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mollyzmoon
09-04-2005, 10:10 AM
I dunno, I find that sometimes persistence will work for you when trying for a job, even this kind of job. So far they have seemed to be throwing you loops, but they also haven't given you an out and out "no". I wouldn't give up until they do, or you get the job. Being determined will sometimes open doors for you that would not otherwise budge. That said, try to keep your options open. Maybe the smaller, outer city clubs mentioned before?

Crissychan
09-04-2005, 11:22 AM
Have you thought about trying cocktail waitressing so that you can get your foot in the door at a club and then when they need dancers you could try again. This would also give you a good exposur to the enviroment.

JadeLondon
09-04-2005, 10:20 PM
So Skybox: "We referred you to our sister club, Cowboys."

went and applied at Cowboys today, hiring manager wasnt there, floor manager interviewed and photographed me-was really nice. I'm supposed to call on Tuesday
Instead, I'm going to come in tomorrow and try to meet the hiring manager in person

then I guess on to other areas

::: sigh ::::

wtf
I know I'm fine. Every club I've been to the clientele have been absolutely crazy about me. Whats up with management???

Farrah_Holiday
09-04-2005, 11:23 PM
wtf
I know I'm fine. Every club I've been to the clientele have been absolutely crazy about me. Whats up with management???

Welcome to the world of dancing ::). Most managers don't have a clue. Its something you get used to.
Don't give up. I agree 100% w/ mollymoonz post. Stay focused on making your tuition $ .Don't get discouraged you'll find a club.;)

JadeLondon
09-05-2005, 03:01 PM
I hope you guys are right. I can't believe it's taking this long. It was probably around exactly this time last Monday when I suddenly decided I would become a stripper.

I thought I'd be dancing by Friday and earning big weekend bucks. :-[

I've only pretty much been in two south suburbs, so I guess I'll start looking into other areas if Cowboys doesnt come through. But I need to find something quick, because I won't have as much time to dance when school starts.

I'll be living in Hyde Park - southeast side of Chicago. I'm trying to find places that aren't more than an hour away. Any suggestions?

Polo Girl
09-05-2005, 10:43 PM
Heres a good link click on the Dancer Wealth one

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31151

Farrah_Holiday
09-06-2005, 09:54 AM
Give this link a try. http://www.stripclublist.com

ChgoSteve
09-06-2005, 10:44 AM
Jade

You sound like a smart attractive girl. I would not give up if a club turns you down. Just keep looking and do not settle for a hole in the wall. The west suburb clubs may work for you. They are probably an hour away from you in non rush hour. I have seen some girls at Diamonds that fit your description. They seem to do well for the times I have been there. Good luck. Keep us posted.

*auroralily*
09-06-2005, 11:14 AM
wtf
I know I'm fine. Every club I've been to the clientele have been absolutely crazy about me. Whats up with management???

A lot of clubs just simply put don't have thier shit together. That and a lot of them have impossibly high standards.

Just keep looking, this is the universe making sure you end up in the right place.

Good luck hun, you'll get a job.

TigersMilk
09-06-2005, 11:47 AM
Theres a place for every dancer and wannabe dancer. I guess the hiring practices of the Chicago area are way different from CA? Hopefully, if you get hired ..yay youre in then all you have to do is learn how to hustle - the other hard part. Otoh if you dont get hired (which doesnt seem likely) be prepared to have other money making ideas. Not getting hired doesnt mean youre a failure, or not this or not that...just means its not the right time is all.

Dont let people give you crap either. No one has time or wants to give time to people who are giving you the run around. Managers can be great or more often not great. They forget, loose your app, or are just clueless.

