tsk, tsk....

United States...land of shitty sensationalist media and xenophobic rednecks. :(

LoveSexMoney
06-13-2005, 05:50 AM
well now, this is interesting...



Holloway not only missing U.S. woman in Caribbean
Dan Abrams talks with family of Amy Bradley, missing since '98

MSNBC
Updated: 2:18 p.m. ET June 9, 2005


Natalee Holloway isn't the first young American woman to disappear in the Caribbean. Seven years ago, then-23-year-old Amy Bradley went missing while on a Caribbean cruise with her family. On March 24, 1998, Bradley was seen by her father at about 5:30 a.m. on her cabin balcony. At 6 a.m., her father awoke and Amy Bradley was gone.

Two women on the cruise reported seeing the woman riding the elevator to the top deck just before it docked at the island of Curacao. At 6 a.m., Amy Bradley was with a musician from the ship's band, they said. A Curacao cab driver told Bradley's father that Amy approached his cab the morning she went missing and said she urgently needed a phone. In addition, two strangers say they saw Amy on Curacao, one in August in 1998, the other in January of 1999.

Click for a related story







Bradley remains missing. There's a $260,000 reward for any information leading to her whereabouts. On Tuesday, Dan Abrams talked to her parents, Iva and Ron Bradley, about the search for their daughter.

To read an excerpt of their conversation, continue to the text below.

Iva Bradley, mother of missing girl: We have fought for seven years to get the attention that Amy needs to be found. When we discovered Amy missing, we begged the ship's personnel to not put the gangway down, to not allow anybody to leave the ship. And we told them that, if Amy had left the room for any more than 15 minutes, she would have left us a note.

And they put the gangway down anyway. People left the ship in Curacao. And please keep in mind that Curacao is part of the Netherlands Antilles. It's the next island over from Aruba.

We spent the entire day in Aruba, the day before. We rented a Jeep. We went out all day long. One side of the island is for tourists, obviously. The other side of the island is destitute, as far as desert, and tumbleweeds, goats, dogs.

We get back on the boat. We're there that afternoon. That evening, one of the waiters came up to us as we were in the atrium. He specifically asked for Amy by name. I asked him why he wanted Amy. He said because we want to take her to a bar.

And I said, "She's with her brother in the casino." So when they came out, we told her about the waiter wanting to take her off of the ship. And she screwed her mouth up and said, "No way, that's too creepy." We suggested being in a foreign country that they not leave the ship. We came to find out that the same bar that they wanted to take Amy to was the same bar as Natalee Holloway was in.

Dan Abrams: And that struck me, Mr. Bradley, when I heard about that. I mean, when you heard about this story, obviously, the location, you know, must have made you sort of particularly attuned to this story. But then when you heard the name of the bar, you know...

Ron Bradley, father of the missing girl: Well, that's true. And we've maintained from the beginning that someone saw Amy and took Amy from that ship in some way, that several ways by boat, through cargo, the cargo doors that open and close.

And then, when I just recently heard you say about the possible kidnapping, it just brings everything home as to what we expected the whole time. And I certainly hope that that's not the case. And I certainly hope that Natalee will be found.

Abrams: What do you make, Ms. Bradley, of the reported sightings of her? How reliable do you think that they have been?

Iva Bradley: Well, I believe the reported sightings are from people that have come forward that have seen Amy. The two Canadians that saw Amy on the beach in 1998, they described her tattoos, her demeanor, and did not know she was missing.

The Naval person who went to a brothel on Curacao said that Amy asked him for help, told him her name. She said, "My name is Amy Bradley. Please help me." He didn't know anybody was missing. He told her there was a naval ship five minutes down the dock that she could leave.

And she said, "No, you don't understand. Please help me. My name is Amy Bradley." At that time, two men in the bar removed her, told her to move and go upstairs.

He did not report anything. He had been on the ship. And being a petty officer, there were certain unauthorized areas that he could not go into, and that's where he was. When he saw Amy on the front cover of a major magazine, he had since retired and he contacted us.

And he said, "I have seen your daughter. I have seen her. I have talked to her. And she was in trouble." And he said, "I apologize for not doing anything about that."

There's one thing I want to make clear here to parents and to people that are traveling. Venezuela, on a good day from Curacao or Aruba, is in sight. We have been told by locals and been told by investigators, there are boats incoming. They come and go freely.

We also know there's a tremendous amount of drug trade. That's not a secret from Venezuela through those islands, up through the United States, or wherever they're going with the drugs.

So we're putting our families and our children in danger, and because of the situation with the United States being in a position where they say they have no jurisdiction, it hurt us terribly, and it hurt Amy. And we've not gotten the help that we need.

Abrams: Well, I'm hoping that -- you know, it's hard to say this, but that this other story, which is a horrible, horrible tragedy that, you know, hopefully that both can somehow end in a positive way and that one may be able to help the other.

Iva Bradley: I certainly hope so.

If you have any information in the case of missing American Amy Bradley, please call (804) 276 8503.


