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SportsWriter2
09-05-2005, 07:00 PM
I'll be posting it in the "official" HG section created by Chili.

Post it wherever you want, Dawg. You know it's gonna end up as MW's HG2 OTC. :D

aggieed
09-05-2005, 09:32 PM
I'm only mean to you because you refuse to meet me in real life. I feel rejected. You've won. Really. {extends olive branch}

Hmmm...then I probably shouldn't mention that I've gone "semi-active" in Austin again recently and have been to P10 twice in the last three weeks...once on a Sunday night in mid-August and again last Monday afternoon. Both times I started my "adventures" (or actually non-adventures) at Joy, but got bored and went across the highway to see if anything was better over there. Still haven't really spent any money though even with running into a friend at P10 who introduced me to a couple of his gals (after having received a BJ from one of them)...just not my type these days...

....hot damn would I do just about anything for a blue-eyed raven-haired beauty right about now. :O

But I digress, and this thread has already been split out once...:P

evan_essence
09-06-2005, 10:24 AM
Oh this cross is killing me.Oh stop with the Messiah complex. Miss J was no Mary Magdalene. For that matter, Mary Magdalene was probably no Mary Magdalene in the Miss J sense. :P

-Ev

evan_essence
09-06-2005, 11:41 AM
First, the rates. I would think that a component of a prostitute's rate is a risk premium. Whatever screening method she uses, she doesn't have that great an ability to screen out johns who could be dangerous and abusive. Strippers who only "date" customers they've gotten to know pretty well over a decent period of time are in a much better position to protect themselves in this regard. I'd also imagine there's less of an "ick" factor in only selling sex to guys you know pretty well already and have a large hand in choosing, as opposed to complete strangers.I see two counterpoints to this. First, even if taken at face value, that element would apply equally to the customer experience. Less risk, less ick factor on purchasing a known vs. unknown. So that element should be, at most, a wash as a factor for price.

I'd go so far as to argue that it should increase the price because it should only be applied to the consumer experience. Seems to me your observation mixes up the service provider and consumer sides. If there's an ick/risk factor that's too high, the girl simply won't sell. The fact that she chooses to sell is the indicator that the ick/risk factor is within her tolerance levels. The provider shouldn't be offering a discount for consumer sex appeal. That may, in fact, be what's happening, but I'm saying this is flawed as a business model. A-1 Tires isn't going to offer me a discount on tire mounting because I look especially hot that day. (Don't think I haven't tried.) They either sell to me because they know they'll get paid, or don't sell because my check or credit is no good. They don't set prices by rating customers.


From the customer's prospective, look at the difference in what you have to go through beforehand in order to strike a deal. With a prostitute, you pick up the phone, give some info, make an appointment, and there you are. With the kind of strippers we're talking about, you establish a relationship over a period of weeks or even months, you spend money in the club, and then if you're lucky you get to "date" her -- at her convenience, not yours. Why wouldn't you fairly pay less to the stripper?First, the services the customer paid for previously were received as billed. The custy apparently thought they were worth what he paid for them at the time. Second, the amount of investment a customer made previously indicates to me how desirable the target is, which should raise the price, not lower it. It's like being on a waiting list for a hybrid vehicle. You don't pay less because you have to wait. The wait is a byproduct of demand being greater than supply.


The selectivity I referred to above also shows why I don't think these girls are completely deluded in denying they're prostitutes. Prostitutes can have varying degrees of selectivity, but the fact remains that their basic job is to fuck guys they don't know. They can't turn away that many potential johns, or else they're out a job. The kind of strippers we're talking about here, in contrast, will only "date" guys they affirmatively choose to .... I don't think these girls are completely on Mars if they don't think of themselves as full-scale prostitutes.Surprisingly, I think you have a point here in terms of describing behavior patterns. I'd extend that point to say most prostitutes are strict businesswomen. Strippers selling sex at a discount are not. Lucky for you guys.


I just think Evan and Jenny are being a bit unfair here.Well, that's a different thread entirely. Characterizing my interpersonal communications as a bit unfair would be the understatement of the year. 8)

-Ev

xdamage
09-06-2005, 11:46 AM
Many participants on both the buying and the selling side try and find ways to justify their actions in order to feel less like a "whore" or a "loser who has to pay for sex".


Agreed completely.



If some choose to use the amount charged for the act as an indicator of how severe the act may be that's their business. It's stupid logic but that works for some people.


Could be. I think customers at least can justify if they pay less that makes them less of a loser. Its possible the inverse thinking works for some too (If I accept less I'm less of a prostitute type of think).



The act of exchanging sex for money is prostitution as far as the dictionary is concerned. Legalities and moral implications aside that's what it is


Indeed, and yet many girls don't think of themselves as prostitutes but do engage in some types of sexual acts for money. Likewise many customers don't think of themselves as Johns because they get off with their clothes on (while getting a LD) or only get a HJ in a club. Exactly what is and isn't sex under that definition above is a big sliding scale, and both customers and providers draw their lines as they will.

Of course legal definitions are only interesting to lawyers and law enforcement. Real people draw their lines about what is and isn't prostitution, what is/isn't loser behavior using a lot of emotional criteria that doesn't necessarily make sense.

