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cinammonkisses
07-04-2005, 04:49 PM
Hey you guys, I know you are gonna flip..but I am so pressed for cash right now. There are no clubs in Cincinnati.

I contacted some places in my phone book, and found out that these are pretty much the going prices. One company in particular owns about 85% of the company listings, they are just under different business titles.

Anyway, the going rate is $75/hr. I know this isnt' alot of money, but I am sooo broke right now. I just need something. I have been talking to the "customer service" of the company quite a bit. He and I are cool (he doesn't own the joint, just answers the phones)

Anyway, he informed me once that the dancers usually go to the shows alone. If they decide to get a driver, they must pay the driver $20/hr. So I'm like WTF dude, that would mean I'm only making $55/hr and you want me to dance nude for somebody. Then he tried to make it seem like I could make sooooo much money.

I'm like dude, you know how I look. I'm pretty sure I could run my own add in a newpaper and charge more than you all do. (the company charges $175, gives the dancer $75) Then he went on and on about how it would be hard, I need zoning ordinances and stuff. and blah blah.

Like I said though, I really really do need alot of money. What would you girls suggest? Someone please help me!!

tampafldancer
07-04-2005, 04:55 PM
I would do both actually..


Once you get the experience through an agency... branch off!

55/hr is way too cheap though! Maybe after they see you in person they will reconsider the rates?

ksalerio
07-04-2005, 06:00 PM
Hey,

I only get $55/show and it costs them $150. But it all adds up. Did they say you would get multiple shows per night? Cuz on average on a sat night i have 3-4 partys. $55/party for going then make around $200-$300 per party. I pay my driver 10% of what i make and 15/show. If you have any questions IM me ;)

jerseygirl19
07-04-2005, 06:33 PM
i would definitely do it. idont get any money for the shows! i only make money off of tips. it costs my company 155 per girl per half hour and i do not see any of that money - but once we get there we do our stuff, then sell lap dances private shows toy shows etc thats where we get our money. at a good show i'll walk out with between 300-600, it really depends. then we tip out 15% to the driver and then pay a $10 dancer's fee. you got a good deal - make your money in tips!

GoldCoastGirl
07-04-2005, 08:00 PM
I work for two agencies right now - one more I will re-approach when I finally acquire a car. Anyway, yes the pay is a little less however the great thing about shows is that you go in, do the show and leave typically.

Sometimes you will gain tips .. other times you won't. This is why I am also open to lingere/bikini/topless/nude waitressing as the tips there are bigger than shows (for me).

Goodness! I made $75 in tips during 3 hours of bikini waitressing at one booking! Then another booking (topless waitressing), I convinced the guys to all "put in" and I walked around nude for around 20 minutes (posing for photos as well).... and made an extra $130!

I say do it. Once you work yourself up as a reliable dancer with the agency (I know this is how it works on the Gold Coast for me), they will offer you more bookings. You can have all the titles in the world and millions of magazine appearances.... however... if you're un-reliable... you will become very unpopular... and you won't be given as many bookings.

I agree with tampafldancers:

Once you get the experience through an agency... branch off!

I know plenty of agency dancers who do so after a year or so... yet still work for the agencies (as there will always be certain bookings that you won't even have a chance gaining unless you do work for a certain agency).

Sparkell
07-04-2005, 08:53 PM
i cant give any advice but i know i wanted to get into this...if anyone has any info plz im me...

Evil_Hippo
07-05-2005, 05:04 AM
Hey sweetie!

$75 is not good at all! your nude ... dancing and only 75 in the end... and it not safe not to get a driver so it just doesn't cut!

If your in need of money theres always ways! I asked for advice on here before...

this is my advice...

Ebanned.com : sell your panties and goodies there! if you need fast cash, choose to have a one day auction.

Make a website for yourself, if your not comfortable with your face photos you can only put body shots, and put a donation on there? chat services?


WEBCAM shows! invest in a webcam, sign up for sites, set your own rates from .99 to 4.99 per min! Also whats better than in the comfort of your own home? I have earn $160 in 2 hours by doing this, hey i did it in my own time too! do it whenever your bored!

If you want to dance, than yes make your own business. TRUST ME! it's more simple than you think! Go on CRAIGSLIST.ORG and find your city and post on there! the best place to find work for dancing! hire a good freind to take you? plus you can set your own price!!

Pm me and let me know if you need advice, or help to get started! I know how it feels!

Theres always ways to make money! always smile cutie!

lol i'm saving up for a boob jobbie!

Susan Wayward
07-05-2005, 05:43 AM
CK, there are a couple of things to consider here:

First off, I would go dance in Covington before I'd go to an agency for $75. At least go look at Rodney's, which I hear is OK, before you do that. Or hell, even Deja Vu . . .

