View Full Version : Too big honestly how many guys would buy dances from me?
NinaDaisy
09-12-2005, 08:09 AM
I saw the Playboy layout too. They are in the distinct minority.
NVJosh
09-12-2005, 09:21 AM
If a bigger than average girl wants to dance, that's her perogative. There are definitely guys who like big women. However, I'm not one of them so she's not going to get my money, and it will probably affect my opinion of the judgement of the management of the club where she's working and of the club itself. I'm lucky enough to live in a city where I have many, many SC choices, so its no big deal for me to walk if a given club doesn't have what I want (hence the $10 SC visits).
xdamage
09-12-2005, 11:09 AM
although, i'm not into that sort of thing myself. i agree in the sense that a lot of guys (including some of the guys in this thread) do say they value traits like personality. however, i'm not sure how much they're willing (if at all) to sacrifice in the looks department simply for the sake of personality.
For all the talk of "fantasy" being intrinsic to the SC experience, isn't a woman that doesn't look like your average Wal-Mart cashier part of the fantasy? Perhaps we ARE being mean, but she wanted our opinion. She got it. And that's just what it is, an opinion. It just happens that a lot of us seem to share it.
I think to some degree some of the guys are still being a bit PC here (maybe not intentionally as it can be difficult to face some of things about ourselves).
Let me try to be completely honest here. Most of us are pretty damn boring. Take away the sex appeal and what's left is that "personality" and quite frankly most of us have lame/boring/typical personalities. From what I have seen a walmart sales girl can be every bit as personality charming as the average stripper. They can ask questions about you, talk about themselves, party, have sex, go to school, etc.,
What most guys are really doing though is confusing that rush of emotions they feel when they are turned on sexually by a woman's looks with how they feel about her personality. Put another way, take away the biological "i want to fuck her" chemistry and they are bored with most women. Their interest in a strippers personality is often not because the strippers personality is so great, or special, it's that she's is hot, and you know what guys do when a woman is hot? All kinds of crap turns on in their brain because that's how we are, the sex drive is there and sex with a healthy, attractive looking woman is our biology and evolutionary drives at work.
Guys get interested in the personality of a hot looking girl because that's what (may) work to increase their chances of scoring.
Now that can and does change over time in a long term relationship. And there are in fact some women who's personalities I really like the hell out of. They are few, and rare, but then again I find most guys to be boring and so I guess you can think of it as equal. If they are interesting they are interesting. Actually there are a few women on this forums that have a lot of interesting personality traits that come through in their messages (even though I haven't seen them, and even though I don't always agree, I still think they have interesting personalities, enough so that I am interested in logging in and seeing what they have to say).
But, and here is the big but... I would not pay these women for lap dances if they weren't physically hot. Why should I? Since infact it is looks that turn me on, take away the looks and whats the point in paying for a grind that isn't that hot? Or that I could get for free from a woman that has to work a little harder for the physical attention from a man?
Point? Looks are not just optional to me in a strip club. They are required. Looks matter less in a long term relationship, but I am not paying $20 every 3 minutes in a long term relationship for the temporary permission to touch her. Personality of the stripper? Who cares. Probably she is boring. Probably I will confuse my being turned on sexually with her personality (take away the looks and I would just think she is another boring person). There is not enough time to really get to know anyway in a stripclub, and I am not immune to the confusing of being turned on with liking a woman's personality. I don't think personality matters all that much because I am not interested in an ATF, or to get to know a stripper just because she is a stripper. Maybe she has an interesting personality, but I'm not going to fork over $20 every 3 minutes to try and find out. I'm going to fork over $20 to touch and be touched by a hot looking woman. I can get the conversation with the average looking woman (some of which have good personalities) for free.
Having said all of that, there are some guys that are so starved for attention from women that a lesser looking stripper can still make money off these types. Some of these guys are uncomfortable around the hotter strippers because they can tell that the hotter strippers view them as scum. Put a walmart cashier in the clubs, one that will talk to them, and they will probably make some money. Those guys won't feel overly intimidated and who knows, maybe walmartress won't entirely look down on them.
doc-catfish
09-12-2005, 01:08 PM
Point? Looks are not just optional to me in a strip club. They are required. Looks matter less in a long term relationship, but I am not paying $20 every 3 minutes in a long term relationship for the temporary permission to touch her. Personality of the stripper? Who cares.
