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xdamage
09-20-2005, 01:45 PM
Excellent point. I need to support tolerance for chubbies, because when they're terminated, my ABC girls will be next. :O

ABC = anorexic, bulemic, or on a cocaine diet

It seems to be a very popular look last time I was in Vegas. The extremely bone thin anorexic look. Personally I prefer women that don't like they are starving ;) but I also don't get the fetish for big rolls of flab that some guys get into. But who cares as long as everyone is happy and getting what they want (and again the stripper can deal with the health risks of self starvation or stuffing).

No regulation or stripclub guidelines are needed. Let the market (and strip club owners who are putting their own money at risk) decide what the customers want. The rest will leave the industry of their own choice if there is no market for their look.

evan_essence
09-21-2005, 08:24 AM
Odd, I never would think another DANCER could be hurt by having heavy girls in the club--the club ITSELF would be hurt...It has many times been expressed, not by me, that there is some traumatization or run-for-the-hills factor, in merely witnessing an "offensive" dancer working. As if it's impossible to ignore her in the same way as a customer would ignore a thinner girl he simply isn't attracted to. Or as if the customer is greatly inconvenienced and discomforted to have to avert his eyes from her stage show and sales pitch, and therefore will be less likely to come back. I'm not saying I buy this; I'm saying this argument seems to me to be prominent among those who argue there should be tighter standards, including the post that started this thread. Even though I think that argument is overblown and that the customers should just get over it, I still think there are some customers who think and act this way. How many and to what extent that has any impact on the club or the other dancers, I tend to believe not much but I confess I don't know. I'm certainly not worried about it.

-Ev

xdamage
09-21-2005, 08:52 AM
Or as if the customer is greatly inconvenienced and discomforted to have to avert his eyes from her stage show and sales pitch, and therefore will be less likely to come back.

I suppose if enough people are expressing that view then infact there are some people that feel so strongly about it that it would impact on how much they spend (or how often they return). But it does sound rather preposterous. As long as this hypothetical big chick can take no for an answer, or doesn't force me to watch her performance on stage, I don't care.

Maybe if the club was like 25% or more big rolly polly girls and I had a choice to go to a club that had a higher percentage (or maybe more important, a greater number of) women of the types I prefer I would at least consider going to the club that has more of what I am looking for.

merely_lurking
09-21-2005, 10:35 AM
I would rather see an otherwise attractive woman that is a little bit fat naked than a rail-thin woman with a horse face.

doc-catfish
09-21-2005, 11:26 AM
Men will be damned if they let a dancer that they could care less about ruin their time for even one second. They simply ignore her and keep to the originally scheduled program... :beer2: :boobies:
Exactamundo. :yes:

The only time fat dancers in a strip club have really bugged me was when I had no choice but to sit there and take in their performance, or have to endure them pestering me for drinks or dances.

If I'm getting a dance, or busy with a dancer at my table, or had another stage with a more attractive gal on it to look at, I simply paid no attention. And when said worse case scenario ever rears itself (which doesn't happen often), I know that I can always leave.

Richard_Head
09-21-2005, 04:32 PM
In the Phoenix metro area there are 50 or so clubs, I know this is a small sampling overall (compared to the whole U.S.), but is it really a coincidence that the clubs that attract the greatest amount of business in the Phoenix metro area are the clubs that limit the amount of heavy set girls? I don't think so. I'm not saying that they can't make money, I'm not saying that nobody likes that type (although can we at least agree that this type of person is in the minority?), what I'm saying is that IMO it can deter business and I don't see how some of you can't grasp that.

mr_punk
09-21-2005, 09:01 PM
Second, it makes for interesting discussion but it's difficult if not impossible to objectively measure how much financial "damage" an individual dancer outside the prevalent norms at a club is actually causing other dancers. Are customers really running for the hills, never to return? Or are they just grousing a bit about being "traumatized" but spending the same?no, they would only be temporarily blinded by obese (the kind of obese that makes a BMI scale quite superfluous) semi-nude water buffaloes. in the case of a stripper who simply doesn't quite meet his physical standard...