Second, how long of a show do they guarantee? Does the agency really guarantee you'll stay for an hour for $75? Or can you show up, say, "I'm guaranteed for thirty minutes. If you want me to stay longer it wil be $XXX."?

You can also charge extra for just about anything. Talk to who's in charge of the party. Tell them you'll do your striptease and dance for the guest of honor, but that lapdances or other parts of the show cost extra. I think that at this price you are expected to upsell everything. I didn't do this, but I got a flat $300 up front for myself and just had to pay my driver.

Again, there aren't a lot of options in the area, I know, but I would check out the existing ones before going this route. I know you will be safe at Rodneys, Playpen in Wilder, and of course where I am working, so let me know if you need a hand checking them out.

Malibu
07-05-2005, 06:32 AM
I don't know the rates in CI, but here in the UK, in my club, my company would typically cost 200 pounds (~$400) per hour so what you want to charge sounds like you are ripping yourself off.

I think you should take the advice of those who know that have already posted. You should tier your prices in accordance with what kind of service you're willing to offer. E.G. If you are doing private dances, special shows (e.g. toys, watersports, food, etc, you get the pic), or just giving the guy your company (no sex escorting I imagine). Also think about if you want to throw in 'extras' e.g. photographs, underwear, etc. Think about it. But don't forget to think of your security and transport and of course find a way to market yourself appropriately and in the right areas (like, don't leave your ad in a phonebox! Try and build a good website for yourself and have a schedule and prices there etc. It's always good to use a decent web designer to make you look professional).

Using the agency as primary experience is a great idea as it helps you pick up ideas of what to do and look out for with the safety of someone watching your back first. Once you get more confident and wise to the game, use the lessons you've learned to branch off and build your own name for yourself.

cinammonkisses
07-05-2005, 10:06 AM
CK, there are a couple of things to consider here:

First off, I would go dance in Covington before I'd go to an agency for $75. At least go look at Rodney's, which I hear is OK, before you do that. Or hell, even Deja Vu . . .

Second, how long of a show do they guarantee? Does the agency really guarantee you'll stay for an hour for $75? Or can you show up, say, "I'm guaranteed for thirty minutes. If you want me to stay longer it wil be $XXX."?

You can also charge extra for just about anything. Talk to who's in charge of the party. Tell them you'll do your striptease and dance for the guest of honor, but that lapdances or other parts of the show cost extra. I think that at this price you are expected to upsell everything. I didn't do this, but I got a flat $300 up front for myself and just had to pay my driver.

Again, there aren't a lot of options in the area, I know, but I would check out the existing ones before going this route. I know you will be safe at Rodneys, Playpen in Wilder, and of course where I am working, so let me know if you need a hand checking them out.

Hmmm ok Me and you Susan! When is your next off day :P

Rican_Asian_Ma
07-05-2005, 10:32 AM
Wow Cinnamon,

That's a tough one. One thing I must say is....DO NOT GO TO ANY SHOWS WITHOUT SECURITY! Here in Chicago it is against the law for a girl to go to a show without security. Paying an extra $20/hr will be worth more than something happening to you. Guys can get really dangerous when drunk and horny.

Do you have a male friend that is comfortable with maybe being your security? You might not even have to pay him the $20/hr. When I did shows my security was my boyfriend. He was comfortable and the money I make was his money also. We shared and didn't have to worry about all that. It went straight into our bank accounts!

Also, that $75/hr really isn't a lot of money. Try to make up for it will cool games...get them to tip you really good. Sell some pictures, pussy pops, etc.

BigGreenMnM
07-05-2005, 10:52 AM
Free advice...

There are clubs in Ohio,you may just have to drive an hour or two to get there.

If you dont have a car,get on a grayhound for 20 bucks,stay at a red roof in for 36.95 a night,and work in a club that averages 300+ a night.
Just do weekends to start,then plan your move.

Holy kripes those legs and that ass are worth sooooooo much more then 75 bucks at a private party!
Fuckin gold!!!!
ya just gotta move to the money,even if its just for a weekend or two a month.

Driver John
07-05-2005, 12:31 PM
Hey girls, I'm a driver for an agency in Boston. Most girls are not paid hourly, but work only off tips on shows. Most shows the agency charges $155 per dancer, every show is sent with a Driver to a confirmed address/call back phone # (someone knows where you are if something does go wrong). Shows are No Sex/BJs. Girls offer lap dances, toy shows, shower shows, private dances where the guy can get himself off to a floor show, etc. Tip prices are tipically $20 per lap dance, $200 for toy, $100 per 10 min shower or private. Typically girls make $300-$600 per show, with the average show being 1hr, + drive time.
Driver tip-out is %15, and most drivers will make store/coffee stops or drive U home after show at no charge.

