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evan_essence
08-13-2005, 02:31 PM
I have been reading this for a while, mostly because I used to live in Tampa, for the most part the sense is "oh these laws are unfair" "we don't like that they got changed or how" "they are selectiveley enforced".
That is all well and good but doesn't change the fact the laws are what they are and the girls know what they are or should know, and for whatever reason/reasons have chose not to follow them. In these circumstances you can't bitch about being busted for something that is against the law, you knew it and did it anyway.None of us bitching got busted so it's not like we're defending our actions by saying the law is bad. We're bitching about the law being bad for various reasons, including being open to subjective interpretation and selective enforcement and the fact that the charge would probably be dismissed if one had enough money to appeal it.
An anology would be if there were a highway that the speed limit used to be 65, for whatever reason, Busy body soccer moms worried about there kids or what ever it gets lowered to 50, but for the most part everyone still goes 65 because rarely is there ever anyone out there enforcing the law. when every once in a while some cop comes out there and happens to clock you at 65 it is somehow there fault? I mean you were the one that knew it was 50 and decided to go 65 because you do it pretty much everyday and don't get a ticket. You knew you could get a ticket but chose to risk it anyway. That's a pretty good analogy actually. You see, we're the ones who haven't gotten ticketed for going 65, but are complaining that the change was ridiculous because it was made to politically appease a group rather than based on sound highway engineering principles that measure traffic patterns and the actual danger. The speed limit works better when it's set by judging its actual impact rather than responding to political pressure. The supporters of these strip club restrictions claim to want to clean up behavior inside the club, but if history is any indicator, this type of law accomplishes exactly the opposite. Similarly, having the cop pull over a few token speeders doesn't accomplish the safety that the soccer moms wanted, but it sure makes them feel better about what they think they accomplished.
-Ev
Melonie
08-14-2005, 04:44 AM
Actually it's not quite the same analogy. In Florida's case driving 65 mph was never actually legal, the speed limit has always been 50 mph. However, under previous law the cops were only allowed to bust drivers doing 65 mph if a 'civilian' reported that driver's actions to the police - which happened extremely rarely if ever. Thus every Florida driver was confident in being able to drive 65 mph, even though doing so was illegal, because the risk of being busted for it was essentially zero. Under the new law, the cops are now allowed to check the drivers speed themselves, and to bust any driver they themselves see that is doing 65 mph, which vastly increases the probability of drivers doing 65 mph now being busted.
You can also expand this analogy. If the charge and the 'fine' are about the same for being busted going 60 mph or 65 mph or 70 mph or 75 mph, and if a driver can earn more money by driving 75 mph with no additional risk of being busted compared to driving 60 mph, it's highly probable that drivers who depend on driving to earn money are going to start driving faster than ever !
evan_essence
08-14-2005, 06:43 AM
^^ :rotfl: Okay, okay! I acknowledge you are the analogy master on this issue, Mel. :hat:
-Ev
But only 9's and 10's will get off with verbal warnings. :cop:
Pamela
08-14-2005, 08:02 AM
I have been reading all the posts. I don't and have not even danced a Tampa club. But i heard they are on the dirtier side, i.e. drugs abound with major law breaking. Please don't get pissed at me it's only what i heard from a few others who know of a couple of the clubs busted.
BUt seriously, busting these ladies and making their private info. is like a "fuck you" kinda thing, we will show them. I don't like giving out personal info. period.
Also grabbing a guys cock...Be it through pants or not is illegal!!!!!
Grinding ld's...well i don't know about Tampa. But in Miami we did it all the time, we had vice stand at the doors at times and just look around, and this was happening on the floor!!!!
Yes accepting money for a SEXUAL favour could very well land you in trouble, as this is prostitution. But accepting money for a handshake is NOT. I jumped a strangers car once and he gave me a few bucks, we shook hands.
It's wrong that Police should be able to BUY from the girls. But for the sake of the clubs, it's right if they are doing wrong.