Men will be damned if they let a dancer that they could care less about ruin their time for even one second. They simply ignore her and keep to the originally scheduled program...MinahSky said it best.

yoda57us
09-22-2005, 05:10 AM
In the Phoenix metro area there are 50 or so clubs, I know this is a small sampling overall (compared to the whole U.S.), but is it really a coincidence that the clubs that attract the greatest amount of business in the Phoenix metro area are the clubs that limit the amount of heavy set girls? I don't think so.

Depends on the club....The busiest club in Providence every day and every night except Friday and Saturday is a dump that hires any woman who walks through the door. Now, it may be no small coincidence that this club is packed because many of the girls offer a variety of sex acts in the club's private booths, but this is a huge part of the eqaution when it comes to hiring practices.
Once management decides to hire less attractive women they are setting into motion a competitive dynamic in which these less attractive dancers will do what they have to do to keep up with the hotties. In many clubs this includes offering reduced prices on dances, contact beyond the club norm or sex. The club then gets a reputaion for being a jack shack and ALL of the girls are expected (at least by the pervs who flock through the doors) to be dirty. all of these things effect the ability of other ladies to earn.

As a customer I can usually ignore the girls I don't like and concentrate on the ones that I do like. Unfotunately, some of the uglies can get VERY pushy asking for dances and down-right obnoxious when you turn them down. If enough obnoxiuos dancers bug me long enough I leave the club and go somewhere else.

Casual Observer
09-22-2005, 06:43 AM
^ Amen,. Yoda.

When I see a disproportionate or disturbingly high number of fat/ugly girls in the club, all I can think is, "There goes the neighborhood..."

<S> Yoda

xdamage
09-22-2005, 07:38 AM
Once management decides to hire less attractive women they are setting into motion a competitive dynamic in which these less attractive dancers will do what they have to do to keep up with the hotties. In many clubs this includes offering reduced prices on dances, contact beyond the club norm or sex. The club then gets a reputaion for being a jack shack and ALL of the girls are expected (at least by the pervs who flock through the doors) to be dirty. all of these things effect the ability of other ladies to earn.


This made me think of:

http://www.dejavu.com/

"1000's of Beautiful Girls and 3 Ugly Ones (TM)"

Clubs can get away with some variety, even play it on a trademark, but sure, for the same reason Disneyland holds their employees to a certain like while they are on stage, stripclubs are entertainment. The look of the employees reflect on the club (not just weight, the whole appearance). If the majority of dancers look unappealing and there are other choices we will go elsewhere.



As a customer I can usually ignore the girls I don't like and concentrate on the ones that I do like. Unfotunately, some of the uglies can get VERY pushy asking for dances and down-right obnoxious when you turn them down. If enough obnoxiuos dancers bug me long enough I leave the club and go somewhere else.

True although the attractive ones can be somewhat pushy too, but it does seem they tend to be less so because they don't need to be. But last time I was in Vegas some of less attractive girls (not just fat) were so damn pushy I really just wanted to tell them to fuck off. One of the fatter dancers would not let up. She was following me around. I finally told her look, I'm looking for something else. She told me "well then fuck you". Can't say I cared so much about that but the relentless hustle drove me out of the club into another.

yoda57us
09-22-2005, 08:49 AM
True although the attractive ones can be somewhat pushy too, but it does seem they tend to be less so because they don't need to be. But last time I was in Vegas some of less attractive girls (not just fat) were so damn pushy I really just wanted to tell them to fuck off. One of the fatter dancers would not let up. She was following me around. I finally told her look, I'm looking for something else. She told me "well then fuck you". Can't say I cared so much about that but the relentless hustle drove me out of the club into another.