Izzy
09-06-2005, 07:32 PM
I think it's perfectly possible to get work as a dancer when you don't fit the mold of typical stripper, but you just have to have WAY thicker skin then a girl who does. You will deal with rejection twice as much as a girl who has the "stripper-look". I know this from personal experience. I'm 5'8" and when I first started dancing I weighed a little over 150lbs, I also have short hair and very fair skin. I know that I am attractive, but I don't have a look that has the sort of universal appeal that a lot of dancers have. One of my best friends (my best dancer friend), is 5'10", weighs about 130-135 lbs, has long, thick dark hair, dark tanned olive skin, a gorgeous curvy body, and big, fake DD breasts. She is GORGEOUS, and her look is one that appeals to almost all men, whereas my look appeals to only specific men. This is fine with me, I like the way I look, but in the time we've been dancing, she almost ALWAYS makes more money than me, and she gets rejected a lot less. We've gone to work at clubs together and they've accepted her and turned me down, or made it clear that the only reason I was allowed to work is because I was with her. I still make money, I still make VERY good money, and I don't let these issues get in the way of our friendship. But sometimes it can be very hard.

Now, in the past three months I've lost almost 20lbs from diet and excercise, and the amount of money I've made has significantly increased. I believe this isn't just because men prefer the way I look now, but more because I have so much more self-confidence and I feel great about my body. Which brings me back to the beginning, if you are confident and happy with the way you look, you will make money, just keep your chin up and set your own goals instead of comparing yourself to the other girls you work with.

Silky
09-06-2005, 07:59 PM
Well put Izzy, couldnt of said it better myself.

Alexus
09-06-2005, 10:52 PM
I just started back dancing on sunday I was afraid I was to big I am 5'7'' and 180-2 I lost weight just from that first shift I am down to 177 so thats motivating hehe but the guys LOVE chunky girls.. well old men.. I work where alot of drunk golfers come in

Phedre
09-07-2005, 10:26 AM
See, it's all about your own self confidence! A lot of girls were really rude to me when I started, they had this attitude like I was too big to be doing what they were and it actually helped me compete and hustle harder. The guys that really liked me were older gents that actually had money. It pissed a lot of girls off to see a "fat girl" make money off customers that they had worked way hard at hustling come around and literally scoop up the money they couldn't make. It made my skin thicker than it already was and gave me quite an edge over them because 1. I had the confidence & 2. the moves to back it up. Hard to fight with that!

JadeLondon
09-07-2005, 11:46 AM
OK
so Cowboys was closed on Monday, and yesterday the hiring manager wasnt there.
I'm going to try to catch him today.

In the meantime, I'm planning on auditioning at Scores in Melrose Park on Saturday and Crazy Horse (VIPs) on Sunday.

I have no idea how that's going to go, what to wear, what to do about music etc.

Can you guys give me some auditioning tips - I know, be confident, all that.

But once again, I don't want to spend money I don't have on an outfit, so what to do about that? And do I have to wear your signature stripper heels, or can I wear some heels of my own (about 4inchers) ?

Can I bring in my own music, or will they just throw on any song and tell me to dance to it?

Crissychan
09-07-2005, 11:54 AM
Call them and ask if you can bring your music and do you need dancer shoes to audition, also check and see if there are any panty requirments, where I work you have to wear special double layer thongs.

Phedre
09-07-2005, 11:57 AM
Go thru your music at home, find some music that makes you feel sexy, put your heels on and outfit and dance around. You want to feel comfy when you go audtition. No you don't have to spend big money before you make any. You just should be ready to play a part. You can make a cd of say 6-9 songs and give it to the dj and tell him he can play any of them. Once you make money then worry about some other shoes. Unless by chance you have a close friend that you can borrow some dancer shoes from. If so you MUST practice in them a bit or you will feel uncomfortable and risk falling.

jonniejasmine
09-07-2005, 12:03 PM
Wear a bikini bottom and easy to remove top; unless you are required to wear a dress then, look into your blouses..I'm sure you'll find something in these days fashions that can pass for a short skirt. As far as heels...Hmmm, when I started I wore heels ..I hated b/c I couldn't move the way I wanted, so I moved to my boots...cute but they were only about 2 and half inches but I felt sexy. I wore my boots religiously for about a month and then a dancer was getting rid of a bunch of her stuff and let me get like three outfits and a pair of boots for like 15.00... and I got used to them and moved on from there. It really is about how you feel. I was so aggravated one night after coming in repeatedly and doing "the hustle" and was only making 100.00 a night and so I decided to come in my bikini that was lowrise but it was a full bottom and my glow bracelets from my rave days and got up there and did my thing to "I see stars"...and ever since then I can still walk in there and the regulars know and love me. you'll get comfortable and a little daring and find things that work for you and only you and you'll see what we mean.