Perhaps "personality" isn't the optimal word we're looking for. (Maybe we could analyze it to death like we did "fantasy").
All I know from ten years of field experience is that there are things dancers can do, not particularly based on physicalities, that can make me want to spend my money on them (or not).
Just as a gal with an undersirable waist-to-hip ratio has a physical flaw, a gal walking around a club with golden pussy syndrome has a personality flaw. If I were ever in a situation where I were forced to choose between those two flaws, I'd just as soon leave. I didn't come to spend my money on a stuck up dancer anymore than I came to spend it on an ugly one.
As for looks being a "requirement", well I think that is true of all of us. Its just that some of us are more discriminating than others on what we will accept (you might remember Derek commenting on this). In my case, that threshold is based on what the local market has to offer. Around here, we're not exactly awash in 9's and 10's, so you settle for 7's and 8's because its the best of what is available. If I were in a larger city with better offerings (even if just on vacation), I'd probably tighten my standards accordingly.
xdamage
09-12-2005, 04:27 PM
All I know from ten years of field experience is that there are things dancers can do, not particularly based on physicalities, that can make me want to spend my money on them (or not).
Certainly, sex appeal is also actions as well as looks.
As for looks being a "requirement", well I think that is true of all of us. Its just that some of us are more discriminating than others on what we will accept
Thats exactly it with the exception of some really very lonely guys, and fetish guys, most are paying for a certain degree of good looks.
LilSweetVixen
09-13-2005, 01:17 AM
Nicer club does not equal nicer cash. I say go to a mixed club, blacks and Mexicans like the physical mix. Don't diet, it'll backfire if it even works. To lose weight, like everyone else does, exercise or get surgery. I'd pay for you like that if you can DANCE, that's the point, or else I'd just buy porn I can keep.
But then again I've never had to pay for a dance. My whole criteria (yeah it's the queer club for women, I'm not only the client I'm the player president) is that the girl looks good, has assets, and doesn't act shy or weird about girl on girl, nice theme's a plus.
As for the rest of this I don't think it's a guy/girl thing. I'm sure if a male stripper posted a pic we'd rip him to shreds before he got past the gate. Even if he looked perfect we'd be like "gaaay", "dicks too thick", "cheesy". I have a slight suspicion that there's something about posting pics for opinions that geers people's minds towards saying no. I think if the person is already unsure of themselves it makes people automatically assume there's something wrong with them. And then after that no one wants to imply that by saying yes there's something also wrong with THEM. I've never seen a what do you think of me pic male or female that didn't have a unananimous no. I don't see why people don't just take a hint from day to day experience and 'when in doubt work shit out'.
xdamage
09-13-2005, 08:30 AM
I have a slight suspicion that there's something about posting pics for opinions that geers people's minds towards saying no. I think if the person is already unsure of themselves it makes people automatically assume there's something wrong with them.
Maybe, but I think that statement feels fluffy (soft, and nice) to me, and doesn't jive with the observation that there are several dancers that have posted pics here that have put the guys into drool/fool mode.
The subject is "Too big honestly how many ..." so I think she knows that she is a heavier girl, and most of the guys responded no primarily because of the weight. Losing weight is tough, but its not impossible and there are a million worse challenges one might have to face in life. Much worse is to face the challenge of starving. I would say just get on it, for her health and her bottom line. She won't be the first or last person that has to struggle with extra weight.
A healthy appetite is a good genetic trait, particularly in conditions where food is scarce and hard to come by and requires a lot of physical motivation to grow and hunt it, but in our society those same healthy traits can turn against us if we don't limit our calorie intake. High calorie, carboydrate and fat rich foods are just too easy to come by in our society. Our appetites can be too much of a good thing if we don't place limits on our natural tendencies to eat as much as we can of high calorie foods. Most of us won't be living in ultra cold climates or low on food during some seasons of the year. We need to mentally will ourselves to lower our calorie intakes or the result is our bodies will store the unused calories as fat.