I had a whinny bitch call me an asshole a couple of years ago because I A: politely refused a dance offer and B: Politely refused her demand for an extorted tip as I sat at the bar 50' from the stage. For the next two hours she told every skank dancer who came near me not to bother -"He's an asshole" Cool, thanks for keeping the crack ho's away as I spent money on my favs....

McCain
10-04-2005, 03:17 PM
Weighing in with my not-so-humble thoughts on the matter:

1.) Am I fat at 5'6" and 150-155 lbs? Medically speaking, yes. Yet, oddly enough, I never had a lick of trouble making money while stripping. In fact, I found that my size was actually a plus when I began working at a club with a high percentage of ethnic customers.

2.) Yes, I *do* feel there should be some sort of limit... as I used to tell my friends, "One should need a license to carry a G-String." However, I honestly do feel that the cut-off point should probably be a bit father out than most others desire... why? Precisely *because* you can have chicks like myself who are somewhat plumper than usual, and watch them make money hand over fist. But when you start bringing in say... someone who is 5'1" and 150, and 5'6" and 200, then the club in general is likely to suffer.

3.) Can we say "eating disorder encouragement", anyone?

Disclaimer:
I'm chunky, not outstandingly beautiful, and an absolutely clumsy beast who has zero patience with men who want mileage. The fact that I made good money indicates that some percentage of the male population does, indeed, enjoy the company of a slightly more substantial girl.

That said... live and let live... to each their own... and all that rot...

~~McCain

Moneywise
10-05-2005, 12:54 AM
Give it up for the fat girls!

Ok!

http://home.mchsi.com/%7Endtjr/bigtasty.jpg

Mastridonicus
10-05-2005, 06:19 AM
"Not Beef"

doc-catfish
10-05-2005, 01:22 PM
MW, I think I saw that gal last night, (well, between the waist and knees anyway). Thank God they were showing the Miss Hooters International swimsuit pageant on the club television.
:O

Deni
10-05-2005, 01:38 PM
Eep! Wow...that's just...no...*attempts to wipe picture from mind*

MeganS
10-05-2005, 04:00 PM
Ok, I've been noticing a recurring opinion from the guys.. "I'll go elsewhere". I work at smaller clubs in central Wisconsin that employ anywhere from 3 to 6 girls for a week at a time. Now, I have witnessed guys leaving because of some of the girls I worked with for the week. Not just the stage, THE BAR. Now I know it has happened to any dancer before, coincidental you might say, maybe, if it wasn't becoming a regular occurance. Sorry, but one or two decent girls isn't going to hold a crowd. And yeah, it's not just weight, it's flaky ass annoying personalitys among other less than stellar qualities they exude. Certain girls just need to take their work elsewhere! (out of this business) Call me a bitch, whatever, I don't mind, but that's my two cents.

SportsWriter2
10-05-2005, 06:18 PM
Megan, I've been wondering if your new phat boobs match up well with your perfect ass. (Sorry, Jay, if that's slightly off the topic.) :)

Katrine
10-05-2005, 06:27 PM
Sorry, but one or two decent girls isn't going to hold a crowd. And yeah, it's not just weight, it's flaky ass annoying personalitys among other less than stellar qualities they exude. Certain girls just need to take their work elsewhere! (out of this business) Call me a bitch, whatever, I don't mind, but that's my two cents.

100% agreed Megan. There are always a couple of girls who act like anchors in the club. They are both unattractive and unpleasant. But they anchor down next to potential money, and sit around as long as possible, letting the guy buy them drinks and listen to their obnoxious banter. You can't get them up from the table, and if the guy starts to talk to me, the bitch has a fit and tries to make a scene. I've mastered subtley pulling the anchor off the custy, and saved his business, as the only thing they think they can do is leave. And NO, they can't ask the girl to take off because some guys are just huge pussies wrapped in a smelly, hairy endoskeleton.