Some girls partner up to offer Duo shows (double ended toy), and get $200-$300 per girl for a 15 min/10 position show.

What has to be considered, is that a Dancer may have to wait at the office for 5-6hrs, until sent out for a show, so if you consider watching TV, sleeping, talking on phone, playing games,eating, doing makup, trying outfits, etc working. Then average out the show $ over your 8hr shift.

Hope this view from Boston helps...

Underestimated
07-05-2005, 12:55 PM
You're basically making $55 to dance around naked. In your post I didn't see, "$55 to get naked, grind on laps, let people feel me up, etc." To me, $55 starting rate isn't bad. If you go through an agency, they CAN tip on their credit card. Go in, dance around, then charge extra for lap dances and such, $20 per dance just like at the club. Even if they don't want anything extra, you're still making more than you would elsewhere per hour.
I did privates for about a year. I only had one party that didn't tip. That was the only show I walked out with less than $400. I still made $75 for the hour of my time. It's good, easy money if done right.

cinammonkisses
07-05-2005, 02:05 PM
Wow Cinnamon,

That's a tough one. One thing I must say is....DO NOT GO TO ANY SHOWS WITHOUT SECURITY! Here in Chicago it is against the law for a girl to go to a show without security. Paying an extra $20/hr will be worth more than something happening to you. Guys can get really dangerous when drunk and horny.

Do you have a male friend that is comfortable with maybe being your security? You might not even have to pay him the $20/hr. When I did shows my security was my boyfriend. He was comfortable and the money I make was his money also. We shared and didn't have to worry about all that. It went straight into our bank accounts!

Also, that $75/hr really isn't a lot of money. Try to make up for it will cool games...get them to tip you really good. Sell some pictures, pussy pops, etc.

Hey girly, I'm glad to you see you back on here posting. Hit me up on yahoo tonight!

Anywho..actually, since there are no clubs in cincinnati, alot of the clients that they get are out of town business guys. Most of the time, it is just one guy there. At times when there is a "party" then having security is MANDATORY. Trust me, I had never not considered having someone there with me. When I talked to my customer service buddy, he informed me that all the girls do is dance, there is no funny business afterwards. So it is not some kind of underground escort service.

Yes, it's only $75/hr just walking in the door. But shit, for that price I will not GET NUDE. Nope, sorry that just aint me. I'm going to need some tips or something. I just planned on dancing in sexy stuff, down to a g-string/thong and then like 30min left into the show ask if they want a lapdance. That is when I will start charging. It's $20 in most clubs..but I figure if I charge them $15, they'll give me the change anyway (except the rare cheap bastard lol)

KendraKerrington
07-05-2005, 10:07 PM
Is his name Kevin?

cinammonkisses
07-06-2005, 07:35 AM
Is his name Kevin?

Whoa...Um hmmm yes it is.

Kendra, do you mind PM me on this matter? Whether good/bad I would still like a heads up.

cinammonkisses
07-07-2005, 02:15 AM
TY for the PM...very insightful

TheDatsunKid
07-11-2005, 06:28 PM
KendraKerrington informed me that I was being talked about on this website so here I am :-D not that anything bad was being said...just that you all should get both sides.

I figured that the agency as well as the dancer in question here should be able to voice their opinion on this particular post. The Agency in question here is the one I work for. The "Customer Service" person being referred to happens to be myself Kevin :-D

Now that I've introduced myself I'll add my two cents worth.

First Penny: Various parts of the country charge various prices, however with those various prices come other such things that may be out of most girls "comfort zone". For example in Florida Agencies charge more per show, and the girls may get paid more per show, however parts of Florida are also "full contact" where in Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana where we operate we are not. $75.00 per hour may not seem like alot if that's ALL you were going to make. If all that a girl was ever going to make was $75.00 per hour I probably wouldn't recommend it to anyone either and I work there. We deal in both parties and private shows and as many of you have said dancing at a party is good money when tips are considered. We DO NOT take any of the girls tip money like a few other companies in the area do. As for the private shows these have the potential to be multiple hour shows and people you may see on a regular if not semi-regular basis. We have one customer in particular whose name shall not be mentioned but he is recently divorced and just really wants the companionship of someone who likes him, does the girl that has seen him for 4-8 hours a night every night for the last 6 weeks like him? No, but she also knows that she's making 300-600 dollars a night not including a minimum of a 200-400 dollar tip...that's 500-1,000 dollars a night every night seven days a week. This is not a common customer, but they are out there. The girl that goes out there is glad to go because he doesn't even make her get undressed she stays fully clothed the entire time. We've had other customers in the 6 years that I've been working for the Agency that have had 10, 12, 24 hour shows it just depends on how well the customer and girl get along. I don't need to tell you girls that there is good money in this business, you already know that or most of you wouldn't be putting up with half of the guys that you do. There is a huge market in our area for African American/Asian girls and very few of them actually working it would be a great financial opportunity for someone of Cinnamonkisses beauty and intelligence to consider outcall versus a club in this general area. Ultimately though it is her choice and no one can force her to do anything she doesn't want to.