I agree exercise is important, more so if you build muscle because your body burns calories to maintain muscle mass, but I'd still recommend both exercise and diet to take it off and keep it off over the long run. It takes a lot of exercise or muscle mass to burn off a 250 calorie soda. It's usually easier to just cut out the calories then it is to try and take it all off with exercise.
Casual Observer
09-14-2005, 02:44 PM
Note: they already know they are big girls. That is why they are asking. It's not like they need that kind of categorization of why they are unattractive. A "no, your first instinct was right" will do if you are interested in being helpful. However I appreciate how inadequate it is if you are just waiting to pounce all over people.
Let me try this response as the Pinkies would do it for a fat/ugly chick:
Jenny, I like you. We all like you. But your latest rationalization here is total shit--of course, I mean that in the nicest and least offensive way possible. By drawing distinctions and delineations that don't exist, you're really attempting to legimitize the aforementioned lying, pandering and placating that does way more than sugar-coat the truth--it buries it under fabricated caveats, absurd disclaimers, ridiculous hypotheticals and feel-good pseudo-self-esteem boosters that dance around the elephant in the room.
But you go girl!
Jenny
09-14-2005, 05:42 PM
Okay - we can take for granted that I think the above characterization is false. But what in what way was it was either dishonest or unclear? I mean from your point of view. I actually find that to be pretty straightforward. And somewhat impolite. So you're constructing your reply trying to show how the pinkies are pandering and placating - well, I didn't find it to be either pandering or placating. Or nice. Or even accurate. And you have still failed to demonstrate that "You're pretty, but unlikely to be very successful, because you are a big girl" or "Your first instinct is right - you're not likely to be successful with the extra weight" is less honest or direct or helpful than "No. You have rolls of fat hanging off of you and disgusting cellulite." It's just that some people like to be mean.
And really - I said that you could tell girls the truth without being mean. In what way is that dancing around an elephant, or burying truth?
NVJosh
09-15-2005, 03:19 PM
When did ExtacyInDaytona last post to this thread, anyway?
FourWinns
09-16-2005, 05:10 PM
Hell Yes I'd buy at least one dance - and maybe many more - if you can get my attention and keep it. Please don't think you need a skinny frame to make money in a SC. For me 'IT' is more about dancer personality/conversation/grind than looks. You might need a certain look/body to make good money in SOME clubs but move to a different club if necessary. Different guys want different things.
ExtacyInDaytona
09-16-2005, 10:01 PM
Like I posted before i only put this up because i figured it would start an interesting thread! And that it did!! To ladies thank you for attempting to "stick up for and encorage me lol but really it is not nessacary. but really thanks
and to the guys who are very blunt and just type what they honestly think
i personally find nothing wrong with that but before you tell the women that they are sugar coating and running around the elephant lol maybe you should go to a club were there are bigger girls working and see how well some of us do
i think alot of you are under the impression that i am not already dancing which isnt so i have been for 2 years and make pretty good money at it (not that i couldnt do better if i was smaller) I really only posted this up just to hear other mens oppinions on here nothing more nothing less!Any how i will be posting up pics again as i loose weight which i am working on slowly but surely and see how the responces come back than
hopfully that thread will not become battle of the sexes lol:O
xdamage
09-17-2005, 08:22 AM
Any how i will be posting up pics again as i loose weight which i am working on slowly but surely and see how the responces come back than
Good luck
hopfully that thread will not become battle of the sexes lol:O
You could have started a thread about anything, it wouldn't have mattered, it would have turned into pinkies vs bluies. ;)
mr_punk
09-21-2005, 09:11 PM
Perhaps "personality" isn't the optimal word we're looking for. (Maybe we could analyze it to death like we did "fantasy").well, since we use the words "hustle" and "game" around here. how about..con man (or con woman if you prefer)? which is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person into believing that something false is real for financial gain.::)
All I know from ten years of field experience is that there are things dancers can do, not particularly based on physicalities, that can make me want to spend my money on them (or not).sure..which is why i think all this talk from strippers about being too "hot", "classy", "clean", etc to make money is nothing but complete DP. in my book, looks will get any stripper A DANCE, but anything beyond that point is totally dependent on the stripper's work ethic. how many times have guys around here walked into a sc with a tiproll and looking to spend it. yet, end up buying few if any dances? some strippers have that mindset that since they are "hot" or whatever, guys should just throw money at them. bzzzt...wrong answer, biatch. unless, she's stumbling across some of the biggest PLs in the universe. a stripper can't earn a customer's with that mindset. it just earns them a quick trip back to loserville (ie: the bar) hustling customers for drinks in order to get drunk and bitching at them about how they're not making any money.