As an example of human behavior where sex is involved, Bill Clinton allowed things to only go so far with Monica Lewinsky and later after having been caught he played word games (re what is sex?) for as long as he could until he was forced to face and admit the facts. Not that such things dont happen all the time, but what's most interesting though is how someone very intelligent can go through very complex personal emotional decisions about how far they let cheating go without crossing a line that they define as "cheating for real" vs just dabbling in cheating. Such is the nature of humans and how they can self justify behavior that a part of them feels uncomfortable with (?maybe with the exception of the BPD types who tend to have simple all or nothing type of think? ;) ).

xdamage
09-06-2005, 01:15 PM
I'd extend that point to say most prostitutes are strict businesswomen. Strippers selling sex at a discount are not. Lucky for you guys.


Prostitutes don't necessarily start out as strict businesswomen, just like extra girls often don't start out that way, just like customers often don't start looking for extras or prostitutes. While life would be simple if we could divide everyone into simple bins, but people tend to weigh these things on their own rulers. The longer they engage in a behavior, the more desensitized and neutral/objective they tend to become. But for anyone that's used a prostitute, or an extras girl, or even a high contact stripper, there may well have been a time that was someone who wasnt so business like, and there was someone, or someones in their past that contributed slowly but surely to their desensitization. Those taking advantage of the strict business woman prostitute today are often benefiting because of someone or someones earlier who contributed to their de-sensitization back when they weren't so emotionless about it. And even the strict business man/woman may still have some deep seated (but well buried) not so business like emotions about their customers and/or him/herself.

I don't have any real problem with people that acknowledge conflicts of interest because it's normal. When I go to a stripper I don't care how much of a business woman she behaves as, no matter how much she appears to be enjoying it, I assume that at least some part of her loathes me touching her. Likewise any prostitute that has her head screwed on straight probably should realize that most Johns would rather be getting it for free and aren't happy about the fact that they are paying for it. Like I said, I don't really have any problems with these conflicts of interest. It's the people who keep trying to paint themselves as not having any conflicts that I wonder I about. Nobody lies to us as well as we do to ourselves.

yoda57us
09-07-2005, 05:19 AM
Of course legal definitions are only interesting to lawyers and law enforcement. Real people draw their lines about what is and isn't prostitution, what is/isn't loser behavior using a lot of emotional criteria that doesn't necessarily make sense.


I agree. I think a huge amount of the rationalization on both sides is strictly self-motivated and I don't see a problem with that. Pure denial is another story however. I think, on some level, both buyers and sellers have to be honest with themselves about what they are involved in and why. It's not so much what others may think of you, it's what you see when you look in the mirror that counts.

xdamage
09-07-2005, 06:38 AM
I agree. I think a huge amount of the rationalization on both sides is strictly self-motivated and I don't see a problem with that. Pure denial is another story however.I think, on some level, both buyers and sellers have to be honest with themselves about what they are involved in and why. It's not so much what others may think of you, it's what you see when you look in the mirror that counts.

Exactly.

KC Joe
09-07-2005, 07:41 PM
"I stand 6’3” tall and weight about 265."



Lose some weight you fat f***. Just kidding, but seriously, your fans (including me) would hate to have you suffering 10 years from now with adult onset diabetes or sleep apnea because of weight. Okay, time for me to mind my own f***** business.

mr_punk
09-08-2005, 09:30 PM
Okay - first thing. I am not a weasel. And I think that analogy is insulting to both strippers and weasels.you're absolutely correct. it was unfair of me to make such a comparison. so, i would like to extend a sincere and heartfelt apology to all weasels across the globe for any insult on my part. in the future, i think i'll use lawyers the next time i make such a comparison. i don't think anyone would have a problem with that not even Rath.

I think this is exactly what Evan means - and is certainly part of what I mean - when I say she is not too bright. Like - how delusional and stupid do you have to be if you don't see taking money for sex as... well, as taking money for sex? and you can enjoy it as much as you want, and power to you, but you can ALSO get the going market rate. It's just beyond silliness to accept LESS money with the rationale that it makes you less hookery. At least - you know. That's the way that I would do it (if I didn't have that thing about saliva).LOL...oh, i would guess she's about as delusional and stupid as the average PL. there are quite a number of posts along similar lines down here, upstairs or just read Gendai73 posts for the cliff's notes version...LOL. for example, in order to create a false sense of intimacy. sex workers sometimes tell their customers their "real name" or that he's "special" or even the rare "i love you" (which is creepy, BTW). anyway, one would think that such a obviously transparent tactic would set off some kind of alarm in the PL head. yet, some customers do believe it when they hear it. my point is that if cognitive dissonance qualified as a mental disorder or a sign of low intelligence. all of us would be in the loony bin or riding the short bus. BTW, notwithstanding your saliva phobia. i don't think have the ovaries to do it.

The selectivity I referred to above also shows why I don't think these girls are completely deluded in denying they're prostitutes. Prostitutes can have varying degrees of selectivity, but the fact remains that their basic job is to fuck guys they don't know. They can't turn away that many potential johns, or else they're out a job. The kind of strippers we're talking about here, in contrast, will only "date" guys they affirmatively choose to (for whatever reason -- I'm not supporting some customers' delusional posts here that it's all about their sexual magnetism).exactly, MW isn't complete stranger to this stripper. an escort might not have a problem fucking a 400 lb guy she finds physically repulsive. OTOH, it's most likely that a stripper won't even consider the idea no matter how much you paid her. how many times have we heard women in general say, "i have to like the guy in order to sleep with him.". well, strippers are no different. there has to be something there that makes her willing to make that leap other than just money. OTOH, escorts don't make that distinction. money is usually the main and only consideration for escorts.