I hope cameras were in full swing that day!!!!!
And i know what goes in Tampa and these ladies got busted for (as long as it was dance related) goes well in south Florida. Or at least has for many years. Hell i danced and dated a COP from the club....
The bust has it's pros and cons imo. Sorry for rambling....just woke up.
Pamela
phonehome
08-14-2005, 03:03 PM
Most laws are selectivley enforced, sometimes by design but more often by default, you can't have a cop on every corner 24/7 so if you choose to do something illegal odds are you will get away with it some of the times but do it enough and you probably will get busted.
Who is the master of analogies I don't know but I am pretty good at them so back to the highway thing for a minute, at one point in the past it was legal to drive 65 IE before the 6 foot rule in Tampa and other laws like them that got passed mostly in the 90's. It is true to say that most of the girls "driving" started after the laws were changed but there are enough 30 something girls around that started berfore so that they all still know how it used to be.
As far as the "they have to still drive 65 to make a living" argument I would be pretty careful going down that road, that is sort of the argument that you hear from the extra's girls, maybe they would rather not be doing it but what you hear is along the lines of "all the other girls are giving HJ&BJ so if I don't I won't make any money" the point being that just because everyone else drives 65 and you normally do as well to keep from getting run over doesn't make it right and you shouldn't be pissed when you do get a speeding ticket and rant and rave about how the law is unjust.
If you know what the law is if not you should and choose not to follow it for what ever reason, when you get caught, don't whine, just take your punishment like an adult. If you can't do that then follow the law to begin with.
As far as changing the laws, well I know Joe Redner has at one time or another ran for just about every public office in Tampa or Hillsborough County and not won one yet.
kitana
08-15-2005, 12:35 AM
The ironic thing is most of the girls who I know do extras make like half of what I make not doing them. Ive been averaging 7-8k a month working 3 nights and I know girls who I work around who are lucky to see that working 5-6 nights a week.
And no I will not go near a custy's genitals even though clothed. I do grind but I also do not get stupid trying to make extra money by the methods many girls here have talked about.
Mods feel free to modify this as needed, but I have had ENOUGH!
Look here you stupid bitch, if you do any form of contact with any part of your body in or around his lap area, then is prostitution, and guess what?! YOUR A WHORE TOO! If you grind your a WHORE!
And as for the 5's and 6's you keep throwing around like they are garbage; I would be a solid 5 for a club in NYC such as PEC, or Scores. But in a podunk, BFE club in Backwater, USA I would be a solid 10. At my home club I'm an 8.
So what does that tell you?! It should tell you that it's RELATIVE.
And from your avatar pic, I personally can't see you being over a 6 1/2 on a good day. But that's just my opinion.
Just back off, worry about your own sorry ass, and stop busting on others whom you feel superior to. But I doubt you will do that, since you have issues with yourself that force you to critize others for your own self-inflated self worth. But whatever you have to do to feel better about yourself right? *sarcasm*
Archangel
08-15-2005, 10:11 AM
Actually it's not quite the same analogy. In Florida's case driving 65 mph was never actually legal, the speed limit has always been 50 mph. However, under previous law the cops were only allowed to bust drivers doing 65 mph if a 'civilian' reported that driver's actions to the police - which happened extremely rarely if ever. Thus every Florida driver was confident in being able to drive 65 mph, even though doing so was illegal, because the risk of being busted for it was essentially zero. Under the new law, the cops are now allowed to check the drivers speed themselves, and to bust any driver they themselves see that is doing 65 mph, which vastly increases the probability of drivers doing 65 mph now being busted.
You can also expand this analogy. If the charge and the 'fine' are about the same for being busted going 60 mph or 65 mph or 70 mph or 75 mph, and if a driver can earn more money by driving 75 mph with no additional risk of being busted compared to driving 60 mph, it's highly probable that drivers who depend on driving to earn money are going to start driving faster than ever !