These type of girls are worse than the extras girls. At least our extras girls keep their mouths shut and full of cock. They provide their service to their market. The anchors have almost no market, except the super needy bastards that don't want to actually spend a dime. Hell, if only the two stuck together. I deal with raincoaters MUCH better than McNeedyman.

MeganS
10-05-2005, 10:58 PM
Katrine, I think I love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Moneywise
10-06-2005, 04:16 AM
Katrine, I think I love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know the feeling!!! }:D

mr_punk
10-06-2005, 07:27 PM
I've mastered subtley pulling the anchor off the custy, and saved his business, as the only thing they think they can do is leave. And NO, they can't ask the girl to take off because some guys are just huge pussies wrapped in a smelly, hairy endoskeleton.sure, because whipped PLs would much rather have their soul and wallets sucked out by anchor rather than think he's somehow being impolite to a stripper by telling her to go away.

Katrine
10-06-2005, 09:09 PM
Hehe, I like your new sig line Punkotchka. I read that article as well. If my man was as rich as Russel Simmons, I'd probably have to beat down some hoes my self. Classy. ;)

Moneywise
10-07-2005, 03:35 AM
- Kimora missed 35 episodes and gave wild excuses — like being in extended mourning for her dead cat.

- Kimora called the other hosts — Jules Asner, Cynthia Garrett and Lynne Koplitz — "bitches and hos" and once berated a Teleprompter operator so badly that he quit on the spot. lol

- She stole props such as lamps and once made off with an entire rack of lamb from the lunch buffet table. Staff routinely had to be dispatched to the sticky-fingered star's dressing room in order to recover the pilfered booty.

- The statuesque former model also threatened to beat up an eight-month pregnant assistant, prompting weary producers to send the woman home to avert trouble. dayum

- But perhaps the lowest point came when she supposedly had donuts delivered to the set, then licked each and every one so nobody else could eat them. hot!

This has got to be the happiest mug shot I have ever seen.
http://www.nydailynews.com/ips_rich_content/411-simmons.JPG

When I was in Vegas back in February Russell and some sidekick walked right by my blackjack table. You see so many celebs in Vegas just chillin. I then went to another hotel and found Nelly on a BJ table with like 4 guys around him and another stationed across the aisle posted up in a sniper position.

Russell - 1 bodyguard that looked more like a buddy
Nelly - 5 bodyguards that looked like bodyguards

MeganS
10-08-2005, 02:29 AM
Katrine, you tell me when and where, and I'll be there!

Moneywise
10-08-2005, 08:02 AM
Katrine, you tell me when and where, and I'll be there!

Can I watch? }:D

sadbuttrue
10-09-2005, 08:20 PM
Sadbuttrue slaps MW with a huge trout for posting that pic!

>>>Sad<<<

sadbuttrue
10-09-2005, 08:51 PM
Also here is a link that I don't think was posted yet along with one of my own experiences:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?p=180117&highlight=fat#post180117

>>>Sad<<<

MeganS
10-20-2005, 01:02 AM
Now see, another reason I posted this topic of mine here is because, generally, whether you guys agree with me or not, you all take it with a grain of salt. I didn't want pinkies coming in here making a big (heehee, pun intended?) stink about the whole issue, about how everyone needs a place at the club. Everyone likes something different, yadda yadda. I'm sick of certain types of girls ruining MY business. If you read one of my prior posts, the clubs I work at, being so small, with limited number of girls, these girls do make a difference!!!! A BAD ONE! Hey, it's my experience, and I'm sticking to it!

MeganS
10-20-2005, 01:03 AM
Now let's all shut up, take a moment of silence, and admire my glistening ass in my avatar!

evan_essence
10-20-2005, 09:02 PM
Now see, another reason I posted this topic of mine here is because, generally, whether you guys agree with me or not, you all take it with a grain of salt. I didn't want pinkies coming in here making a big (heehee, pun intended?) stink about the whole issue, about how everyone needs a place at the club. Everyone likes something different, yadda yadda. I'm sick of certain types of girls ruining MY business. If you read one of my prior posts, the clubs I work at, being so small, with limited number of girls, these girls do make a difference!!!! A BAD ONE! Hey, it's my experience, and I'm sticking to it!Oh, you're definitely in the wrong forum here if you think many of these guys will support the contention that other dancers are hurting your money. We've been told time after time that this line of thinking is a baseless dancer complaint. Extras girls, fat girls, South American girls, Martian girls... if we weren't bitching about one thing, it'd be something else we'd be whining about.