Yeah, after all, it's not the offering of extras that hurts those who don't offer them in or out of the club, it's the price undercutting. Probably seemed obvious to everyone else, but I usually only think of the issue in terms of consistency in what's offered at a certain franchise, like the McDonalds menu being the same everywhere. Now I'm thinking, hell, it wouldn't hurt me any if another dancer offered HJ, BJ or FS at the same place I'm working, as long as she priced it proportionately when compared to a lower level of service. And really, OTC ought to cost a lot more than the LD area.while i understand your issue about price undercutting. frankly, even if you removed the issue of extras from the equation. strippers still wouldn't be consistent in terms of quality. customers are always going to pick dancers for a myriad of reasons and strippers will just find some other reason to fight with another stripper who she thinks is cutting into her money.

The girls I know who exchange heavy contact or sex for cheap are doing it because either A) they are too drunk to make good decisions or B) they believe this is the best they can do because they are not savvy neogotiators or it is all they have to offer.with respect to comment (A). well, it's no state secret around here that strippers are flaky and have poor work ethics and regarding comment (B). no customer or stripper can be a savvy neogotiator if they don't know the marketplace. the escort biz isn't the same marketplace as the stripping biz. you said it yourself when you stated:


I think they definitely have point though, in that a guy can't walk in and sample them for the price of a beer. I mean, he has to buy all the way the first time. This is one of the reasons they don't think we're bright.there is a lot more fluidity in the latter when compared to the former. if you think strippers should get market value instead of taking a less than fair offer. you should also keep in mind that a customer can just as easily get gouged by a stripper. so, the idea that a stripper will only seek to get market value as opposed to hustling a customer in blowing the POP index all to hell is absurd. on the flip side, the idea that a customer is obligated to pay a stripper market value as opposed to getting the best deal for himself is equally absurd. as you pointed out, unlike the escort biz, negotiation is part of the process in a sc. it's mostly due to the fact that customers try to get as much as they can for a dollar and strippers try to hustle the customer for as much as possible. the thing is that it really doesn't have to reach that pitch. but hey, never underestimate the greed of your fellow man or woman.

Surprisingly, I think you have a point here in terms of describing behavior patterns. I'd extend that point to say most prostitutes are strict businesswomen. Strippers selling sex at a discount are not. Lucky for you guyswhat do you expect from a bunch of amateurs? escorts aren't less flaky or smarter than strippers. however, they know their marketplace better than the average flaky stripper know hers.

Jenny
09-09-2005, 05:47 PM
you're absolutely correct. it was unfair of me to make such a comparison. so, i would like to extend a sincere and heartfelt apology to all weasels across the globe for any insult on my part. in the future, i think i'll use lawyers the next time i make such a comparison. i don't think anyone would have a problem with that not even Rath.
Um. Okay.... thank you? I don't know that I can accept an apology on behalf of weasels though.


LOL...oh, i would guess she's about as delusional and stupid as the average PL.
Maybe slightly more so.


for example, in order to create a false sense of intimacy. sex workers sometimes tell their customers their "real name" or that he's "special" or even the rare "i love you" (which is creepy, BTW). anyway, one would think that such a obviously transparent tactic would set off some kind of alarm in the PL head. yet, some customers do believe it when they hear it.
Okay this is not in my experience. I don't keep regulars - I assume it's either because I get tiresome and less charming as you get to know me, and then I'm just boring, or I give it all up too fast, and then I'm just boring (my last regular, who was a very weird guy, kept coming back to me for the sole reason that I was one of the few dancers that didn't care if he masturbated in the booth (through his pants - I told him I didn't want to see anything). I agree that it is creepy and weird; I further agree that the guys are stupid. However - a guy accepting a compliment at face value, even if it is baldly manipulative is still lacking the level of willful delusion that we are theorizing about here.


my point is that if cognitive dissonance qualified as a mental disorder or a sign of low intelligence. all of us would be in the loony bin or riding the short bus. Okay - there is cognitave dissonance and Cognitave Dissonance - okay, now I'm kidding. Seriously man - you cannot possibly think (and I really do seriously think this is impossible) that a girl who is prostituting herself for cheap, rationalizing that she is only half a prostitute for taking half the money can be viably compared to someone who is like "I don't like cheese. I like Blue Cheese, but that is different."



BTW, notwithstanding your saliva phobia. i don't think have the ovaries to do it,
What is this, like a dare? Do you half expect me to say "I'll show you who has ovaries" and run out and have cut rate sex? 'Cause, although I am thinking about it, I'm totally not gonna.

FBR
09-09-2005, 05:59 PM
What is this, like a dare? Do you half expect me to say "I'll show you who has ovaries" and run out and have cut rate sex? 'Cause, although I am thinking about it, I'm totally not gonna.

Getting someone to admit to thinking about it is half the battle (maybe more than half). As a casual reader of the ongoing Mr_P/Jenny verbal intercourse, it seems that the Punkster picked up some points by default based on Jenny's admisson. I still think that some day they will kiss, make up and produce a movie which will be offered for sale at a special discounted price to us Junkies ;D

FBR

Moneywise
09-09-2005, 06:59 PM
I still think that some day they will kiss, make up and produce a movie which will be offered for sale at a special discounted price to us Junkies ;D

FBR

This prospective movie has bestseller written all over it.

xdamage
09-09-2005, 07:18 PM
I've lost track of this thread. I'm going to go have a drink and plan my trip to Vegas in December.