Having said all of that, there are some guys that are so starved for attention from women that a lesser looking stripper can still make money off these types. Some of these guys are uncomfortable around the hotter strippers because they can tell that the hotter strippers view them as scum. Put a walmart cashier in the clubs, one that will talk to them, and they will probably make some money. Those guys won't feel overly intimidated and who knows, maybe walmartress won't entirely look down on them.i'm not entirely sure i would go along with that point. i don't see any customer buying pity dances from a stripper he isn't attracted to because they are imtimidated by another stripper's attractiveness. (although, they do get suckered into buying them over a stripper SOB story). however, i do agree that some guys are shy in their dealings with sex workers or are uncomfortable objectifying a stripper, but sc mitigate those feelings to a degree because the stripper who knows how to hustle are going to do most of the heavy lifting.
Tiff_7_17
09-21-2005, 11:29 PM
At risk of sounding like the pinkie I am, Daytona I have to admire you for having the guts to post a question relative to a topic most if not all women are sensitive about and taking the responses given, and just moving on.
I personally would have crumbled, <--not a girl with terribly thick skin with regards to body/body image.
SportsWriter2
09-22-2005, 04:11 AM
I personally would have crumbled, <--not a girl with terribly thick skin with regards to body/body image.
Some dancers with obvious problems are okay with themselves. Some dancers with the "nearly perfect look" have major anxieties about minor flaws. Why don't brains work correctly? :-\
evan_essence
09-23-2005, 09:35 AM
Let me try this response as the Pinkies would do it for a fat/ugly chick:
Jenny, I like you. We all like you. But your latest rationalization here is total shit--of course, I mean that in the nicest and least offensive way possible. By drawing distinctions and delineations that don't exist, you're really attempting to legimitize the aforementioned lying, pandering and placating that does way more than sugar-coat the truth--it buries it under fabricated caveats, absurd disclaimers, ridiculous hypotheticals and feel-good pseudo-self-esteem boosters that dance around the elephant in the room.
But you go girl!Eh, I don't think you reached the satirical level you set out to achieve. It doesn't mimic the tone of the originals closely enough, and well, you need to ratchet up the obfiscation of negative comments in a way that almost says the opposite of what you mean if read literally, but actually means precisely what you mean when taken for the sarcasm it is. If you know what I mean. My modification of what you wrote:
Jenny, of course, we all have different opinions of this and they're all worth expression. I don't happen to share yours even though many will, so don't let my view stop you from expressing yours because, in some quarters, yours will be perceived as having higher value than mine. Naturally there will be those who will always lambast you for, in their words, legitimizing lying, pandering and placating to a point beyond sugar-coating the truth in order to bury it under fabricated caveats, absurd disclaimers, ridiculous hypotheticals and feel-good pseudo-self-esteem boosters that dance around the elephant in the room. But those people are only looking at things through an experience similar to my own and not numerous divergent views. And even though I think there is some validity to my opinion, it's possible there is some amount of validity to the counterpoint of my view; therefore, who are either of us to judge the other?
-Ev
TJAndDani
09-23-2005, 09:39 AM
This thread is still alive?!
TJAndDani
09-23-2005, 10:57 AM
Kill it. Its no longer meaningful.
Casual Observer
09-23-2005, 01:03 PM
^ Why?
Because we've delved into the subject matter more than just a cursory exploration?
I thought this was the thick-skinned side of the site...
TJAndDani
09-23-2005, 01:17 PM
No its just gotten to the point of retardness.
NVJosh
09-23-2005, 05:24 PM
No its just gotten to the point of retardness.
