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Shady156
07-22-2005, 05:18 AM
That's another thread.

Bunny
07-22-2005, 09:47 AM
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Mr Hyde
07-22-2005, 09:51 AM
Crazy chicks are usually good in bed....wonder if she's out on bond....

Pamela
07-22-2005, 09:58 AM
Crazy chicks are usually good in bed....wonder if she's out on bond....

Sorry hun, you're not young enough! :O

Pamela

Rhiannon
07-22-2005, 10:13 AM
^LMFAO Pamela! Very true.

Deogol
07-22-2005, 10:49 AM
I can substitute another word for that - 'BS'.


Getting with the teacher certainly has been the highlight of this kid's life, up until he got turned in. Certainly the kid was not mature (bragging, etc.), but that's not what turned this teacher on. Unless she is a bad influnence on him (perversions, drugs, crime, etc) what they did together under mutual influence.

Perhaps some people believe that all laws passed and enforced are valid, regardless of the nature of people and circumstances. Many laws place arbitrary limits because of political expediency. Then it becomes up to the courts and lawyers to argue things back into sanity, though that is a very risky venture indeed. Here is an example, perhaps a little extreme, but a matter of law.

Age of consent is 18 years and one minute. A gal friend of 17 years and 8 months has mutually consentual sex (say with protection) with her boyfriend of 2-3 years; he is aged 18 years and 4 months and it is their first time after months of frustration. Her mom detects the act and wants her daughter to stay a virgin just like her priest tells her that her daughter ought to be. So she is incredibly angry and unforgiving and turns in the kid. THe DA is another ultra-strict type in a very strict state, so the case goes to court and the male kid is sentenced to 20 years in prison under adult rape rules.

Sad, isnt it?

OK what if there is 2 years diffrence in their ages? 5 years? etc. What if they live 3 miles apart, but are in different states? Or different counties with different local laws and DA attitudes? You see where this is going. Is a difference in years significant in the overall scheme of things? And if you believe so, what is a proper formula for distinguishing a crime from a non-crime? What about the maturity or attitude of the parties? Is there likely to be negative consequences of the act (beyond what the law would arbitrarily place on it)?

I don't want to talk anyone out of their valid attitude other than when their attitude thinks the law is right and fair ALL the time because it is the LAW and no one is smart enough or has honest circumstances which could except the law from being universally applied. Now that would be stupid.

Let me simplify it for ya. An adult having sex with a kid is wrong.

tampadancer
07-22-2005, 11:50 AM
i don't think that anyone is disagreeing that an adult sleeping with a child is wrong; however, does the punishment - in this situation - fit the crime?

Casual Observer
07-22-2005, 12:26 PM
I think what he is saying is that because there is a perceived difference in the sexual/power relations between teenage boys and adult women and teenage girls and adult men, that there in fact is a difference. That because teenaged boys are socialized to have different relationships with their sexuality and different ideas about sex that the crime is different in nature.

Jenny is perfectly eloquent and perfectly correct here, despite her disagreement with the position. Who among the males on this site would have complained if a 24-year old teacher seduced them in school? Not a one of us, I would venture to say. Hell, I still remember my eighth grade biology teacher...long, dark, soft curls of hair coupled with a sublime rack and an ass you could bounce quarters off of. And she was our sex-education teacher too. Talk about torture.


Crazy chicks are usually good in bed....wonder if she's out on bond....

No, crazy chicks aren't usually good in bed--they're usually unbelievably awesome in bed. Whacked-out bitches are undeniably the filthiest, nastiest, most sexually expressive and expansive partners you can find. But that's the problem isn't it? You have to deal with her whacked-out neurosis all the time, not just when she's introducing you to sexual nirvana. So you immediately get hooked on her junk like it was chocolate-covered, crack-laced barbecue potato chips. Yes, I sadly speak from experience...well, not too sadly, I guess. :)

Where are the normal, intelligent, emotionally-grounded cock-loving sluts? Doesn't anyone make them that way?

