View Full Version : Why do most hot women have such an overbloated sense of worth?
Chevalier
07-25-2005, 01:04 PM
"Why do beautiful women exploit their natural talent to it's maximum potential?"
Because they're smart. I think beautiful women get the "dumb" label from, a) insecure guys who get continuously rejected by them, and b) women who envy them.
Why did the ex-Morgan Stanley CEO Purcell slack off and play golf so much at Augusta that people got pissed off? Simple: He could do it and still get paid $15 mill year. Smart guy.
Chevalier
07-25-2005, 01:22 PM
Talking about stereotypes...what about the stereotype that every "beautiful" guy like a Pitt, DeCaprio, etc... just has to be gay, so they get hit on continuously and aggressively by guys! Infuriating garbage...overly broad stereotypes are for fools.
Deogol
07-25-2005, 03:10 PM
Talking about stereotypes...what about the stereotype that every "beautiful" guy like a Pitt, DeCaprio, etc... just has to be gay, so they get hit on continuously and aggressively by guys! Infuriating garbage...overly broad stereotypes are for fools.
Yea... but... they are gay! :D}:D:D}:D
BigGreenMnM
07-25-2005, 03:19 PM
Yea... but... they are gay! :D}:D:D}:D
lol i was gonna say,NOT a good example!!!!!!!
Do overs !!!
Do Overs!!!!!
JustinKredible
07-25-2005, 03:56 PM
by the way in response to other replys, everyone stereotypes humans can not survive without doing it, too much information to process, we have to group things and people into groups in order to process it, imagine for example every time you came across a different type of chair and you did not group them you would have no idea what it was and what to do with it, so although stereotypes can be inaccurate at times, most of the time they are helpful, you can not tell people to stop stereotyping but you can tell them to try and take everything on a case by case basis. Reality tv is not real anyway, they purposely pick out people that will anoy/surprise you to get people to watch it, so you cannot base all women on the women in these programs but the women in these probably think they can act like that because that is what societys stereotypes has brought them up to believe women can be like.
The people who think that stereotypes are wrong, and people are assholes for looking for the truth are the ones that can't handle a day of reality and usually fall into the category I try not to deal with. It's more hassle than it's worth to get them to see things as they are.
$.02
JustinKredible
07-25-2005, 04:10 PM
at the moment women only earn about 70 cents to every dollar a man earns so it is hard work for women to earn as much as men and very hard for men to be stay at home fathers not to mention how society views men who want to stay at home and look after their families
The equal careers doesn't necessarily have to be equal monitarily. Society sees to it in making that difficult. I just don't agree with girls not applying themselves at any point in their life saying "well, I'm gonna be a stay at home mom"
JustinKredible
07-25-2005, 04:12 PM
Think before you talk. Now think carefully, did you just say stereotypes help people "reach reasonably accurate decisions"? ::cough:: ignorant ::cough::
People are not stoves. We're a little more complex than "hot" or "not hot".
The problem IS looking past stereotypes! Or rather, your inability to do that.
AND, If you're as stupid as you sound, it's likely you need to take your head out of your arse for a day.
lol, guess we know which category you fall in ;)
JustinKredible
07-25-2005, 04:16 PM
Thank God I am getting older and sex has less meaning for me. I can think much more clearly these days.
There's a lot of wise in this statement ;)
JustinKredible
07-25-2005, 04:26 PM
Ahhhh, here it is.
Your subject refers to "most hot women".
Your statement above states "that MIGHT be hot"
Those are two very different statements. One references a possibility, while the other references a probability. The one that is the probability is a bit presumtuous, methinks. Additionally, while my stove MIGHT be hot....typically it is not. But, even if it were, I would never make the assumption that it was on, but would rather just keep in mind that it might be hot and would take the necessary precautions to test it.
Stereotypes do exist for a reason, and there is nothing wrong with using them as a possibility gauge. Using them for pre-judgment, however, is just stupid.
Most = most of the really beautiful women I've met/dated/etc I feel confident I can make that assumption or stereotype based off personal experience, who are you to correct an analogy that was only there to draw a paralell in usefullness. It wasn't meant to be a directly proportional relationship.
Perhaps I've been unfortunate in my experiences, but I know a LOT of beautiful women and this is my observation. The few beautiful women that have their own worth, usually see it themselves or can see the basis to the argument.
polecat
07-25-2005, 06:50 PM
Seems to be a lot of skewing of lines here between two different things: a "domestic" spouse and a "trophy" spouse.