Wouldn't that criteria shut down about 2/3 of the threads on SCJ?
TJAndDani
09-23-2005, 06:01 PM
LOL, let me moderate, the lounge would become half a page if they allowed me to do that.
/me dodges rhia's attack
rlams2000
10-05-2005, 06:37 AM
I would.
FL Dancer
10-17-2005, 10:10 PM
honestly though i make most my money off men who like boobs as i am usually the only girl in my club with big ones that arnt fake!!!
I don't doubt that for one minute. Based on your pics I think you have BEAUTIFUL breasts.
And you are much braver than I am , that is for sure. I could never post such candid shots of myself here on the blue side and I am not even 130 lbs ! I am way too sensitive.
I can just imagine a couple of the regs on this side ripping me to shreds and doing their best to make me cry just for shits n giggles.
Now would I buy a dance from you? Probably not as you are not my type. But if you put on a decent stage show I would tip a 5 spot for sure.
vegasbebe
10-26-2005, 04:16 AM
You guys, that was really mean. Did you really need to list everything that was wrong with this girl? Honestly, I know she asked, and I know she would probably make more money if she lost weight, but it wasn't like she had fat hanging out from all over the damn place or anything! I think she took that picture in the least flattering pose she could take, also. I've seen worse!! Y'all would pay to see her boobies, don't lie!!
SportsWriter2
10-26-2005, 07:19 AM
You guys, that was really mean.
This is how guys make up for all the times an SO has said, "Does this make me look fat?" and you have to say, "No, it's perfect" just to get out the door. :D
Casual Observer
10-26-2005, 03:39 PM
You guys, that was really mean. Did you really need to list everything that was wrong with this girl?
Most of us didn't list anything, we just simply stated that we wouldn't patronize her.
And no, I wouldn't pay to see her breasts. Why is that so tough to believe? Because most SCJs don't have breasts, and so we're happy to see anything resembling a breast?
This attitude is why the quality of dancers (or lack thereof) in clubs in recent years has been such a hot topic here.
doc-catfish
10-26-2005, 04:14 PM
You guys, that was really mean.
Mean would telling her that she looked fabulous, giving her false hope and throwing her to the wolves. She asked for honest responses and she got them. Besides, wouldn't it be better to find this out on a BBS than in a roomful of rude people?
The fact of the matter is, our opinions here weigh no more than anyone elses (see the 'fat girls' thread in ST). If Extasy can make money with the body that she has, then more power to her. But speaking for myself, I highly doubt that I would spend money on her. In fact, I'd be certain that I wouldn't were she to have co-workers who were more my type.
Jenny
10-27-2005, 11:37 AM
^^^
Throwing her to the wolves? What wolves? You guys are the wolves!
doc-catfish
10-27-2005, 12:55 PM
^^^
Throwing her to the wolves? What wolves? You guys are the wolves!
Oh, please Jennifer, the congregation over here is a litter of puddycats compared to some of the people I've seen in the clubs. But since you mentioned it...
Bad Warren Zevon parody warning (cue music):
I saw a strip club junkie with a tiproll in his hand
Walking to his favorite strip club in the rain
He was looking for his favorite extras girl
Going to get a handjob and DFK
Ahh........wooo! Strip Club Junkies
Ahh........wooo!
If you see some chic grinding him in the VIP
Better not hustle him
Little young lady got splooged on late last night
Strip Club junkies again
Ahh........wooo!
Sorry guys, it was all I could come up with on short notice. No animals were harmed in the making of this parody. May WZ rest in peace.
mr_punk
10-30-2005, 04:30 PM
You guys, that was really mean. Did you really need to list everything that was wrong with this girl?what was so mean about it? like you said, she did ask for honest opinions.
but it wasn't like she had fat hanging out from all over the damn place or anything!no, the tarp over her midsection hid it pretty well.
I think she took that picture in the least flattering pose she could take, also.Photoshop can only do so much.
Y'all would pay to see her boobies, don't lie!!LOL..three hundred pound women have boobies too. however, that doesn't mean customers will pay to see them.