SportsWriter2
09-09-2005, 07:46 PM
... in order to create a false sense of intimacy. sex workers sometimes tell their customers their "real name" or that he's "special" or even the rare "i love you" (which is creepy, BTW). anyway, one would think that such a obviously transparent tactic would set off some kind of alarm in the PL head. yet, some customers do believe it when they hear it. my point is that if cognitive dissonance qualified as a mental disorder or a sign of low intelligence. all of us would be in the loony bin or riding the short bus.

GFE false intimacy is the next wave. Strip clubs are the loony bins of the new millenium, and SUVs are the short buses.

evan_essence
09-10-2005, 10:33 AM
Just kidding, but seriously, your fans (including me) would hate to have you suffering 10 years from now with adult onset diabetes or sleep apnea because of weight.Excellent advice from a group that prides itself in its low risk exchange of bodily fluids. ::)

-Ev

Mastridonicus
09-10-2005, 11:53 AM
Evan: lol.

I hate women lately and havn't been able to get into the club to remove my drama filled cesspool of a life, so MW's extremes are reminder that mini-frazier has some nicer mornings to look forward too.

::Mast::

mr_punk
09-11-2005, 08:03 PM
Um. Okay.... thank you? I don't know that I can accept an apology on behalf of weasels though.you can't..the apology is strictly for the weasels. i really felt bad insulting them by comparing them to strippers and DJs.

Maybe slightly more so.really? why? anyway, i think it's about the same. in any case, i don't think they're necessarily delusional and stupid. i was being sarcastic. my point was to show that strippers are prone to the same follies as customer.

Okay this is not in my experience. I don't keep regulars - I assume it's either because I get tiresome and less charming as you get to know me, and then I'm just boring, or I give it all up too fast, and then I'm just boring (my last regular, who was a very weird guy, kept coming back to me for the sole reason that I was one of the few dancers that didn't care if he masturbated in the booth (through his pants - I told him I didn't want to see anything).well, every stripper simply can't or doesn't wish to keep regulars. perhaps they lack the temperament or patience to nuture the more needy and clingy PLs or perhaps they lack experience, the game or a certain moral base to keep regulars. for example, since you have this saliva phobia. i doubt you go around kissing customers. BTW, that's another way to create a false sense of intimacy.

I agree that it is creepy and weird; I further agree that the guys are stupid. However - a guy accepting a compliment at face value, even if it is baldly manipulative is still lacking the level of willful delusion that we are theorizing about here.why isn't the level of "willful delusion" the same? i mean, if a stripper kisses a customer and tells him that he's special. he believes her and yet all of the evidence that's staring him in the face (no HG, no phone number, etc) beyond that moment indicates otherwise. wouldn't you think it strange that he continues to splooge cash based solely on that moment? hell, a stripper doesn't even have to put forth that much effort. i'm sure you didn't do much of anything to cause that chump drive a million miles to see you, splooge cash and take you shopping. in the end, strippers don't play customers. customers play themselves. conversely, strippers can play themselves when it comes to customers.

Seriously man - you cannot possibly think (and I really do seriously think this is impossible) that a girl who is prostituting herself for cheap, rationalizing that she is only half a prostitute for taking half the money can be viably compared to someone who is like "I don't like cheese. I like Blue Cheese, but that is different."in the case of MW's stripper. why not? if a customer can play himself by splooging more cash. why can't a stripper play herself by taking less cash? people are a lot more nuanced than you think. why do you think she should somehow think more like prostitute rather than any other stripper who would be insulted being thought of as a prostitute? a stripper who is indifferent to a customer might not be insulted by the thought. OTOH, a stripper who "likes" a customer might be insulted by the thought. furthermore, if she considered herself a prostitute. MW wouldn't have had to perform even a fraction of the apple-polishing that he had to perform with this stripper. a prostitute doesn't need that type of hand-holding. OTOH, this stripper did need that type of hand-holding.

What is this, like a dare? Do you half expect me to say "I'll show you who has ovaries" and run out and have cut rate sex? 'Cause, although I am thinking about it, I'm totally not gonna.no, it's not a dare. let's just say that it's an intuition, a hunch, a feeling that you're talking out of your ass about what you would do if you didn't have this phobia. of course, i could be wrong, but i just think that grinding on some stranger's cock in a sc is completely different level than freeing some stranger's willy in a sc. so, unless you gave it up to mr. doggie coat shopper, feel free to charge as much as you like. i just don't think you can do it in the first place.

evan_essence
09-12-2005, 04:26 AM
... i just think that grinding on some stranger's cock in a sc is completely different level than freeing some stranger's willy in a sc.Wha..wha...what?? Bu.. bu.. but if there's that much of a difference, that means we can draw a distinction between the two. And if we can draw a distinction, we can say freeing willy is inappropriate in places not designated for it. And if we can say that, well, stripper complaints about extras have some validity.

Are you feverish? Let me feel your head. Not that head.

