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danielle1
08-17-2005, 11:55 AM
I thought this only happened in my club. The majority of Mexican men that come to my club do not tip the girls. I hate to sound stereotypical but it happens all the time.

luvbuniz
08-17-2005, 12:37 PM
>:(

I had a mexican customer yesterday where the stereotype proved true. He was well dressed so it was unexpected. Wish I slapped him at the end. It was the longest 3 for $100 dance ever.

On the other hand, the 2nd gen Mexicans are well behaved.

Anonymous_Strippa
08-17-2005, 01:06 PM
Race discrimination is the archetype of ignorance. How sad and pathetic.

Are we not all intelligent enough to realize this is about social and economical status in YOUR area. In my area its whites, in others its black, others asian etc etc etc. It disgusts me to read such stupidity about any one culture.

Sinn
08-17-2005, 01:30 PM
economical status in YOUR area. In my area its whites, in others its black, others asian etc etc etc. It disgusts me to read such stupidity about any one culture.
well, just put all of these types in one basket. Cus thier behavior is bad. Most of the time the magement doesnt care about your personal safety.

Bridgette
08-17-2005, 04:48 PM
I've been bitten on the nipple by a "respectable" looking white man and one "respectable" looking latino. I've been licked by men of ALL colors. ALL. I've been otherwise treated poorly and not tipped by PLENTY of white men. PLENTY.

I've worked in bars where the white boys were just as likely as the latinos to split a $6 pitcher 6 ways, and they were JUST as cheap and annoying as the latinos. If there's a drink special being offered, there will be cheapasses of all colors to flocking buy it.

Perhaps the bad attitude some of you are getting from latinos is a direct reflection of YOUR attitude toward them.

Btw, not all brown-skinned men are mexican.

MinahSky
08-17-2005, 05:21 PM
Maybe if I put it like this it'll be easier to understand...

Stereotyping a man that visits a strip club as cheap and nasty because of his nationality is like people stereotyping us all as whores because we dance for a living.

Susan Wayward
08-17-2005, 05:24 PM
Amen, MS. And let me just say that a dancer (or anyone in any business) who can't deal with Latino customers will not get very far in Texas . . .

BrainyDancerGirl
08-17-2005, 05:53 PM
I agree about overgeneralizing. All Mexican/Spanish customers are not bad.

When I used to work at the Cheetah in Atlanta, we used to get a lot of Mexican customers. But, because of the atmosphere of the club (and the fact that I know enough Spanish to communicate with them very effectively!), we rarely had problems with them.

In fact, sometimes a group of Mexican guys was one of the best groups to go up to for dances. They liked sipping their beers and having 2,3 or 4 girls on the tables in front of them doing dances. Sometimes, if you just happened to walk by, they would stop you and say, "Hey! You, up there!" You'd hop on the table, and next thing you know, you'd knock out 2 or 3 dances in a row.

I know it's hard to not pre-judge someone. As a black dancer, I'm skeptical of black customers sometimes. However, I take the time to say, "Hi" or at least observe their behavior from a distance and then approach them if they seem cool. One of the best customers I ever had was a black guy, and I made $1200 off him just from sipping drinks, chatting and playing pool in the VIP lounge. And several times I have had Latino customers (one Mexican, who was not your typical business guy) and made $500+

Bridgette
08-17-2005, 06:31 PM
Amen, MS. And let me just say that a dancer (or anyone in any business) who can't deal with Latino customers will not get very far in Texas . . .


...or in Arizona, or New Mexico, or California, or Florida, or New York, or a whole lot of other places!

krchab99
08-17-2005, 06:59 PM
First of all i can't belive anyone of you would think this is a raciset post its deffently not this is a very valid topic. I know exactly what she is talking about and i don't deal with those custmers either i don't care if i loose a thousand bucks on it they are rude and touchy. Everyone on here is smart enough to know she was not talking about an entire race you all know exaclty what we are talking about so please don't turn this into something it is not. THank you.

MinahSky
08-17-2005, 08:00 PM
All I'm trying to do is keep stuff in perspective. Remember how we as dancers are perceived by the general public every once in a while and that should do it.