Yes, crazy chicks are amazing in bed. Would that it were otherwise... :sigh :

Shady156
07-22-2005, 12:42 PM
A couple of years ago, I was one of those whacked out bitches. And I got led down the "garden" path by opportunistic gentlemen, but that was my fault, and is essentially not the topic here.
Basically, it appears to me that there is concern that justice may have been too harsh in handing the setence it did. Well, perhaps, it did, but the judicial system has spoken.
As far as I am concerned, the teacher in question, if she is dissatisfied with the verdict, can appeal, if appeal is possible. But up to now, the law has spoken, and there is no recourse.
Not at least for the moment anyway.

Pamela
07-22-2005, 12:57 PM
I am crazy in bed...Total fuckin nut job and LOVE it. But damn i am not going to sleep with anyone under 18. I have a guy who just bought the house i lived in, he is 23, yep 23 and driven in more ways than one, asked me out, i invited him over, we talked and he wants to fuck.

SO...i said he needs to go home and get some sleep....I will wack out on my ex anytime in bed...it's natural..I am a freak with him. Buit not Jose. He's cool and all but too young for my taste. Bet he could have fucked for HOURS and HOURS.

That fine line is there for most i think. This stupid girl fucked up. Under 18....SEE YA. you're only going to be someones BITCH in jail anyway. Why not, she slept with a KID. That fucks them up. Too pretty....SHIT, too scared and looking for sympathy.....Sh'e not too pretty....I see better on the streets::)

I'll take a man any day....Forget the kids. Not only because it's ILLEGAL, it's fucking stupid.

She needs help. I hope she goes to jail and gets what she deserves....Why not we all wish men get what they deserve when they sleep with underage girls...

Pamela

Madcap
07-22-2005, 01:23 PM
Pam, i seriously doubt this even phased that kid. Though the aftermath might have done some damage. When i was 18 i had a gf 10 years older, there's not that much diff from 14 to 18.

I'm not saying i don't think she deserves something for being this stupid, but waving 30 years in front of her is retarded. I've never heard of a 23 year old guy getting 30 years thrown at him for consentual statutory. I just don't buy that he's all that much of a victim. How many victims get their victimizers caught because someone overheard them bragging about being victimized?

Frankly, i think taking this fiasco THIS seriously cheapens things for when it really IS serious.

Casual Observer
07-22-2005, 01:53 PM
I am crazy in bed...Total fuckin nut job and LOVE it.

We've never met, Pamela, but I've never doubted that was true.

;)


Frankly, i think taking this fiasco THIS seriously cheapens things for when it really IS serious.

Agreed.

30 years is friggin' absurd.

polecat
07-22-2005, 02:13 PM
This woman has "damaged goods" written all over her... ugh.

I'm not seeing the distinction being led here with gender as things have changed a great deal in the last 10-20 years. Many 14 year-old girls are going to school in mini-skirts and dressed like streetwalkers with "Pornstar" stickers all over their books and binders. Many of the guys are all into the hip-hop/rap "bling! bling!" crap and want to be 'pimps'... sexual dysfunctionality is running rampant in high-schools. A 14-year old girl would be bragging to her girlfriends about getting freaky with the good looking biology teacher the same as this guy was doing. It doesn't make any difference as in both cases, something was permanently stolen from them.

The ages of 12-16 are the times when most people start to truly experiment sexually. People can experiment earlier, but it's usually driven by curiosity rather than hormonally. This is usually done awkwardly with others that are as inexperienced as we are. Those jumping into the adult realm with damaged-goods adults are broken in profound ways... ways that can carry on throughout their lives. This messed up woman stole something from this guy that cannot be replaced. She was also sleeping around on her husband/cheating. She put some MESSED UP notions into his head and validated the behaviors psychologically from an adult/mentor perspective. It's very difficult to reverse this. It's the same regardless of gender. Her, as well as any pedophile, should be locked up and throw away the key.

The only good thing I can say about her is she seems to have identified her illness from her defense. Perhaps aside from jailtime, she can commit herself and eventually fix what's broken inside.