This hits it on the head. Even before the 6' law and SB 730, contact was still illegal. It was just harder to prosecute. All the 6' did was make it easier to see and define.
To add to Mel's perfect clarification of the analogy... Not only does the new change allow an officer to check the speed himself, it allows him to do it by "eyeballing it" rather than even requiring a radar gun or an eyewitness. If it looks like you were going too fast to that particular officer on that particular day (regardless of his mood or the political pressure he may or may not be under), you will have to tell your side to the judge. Now, the judge may tell the officer that he's crazy, but it will go to court all the same.
Bunny
08-15-2005, 12:47 PM
talk about selective enforcement of fucking laws, I got a goddamn ticket today for failing to yield to a pedestrian. Now I KNOW that you have to yield to a pedestrian in a crosswalk. Hell, I've been almost run down by cars while in a crosswalk. BUT I had the green arrow AND the dude who was crossing the street was still like waaaay far away and I figured I'd just go (after stopping) and zip on through. It was a big group of cops on a corner downtown and they were radioing to each other and pulling cars over right and left for shit they probably didn't even know was wrong....filling up their fucking ticket quotas. That shit pisses me off. I mean damn, clock me at 80 on the interstate and give me a ticket but don't be fucking sneaky and give me a ticket for something that may be technically wrong but would never think about. I mean unless this pedestrian decided to break into a flat out sprint I would NEVER have hit him. Goddamn that pissed me off. Sorry. That was my little rant for the day.
:(
Archangel
08-15-2005, 02:10 PM
LOL. You have my sympathies...
But out of curiousity, did you ask them if they issued a citation to the pedestrian for crossing against the light? Talk to the judge about it. I'm pretty sure the lights determine right of way. ;)
Laws are definately funny. Like the case a while back where a pedestrian was hit on a dark road while walking with traffic instead of against it, like you're supposed to? If I remember correctly, the driver won all court cases because the person on foot was breaking the law.
Melonie
08-15-2005, 03:22 PM
If it looks like you were going too fast to that particular officer on that particular day (regardless of his mood or the political pressure he may or may not be under), you will have to tell your side to the judge. Now, the judge may tell the officer that he's crazy, but it will go to court all the same.
Yup, and in the absence of a club security video tape showing exactly what a particular dancer did or did NOT actually do during a private dance, in a 'word of a cop' versus 'word of a dancer' situation the cop's testimony will win out every time.
As far as changing the laws, well I know Joe Redner has at one time or another ran for just about every public office in Tampa or Hillsborough County and not won one yet.
Unfortunately for the rest of Florida, this matter isn't limited to a county anti-dance club ordinance any longer. The heart of the matter is a new state-wide enforcement technique (cop as complainant) being applicable to a state prostitution law (which says and always did say that grinding constitutes prostitution). The only matter still open to debate is 'selective enforcement' i.e. certain jursidictions directing LE resources to enforce the state prostitution law, with other jurisdictions having more important things to worry about.
Bunny
08-16-2005, 07:51 PM
But out of curiousity, did you ask them if they issued a citation to the pedestrian for crossing against the light? Talk to the judge about it. I'm pretty sure the lights determine right of way. ;)
I sent the damned ticket to an attorney. I'm sure he can make a lot better argument than I can.
}:D
amylynnej
08-17-2005, 05:28 PM
Im 100% for more enforcement in the clubs. Its needed. I think every club needs to be held more accountable. We need to get rid of the ho's and pimps wannabes.
If you have done nothing wrong then you have no reason to fear getting raided.
laplover69
08-17-2005, 06:16 PM
Im 100% for more enforcement in the clubs. Its needed. I think every club needs to be held more accountable. We need to get rid of the ho's and pimps wannabes.
If you have done nothing wrong then you have no reason to fear getting raided.