jonniejasmine
09-07-2005, 12:14 PM
oh I didn't clarify..thong.. and yes do find out what kind, I wasn't allowed to wear string or anything shear and i do mean anything, even if it was just a piece of lace over my "top-crack" seriously...the managers don't usually care too much but there will be girls who will let you know real quick. And yes whatever music makes you comfortable. I couldn't do the booty shake for a bit, but I could do some hard core floor work, and then the rest coems to you as your comfort level eases also.
I also enjoyed reading what the other girls were saying about weight. I have been procastinating on going back full time b/c I am not my pre-baby weight. I am really happy with my size and i miss being as toned as I was when I was dancing....ther eis no better work out..but the fact that I was 2 sizes smaller has been in the back of my mind...but I know lots of girls that are all sizes and looks that still go and have a great time and pay their rent so what am I worried for?...Thanks for the reminder, it gave me a boost!

JadeLondon
09-08-2005, 12:10 AM
So I went back to Cowboys tonight to speak to the hiring manager, Blue.

Before I even got in the club, a customer was trying to buy me a drink. I refused.

The security guard at the door asked me if I had spoken to Blue.
I said no, that I called earlier saying I would be coming in to discuss the possibility of me working there.

I went and sat in the VIP area to wait - the bouncer over there, Wesley, talked to me while I waited. He kept saying how gorgeous I was about every 45 seconds and that I was definitely hired, there's no way they couldnt hire me.

Then one of his other bouncer buddies came over to talk to me - "Youre a pretty girl," he said "You look like a superstar!"

A little uptight girl came to bring me an application, I said I had already applied that I just wanted to meet the hiring manager.

She asked my name and left again.

I waited another several minutes with Wesley fawning over me.

The same girl said came back saying that the 'personnel dept' had reviewed my application and that they are unable to hire me at this time.

I said "I wanted to speak to Blue"

She said "He is unavailable"

Wesley couldn't hear all this over the music and when I got up to leave he asked when I would start. His eyes nearly fell out of his head when I said they didn't hire me. Same routine with his buddy at the door.

I saw at least three of the dancers up close. Two were definitely bigger than me and one had the face of a horse.

I wish sooo badly I had a camera so I could post some pictures of myself, so you guys could understand my perplexity. As much as I proclaim and give anecdotal evidence of how good I look, you guys couldnt possibly believe me after having essentially been turned down at 4 clubs.

I know I'm supposed to 'be persistent' and 'keep at it' but I'm so disgusted with everything right now, I really don't think I can

and no, I don't want to 'drop a few pounds and try again later.' I would have dropped a few pounds while working. I definitely will anyway when school starts and I'm back to hitting the gym 4 days a week.

so fuck it

it was a nice thought

and it was nice chatting with all you lovely ladies

}:D

colleen
09-08-2005, 12:58 AM
Jade, I am so sorry this happened to you. All I can say is, I had the exact same experiene in some of the same places. You can see my pic in the avitar, and I think it is safe to say I am no dog! (See http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51336 for my tale of woe and dispair!)

I wound up just staying where I was, deciding to be happy being a 7 in a pond full of 5's, 6's and 7's, rather than struggling to be an 8 in an ocean full of 9's and 10's asa I woudl at the big clubs.

However, I am getting a little bit bored in my current pond and may go out auditionig again soon. If you want me to let you know what I find out, or if you want to go visit some clubs together ()or you want to come see my curent pond) PM me.

**hugs**

kitana
09-08-2005, 06:38 PM
In the meantime, I'm planning on auditioning at Scores in Melrose Park on Saturday and Crazy Horse (VIPs) on Sunday.

I don't mean to sound catty here, but I wouldn't even bother with Scores. They are EXTREMLY picky on who they hire. If they have the same standards as NYC in Chi-town, you won't get hired.

I'm not saying this to be a bitch, I'm just trying to save you some trouble.