I also have to get a chuckle at the denigration of this thread concerning 'crazy chics' and sexual prowess. It shows me how many guys are into the proverbial 'blow-up doll' in the bedroom. There is a distinct difference between someone without boundries and someone without inhibitions. "Crazy chics" have no boundries and this dysfunctionality mirrors in the bedroom. Putting up a fight and being 'wild' from a boundry-less standpoint is illusional for sexual prowess and in the end, is empty, unsatisfying and damaging. On the reverse side (and sounds like Pamela's distinction hehe)- a woman without inhibitions is where it's at. Most 'stable' women I've known over 30+ have this hidden gem and truly make for the real-deal. Sexual release isn't a broken form of control or outlet to qualm underlying damage, but a function of LIFE to be partaken with all the gusto it can offer. But by all means, enjoy your blow-up doll, damaged goods women... sure they can take a pounding, but there's nothing inside there... you're only making them worse as well as yourself. Alone and in the hour of the wolf, it'll all make sense someday.

Deogol
07-22-2005, 02:20 PM
Pam, i seriously doubt this even phased that kid. Though the aftermath might have done some damage. When i was 18 i had a gf 10 years older, there's not that much diff from 14 to 18.

I'm not saying i don't think she deserves something for being this stupid, but waving 30 years in front of her is retarded. I've never heard of a 23 year old guy getting 30 years thrown at him for consentual statutory. I just don't buy that he's all that much of a victim. How many victims get their victimizers caught because someone overheard them bragging about being victimized?

Frankly, i think taking this fiasco THIS seriously cheapens things for when it really IS serious.

Not that much difference between a 14 year old and a ten year old... or is there?

We are not talking about some 80 year old guy going with a 60 year old woman. We are talking about someone who barely knows who he is, where he fits in society, and what he wants to do with his life. So lets toss this woman who is a sociopath cheater providing alcohol (a drug) to this kid who she is basically using as a living toy/action figure and say "Ah hey, the experience is good for him."

I certainly got my fantasies about a school teacher when I was in junior high - but I bet the reality would have been a lot different if she did what this teacher did.


I'm sorry man, I gotta disagree with ya on this one.

Madcap
07-22-2005, 02:30 PM
Not that much difference between a 14 year old and a ten year old... or is there?

Sure. At 10 girls are icky and at 14 guys start chasing after them. BIG difference.


We are talking about someone who barely knows who he is, where he fits in society, and what he wants to do with his life.

How is this different from anyone his own age? Not that it's in her favor, but that part is irrelevant. ANY girl he met in school is likely ignorant of all of the above. I don't know many Teenage girls that pine over any of that.


So lets toss this woman who is a sociopath cheater providing alcohol (a drug) to this kid who she is basically using as a living toy/action figure and say "Ah hey, the experience is good for him."

Never said it was good for him. What i said was "I don't think it's as bad as people are jumping around about" (paraphrasing). 14 year old boys are walking erections, anyway. This kid's probably had to change his sheets about fifty thousand times since this happened.


I certainly got my fantasies about a school teacher when I was in junior high - but I bet the reality would have been a lot different if she did what this teacher did.

Hey, i'd have gotten behind it. I remember how i was at that age. I'd have been like "Who, what, where, when, why, how, and what broken glass do i have to crawl through..."

Bunny
07-22-2005, 03:44 PM
I think there's a pretty big difference between 14 year olds and 10 year olds, at least some of them. When I was 10 I was a kid who did what she was told. When I was 14 I was a teenager who hung out in bars and drank and smoked weed and dated a 19 year old guy. BIG difference. and no it wasn't peer pressure, I wanted to do every last bit of it.

Pamela
07-22-2005, 03:52 PM
Ahh cmon here guys give me a break....plz.

Does it really matter if the kid is 18 or 12....I don't think so. Not much difference going on inside a guys head so i hear, they still rub one off in bed or to mags. and all but, SHE was a person kids are supposed to learn from. WHOA! AND look up to! Fuckin WHOA!

A Pedophile is a Pedophile, and she will have this criminal charge following her for the rest of her life.

Ya know some say that a 9 year old girl or boy may find some pleasure too during a nice soft sex act with a person they trust...makes sense.

But it's the after math that fucks these kids up. He may very well turn around and molest a child due to this crap. I hope he gets very good therapy. I hope she gets a very stiff penalty!!!

Pamela

Mr Hyde
07-22-2005, 04:02 PM
Cmon Pam....what she did was wrong, but pedophile? She is whacked in the head and her sleeping with a 14 year old guy is wrong, but it's a far cry from a 24 year old guy trying to get into the pants of a 9 year old boy. Not all similiar crimes are exactly equal or similiar. Stealing a loaf of bread is not the same as robbing a bank.