-Ev

Rath
09-12-2005, 09:44 AM
if a customer can play himself by splooging more cash. why can't a stripper play herself by taking less cash? people are a lot more nuanced than you think. why do you think she should somehow think more like prostitute rather than any other stripper who would be insulted being thought of as a prostitute? a stripper who is indifferent to a customer might not be insulted by the thought. OTOH, a stripper who "likes" a customer might be insulted by the thought.

I think this is the nub of it. (Especially the part I bolded.)

I've often thought that the reason Jenny seems so uncomprehending of the behavior and motivations of strippers like the ones we're discussing is that Jenny (for better or worse) (OK, for better) can't even conceive of "liking" a customer. (Ev, too, for that matter.)

aggieed
09-12-2005, 12:52 PM
I've often thought that the reason Jenny seems so uncomprehending of the behavior and motivations of strippers like the ones we're discussing is that Jenny (for better or worse) (OK, for better) can't even conceive of "liking" a customer. (Ev, too, for that matter.)

Nah, they just like to argue. ;)

Jenny
09-12-2005, 01:17 PM
Well. Yes, I do like to argue. And Rath - really. Have you ever read my posts? I have liked my customers. I like a lot of my customers. In fact, those customers I've really disliked - well, I don't tend to have them as customers. They don't like me either. How much can you really like girl who spends most of her time with you with one eyebrow at hairline height, leaning back, saying "What are you doing?" The only guys who are willing to put up with me are the ones I like, at least a little. I've dated customers. For free.

Rath
09-12-2005, 01:22 PM
OK. Sorry, then.

All Good Things
09-12-2005, 04:44 PM
The only guys who are willing to put up with me are the ones I like, at least a little. I've dated customers. For free.

I think you may be my new best friend.

Jenny
09-13-2005, 05:42 PM
Yeah, the "for free" sometimes makes all the difference, doesn't it?

evan_essence
09-14-2005, 07:25 AM
I've often thought that the reason Jenny seems so uncomprehending of the behavior and motivations of strippers like the ones we're discussing is that Jenny (for better or worse) (OK, for better) can't even conceive of "liking" a customer. (Ev, too, for that matter.)
Nah, they just like to argue. ;)Arguing, is that what this is? Silly me, I always get that confused with flirting. Ya know, boys, I'm just flattered to even be included in your little psychological analysis. I'm especially glad you were brave enough to quash any fears I'd bust your balls for it. And really, if you want to use the B word in the description of me, don't pull any punches. ;)

Now seriously, as to liking my customers, of course, I like the majority of my customers. How could I stand doing the job at all if I didn't? Most of them are actually quite, um, within the parameters of appropriate stripclub behavior. And of the few who aren't, many of them can be goaded into submission. Oh, that doesn't sound as if I like them, does it? No, now really seriously this time, dammit, I do like most of them, independent of what they spend. In spite of what you may have read about me here, I don't think there's any harm in guys having a good time and lusting after women in a setting that's designed for that. I like most of my customers in a casual socializing sort of way. But I compartmentalize them as customers. And I don't let customers penetrate my defenses (among other things). As a matter of fact, even my friends and loved ones know I'm a hard person to get close to. I'm very withdrawn and private, so much so that my girlfriend has told me there are times she might as well be trying to communicate with a boyfriend. Okay, now I've not been private enough.

-Ev

Moneywise
09-14-2005, 07:32 AM
even my friends and loved ones know I'm a hard person to get close to.

That sorta sounds like me. My friends tell me I should smile more often so as not to make anyone feel intimidated by me. Thus I try to keep a smile on my face as often as possible. I'm a luva not a fighta. 8)

Rath
09-14-2005, 11:18 AM
Yeah, the "for free" sometimes makes all the difference, doesn't it?

Well, yeah. It's the difference between liking a customer and "liking" a customer.

pet_rock
09-14-2005, 01:10 PM
Jesus, a lot of stuff gets posted in the Lounge! This was already on page 11!

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54349

The test on that page shows my ATF to be 'self-revealing' while I'm 'secretive!' We actually both agree that it hit each of us pretty closely from what we know about the other...Now I'd be curious to know if you, evan_essence and Moneywise, come out secretive or whatever else might indicate hard-to-get-to-know. (It was SO out of character when I posted my entire results! }:D )

Casual Observer
09-14-2005, 02:31 PM
Have you ever read my posts? I have liked my customers. I like a lot of my customers.

Most of us have read your posts. That's why Rath's question is valid and legitimate in the current context--it's not like your general disdain for customers (for wahtever reason) is a secret. Let's not get revisionist now...

Jenny
09-14-2005, 05:49 PM
Casual Observer - I have never said that I dislike all my customers. I have never said that I hold all my customers in disdain. Let's not get revisionist indeed. I actually don't even know where you guys get these ideas. I firmly believe that we don't owe anything to our customers (outside of what is contained withint the explicit contract); is that what you mean by disdain?