That and house fees there are expensive, and you will have a dress code there. Not to mention the fact that most of the girls who work there are Vets, and are hustleing mofo's.

JadeLondon
09-08-2005, 07:59 PM
No offence taken, I assumed as much. I was only going to audition due to a friend's encouragement. I may do it anyway just for the experience. But it didn't really seem like my cup of tea anyway.

I have meeting with the hiring manager at Skybox tomorrow to discuss the reasons why I've been getting such bizarre treatment.

When trying to look up my application for reference while we were on the phone, "Hmm, that's weird, I can't even find your application..."

shady business

what am i getting myself into

Crissychan
09-08-2005, 08:46 PM
Welcome to the busniess honey.... it only gets shadier....

colleen
09-09-2005, 01:07 AM
I have meeting with the hiring manager at Skybox tomorrow to discuss the reasons why I've been getting such bizarre treatment.

When trying to look up my application for reference while we were on the phone, "Hmm, that's weird, I can't even find your application..."



The ditz who interviewed you probably lost it. Keep us posted!!

venusofwillendorf
09-09-2005, 03:10 AM
don't give up, honey, i'm sure you'll make it! obviously the guys like you. you just need to find a club that'll give you a chance. :)

JadeLondon
09-10-2005, 08:14 PM
So I went back to Skybox to get some answers from Mary, the hiring manager, on why -if the customers and staff obviously think I'm gorgeous- management won't hire me.

And you won't believe it, she just asked me to lift up my shirt so she could see my boobs and stomach, said there was absolutely nothing wrong with me, that I have a beautiful body and

I GOT HIRED

incredible

I start Thursday.
I spent about $65 bucks today on random stuff to get started:

1) Thong
2) Garter
3) Baby Wipes
4) Breath mints
5) 1 outfit

I already have:
* Shoes to start out with ( not standard dancer shoes, but she said my super high heels that I already own should be fine to start with before I start making money)
* 1 outfit
*Make up
*Perfume/Body Spray

Last thing, I need to get my hair done (I usually wear it curly/natural [Kelis look], but occasionally I get it blow-dried straight, she said I should try straight for the first few nights) which will run me between $35-50.

I really didn't want to spend so much money on getting started, but hopefully I'll make enough this first weekend to make up for it.

Oh my God

I was so indignant about not being hired, and now I'm hired and I'm scared shitless.
Now what?

naughtygrl24
09-10-2005, 08:24 PM
congratulations!!!!!!!:highfive:

chocolategirl6
09-10-2005, 08:34 PM
congrats!!!!

Amelia
09-10-2005, 08:50 PM
Good job. Don't worry about it, just do it. It'll be easier than you expected it to be.

runawaywaltz
09-10-2005, 10:03 PM
I've been hooked on this thread for the past few days. And after a long night, there is nothing better than to read about something good happening to someone who deserves it. Congrats. You seem like a beautiful woman with determination that I envy. I think you'll do great. ^_^

mollyzmoon
09-11-2005, 09:26 AM
Hooray! I knew you could do it. Life is all about timing, hence the benefit of tenacity as you called it. I've only been dancing a month, and I'm still new looking. I also still get butterflies driving to work, but once you're in there, it really is easier. Once you've been on stage the first time, it just gets more and more natural as you go. Like any job. And being new is not a hindrance to making money if you can use it to your advantage. The club regulars will love a pretty new face. Congrats Jade!

ksalerio
09-11-2005, 09:37 AM
congrats!! Dont forget to post on how your first night goes... good luck

Amethyst
09-11-2005, 09:53 AM
LOL - don't be nervous! Just get out there with the same confidence you had when you were applying and you'll do fabulous!! Good luck!!

iamlojay
09-11-2005, 10:50 AM
Congrats Jade!! I'm so so glad to hear that you got hired finally. You totally deserve it, and I can't wait to hear how your first night goes!

Crissychan
09-11-2005, 11:36 AM
You know I must say I'm impressed..... with your persiverance! I love it when women don't take no as an answer and keep pushing forward.... if you can handle the crap they have given you over getting hired and other BS then it shows your developing the thick skin it take to be successful in this busniess.... Good Luck and keep us updated.