And no, I wouldn't pay to see her breasts. Why is that so tough to believe? Because most SCJs don't have breasts, and so we're happy to see anything resembling a breast?to be fair(yeah,i know), customers do play a role in that belief. there are non-discriminatory type customers who go to sc.
Blade
11-05-2005, 04:08 PM
You guys, that was really mean.
No mean would be saying" I've seen elephants and cows that I would rather see naked than you."
I've seen worse!! Y'all would pay to see her boobies, don't lie!!I've seen worse too...Tons of fun for example, and no I WOULDN'T pay to see either of their tits..nor would I want to walk into a club and see it on stage.I like my women on the thick side, but I certainly don't go for the Santa Claus look.....
playstation
11-07-2005, 07:30 PM
um,sorry but no....
susie
11-18-2005, 09:10 PM
If you were the only larger girl, I would buy one(two if you danced good, but that would be all), as I don't care for twigs, however, do some yoga and core training, you don't want to waste what could be an awesome potential for yourself.
Angel1112
11-30-2005, 12:26 PM
Of course they will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Stop listening to other peoples negative comments and BELIVE in yourself!Know who you are and have confidence in all that you do and have faith!.... Have a good self image of your self and believe in you and all that you set your enegry,efforts,goals,thoughts,mind to...that you can do it!!!
See it as already happening and come to pass.
Think and be positive and positive things will follow... :)
ex-lurker
12-04-2005, 11:43 PM
I most certainly would. I have never liked microthin waifs and I think your build is totally hot. Don't let the body fascists get you down. Physically you've got a lot to offer and you sound like a sweetheart too.
silverandcold
12-11-2005, 04:16 AM
Exactly! :)
Classic
12-11-2005, 08:42 AM
I would buy a dance from you, would I buy a second one that depends on you. I dont like pushy girls. I like the ones who are friendly, sit and than ask for a dance.
infra-red
12-17-2005, 02:38 AM
Just got dinged in another thread in the Newbie forum on the Pink Side for essentially saying the same thing.
Does no one have the balls to call a spade a spade anymore?
Is that a racist statement?
kitana
12-28-2005, 01:11 PM
Well, I'l bite the bullet and be the "pinkie" that calls it like I see it in this case.
You are obese. Which means you are probably sitting at or around 35-40% body fat. That's WAY too fat to dance.
I would not buy a dance from you nor would I even tip you on stage. I have my own personal faults myself, but if I ever get over 25% body fat, I wouldn't even try to attempt to work.
Working as a dancer in a SC is not a right, it's a conditional privilage. You my dear should not be privilage.
Hell, where I work, I know of custys that would give you money just for you to keep your clothes on.
I know I am being mean. But trust me; this is a rude, mean, dirty business and you will only hear much worse.
With that said, good luck; you will totally need it!
blondhottie
01-13-2006, 08:58 PM
No, I wouldn't buy a dance from you as you are too heavy for my tastes, but I give you props for asking on here and for taking the answers well. I wouldn't have the balls to do it, LOL.
Kitana, you say that you wouldn't even attempt to dance if you had over 25% body fat, yet you posted on the pink side that you went in a SC in an attempt to get a job when you weighed over 170 pounds.
Also, body fat doesn't necessarily have to do with how big you are. You can be your ideal weight or even underweight and have a high body fat percentage. I know thin girls who have a high body fat percentage as a result of eating like crap.
dippidy dave
01-14-2006, 03:41 PM
not my type, even after a few beers & 10 shots.
i like tall thin girls with real tits or small petite girls
CaliGirl8300
02-02-2006, 05:36 AM
Awww honey I admire you for being so brave even being a dancer and have confidence...but buy dances from you probably no....I'd hit the gym with you though and we can workout together....You will make so much more money if you tighten all that extra flab up....:) Eat healthy and no more junk food too..
gabkamano
02-15-2006, 01:04 AM
well,i guess u dont know,what is really matter for the guys to get a lapdance from u.My advice is that as long as u confident and make them feel important and doesn't let them know,u just want money,and as long as they're believe that u want them,u go girl.but as soon,as u start crying about your problem(like rent,car payment....)u will scare them away.
cHRISTIAN~sTRIPPER
02-15-2006, 11:19 AM
Kitana, you say that you wouldn't even attempt to dance if you had over 25% body fat, yet you posted on the pink side that you went in a SC in an attempt to get a job when you weighed over 170 pounds.