© 2005 MSNBC Interactive

Madcap
06-13-2005, 07:36 AM
Soooooooooooooooo, i take it no trips to Aruba are planned within the near future...

SthnrnGrl77
06-13-2005, 12:12 PM
This is horrible but I wonder if airfare and hotel prices will decline.

LoveSexMoney
06-17-2005, 01:23 PM
ok so...they've released the 2 former security guards but are still detaining the 3 youth. Now there's been a 4th man detained. The mother predicts there will be more.

Does anybody else find it disturbing that they can detain somebody for up to 4 months without arresting them? I find it particularly disturbing that the govt. is petitioning to prevent van der Sloot's lawyer from seeing him. I mean, isn't that kind of wrong? Or am I just a little spoiled American?

madmaxine
06-17-2005, 03:40 PM
LoveSexMoney- thank you for posting the Amy Bradley story.

Yep, the Carribean can be a dangerous place for pretty young white girls. Don't let your girls grow up to be naive!

Deogol
06-17-2005, 03:51 PM
ok so...they've released the 2 former security guards but are still detaining the 3 youth. Now there's been a 4th man detained. The mother predicts there will be more.

Does anybody else find it disturbing that they can detain somebody for up to 4 months without arresting them? I find it particularly disturbing that the govt. is petitioning to prevent van der Sloot's lawyer from seeing him. I mean, isn't that kind of wrong? Or am I just a little spoiled American?

America ain't so bad is it?

LoveSexMoney
06-17-2005, 05:01 PM
^ hmmm...not sure if I detect sarcasm there or what lol

madmaxine I'd never heard of Amy Bradley before this...I do hope they find Natalee and Amy if only to put some closure to this for their family and friends.

I'm just really bothered by the way there are handling this...It really bugs that they are holding people without charging them with a crime and not allowing them to see their lawyer. :-\ I guess I watch too much csi, huh? /:O

aHA! fucker kicked me off BUT I USED COPY THIS TIME HAHAHAHHA

madmaxine
06-17-2005, 05:26 PM
I feel bad this case puts the Carribean in a bad light (yeah it is a major drug port/ impoverished island-laden area, but I treasure the time I spent there.) IMHO Natalie and Amy made some dumb mistakes that led to disaster. But this is why their victimizers deserve to be punished. Those men were just waiting for the right victim to come along. A predator ultimately wants to get away with crimes, so he waits and waits. It doesn't matter who it is, as long as he can conceal the crime. A person like that is a threat to everyone.

LoveSexMoney
06-17-2005, 05:31 PM
hmmmm...so what are you saying Maxi? (please pardon my inebriation) What is YOUR take on this case? Do you think it's MORE than young boy and girl do the diddly and girl dies because of either A) accidental drowning (drunken cavorting in the beach) or B) accidental death due to rough sex (panty strangulation) OR ..... I have other speculations involving a possible after hours party gone wrong OR do you think she might really still be alive but in another country?

LoveSexMoney
06-17-2005, 05:32 PM
:)

god we have to enter at least 5 characters now? :)

LoveSexMoney
06-17-2005, 05:34 PM
I don't think this case puts the carribbean in a bad light. It's great Aruba has such a postive track record but one cant' expect an area to stay "perfect" all the time...kinda like smalltown, USA. "nothin' like this ain't ever happened here before" ya know what I mean?

Pamela
06-18-2005, 07:55 AM
Ithappens in our own city too, all of us. If you have never heard of this happening around you're home go way back in the newspapers and check, or give it time.

Pamela

madmaxine
06-18-2005, 03:27 PM
Naive American girls in paradise- I've heard lots of stories and even seen them myself. Girl parties with guy on beach, goes back to his place, etc, etc,.......doesn't turn out good for her. BUT she's gotta go home or she is made to feel like she asked for something bad to happen (predators are manipulative) so the guy never gets punished.
On islands, people are aware it's harder to get away with crimes because of the isolation, everyone knows you, and if the cops are called, they can shut the ports and airports. It's not like getting across the state line/ border to freedom in North America. Not as easy. So...they wait for dumb tourists looking for a good time and nail them.
Yep, people can be pretty wretched. And this happens everywhere.

LoveSexMoney
06-22-2005, 12:38 PM
Juicy blogs:

Jillian
07-01-2005, 04:43 PM
did anyone see the info that has been released today. Minutes before our 5pm newscast began it came over the wire that Aruba's attorney general said that the 3 boys have been charged with murder since they first were arrested. Now Aruba's cheif gvt spokesman said that they may or may not have been formally charged, and may be formally charged on monday.

The attorney general said they didnt' reveal this so as not to break the hopes of holloway's family who was searching for her and hoping for her safe return.

I've been following this story regularly, and this latest development makes me sad...well the whole thing does...

LoveSexMoney
07-01-2005, 05:15 PM
^yeah, I've been following it daily as well. I just hope her family finds her body. She seems to be hidden pretty well considering it's a small island.