Polo Girl
09-11-2005, 11:41 AM
WOW JADE!!!!!!!!! You are my inspiration.... I will definitely never give up on whatever it is I choose to do!!!!! The worst part is over, just remember that... Im SOOOO proud of you. They should permanently keep this thread FOR ALL NEWBIES !!!!!!!!!!!

xoxoxo

Polo Girl

NataliePDX
09-11-2005, 02:29 PM
Oh my goodness, your story is SO inspiring!!! Congrats!!!

tmlsuperspice
09-11-2005, 11:54 PM
YEAH!!
I AM SO HAPPY 4 U!!!
Please keep us updated!!!
U R an inspiration to me!!

Breeze
09-12-2005, 01:22 AM
Congrats girl, i wish u lots of luck. I'm sure u will do great and remember, just have a good time, and dont forget to keep your garter full. If it gets to low, move around to find someone who will keep it full.

Darcy Foxx
09-12-2005, 04:01 AM
a huge congratulations to you, your hard work has really paid off and i'm very happy for you! well done!

Phedre
09-12-2005, 09:42 AM
:highfive: Yaaaayyyy!
I love when good things happen to people who perserveer!
CONGRATS Jade!!!!!!!!!! :dance: :dance:

JadeLondon
09-12-2005, 09:46 AM
I tried on all of my outfits for my first weekend and did some practicing last night at my friends house... looking in the mirror I was like.... "My god, I look like a stripper !" I wanted to take some pictures to post for you guys, but didn't. I will soon.

Aaah, I'm so nervous.... after about 3-4 hours of dancing around in my heels at my friend's house, my feet were absolutely killing me. I'm not sure how I'm going to make it through a 7 hr shift!

But I'm VERY excited now

Thanks for everyone's support and I will definitely update on my first weekend!

JadeLondon
09-13-2005, 02:47 PM
So, I've told a couple of the people I work my day job with.

I work at a non-profit organization dedicated to eliminating the racial academic achievement gap.

Two of the girls I work with, who I also consider friends, want to come on Thursday for my first night.

They are pretty against me stripping, they think it's socially irresponsible because I'm supposed to be a role model, and they also think it's dangerous.

So they are coming... essentially to keep an eye on me and to check out the environment of the club.

I wouldnt mind friends coming if they were coming to enjoy themselves, but I know that they are not, and I'm afraid that the two of them there with their bright yellow 'Educate or Die' t-shirts on may make me nervous or uncomfortable.

I told them this, but they promised to 'behave' and not stage an intervention session with me or other strippers and said resolutely that they are coming.

What do you guys think about this??

Phedre
09-13-2005, 02:56 PM
I would politely ask them to not come. Say that since it's your first week, you need to be able to concentrate on making money as a dancer and not concentrating on how they are viewing your situation right now. Don't forget to include that you value their opinions (or some shit like that) but you need to 'stand on your own two feet' so to speak.
I just think they would create an uncomfortable environment for you and that isn't what you should be dealing with from your "friends" in your first week of work. I hope it works out for you!

hardkandee
09-13-2005, 02:59 PM
Tell them not to come.

You really don't need to deal with that on your first night there.

ChgoSteve
09-13-2005, 02:59 PM
I have to agree wth Phedre. You will be nervous enough let alone worrying about what your friends are thinking. But if they absolutely insist on coming, then have them stay out of your sight if possible.

hardkandee
09-13-2005, 03:03 PM
IBut if they absolutely insist on coming, then have them stay out of your sight if possible.

Or have the bouncer kick 'em out! }:D

mollyzmoon
09-13-2005, 06:11 PM
I agree, go it alone. It feels so very sink or swim (this is how I did it), but it gives you the independent business edge you will need. Any familiar faces will distract you, and you'll be nervous enough.

NataliePDX
09-13-2005, 09:27 PM
I agree. If you are uncomfortable about the idea of them being there, you have every right to politely ask them not to. Even if they promise to "behave", just persist and continue to tell them that you are not comfortable with the idea of them being there.