Bridgette
08-17-2005, 09:26 PM
Same here. We all profile customers to some extent to try and target our best potential $guys. But if yall don't see how this is leaning racist, well I guess there's not much left to say. Just keep in mind appearances are often deceiving, and you'll do better to observe the guys a bit before approaching, rather than simply write them off just because they happen to be dark-skinned. Cheapasses come in all colors girls.

Notice in reading through this thread, how those of us who have talked about making an effort to give latinos a chance and deal with them appropriately have ALSO been the ones who've expressed having made good money off them. By the same token, the girls who've only talked about how bad they are as customers, only have negative things to say about latino custies.

Farrah_Holiday
08-17-2005, 10:48 PM
Ladies,the "mexican"or more common,the "latino" or "south American"ia already the leading minority in the united states.
Why exclude 30% of your clientel right off the bat???

OMG ! I'm agreeing w/ MnM ! Stop the presses.
Seriously, some of my best spenders have been Mexican and so have some of my worse. That goes for every race. ::)

Farrah_Holiday
08-17-2005, 10:54 PM
First of all i can't belive anyone of you would think this is a raciset post its deffently not this is a very valid topic. I know exactly what she is talking about and i don't deal with those custmers either i don't care if i loose a thousand bucks on it they are rude and touchy. Everyone on here is smart enough to know she was not talking about an entire race you all know exaclty what we are talking about so please don't turn this into something it is not. THank you.

I can see what you're saying and it is a valid topic. If we can't discuss what we feel here on SW where can we ? There are some assholes that we don't want to dance for and as an independent contractor its your choice for whom you choose to dance or not dance for.

abadvi
08-17-2005, 11:04 PM
Everyone on here is smart enough to know she was not talking about an entire race

I have no way of knowing that. If it's not about their race, why not just say "cheap customers"?

krchab99
08-18-2005, 06:33 AM
This post is not about cheap custmers it about something more specfic take it for whats its worth if you don't like what we are talking about don't post here under this topic.

Bridgette
08-18-2005, 06:39 AM
Umm, not exactly the best way to encourage mature discussion there...

Sinn
08-18-2005, 10:46 AM
well I have found that this type of customer is literally invading our club; wheras there used to be halfway decent customers (of a variety of backgrounds) and now our club is mobbed with non english speaking customers who just dont understand the rules. Sorry, but Ill leave the moneymaking to those who can handle them. Getting molested for 20$ by any type customer is not fun.
For example this person that I danced for on saturday- He was spanish and I only took his offer to dance for him because at that point I only had 30$ in my pocket which barely covered house fee. It was a half hour til closing time and I was beyond desperate to break 50$ on a saturday night.With extras goin on AND spanish in the club its hard to make money cus I wont deal with either type customer.
The dude readily agreed to a dance w/me , tried to lick me, repeateldy touched me and then, when I was done with our one song dance, After he paid his cheap 20$ I was walking away he literally grabbed my ass from behind and tried to fnger me.

Its my opinion that if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it IS a duck. LOL;)

Bridgette
08-18-2005, 01:21 PM
If I were in a club where there were too many extras going on, particularly to the point I couldn't even break $50 on a Saturday night, I wouldn't waste time trying to racially profile the extras hounds going there, I'd just find another club!

MinahSky
08-18-2005, 02:41 PM
Sinn, if I remember correctly, when you've written about problems with your club it was due to the girls doing extras, not the spanish speaking customers.

I'm not going to go into the whole that unless you're (not just Sinn, everyone) a Native Indian that your ancestors came here (uninvited) from a different country speaking a different language and that at one point each nationality that came here was treated like the lowest form of crap until the next wave came thing.

No. I am going to take this opportunity to remind everyone that we ALL come from one place. We all come from the SAME DNA. Over millions of years, we have evolved and mutated to become the different people we are now. If you checked our DNA today, the difference is very, very, very small...


SO CAN WE PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE IN TERMS OF THEIR RACE/NATIONALITY/SKIN COLOR?!?!?!?!? PLEASE? CHEAP, NASTY AND DISRESPECTFUL MEN COME IN ALL KINDS OF WRAPPINGS.