She should be given a long probation, have her teaching license yanked, and let it go. She is not a danger to society, she's a goofy broad who should have known better than to boink her student.

BigGreenMnM
07-22-2005, 04:28 PM
Is there a "pedophile"line??
An age cut off?
Whats the law??
I really dont know??

If a 26 year old guy has sex with a 9 year old or a 14 year old girl,isnt that what????
Whats the law??
Is it pedophile??
Child molestation?
Stat rape?

Its probably going to be different from state to state right??

Whats the deffinition in the state this happened??

Madcap
07-22-2005, 04:34 PM
Main Entry: pe·do·phil·ia
Pronunciation: "pE-d&-'fi-lE-&
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin
: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object
- pe·do·phil·i·ac /-'fi-lE-"ak/ or pe·do·phil·ic /-'fi-lik/ adjective



Let's call a duck a duck, here. Slinging around the word pedophile, in this case, is kinda off the deep end. If this chick is sitting up nights, polishing the dime to thoughts of the local cub scout troup, then she's a pedophile. Pedophiles are very disturbed, but specific, individuals, and nothing in this case leads me to believe that this chick has a preference towards children. I suppose to really know i'd have to know more about her. But that's an awful strong word to be tossin' around, here.

If this chick's a pedophile then half the men on the planet are pedophiles who just haven't acted on it (Yeah, yeah, the inevitable comment cometh). I see a hell of a lotta guys checking out 14, 15, 16 year old girls at the mall.

Madcap
07-22-2005, 04:35 PM
If a 26 year old guy has sex with (edited by me) a 14 year old girl,isnt that what????
Whats the law??
Is it pedophile??
Child molestation?
Stat rape?

Stat. The other, more nasty one is different.

threlayer
07-22-2005, 04:52 PM
Sexually, some (not all) "children" at 14 are not really innocents. (I sure was and it could have traumatized me.) More recently kids at 14 are having kids, shacking up, getting into big legal troubles, getting strung out etc. But not all of them.

Next two opinions are based on what I know about this case, not necessarily reality. I think that if this kid seduced the teacher, who was stupid and impulsive for not seeing the consequences to her future and her marriage, then it proves that the kid was not innocent. I think the kid needs some sort of treatment to head off the sexual objectification and lack of regard for fidelity in marriage that many in society are concerned about.

I think the woman needs to be cited with some sort of "mistreading a child" charge. I also think she needs serious counseling that should be court mandated, as well as probation, for several years. Depending on her preceived degree of repentence, she possibly could serve some minor jail (not prison) time, just to get her "attention." However, if the social climate were, say, Utah or South Carolina bible-belt, then I'm sure the electorate would demand and get a much stiffer sentence. Not meaning a play on those words.

threlayer
07-22-2005, 05:10 PM
Let me simplify it for ya. An adult having sex with a kid is wrong.

This is not your average pedophile situation; we already know many of those, far, far too many. The entire scenario is the crucial presumption that someone was damaged.

I don't believe I need it simplified. I believe I understand it well beyond this particular case. Look beyond the numbers presented at the bigger picture. The laws are different in every state, and to an extent in every county and community.

Also I understand generally how laws are made and influenced by the squeeky wheels in the electorate and so at times need to be changed.

In this case I believe several things are wrong, and the courts can heal the situation. However, I fail to see the extreme damage that a 30 years sentence would imply. If that were deemed to heal the real damage, then the cure is far worse than the disease. Let the punishment fit the crime, in a simplified exhortation.

Pamela
07-22-2005, 05:34 PM
OK don't give her 30, how about 15 in jail, and 10 probation, 4 house arrest, and a sign in her yard? She had sexual relations with a MINOR!!!

This is just wrong. I would like to whip her ass. Just think if it was you're kid, and he ends up fucking a kid while he's an adult (over 18 )8) because a person who we as society look up too fucked him up.

Pamela

threlayer
07-22-2005, 05:45 PM
I would like to whip her ass. Just think if it was you're kid, and he ends up fucking a kid while he's an adult (over 18 ) because a person [teacher] who we as society look up to fucked him up.