Moneywise
09-14-2005, 07:56 PM
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54349
Now I'd be curious to know if you, evan_essence and Moneywise, come out secretive or whatever else might indicate hard-to-get-to-know. )

My results:


Extraversion (http://similarminds.com/types/extraversion.html) |||||||||||| 43% Stability (http://similarminds.com/types/stabilty.html) |||||||||||||||||||| 83% Orderliness (http://similarminds.com/types/orderliness.html) |||||||||||||||||||| 86% Accommodation (http://similarminds.com/types/accommodation.html) |||||||||||| 43% Interdependence (http://similarminds.com/types/interdependence.html) |||||||||||||||| 63% Intellectual (http://similarminds.com/types/intellectual.html) |||||||||||| 43% Mystical (http://similarminds.com/types/mystical.html) |||||||||| 36% Artistic (http://similarminds.com/types/artistic.html) |||||||||| 36% Religious (http://similarminds.com/types/religious.html) |||||||||||| 43% Hedonism (http://similarminds.com/types/hedonism.html) |||||||||||||||| 63% Materialism (http://similarminds.com/types/materialism.html) |||||||||||| 43% Narcissism (http://similarminds.com/types/narcissism.html) |||||||||||||| 56% Adventurousness (http://similarminds.com/types/adventurousness.html) |||||||||||||||||||| 90% Work ethic (http://similarminds.com/types/workethic.html) |||||||||| 36% Self absorbed (http://similarminds.com/types/selfabsorbed.html) |||||| 30% Conflict seeking (http://similarminds.com/types/conflictseeking.html) |||||||||| 36% Need to dominate (http://similarminds.com/types/needtodominate.html) |||||||||||||| 56% Romantic (http://similarminds.com/types/romantic.html) |||||||||||||||||||| 90% Avoidant (http://similarminds.com/types/avoidant.html) |||||||||| 36% Anti-authority (http://similarminds.com/types/antiauthority.html) |||||| 30% Wealth (http://similarminds.com/types/wealth.html) |||||| 30% Dependency (http://similarminds.com/types/dependency.html) |||||||||||| 50% Change averse (http://similarminds.com/types/changeaverse.html) |||||||||||| 43% Cautiousness (http://similarminds.com/types/cautiousness.html) |||||||||||||||||| 76% Individuality (http://similarminds.com/types/individuality.html) |||||||||||| 43% Sexuality (http://similarminds.com/types/sexuality.html) |||||||||||||||||||| 90% Peter pan complex (http://similarminds.com/types/peterpancomplex.html) |||||||||||| 43% Physical security (http://similarminds.com/types/physicalsecurity.html) |||||||||||||||||||| 83% Physical fitness (http://similarminds.com/types/physicalfitness.html) |||||||||| 37% Histrionic (http://similarminds.com/types/histrionic.html) |||||||||||| 43% Paranoia (http://similarminds.com/types/paranoia.html) |||||||||||||||| 70% Vanity (http://similarminds.com/types/vanity.html) |||||| 30% Hypersensitivity (http://similarminds.com/types/hypersensitivity.html) |||||||||||| 43% Female cliche (http://similarminds.com/types/femalecliche.html) |||||| 30%
Stability results were high which suggests you are very relaxed, calm, secure, and optimistic..

Orderliness results were very high which suggests you are overly organized, reliable, neat, and hard working at the expense too often of flexibility, efficiency, spontaneity, and fun.

Extraversion results were moderately low which suggests you are reclusive, quiet, unassertive, and secretive.


trait snapshot:
clean, organized, regular, self reliant, tough, positive, high self control, very good at saving money }:D , dislikes chaos, resolute, realist, trusting, hard working, dislikes unpredictability, prefers a technical specialized career, not worrying, respects authority, enjoys leadership, finisher :D , normal, optimistic, controlling, prudent, modest, adventurous, does not like to be alone, intellectual, likes the unknown, very practical, high self esteem, assertive, perfectionist, busy, altruistic


That is so me it's scary. Good test. ;)

pet_rock
09-15-2005, 06:27 AM
Aw...see, hidden amongst the Hedonism 63%, Adventurousness 90% and Sexuality 90% is also ROMANTIC 90%! I absolutely so picked up on that in your story! }:D

But you come across as reclusive and secretive which would make you hard to get to know...

evan_essence
09-16-2005, 07:56 AM
Now I'd be curious to know if you, evan_essence and Moneywise, come out secretive or whatever else might indicate hard-to-get-to-know.With a few exceptions, my results came back so middle-of-the-road that you can tell very little from it. Now see, that's the ultimate in non-revealing. :)

Extraversion |||||||||||| 46%
Stability |||||||||||||| 53%
Orderliness |||||||||||||| 53%
Accommodation |||||||||||| 50%
Interdependence |||||||||||||||||| 76%
Intellectual |||||||||||||||| 70%
Mystical |||||||||||||||||| 76%
Artistic |||||||||||||||||| 76%
Religious |||||||||||||||| 70%
Hedonism |||||||||||||||| 63%
Materialism |||||||||||||| 56%
Narcissism |||||||||||| 50%
Adventurousness |||||||||||||||| 63%
Work ethic |||||||||||||||||||| 83%
Self absorbed |||||||||||||| 56%
Conflict seeking |||||||||||||||| 63%
Need to dominate |||||||||||| 50%
Romantic |||||||||||||||||| 76%
Avoidant |||||||||||| 43%
Anti-authority |||||||||||| 50%
Wealth |||||| 30%
Dependency |||||||||||| 50%
Change averse |||||||||||||| 56%
Cautiousness |||||||||||||| 56%
Individuality |||||||||||||| 56%
Sexuality |||||||||||||||||||| 83%
Peter pan complex |||||| 30%
Physical security |||||||||||||||||||| 83%
Physical fitness |||||||||||||||| 70%
Histrionic |||||||||| 36%
Paranoia |||||||||||| 43%
Vanity |||||||||||||||| 63%
Hypersensitivity |||||| 23%
Female cliche |||||||||||||||||||| 83%

Stability results were medium which suggests you are moderately relaxed, calm, secure, and optimistic.