Sinn
08-18-2005, 03:05 PM
PLEASE? CHEAP, NASTY AND DISRESPECTFUL MEN COME IN ALL KINDS OF WRAPPINGS.
Yes, indeed

krchab99
08-18-2005, 06:07 PM
you know i think you all missed the point of this post and sinn thank you for posting this issue its very vaild i understand where you are comming from. Thank you.

miabella
08-18-2005, 06:25 PM
the only guys who i've seen touch girls inappropriately onstage have been mexicans who spoke little or no english. that said, there are older, respectful gentleman who don't speak english who come in and shower girls with money just to hang out and do airdances. and a lot of the mexican/guatemalan/salvadoran/etc guys who don't speak english are happy to give money to a girl who speaks decent spanish and/or doesn't behave rudely to them. i think for a lot of dancers, the problem is that spanish-speaking-only customers are a smaller subset of the larger group, so if they come in and are jerks, it is a longer time before a decent set comes in. whereas white guys are the majority of customers in many places, so you are likely to see a polite one a lot sooner after the asshole one(s) leave.

but on the flipside, hispanic customers have been my among most generous customers overall, english speaking or not.

MinahSky
08-18-2005, 08:05 PM
No krchab99, we didn't miss the point. YOU did.

Yea
08-19-2005, 12:05 AM
This post is not about cheap custmers it about something more specfic take it for whats its worth if you don't like what we are talking about don't post here under this topic.

A_S puts this well...


Race discrimination is the archetype of ignorance. How sad and pathetic.

Are we not all intelligent enough to realize this is about social and economical status in YOUR area. In my area its whites, in others its black, others asian etc etc etc. It disgusts me to read such stupidity about any one culture.

This is not about being politically correct. This is simple truth. You can not label a race BECAUSE YOUR CLUB ALLOWS THIS and this happens to be your demographics.

Yea
08-19-2005, 12:06 AM
I wonder what the reactions would be if this was titled White/American Customers .. or Black/African Customers.

Sinn, is this acceptable to you because its Mexican/Spanish?? Would you still have posted this if your problem was with blacks, whites, or how about muslims or jewish???

Girls, do you not get out much? Travel around and you will quickly discover that lickers, grabbers, and cheap bastards come in alllllllllll colors.

It's quite sad to have to explain this to an adult in 2005.

Bridgette
08-19-2005, 02:38 AM
*sigh*

I knew this thread wasn't going to go well...

naughtynaomi
08-19-2005, 02:57 AM
I think that the wording for the topic for this discussion is unfortunate, as it makes it seem as if it's about Latin customers in general, when I believe (and I could be wrong) that she meant non-English speaking customers. I agree that cheap, grabby, bitey, licky customers come in all shapes and forms, but this thread is different than one titled "black/african" or "white/caucasian" because in many places it seems that most of the customer base is quickly becoming latino. Therefore, it only stands to reason that to some people it would seem that more of the latin customers are the nasty ones...because there are simply more latin customers. If there were more white guys than mexican ones in the clubs, then this whole thread would be about "eww those nasty, cheap white guys."

MinahSky
08-19-2005, 03:35 AM
The point is that certain people here seem not to get that it's not about ONE group of men that act this way. ALL men act this way, regardless of outer appearance. I can understand that if in their particular club one group appears to behave the same constantly that they dont' like dealing with them. If they went to another club or area, there would most likely be another group of men pissing them off.

YEA is correct that it's a shame that anyone would have to have this explained to them. I'm not going to respond to it anymore because frankly, it makes me ill...

Sinn
08-19-2005, 10:11 AM
Sinn, is this acceptable to you because its Mexican/Spanish?? Would you still have posted this if your problem was with blacks, whites, or how about muslims or jewish???

I know, i know. The issue isnt really about race; itsa bout how groups of men can become more unfriendly because they come in as groups. When they are within a group, it explodes thier ego and it makes them act like more than they would if they came in the club individually. I suppose this is true for many men that come in the club as a group. Thier behaviour is magnified because they want to show off or brag to thier friends. What would really ease the situation is good bouncers that do thier job and a DJ that gets on the Mic and says the rules of the club once in a while. The club is a fraid to do this because it would cut off thier beer sales.
If people have a hard time facing an issue like this, then this is something that NEEDS to be addressed. I am not racist by nature; i tend to see the potental in all customers who come to the club.
So enough with the problem; how bout a solution. Il just ignore them, no matter how much money I loose. (and YES ill do that to any person any race who i do not want to dance for!!) $$ is not worth my personal happiness in the end.