Thats a funny thing isn't it blondcuttie?
My bestfriend is 160 pounds . while she was dancing, there was this stick thin dancer who took a huge liking to me........ and while my dear friend was on stage enjoying herself to the fullest !
the thin dancer looked up at her watching her stage set. and said, she is way to fat to be here.
later on i caught the thin dancer say, "this job erned me this body, i was bigger then your friend when i first started dancing,topping 170pounds" .
i dont understand what happens to girls, after they have danced awhile. and lost tons of weight. they suddenly start hating girls who are the very same thing that they used to be.
as if they were never out of shape a day in thier lives. ha
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FBR
I get angry wheh I see guys talk about how fat or ugly a dancer is, yet these same guys have wives and girlfriends who are a size 16, have a mans haircut, wear no makeup, never wear heels,and are a total turnoff.
I am sure most of you notice that thicker girls with pretty faces are "in". Booty and hips are in demand. This girl is a little heavy, but is pretty,and a lot of guys like a fuller, pretty woman. 38-27-40 is becoming as popular and sexy as 36-24-36 has historically been, right?
Why is it more guys don't invest in making their wives prettier buy going to the gym 3-4 days a week together, going shopping frequently together and helping her choose flattering, stylish clothes, encouraging her to go to Jenny Craig, have her nails done every 2 weeks, wear nice heels with her jeans, always wear makeup, and have a stylish hairstyle?
Many guys are sooo critical, yet they don't have 6 pack abs and aren't GQ dressers themselves.
If you are sleeping with the kind of woman you wouldn't patronize in a strip club, some inner soul searching is needed, isn't it?
Jenny
02-15-2006, 07:13 PM
Hmm. This is the first time I've heard this particular side advocated. Like men objectify women, particularly in strip clubs. To rectify this, they should do it to their girlfriends too? I'm sure that those women who dress the way you depict (Hi, by the way) have their reasons. They are good reasons - or at least, I think so.
I don't the key to female empowerment is for guys to dehumanize/objectify and be mean to their wives and girlfriends AS WELL as strippers.
GenWar
02-15-2006, 07:35 PM
If you are sleeping with the kind of woman you wouldn't patronize in a strip club, some inner soul searching is needed, isn't it?
I must disagree. Isn't this the other side of the coin from the argument that custys should NOT attend the club with sex on the brain or in the hope of garnishing extras?
I maintain (and I secretly think no one believes me) that it is possible to go to the club to look for something besides sex. I go for the fantasy. I go to have a beautiful woman talk to me and treat me like I would like a beautiful woman talk to me and treat me. Not like actual beautiful (or otherwise) women treat me in my daily life. For that, I have my DAILY LIFE.
If I am the kind of guy that goes to the gym 3-4 times a week, then logically, I would have a woman who did as well. I am not and so I spend my life with someone who doesn't. We have similar interests, similar desires and a compatability that makes us want to be together forever. I can trust her with my secrets and bare my soul. These are, for me, important things in a relationship. They are also, not coincedentally, on the short list of things NOT to seek in the strip club.
Why make my wife like a dancer when I can have my wife the way she is (the way I love her) and also have the dancers? And why, on earth, would I ever want to start to judge my wife in the context of a dancer? That is just scary. I guess, for me, it is just about compartmentalizing well enough that these lines don't blur.
Dancers are not and should not be substitutes for love, relationships, or sex. Isn't that a fundamental pink side argument?
-gen
P.S.
I am sure most of you notice that thicker girls with pretty faces are "in". Booty and hips are in demand. This girl is a little heavy, but is pretty,and a lot of guys like a fuller, pretty woman. 38-27-40 is becoming as popular and sexy as 36-24-36 has historically been, right?
I totally agree with this 100%. Sign me up. ;)
Katrine
02-15-2006, 10:08 PM
Pretty much every single poster in this thread is completely full of shit in their own unique creative way.