Unfortunately, with the laws being so vague (which can be a good thing), what is WRONG in one area in this case (Florida) may be perfectly acceptable in another area of the state. Even though it is a STATEwide law, many jurisdictions have better things to utilize taxpayers money on than enforcing some silly 6 foot or officer interpretation of what is "lewd" rule.
MinahSky
08-17-2005, 08:13 PM
If you have done nothing wrong then you have no reason to fear getting raided.
Actually, that's not true. In some cities, they arrest everyone in the club, regardless if they've done something or not. Some also put everyone's business in the paper (my old town did-even a speeding ticket). So if your family didn't know, they would after the raid. Some judges look down on mothers being dancers and that could cause problems for a lady doing nothing but taking care of her business.
Melonie
08-18-2005, 03:32 AM
I assume that AmyLynne's comment about 'doing nothing wrong' applies to working in an upscale zero contact 'show club', where in fact the dancers are 'doing nothing wrong' in regard to the state prostitution law. But in any lap dance club, by the letter of the law, every dancer working in that club may technically be 'doing something wrong' the minute she starts giving a lap dance. This places the dancer in a 'rock and a hard place' situation where she can be busted at any time simply for 'doing her job'. And unfortunately, this situation now exists in probably half of all the clubs in the USA. The only mitigating factor is that enforcement efforts have typically been very lax in the past. However, lack of previous enforcement efforts does not make lap dances any more 'legal'.
I also concur with Minah that in many areas of the country if a club is busted the cops will round up ALL of the dancers and let the judge sort it out later. While the charges made against a particular dancer may eventually be dropped, this doesn't stop the local media from publishing the fact that the arrest took place, as well as publishing personal info regarding the girls who were busted.
Jackson Roikirk
11-23-2005, 06:30 PM
I for one feel a lot safer knowing that these dangerous criminals are off the street.
Soliciting drinks, exposure of a sexual organ, whats next, defiling an innocent customer with lustful thoughts of being with a beautiful woman, whats this world comming to? I say lock em up. And while there at it, I also know of several children with downs syndrome who constantly soil perfectly good diapers. And those G.D. preemies, don't they know how much they are costing society? Now those are the real threat. ::)
sol_de_pr2
11-25-2005, 04:56 PM
These girls would get away with murder if they decided to dance in some of PR's clubs ;D
Im 100% for more enforcement in the clubs. Its needed. I think every club needs to be held more accountable. We need to get rid of the ho's and pimps wannabes.
If you have done nothing wrong then you have no reason to fear getting raided.
Riiight.
The police force is usually an nation unto itself, meaning they can do pretty much whatever they want and no one will question it. No matter if you work in a club like Scores or a hole in the wall beer bar. If the police come in, you will be carted away - of course unless someone is greasing the wheels of justice with that almighty green.
Always around election time, Case in point, the last week I worked at my home club there was recorded a murder a day - that made for seven unsolved murders. But still the PD found the time to come into my work place. harass folks, check ID's and make comments as they looked at my co-workers tattoos.
We were doing nothing wrong. Nothing to fear huh? I have more horror stories about other times when we ( Myself and my co-workers ) were doing "Nothing wrong."
Pamela
11-25-2005, 10:12 PM
These girls would get away with murder if they decided to dance in some of PR's clubs ;D
As well as south Florida! A grind ld????? WTF? Saying im thirsty???? WTF?
I don't get it. Hope cameras are running, because a cop can lie about the grind...::)
Sad they posted the pictures. Very sad. I know nothing of these clubs because i don't hit Tampa, but seriously....it's BS>:(
Melonie
11-25-2005, 10:21 PM
Hope cameras are running, because a cop can lie about the grind...
And herein lies an extremely important point for dancers to understand. Given the Hollywood Stereotype of 'strippers', if a cop decides to take poetic license in regard to his testimony against a dancer, even if bogus, the Judge and jury members will believe whatever the cops says 99% of the time as the 'gospel truth' and disregard whatever the dancer says in her own defense as a 'self-serving pack of lies'. Thus about the ONLY way that a dancer can beat bogus charges when her case first comes to court is if club security tapes are available to show the judge and jury exactly what the dancer was doing (or more importantly NOT doing). If all she has to offer in her own defense is her own word versus the word of a cop, fugeedaboudit.