As we all know... domestically, there are a ton of responsibilities. Finances, bills, cooking, cleaning, possibly childrearing, budgeting, home improvements, focus on relationship growth and quality of life, scheduling, etc.etc. This is a full time job in and of itself... especially with children! How partners decide to handle this workload is up to the relatioship. For those (men and women) that want to take on this as a FULL responsibility- it's a domestic partner.
Old fashioned values dictated that women were far superior domestic partners. A lot of guys can't cook, they generally don't look too sexy behind a vacuum cleaner and most don't have the ego to tell their friends on the phone "I'll meet you guys later at the Monster Truck pulls, but I'm busy right now mopping the kitchen." Yard work/duties always were the compromise as they included loud, high-powered equipment that was testosterone safe and approved. Over the years this has become obsolete as women gain more rights, gain more options and can (finally) reverse roles to become more independent and achieve 'bread winner' status.. making available the ability for the male to evolve into solo domestic partner roles.
In modern times, I'd bet the biggest part of the bell curve is neither case but instead some form of sharing of duties/responsibilities. Equal partnerships generally have great success this way and feel more 'grounded'..
This is all well and good, but it should NOT be confused with what I believe Justin is asserting (correct me if I'm wrong), which is instead a 'trophy spouse'.
A trophy spouse simply wants to lounge around all day, do their own thing and all domestic and bread winning responsibilities are assumed to be placed upon someone else. In fact, the only responsibilities they delude themselves is to look good in a bathing suit lounging around the pool/home of some rich old geezer movie producer, rock-star or similar while occasionally just having to fuck them. Maid service, gardener and accountants handle all the domestic duties since they're too busy shopping, sun bathing or taking piano lessons.
I think Justin's perspective of ratio may just be geographically or economically skewed. I know from my years in southern california, a lot of really HOT 19-22 year olds were bangin' down the doors of all the music, porn and movie directors to compete for their chance at being a home appliance with shopping allowance. While it would seem like alot from the perspective of seeing this, it's actually less than like 1% of the really hot girls in the area. Unfortunately, the RARE few that do make it to such status quickly realize it's not glamourous one bit and a very short trip (couple years at best) as newer, less aged girls enter the personnel pool every year.
I don't see this as being unusual one bit as it's more fantasy than anything else. I'm sure once Justin gets up in age (and women he's around do as well) or if he's in an area rampant of this stuff and moves, he'll see it's just younger girl fantasy... not unlike how most every really beautiful girl in high-school also dreams of someday becoming the next Cindy Crawford or Angelina Jolie. Hey, we're all dealt a hand in life and if someone thinks they can shoot for some sort of dream from that hand, whatever it may be, I'll tip my hat and wish 'em the best of luck. By no means do I discourage such fantasies, but I also do not see this as 'most' hot women either.
My main question for Justin is... who cares? I mean, if you disagree with someone's aspirations or find them unrealistic, by all means you're not forced to interact or even associate with them. There's millions of fish in the sea. Could it be some form of repulsion based on deep-down jealousy on the concept? Perhaps this is indeed the gist of the matter... as it's generally been a trend of those that were laughed at and discouraged the most being the ones that attain greatness/coasting through adulthood from battling such pressures.
Bella21
07-25-2005, 09:01 PM
lol, guess we know which category you fall in ;)
Wow, you are some kind of idiot! I'm sure everyone here thanks you for registering on a stripper forum to bitch about some lame stereotype you have about attractive females to a bunch of hard-working, stigmatized women.
Tell me, which category. Since you know sooo much about me.
Bella21
07-25-2005, 09:05 PM
The equal careers doesn't necessarily have to be equal monitarily. Society sees to it in making that difficult. I just don't agree with girls not applying themselves at any point in their life saying "well, I'm gonna be a stay at home mom"
Now, I've never been a stay at home mom, but I'm guessing you haven't either. If a woman choses to apply themselves to their children, that's a perfectly acceptable decision. If you don't like it, find someone compatable with you, instead of bitching about it.
Bella21
07-25-2005, 09:10 PM
The people who think that stereotypes are wrong, and people are assholes for looking for the truth are the ones that can't handle a day of reality and usually fall into the category I try not to deal with. It's more hassle than it's worth to get them to see things as they are.