Penny Two: Cinnamonkisses had also suggested running her own ads out of the local newspapers and keeping the entire $175.00 for the show...in theory not a bad idea. However advertising for the actual phone books is quite pricey yes our Agency has 85% of the market share but we also put over $160,000.00 worth of advertising into just one of the numerous phone books distributed in the area. We have an 85% market share because we've been running a legitimate business for over 12 years. Unlike many outcall agencies I will not personally send any girl to any show I wouldn't feel comfortable going to myself regardless of how much money is at stake. No amount of money is worth an entertainers safety. As for the drivers $20.00 per show for your personal safety is a small price to pay when considering the alternative..especially when you consider that a number of girls have said that out of a $155.00 show they see NOT A PENNY of that money and work strictly for tips that in my eyes is ludicrous but in certain parts of the country that's how things are run and you can't do much to change that. I would be interested to find out which parts of the country those places are though that could be a good business move to transplant into those areas and actually pay you girls for getting naked on top of your tips...feel free to get back to me. The reason advertising in the smaller papers in the area is a bad idea is that Cincinnati is the conservative capitol of the nation the local police are constantly setting up stings and busting the "boot leg" companies set up in those publications, not a risk that I'd be willing to take especially considering that at the time I was talking to Cinnamonkisses she was not licensed in any of the states she was looking into, let alone the individual cities that have their own ordinances. The reason I discouraged her from doing her own thing is not that I wanted her to work for us but for her own safety. Is it worth $175.00 to have a "prostitution" charge tarnishing your police record? That's what the girls that get "busted" out of those publications almost always get charged with among other things.

Sorry for rambling I just thought that I should put my two cents in and thank all of you who took the time to read this post, and Cinnamonkisses you've got my cellphone number feel free to call me if you have any comments about this post good, bad, or otherwise and best of luck to you in whatever you decide to do be it a club, outcall, incall or something completely unrelated.

Kevin

cinammonkisses
07-17-2005, 02:10 PM
Cinnamonkisses you've got my cellphone number feel free to call me if you have any comments about this post good, bad, or otherwise and best of luck to you in whatever you decide to do be it a club, outcall, incall or something completely unrelated.

Kevin

Thank you for the imput Customer Service hahahaha. Now about that cell phone...::)

cinammonkisses
08-20-2005, 11:07 AM
***Update***

Just wanted to let everyone know that I finally went ahead and did it!! I made $350 last night, and only did 3 shows!!!!

Ohhhh what a rush! It was to easy. My first guy of the night, was a total ass, but the next 2 were EASY as pie!

I'll let you guys know how I progress.

TigersMilk
08-20-2005, 11:12 AM
I know nothing about the whole private dance thing...but Im glad youre happy and you did well!! Keep on goin!!

Crissychan
08-20-2005, 11:52 AM
Sorry I too know nothing about private shows, what do you do? Just dance around in a g-string?

cinammonkisses
08-21-2005, 12:01 PM
Sorry I too know nothing about private shows, what do you do? Just dance around in a g-string?

Yes, for the most part. When I arrive, I sit down, meet and talk with the guy. (So far I've had 1 party, the rest were private dances) This can usually last a while...just talking. Then, I cut the music on, and start to dance. The dance price is 1 nude dance $175/hr. So that is what I do. If they would like for me to continue dancing (which I do) they tip me money.

Last night, I did a couples show. That was pretty cool. There were 2 couples there, and 1 single guy. Anyway, While I danced for the girl, my dancer (it was a 2 girl show) danced for the guy on the floor. Since I'm still in "training" I watched her, while I dance as well.

I haven't, nor will I done any toy shows. My mentor has really taught me alot. She's the only other classy girl there. She used to dance in strip clubs, but started working where I work at. Man...me an her together are a LETHAL combination, let me tell ya. She is really teaching me ALOT!

Majority of the other girls who work there dont talk to me. The ones who do talk, only talk that 1 time..then after that they just ignore me. And ya'll know I dont mind that one bit ;D All in all, it's pretty easy money. I just have to get used to dancing alone. I've only did one show were I went alone, without my mentor.

london
08-21-2005, 12:13 PM
Congrats, Cinnamon!
I'm so happy you were able to make it work for you! That's awesome...