However, if there isn't any hard evidence showing that a dancer was actually doing the full-on grind and/or sex acts, then an appeals court Judge is much more likely to listen to the dancer's side of the story and take the arresting officer's testimony with a 'grain of salt'. Thus if a dancer takes her case to appeals court, and there isn't any evidence other than the cop's word that she was breaking the law, the odds are pretty good that she can beat the charges. However, mounting an appeal usually involves ponying up several thousand dollars in attorney's fees to allow a bogusly busted dancer to prove her innocence - with no guarantee of success.
OZ_KYLE
02-02-2006, 04:14 PM
ok i used to manage 2 of the clubs were talking about here, bare assets of holiday and lollipops of hudson, i was actualy being the area supervisor of operations for the 2 clubs at the time of the busts. so maybe i can shed some light on this.
girl number 12 " candy"looks pretty aggrivated because she solicitted a red bull. what a joke, most of the arrests are frivelous, the prositution charges are also a crock of shit, all dancers know you never agree or imply anything will happen in the back other than a dance but playfull suggestiveness is common to intice customers to dance, never open doors never close them, yeah it sucks but thats the way it is, some of the other girls were charged because they " grinded" to long in a full contact environment, i have currently moved on to GM OZ in clearwater florida but the current owners and managers are respresenting these girls and it is believed all charges will be dropped except one!!!! we did not represent the girl who was caught with a marijuana posession charge for having a bowl with resin!
ta ta for now
Rhiannon
02-02-2006, 04:17 PM
Kyle.. Can you please finally shed some light on what's wrong with Candy's eye? Is it Pink Eye or something?
OZ_KYLE
02-02-2006, 04:21 PM
Joe Redner also just came out and said he was gay last month in nightmoves magazine! He has great business scence but i honestly beleive most of his actions are for publicity! He may want and believe in his causes but the chances of him winning a city title is like a quadrapalegic winning the 500 meter breast stroke! I'm afraid that while drawing attention to his businesses and raising his bottom line, he is infact putting a crutch on the rest of his surroundings because it forces politicians into a smear campain with a already frowned upon industry!!!!!
OZ_KYLE
02-02-2006, 04:22 PM
hahahahaha,
no candy has typicaly had clear eyes, she was fired shortly after for being a drama queen, not because she looked like the blonde version of the daughter in the incredibles!
FrustratedBunny
02-02-2006, 05:34 PM
I saw Joe Redner on public access and some dude pissed him off so he tells the guy he's a dildo and hung up on him.....I laughed my ass off!
velvet
02-02-2006, 05:41 PM
joe said he was gay because he is fighting the city for removing a gay pride section from the public libraby. so now he's saying he's gay. kinda like that movie in and out when everyone stands up and says "im gay"
anyone that would believe that is silly. joe has slept with thousands of girls.
OZ_KYLE
02-03-2006, 12:41 PM
that was my point velvet!
on a side note, the same 5 clubs were raided again lastnight! MY exgirlfriend got arrested! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol. all jokes aside, bare assets, brass flamingo, lollipops, xtc, and calender girls all got raided last night 28 arrests
Melonie
02-03-2006, 12:46 PM
However these charges finally wind up being disposed of, the sad fact is that the arrests are going to show up on a whole lot of girls' permanent records, and that the clubowners or dancers or both are going to be shelling out a whole lot of cash for legal fees.
keira
04-27-2006, 10:53 AM
It's a disgrace, what happened to innocent till proven guilty, these girls have had their pics plastered all over the net pre trial! How were the pics obtained BTW, illegally I bet. Another stand over, vote generating tactic by the police and politicians, I doubt they've got anything substantial on them so they drag them through the mud and chew up their hard earned money, it's a smear campaign, to the cops and pollies involved in this incident: "get a real job!"