And that is precisely why I believe the kid needs serious counseling Right Away. "I think the kid needs some sort of treatment to head off the sexual objectification and lack of regard for fidelity in marriage."

She is already screwed up but she perhaps can be saved if she sees her errors, and does not just become defensive about them and exude life-long hatred toward society that easily could lead toward criminal behavior. I've seen gals just as messed up, not pedophiles, but gals who mess up their own lives and those of others foolish enough to get 'close' due to hatred directed inward and outward.

Mr Hyde
07-22-2005, 06:19 PM
All I'm saying is that 30 years for a Mrs Robinson dealio is whacked. We give lighter sentences to murderers, thieves, and rapists. This chick had sex with a student of hers who was willing and bragged to his friends. He wasn't an 8 year old boy led into the bathroom by Uncle John and molested. If I was his parent, I'd be a little upset but I wouldn't be demanding her head.

Now if it was my daughter and a male teacher, yeah, I'd be livid and frothing. Is that a double standard? Yes, but that's the way it is.

Deogol
07-22-2005, 06:32 PM
All I'm saying is that 30 years for a Mrs Robinson dealio is whacked. We give lighter sentences to murderers, thieves, and rapists. This chick had sex with a student of hers who was willing and bragged to his friends. He wasn't an 8 year old boy led into the bathroom by Uncle John and molested. If I was his parent, I'd be a little upset but I wouldn't be demanding her head.

Now if it was my daughter and a male teacher, yeah, I'd be livid and frothing. Is that a double standard? Yes, but that's the way it is.

Hmmm. Mrs. Robinson went after a college graduate. Not a ninth/tenth grader. It is inaccurate to portray this situation with that analogy.

threlayer
07-23-2005, 03:58 AM
The double standard likely applies because of the greater vulnerability of females to manipulation by males - such as being overpowered, getting pregnant, feeling of guilt, and perhaps a sense of protection that most of us males have been counseled with my our mothers, bless 'em. Not that this is a bad thing. But does the law, the way it reads, promote the double standard?

erotictonic
07-23-2005, 08:49 AM
She obviously "preferred" the kid over her husband, so I say PEDOPHILE!!!! She is one sick bitch. I mean, face it, he's a CHILD. I had fantasies about my math teacher at 13, that doesn't mean it wouldn't scar a CHILD if you would've acted on them.

tampafldancer
07-23-2005, 11:47 AM
This whole thing is so sad :( She lives in my area, and they made a beautiful couple.

I really dont know what to say. I dont think she deserves anywhere close to 30 years in jail. But if the gender roles were reversed, im not sure i would feel the same way.

She does deserve SOME jail time and her teaching priviledges revoked. Also a sexual preditor status.

It's pretty clear that she is a beautiful girl, but she definitely has some MAJOR issues going on.
I think the insanity plea is BS personally. Its an excuse for poor poor judgement.

Deogol
07-23-2005, 11:52 AM
The double standard likely applies because of the greater vulnerability of females to manipulation by males - such as being overpowered, getting pregnant, feeling of guilt, and perhaps a sense of protection that most of us males have been counseled with my our mothers, bless 'em. Not that this is a bad thing. But does the law, the way it reads, promote the double standard?

With the jails filled with mother's sons from violence and criminality - perhaps we should be thinking about protecting our boys too.

"Get on out there and fuck them girls you little rascal! Whoa whoa whoa - what the fuck are you doing?"

A gal I know took a men's study class and it was an eye opener for her.

Cristalla
07-23-2005, 12:01 PM
...she didnt obviously have Jacko s money and lawyers to save her ass .......... ;@

Vyanka
07-23-2005, 02:06 PM
She should be locked up as long as it were to be, if the gender roles were to be reversed. The pretty whore deserves to be in jail.

Madcap
07-23-2005, 02:21 PM
I've never heard of any 23 year old guys getting 30 years for stat rape.

seraya
07-23-2005, 09:28 PM
Boy she sure as hell wont be looking so pretty after them crazy butch jail bitches have had their way with her... they will eat her alive in there!

Seraya.

showgirlschloe
07-23-2005, 11:43 PM
I don't think she deserves 30 years. Just like it's been stated, there are murderers and brutally violent people that have gotten less time.