Foxey
08-19-2005, 12:15 PM
Damn there are a lot of bleeding hearts on this forum. I hate people who scream STEROTYPE every chance they get. Go hug a tree.

krchab99 I agree 110% with everything you posted

As for my experience I have definately found that non english speaking customers behave the worst. The few times I've had to call for help from a bouncer have ONLY been with non english speaking customers. That isn't racism, that's a fact. Dancing in Vancouver BC my worst customers have been Indians (from India) and asians. The Indian customers I have had the majority of the time are the worst behaved for grabbing, biting, attempted fingering etc. Asian customers have been the same. They simpley have NO respect what so ever for women. They do not consider women equal. Tell me I'm wrong? Granted there are white guys like that too but there are a lot more Indians and Asians like that than white guys. Just because your culture has different ideas and values does it make abusive behaviour acceptable? fuck that! When I have danced in the us I have definately had the problems everyone mentions with mexicans as well. I will still approach any race for a lap dance, I just won't put up with bullshit, from anyone.

TigersMilk
08-19-2005, 12:37 PM
Ive been across the border to TJ with some friends and thought it was fun to go into a SC there. Omg it was nasty! All the girls were ugly and the one girl who had a great face and bod had bad boobs. Im hoping it was just that one. Anyways, I buy my friend a dance (it was his bday wknd) and it was performed along the wall. I saw him touching her on the boobs and such. She was totally cool with it too. Maybe it was b/c hes really hot himself LOL.

The overall vibe I got from the place was dirty and low lifey. Definitely not like american SCs at all. Every girl that was there said "wanna dance" while walking around the room to each customer until one took her up on her offer. Like one big circle of dancers. So, now I can see what hispanic customers see and think what they can do or say to american SCs.

In my experience, for every girl who has hispanic customer they should know at least some spanish or try. If you speak their language you can weed out if they are BSing you with the "I dont speak english" line to make you go away or just to BS you. When I was in anaheim this summer I learned a tiny bit and it helped get a few more dances here and there. When I spoke to them like normal human beings in Spanish (the little I knew) they got dances. It helped alot to speak to them in their way.

When I didnt know any Spanish I know how it was being passed around or the popular "I dont speak english" line. *rolls eyes*. Explaining how the rules work and how this SC runs then they can understand they cant touch you and so on. Its alot better than having to dance for someone who thinks its ok to grab and lick every chance they get. Its still rude but thats what they may be used to...they still need to know the rules though regardless of english profiencey.

I would like to learn more Spanish just for work so I can see which customer is really there to have fun or not. Like every race there are going to be the cheapos, lickers and grabbers but its a matter of communication to make sure they know how to have a good time respectfully

Susan- those are great phrases! Thanks!

Bridgette
08-19-2005, 03:48 PM
Bleeding hearts. OMG ::)
My heart doesn't bleed for any customer. Ever. I simply know the value of being able to deal with customers of all types, and I profit because of it. We could all benefit from this type of reminder occasionally. Other businesses have learned that being able to deal with Latinos helps their bottom line. Same goes for us.

However, I do get a tad annoyed when people try to make excuses for what is really just plain old racism and/or stereotyping. I might be biased toward or against certain types of customers, but I don't try to call it anything else.


When I spoke to them like normal human beings in Spanish (the little I knew) they got dances. It helped alot to speak to them in their way.
This is exactly what I've been trying to get across here. Don't label them as troublemakers before you give them a decent chance. Treating them with the same consideration you would others goes a long way. This goes for any nationality or ethnicity.

If you encounter a young white guy who obviously doesn't know the rules, do you first try to explain or just call him an asshole and walk away, and then start ignoring all young white guys? I doubt it. At least I hope not, it's bad business.

Most foreigners are used to different practices in "strip clubs" where they come from, and most generally settle into the flow once they know how things work in North America. One thing about people that's universal: they always want to fit in ;)

goldengrl69
08-19-2005, 04:44 PM
At my club saturdays is the days we see most Hispanics. I choose not to work that night at this "SPECIFIC" club. I dont consider myself a racist....I just dont feel like bargaining my dances for 1/2 price all night. The Hispanic clubs in the area have cheaper dance prices than my club so I guess theyre just tryin to get what theyre used to.Plus in my own experiances (on the west coast or south) they always ask to "COJER" sp?? thats spanish for sex.