NaughtyAngel
04-27-2006, 10:18 PM
That's how it's in Florida. A breeding ground or... a testing ground for the rest of America. Unfortunately women are devalued in America.
ChristyWild
04-28-2006, 07:16 AM
Yes, sad to say, but a lot of the PDs down here would rather waste their time bothering strippers whose job aim is to twist, tease, and deceive to get money from the guys whichever way they know how. However, I did work one day at Bare Assets and the main reason I did not return is that I did see a guy getting something from one of the dancers that I would never give at work. Also, the thing about the red bull and such- florida law is set up that asking for a drink, even a non-alcoholic one, is a misdemeanor. Fucked up, huh?
But yeah, most of the cases in this kind of raid do get thrown out because of improper procedure or because the cop thinks that he can pull the "I was offended" card. Problem with that is that due to another federal case a couple years ago, it was ruled that cops cannot use themselves as the offended party as grounds for arrest. Keep that in mind for future reference.
Melonie
04-28-2006, 08:24 AM
"Innocent until proven guilty" doesn't work in the absence of hard evidence. When the matter becomes a credibility contest between the word of a 'well respected local cop' and a 'hollywood stereotype lying, thieving, drug addict, whoring stripper' being accepted by a good ol' boy local judge and a jury of neglected housewives, 700 club watchers, retirees, civil servants whose paychecks are signed by the mayor, and whoever else can't manage to get out of jury duty, the reality of the situation becomes this ...
The dancer will lose any credibility contest where a cop says she did something and she says she didn't, and there is no video surveillance tape available to show what actually happened.
... knowing that a dancer working in such an environment is subject to being busted and being found guilty, your other observation immediately follows if you think logically. If a particular girl has a choice of doing HJ's, BJ's etc. in exchange for major earnings potential, versus doing lap dances for lower earnings potential, and if in both cases she'll be charged with the same prostitution offense, and if in both cases anybody checking her record (i.e. prospective straight job employers, future court cases) will assume that she was actually performing acts of prostitution which led to the bust, and if she will wind up paying the same fine or doing the same jail time, then where is the motivation for girls NOT to consider doing HJ's and BJ's ?
There's actually a more ironic twist. Girls who are earning major bucks doing HJ's and BJ's can afford top notch legal representation and appealing their local court conviction to higher courts ... both of which vastly increase the chances that she'll be found innocent or that the charges will be dropped. On the other hand, the 'clean' dancer probably isn't in a similar position to lay out thousands of dollars in legal fees out of her own pocket, vastly increasing the chances that a local court guilty verdict will stick.
Optimist
04-28-2006, 09:02 AM
If a particular girl has a choice of doing HJ's, BJ's etc. in exchange for major earnings potential, versus doing lap dances for lower earnings potential, and if in both cases she'll be charged with the same prostitution offense, and if in both cases anybody checking her record (i.e. prospective straight job employers, future court cases) will assume that she was actually performing acts of prostitution which led to the bust, and if she will wind up paying the same fine or doing the same jail time, then where is the motivation for girls NOT to consider doing HJ's and BJ's ?
There's actually a more ironic twist. Girls who are earning major bucks doing HJ's and BJ's can afford top notch legal representation and appealing their local court conviction to higher courts ... both of which vastly increase the chances that she'll be found innocent or that the charges will be dropped. On the other hand, the 'clean' dancer probably isn't in a similar position to lay out thousands of dollars in legal fees out of her own pocket, vastly increasing the chances that a local court guilty verdict will stick.
That's why it's better to stay out of clubs that allow prostitutes to work among the dancers. If you've complained about extras girls and your managers don't care it's time to start looking elsewhere before you get caught up in these kinds of raids.