Orderliness results were medium which suggests you are moderately organized, hard working, and reliable while still remaining flexible, efficient, and fun.

Extraversion results were medium which suggests you are moderately talkative, outgoing, sociable and interacting.

trait snapshot:
changeable, in the middle, suspicious, somewhat traditional, dislikes chaos, down to earth, group oriented, practical... you scored in the middle on the overall factors of this test.

-Ev

SportsWriter2
09-16-2005, 08:01 AM
Ev, I like your work ethic. :)

xdamage
09-16-2005, 05:40 PM
I read that as you are fairly sane, stable, and well balanced Ev. Good traits.

Jenny
09-18-2005, 06:56 AM
Okay - wow. My own little test results were remarkably unflattering compared with the ones I read here. I kind of feel like the computer just slapped me in the face in particularly disrespectful manner.

SportsWriter2
09-18-2005, 07:15 AM
Okay - wow. My own little test results were remarkably unflattering compared with the ones I read here. I kind of feel like the computer just slapped me in the face in particularly disrespectful manner.

Oh yeah, me, too. I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

evan_essence
09-18-2005, 07:28 AM
Ev, I like your work ethic. :)You're a funny boy. :P I bet you especially like it when combined with sexuality and female cliche, huh? Notice, however, the romantic. That sorta throws a monkey wrench in the pursuit of quick success, dunnit?


I read that as you are fairly sane, stable, and well balanced Ev. Good traits.Maybe.. well, probably more than I give myself credit for. But still, I couldn't help but feel that I answered some of the questions down the middle because I'm juggling in my mind whether to answer for the persona or the person. The persona's the extrovert around strangers; the private me is much more withdrawn around friends. On another note, I embellish myself as more mystical, but the real me is less so in actual practice. I think part of that test is measuring the me I front, not the me I am.

Oh, and one might wonder, WTF with religious and hedonism both so high. Um, well, in my mind, my "religion" embraces hedonism.

-Ev

Nicolina
09-18-2005, 01:52 PM
Okay - wow. My own little test results were remarkably unflattering compared with the ones I read here. I kind of feel like the computer just slapped me in the face in particularly disrespectful manner.

Yes. Mine included the words "weird," "strange" and "bizarre." And those were some of the nicer descriptors.:-\

xdamage
09-18-2005, 10:07 PM
Maybe.. well, probably more than I give myself credit for. But still, I couldn't help but feel that I answered some of the questions down the middle because I'm juggling in my mind whether to answer for the persona or the person.

I tend to think of that as a good thing. A good strong inner 3rd person to watch over yourself is (imho) a sign of someone who over the long run tends to be quite stable and those types tend to do well (even if they struggle with finding the "right" answer on those personality tests). Not sure if that made sense but there you go.

xdamage
09-18-2005, 10:24 PM
Okay - wow. My own little test results were remarkably unflattering compared with the ones I read here. I kind of feel like the computer just slapped me in the face in particularly disrespectful manner.

I haven't taken the test. I suspect it will end up describing me with words like "fucking asshole" and "useless piece of shit". Nothing I don't already know but I didn't buy my computer to have it, or some dweebs test, insult me.

Moneywise
09-19-2005, 01:06 AM
I haven't taken the test. I suspect it will end up describing me with words like "fucking asshole" and "useless piece of shit". Nothing I don't already know but I didn't buy my computer to have it, or some dweebs test, insult me.

:D L :D O :D L :D

FBR
09-19-2005, 03:33 PM
I prefer to be blissfully ignorant of my own shortcomings ;D

FBR

NVJosh
09-20-2005, 05:28 PM
Okay, I decided to do this, too...

Extraversion (http://similarminds.com/types/extraversion.html)||||||||||40%Stability (http://similarminds.com/types/stabilty.html)||||||||||||||60%Orderliness (http://similarminds.com/types/orderliness.html)||||||26%Accommodation (http://similarminds.com/types/accommodation.html)||||||||||||50%Interdependence (http://similarminds.com/types/interdependence.html)||||||||||||||||63%Intellectu al (http://similarminds.com/types/intellectual.html)||||||||||||||||||76%Mystical (http://similarminds.com/types/mystical.html)||||||||||||||56%Artistic (http://similarminds.com/types/artistic.html)||||||||||||||||70%Religious (http://similarminds.com/types/religious.html)||||||||||||50%Hedonism (http://similarminds.com/types/hedonism.html)||10%Materialism (http://similarminds.com/types/materialism.html)||||||||||||||||63%Narcissism (http://similarminds.com/types/narcissism.html)||||||||||||||||63%Adventurousness (http://similarminds.com/types/adventurousness.html)||||||||||||50%Work ethic (http://similarminds.com/types/workethic.html)||||||30%Self absorbed (http://similarminds.com/types/selfabsorbed.html)||||||||||||43%Conflict seeking (http://similarminds.com/types/conflictseeking.html)||||||||||||43%Need to dominate (http://similarminds.com/types/needtodominate.html)||||||||||||||56%Romantic (http://similarminds.com/types/romantic.html)||||||||||||||56%Avoidant (http://similarminds.com/types/avoidant.html)||||||||||||43%Anti-authority (http://similarminds.com/types/antiauthority.html)||||||||||||||||63%Wealth (http://similarminds.com/types/wealth.html)||||||30%Dependency (http://similarminds.com/types/dependency.html)||||||30%Change averse (http://similarminds.com/types/changeaverse.html)||||||||||36%Cautiousness (http://similarminds.com/types/cautiousness.html)||||||||||||||||63%Individuality (http://similarminds.com/types/individuality.html)||||||||||||50%Sexuality (http://similarminds.com/types/sexuality.html)||||||||||||||||63%Peter pan complex (http://similarminds.com/types/peterpancomplex.html)||||||||||||||56%Physical security (http://similarminds.com/types/physicalsecurity.html)||||||||||||||56%Physical fitness (http://similarminds.com/types/physicalfitness.html)||||17%Histrionic (http://similarminds.com/types/histrionic.html)||||||||||||43%Paranoia (http://similarminds.com/types/paranoia.html)||||||||||||50%Vanity (http://similarminds.com/types/vanity.html)||||||||||||43%Hypersensitivity (http://similarminds.com/types/hypersensitivity.html)||||||||||||||||70%Female cliche (http://similarminds.com/types/femalecliche.html)||||||30%