-Ev

MeganS
10-21-2005, 02:56 AM
The only reason this thread was brought down to hurting my money was because pinkies got involved.

SportsWriter2
10-21-2005, 05:11 AM
This thread has made me think a lot, and here's my summary take.

In general, guys tend to be tolerant of fat they can ignore. When fat hastles guys, they tend to leave the club. Consider four cases:

1: ATF with no wait. I go to a small club and Megan comes right over, gives me a jump-up hug, and says, "He wanted dances, but I told him I love you." Life doesn't get any better than that. I don't care if a 600 pounder tipped over on the stage. Let the other guys man the righting winch. I won't even notice.

2: ATF with wait. I want only Megan but she doesn't want me enough to break away from a fucko. In that case, I need a good fluffer. Fat can't fluff me, and I'll eventually give up on Megan (and the club) if fat hastles me.

3: 2-4 available favorites. Megan's out sick so I go to a larger club. I don't even see most of the dancers, least of all the fatties. If I see 2-4 available dancers I really like/want, I go right to them and play for hours. :P

4. 5 or more available favorites. This can be too much of a good thing. Plus there's another hottie on stage I never even noticed. She comes over and says, "You like my friends. You get dances with them, but you don't even talk to me. Could you just try me once, please?" And you know she's gonna do even more than her cute slutty friends. You start explaining hard choices with "She likes me more than you do." Remember that; it works.

Does Megan have a real complaint? In her club, YES.

One more point: Suppose Megan got fat over time despite warnings that she might lose her job. Should the club put her only on slooow shifts, or should they fire her outright? I vote for outright, because she could totally kill slow shifts.

I used to go to a club with a free meatball lunch buffet. When a fatty disappeared, I'd tell the next fattest dancer her Ruebenesque friend had been ground into meatballs. I'd stick a fork in one and offer it just to hear her say, "Eeeeeewwww." Hey, whatever keeps them away.

threlayer
10-21-2005, 06:21 AM
One aspect of cattiness is to limit the extremes of appearance as well as of behavior. Doesn't make for a nice work environment, but I'm glad I am not privy to everything that goes on in clubs. I've already heard enough.

But I have to say that my work professional work environments weren't that much better in certain ways, just that the language was much cleaner.

evan_essence
10-22-2005, 07:43 AM
The only reason this thread was brought down to hurting my money was because pinkies got involved.Brought down? How is discussing whether or not something hurts your money "bringing down" the thread? Perhaps I'm not understanding what you mean by that terminology. The evolution of this discussion seems like a logical extension of asking what the customers like and what they won't tolerate. Granted, I'm making an assumption but it seemed reasonable to assume your general motivation for asking the original question was to gauge by the customer responses whether or not your perception that it hurts your money is correct. Then when you stated that perception specifically in a later post, it seemed reasonable to me to make an observation about the counterpoints that often arise when dancers complain in this forum about their competitors.

I am a little puzzled why I'm the one pointing this out. I would have thought some of the customers here would have chimed in with the response that dancers who complain about other dancers simply aren't working hard enough, and if they were giving the customers what they really desired, they wouldn't be whining about the other girls. And that some of those heavier girls ARE giving the customers EXACTLY what they want. If you see a customer leaving, grab him by the blueballs and offer him a cut-rate BJ! C'mon guys, do I have to take your positions for you? Or is this lack of consistency because you feel powerless to argue under the influence of Megan's avatar? If that's it, then forgive me for needling you; I understand completely. Good luck with that.