ChristyWild
04-29-2006, 07:33 AM
Florida bill, maybe, but generally speaking, no the officer as offended party is a federal thing. As for the Florida bill, it may be passed, but notice that the article doesn't say as of 7/29/05 whether or not said bill has been challenged in court, which it just as well may have. Also, from my personal knowledge about Tampa's ill-fated 6 foot ordinance, sometimes the wording makes it so that normal police procedure gets in the way of enforcement of the ordinance, causing the arrests made to be thrown out for improper enforcement. Who knows, but you raise a valid point. We should look more into this to see if it has, in fact, been enforced or even challenged.
OZ_KYLE
04-30-2006, 03:02 PM
i am still managing clubs in this area. the law still remains! but there is a loop hole to wich the clubs are finiding out, patrons now have to sign an offensive release waiver before entering the clubs and included in the waiver it states law enforcement activities can not dictate what is offensive if not illegal, it explains suggestive sexual entertainment as opposed to illegal activity and sites the legislation wich defines such terms. since the waiver has been inplace, their has not been any more raids.
velvet
04-30-2006, 07:39 PM
whoa customers actually sign those things. do they use their names?
Optimist
04-30-2006, 08:05 PM
Brilliant! Now if customers were willing to fight 'concerned' picketers and legislators publicly...
FrustratedBunny
04-30-2006, 09:07 PM
Isn't there a sign on the front door of Odyssey in Tampa that says something to the effect of "You will see nudity. If it offends you, leave," or something like that. Put it right there where they can read it. I think it might turn away customers if you ask them to sign something but who knows. If it works, go for it.
CustomerFromHell
06-15-2006, 02:45 PM
Looks like this one is taking advantage of the photo op.
Lemons into lemonade, I guess. ::)
Hey! Watch that BEVERAGE SOLICITATION!
CustomerFromHell
06-15-2006, 02:53 PM
actually, many states have written their prostitution laws to cover circumstances which clearly don't fit the classical definition of prostitution. For example, in Texas two dancers were on stage at the same time. One dancer touched the other dancer's breast while customers (including an undercover cop) were tipping stageside. Poof they were both busted on prostitution charges and later found guilty ... because ...
a. under Texas law all that is required to be busted for prostitution is to be involved in sexual contact in exchange for money
b. under Texas law breasts are included in the definitions of sexual areas, therefore touching a breast or having your breast touched constitutes engaging in sexual contact
c. under Texas law the tip money provided by a 3rd party constitutes payment ... there is no requirement that the person paying the money also be one of the persons engaging in the sexual contact
Thus it is entirely possible that 'grabbing the guy's dick through his pants' constitutes sexual contact under Florida law, and accepting a tip (or perhaps just accepting the normal private dance money from the customer) constitutes payment in exchange for that sexual contact. All you need now is a creative DA, a conservative judge, and a jury box full of bible thumpers, civil servants and retirees, and these girls will wind up with criminal records ...
This is one of two big pet peeves of mine (sexualization of breasts). Know WHY the breast was sexualized in America but not Europe? BABY FORMULA MAKERS worked hard to accomplish this almost 100 years ago to discourage women from breastfeeding in public.
The other pet peeve of mine is margarine, which is promoted as healthier than butter when it's actually worse for you (they have to pump a lot of crap into the oil to get it to the texture of butter). So why is this done? Well, you can't milk an ear of corn or a canola plant, so they had to think of something.
MADAM LIZZ
03-07-2007, 10:25 PM
shit we need a forum/website were we can expose all these undercover cops & post all there names/photos/info so the whole world can see all the corupption there into & were there tax dollars are spent on........i bet if we had a voice or media outlet were we could expose the under covers,many bullshit raids/arrests would disappre completly
Lola Rose
03-07-2007, 10:54 PM
Again with the old threads..... wtf?
and if you dd something DUMB like that, the cops and gov't will fight back big time, and you'll soon be out of a job!!! DUH! Keeping Strip Clubs out of the news and off the radar is your best bet.