Is is a coincidence the Hedonism and Physcial Fitness are both low? Overall, I have few arguments with the results.

Moneywise
09-20-2005, 08:25 PM
You operate on a pretty even keel Josh. If Frazier wasn't bogarting my other senses 90% of the time mine might have been a bit more evened out too. Funny thing is, being a Libra, I am actually very level headed. (when i'm not walking into SCs with a pocket full of benjis) :umbrella:

Richard_Head
09-20-2005, 09:12 PM
Extraversion (http://similarminds.com/types/extraversion.html)||||20%Stability (http://similarminds.com/types/stabilty.html)||||||||||||||||||||83%Orderliness (http://similarminds.com/types/orderliness.html)||||||||||||||60%Accommodation (http://similarminds.com/types/accommodation.html)||||||||||||||||||||83%Interdep endence (http://similarminds.com/types/interdependence.html)||||||||||||||||||76%Intellec tual (http://similarminds.com/types/intellectual.html)||||||||||||43%Mystical (http://similarminds.com/types/mystical.html)||||||||||||43%Artistic (http://similarminds.com/types/artistic.html)||||||||||36%Religious (http://similarminds.com/types/religious.html)||||||||||||||||70%Hedonism (http://similarminds.com/types/hedonism.html)||||||||||36%Materialism (http://similarminds.com/types/materialism.html)||||||||||||||||70%Narcissism (http://similarminds.com/types/narcissism.html)||||||||||||50%Adventurousness (http://similarminds.com/types/adventurousness.html)||||||30%Work ethic (http://similarminds.com/types/workethic.html)||||||23%Self absorbed (http://similarminds.com/types/selfabsorbed.html)||||||||||36%Conflict seeking (http://similarminds.com/types/conflictseeking.html)||||||||||||43%Need to dominate (http://similarminds.com/types/needtodominate.html)||||16%Romantic (http://similarminds.com/types/romantic.html)||||||||||||43%Avoidant (http://similarminds.com/types/avoidant.html)||||||||||||50%Anti-authority (http://similarminds.com/types/antiauthority.html)||||||||||||43%Wealth (http://similarminds.com/types/wealth.html)||||||||||36%Dependency (http://similarminds.com/types/dependency.html)||||16%Change averse (http://similarminds.com/types/changeaverse.html)||||||||||||||56%Cautiousness (http://similarminds.com/types/cautiousness.html)||||||||||||||||63%Individuality (http://similarminds.com/types/individuality.html)||||||||||36%Sexuality (http://similarminds.com/types/sexuality.html)||||||||||||||||63%Peter pan complex (http://similarminds.com/types/peterpancomplex.html)||||||||||||50%Physical security (http://similarminds.com/types/physicalsecurity.html)||||||||||||||||70%Physical fitness (http://similarminds.com/types/physicalfitness.html)||||||24%Histrionic (http://similarminds.com/types/histrionic.html)||10%Paranoia (http://similarminds.com/types/paranoia.html)||||||||||||||56%Vanity (http://similarminds.com/types/vanity.html)||||||30%Hypersensitivity (http://similarminds.com/types/hypersensitivity.html)||||||||||36%Female cliche (http://similarminds.com/types/femalecliche.html)||||||23%
Stability results were high which suggests you are very relaxed, calm, secure, and optimistic..

Orderliness results were moderately high which suggests you are, at times, overly organized, reliable, neat, and hard working at the expense of flexibility, efficiency, spontaneity, and fun.

Extraversion results were low which suggests you are very reclusive, quiet, unassertive, and secretive.

NVJosh
09-21-2005, 11:35 AM
You operate on a pretty even keel Josh. If Frazier wasn't bogarting my other senses 90% of the time mine might have been a bit more evened out too. Funny thing is, being a Libra, I am actually very level headed. (when i'm not walking into SCs with a pocket full of benjis) :umbrella:

If I had taken this survey 10 years ago, the results would have been very different...Despite my Librosity, I was much more ruled by emotion then, especally anger and frustration and was, frankly, not a particularly nice person sometimes. I've done a lot of personal development work since then that has helped me achieve a lot of balance in my life and to not let extremes rule me as much.

Does that mean I'm boring now?