$.02
Stereotypes are a fact of life. They serve their own purpose... that purpose is not accuracy. People aren't assholes for looking for the truth... and if you are using some stereotype, you aren't going to find much truth. As for that last sentence, I completely agree. You should take your own advice.... somewhere else with this topic. Most of us have to deal with enough negative stereotypes in our day/night.
Silverback
07-25-2005, 09:25 PM
Well, as the philosopher (Jim Morrison) said, "Women seem wicked when you're unwanted".
MojoJojo
07-25-2005, 11:35 PM
Most = most of the really beautiful women I've met/dated/etc I feel confident I can make that assumption or stereotype based off personal experience, who are you to correct an analogy that was only there to draw a paralell in usefullness. It wasn't meant to be a directly proportional relationship.
Perhaps I've been unfortunate in my experiences, but I know a LOT of beautiful women and this is my observation. The few beautiful women that have their own worth, usually see it themselves or can see the basis to the argument.
You fool. I AM MOJO JOJO! THAT'S WHO! MWUAH HAHAHAHAHAHA!
That aside, the point of correcting the analogy (if that is how you want to think of it) was to point out an error in thinking. If you are going to use an analogy to draw a parallel in usefulness, then you need to make sure it is accurate enough to indeed be parallel.
.....it's not my fault your analogy was as inacccurate and shortsighted as all the rest of your statements. But at least you're consistent.
Chevalier
07-26-2005, 12:20 AM
Some stereotypes are more sloppy/intellectually dangerous than others, and the beautiful woman = stupid, or lazy one is just obviously sloppy.
Are all male jocks stupid? Are all "beautiful" men gay? Just laughable!
I'm really glad someone above mentioned the bell curve! That just proves this whole thread ridiculous; i.e. if you took the bottom quarter of the bell curve of intelligence through a population, would we find that this segment was chock full of beautiful women and athletes?!?! Throughout my entire life of study through grad school, I absolutely couldn't even come close to drawing that conclusion.
By definition, ALL Rhodes Scholars are athletes.
The people who use those stereotypes against beautiful women and male jocks are the insecure people who live their lives in a jealous shadow of them.
Stereotypes are like condoms...for your own personal use - use them carefully - and you don't flaunt them around after you've used them.
MojoJojo
07-26-2005, 06:27 AM
Something that I find interesting in all of this yapping back and forth is the fact that he would come to a site that is clearly predominantly female and make such a statement. It appears that he wanted to lash out. How sad.
Chevalier
07-26-2005, 06:36 AM
"I'm not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can't we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem solve itself?"
I think you've said it perfect MoJoJoJo! too funny. ;)
VenusGoddess
07-26-2005, 07:12 AM
The equal careers doesn't necessarily have to be equal monitarily. Society sees to it in making that difficult. I just don't agree with girls not applying themselves at any point in their life saying "well, I'm gonna be a stay at home mom"
This really pisses me off. What makes you think that because someone has a child that they do not apply themselves? I have been a stay-home mommy for (almost) 3 years. My daughter is my full-time job. I get up in the mornings with her, I have her all day, I put her to bed at night...if she can't sleep, I'm up then, too...if she has a bad dream, I calm her down and put her back to bed. When she was a newborn/infant, I nursed her completely...no bottle-feeding. Do you know how fucking hard it is to nurse a baby every 2 hours...all day long...and all night long?
Until you've experienced motherhood, don't knock it. It's being on-call 24/7 with (barely) no vacations.
My days are filled with activities...not only do I cook/clean/do laundry like a good housewife, I take my daughter to play groups...make sure she plays outside and doesn't watch more than 1-2 hours of tv per day...I kiss her skinned knees and discipline her when she needs it (there's no such thing as terrible 2's...it's terrible 3's)...and am basically running around non-stop from sun-up to sun-down. At least when you get home from work, you can relax. I usually hit the pillow exhausted...because my work doesn't ever stop. How's that for "not applying myself"?
Chevalier
07-26-2005, 07:44 AM
VenusGoddess;
He's obviously not a parent. My dream would be for my Harvard MBA ex-wife to stay at home to raise my 4 year old twin daughters - but "'taint gonna happen". A nanny just doesn't cut it friend...nothing can replace a parent's love and care. I said "parent" because a daddy can sure do it too. Wow...did this guy Justin step into a rattlesnake pit or what!! how funny ;D
JustinKredible
07-26-2005, 08:52 AM
Wow, you are some kind of idiot! I'm sure everyone here thanks you for registering on a stripper forum to bitch about some lame stereotype you have about attractive females to a bunch of hard-working, stigmatized women.
Tell me, which category. Since you know sooo much about me.
I think you do a good enough job exemplafying yourself on your own, but thanks.
JustinKredible
07-26-2005, 08:53 AM
VenusGoddess;
He's obviously not a parent. My dream would be for my Harvard MBA ex-wife to stay at home to raise my 4 year old twin daughters - but "'taint gonna happen". A nanny just doesn't cut it friend...nothing can replace a parent's love and care. I said "parent" because a daddy can sure do it too. Wow...did this guy Justin step into a rattlesnake pit or what!! how funny ;D
No, but when I am a parent, I want my child to have a father and a mother, not a mom on call 24x7 and the father off working 80 hrs a week so that the mom can drive a range rover to the grocery store.
Apparently the rattlesnakes aren't as brilliant as they think.
JustinKredible
07-26-2005, 08:59 AM
This really pisses me off. What makes you think that because someone has a child that they do not apply themselves? I have been a stay-home mommy for (almost) 3 years. My daughter is my full-time job. I get up in the mornings with her, I have her all day, I put her to bed at night...if she can't sleep, I'm up then, too...if she has a bad dream, I calm her down and put her back to bed. When she was a newborn/infant, I nursed her completely...no bottle-feeding. Do you know how fucking hard it is to nurse a baby every 2 hours...all day long...and all night long?
Until you've experienced motherhood, don't knock it. It's being on-call 24/7 with (barely) no vacations.
My days are filled with activities...not only do I cook/clean/do laundry like a good housewife, I take my daughter to play groups...make sure she plays outside and doesn't watch more than 1-2 hours of tv per day...I kiss her skinned knees and discipline her when she needs it (there's no such thing as terrible 2's...it's terrible 3's)...and am basically running around non-stop from sun-up to sun-down. At least when you get home from work, you can relax. I usually hit the pillow exhausted...because my work doesn't ever stop. How's that for "not applying myself"?
You know, it's funny. As a bachelor I managed to feed myself, clean for myself, pull in a very good salary, launder my own clothes, do my own errands, etc etc. My life didn't exactly fall apart, so if 90 percent of the bachelors can do that, obviously cleaning/cooking/etc isn't exactly a full time job. I'm sure you feel like supermom, but many mom's do the same thing you do while being single and making their own wage. Why would me saying "parenting should be a shared achievement" "piss you off"?
Bella21
07-26-2005, 08:59 AM
I think you do a good enough job exemplafying yourself on your own, but thanks.
Pussy.
hardkandee
07-26-2005, 08:59 AM
No, but when I am a parent, I want my child to have a father and a mother, not a mom on call 24x7 and the father off working 80 hrs a week so that the mom can drive a range rover to the grocery store.
Apparently the rattlesnakes aren't as brilliant as they think.
It doesn't have to be that way. And most of the time it isn't. Of course there are some situations where there are grossly spoiled and pampered women who do drive Range Rovers to go shopping and spend their time at the salon and yadda yadda yadda, but just because a woman is a stay at home mom/wife does not always mean so.
Would you rather send your child to day care than have a parent home then? Even if it was within your means as a family to support a single income family?
JustinKredible
07-26-2005, 09:00 AM
You fool. I AM MOJO JOJO! THAT'S WHO! MWUAH HAHAHAHAHAHA!
That aside, the point of correcting the analogy (if that is how you want to think of it) was to point out an error in thinking. If you are going to use an analogy to draw a parallel in usefulness, then you need to make sure it is accurate enough to indeed be parallel.
.....it's not my fault your analogy was as inacccurate and shortsighted as all the rest of your statements. But at least you're consistent.
I was calling the kettle black there, you have as much right as I do. BUT, my opinions are far from short sighted
JustinKredible
07-26-2005, 09:01 AM
Well, as the philosopher (Jim Morrison) said, "Women seem wicked when you're unwanted".
I do ok on my own, and I have a wonderful girlfriend. But the quote is a good one.
Bunny
07-26-2005, 09:04 AM
"I just want to stay at home"
Who the fuck doesn't??
I for one DON'T want to just stay home. Please. I'd shoot myself after the first week.
Bella21
07-26-2005, 09:16 AM
Apparently the rattlesnakes aren't as brilliant as they think.
I think it's time to stop feeding the troll here... now that it's pretty obvious.
Rhiannon
07-26-2005, 09:29 AM
I think that's about it for this thread, people. Not sure what the original intent was, but...