-Ev

SportsWriter2
10-22-2005, 08:09 AM
If you see a customer leaving, grab him by the blueballs and offer him a cut-rate BJ! C'mon guys, do I have to take your positions for you?

Ev, I've turned down lots of desperate cut-rate BJ offers. I look for multi-dimensional connections, and that's not one that counts. ::)

Jenny
10-22-2005, 08:43 AM
Well, gee Ev - I don't know. I did see one customer grabbed by the proverbial balls and offered a cut rate blowjob, last night, only to see him respond with: "no, I'm sorry. You're too fat. I want my cut rate blowjobs from supermodels. THIN supermodels."

xdamage
10-22-2005, 12:16 PM
The only reason this thread was brought down to hurting my money was because pinkies got involved.

I liked your honesty on this topic, although I assume you know as the rest of us that it's a big world and there is room for a lot of variety and tastes. Besides, for all of the crap we guys talk, a lot of us wouldn't have the nuts, looks, or mindset to succeed at it (ironic then isnt it how picky we are).

doc-catfish
10-22-2005, 01:48 PM
Ok, I've been noticing a recurring opinion from the guys.. "I'll go elsewhere". I work at smaller clubs in central Wisconsin that employ anywhere from 3 to 6 girls for a week at a time. Now, I have witnessed guys leaving because of some of the girls I worked with for the week. Not just the stage, THE BAR. Now I know it has happened to any dancer before, coincidental you might say, maybe, if it wasn't becoming a regular occurance.
Megan, I think the reason that most of us aren't all that outraged about this is the fact that we know that we have other options and don't have to deal with this like you do. We seldom if ever have had to leave a club like the one you describe because, well, we see a place like that or even get some credible second hand information about it, and never bother to show up in the first place. There are some "low end" clubs around here. Why go to them when I have semi-low end clubs available?

Now let's all shut up, take a moment of silence, and admire my glistening ass in my avatar!
Personally, I think your glistening ass deserves to dance at a better club. Is that cross country tour of yours ever going to be rescheduled?

mr_punk
10-24-2005, 11:46 PM
Oh, you're definitely in the wrong forum here if you think many of these guys will support the contention that other dancers are hurting your money. We've been told time after time that this line of thinking is a baseless dancer complaint. Extras girls, fat girls, South American girls, Martian girls... if we weren't bitching about one thing, it'd be something else we'd be whining about.oh, but their reasons not baseless. there are reasons behind the eyeball clawing with money being first and foremost. however, as you mentioned. this is the wrong forum for you ladies to have your little hair-pulling and eye-gouging fest. so, unless this is some kind of prelude before you two transform into 18 year old nubile, bisexual, gymnasts in schoolgirl outfits and jump into a kiddie pool full of olive oil. why don't you both put away the fingernails and take the stripper deathmatch to the dressing room.

One aspect of cattiness is to limit the extremes of appearance as well as of behavior. Doesn't make for a nice work environment, but I'm glad I am not privy to everything that goes on in clubs. I've already heard enough.i couldn't agree more. i know some guys are intrigued by what strippers do and/or by knowing all the drama or details. however, i'm hardly curious or impressed. frankly, if i had to work with them. those flaky biatches would drive me into the nuthouse within a week.

But I have to say that my work professional work environments weren't that much better in certain ways, just that the language was much cleaner.and i'm sure you don't unload on your clients as strippers tend to do.

evan_essence
10-25-2005, 05:42 AM
oh, but their reasons not baseless. there are reasons behind the eyeball clawing with money being first and foremost.Well, that's news to me. I thought you routinely challenged the contention that strippers who are too far outside a group "norm" or concensus cut into others' money.

however, as you mentioned. this is the wrong forum for you ladies to have your little hair-pulling and eye-gouging fest.Yeah, that's verbatim what I said, isn't it? More like a gross distortion of what I said. I said it's the wrong forum to get any sympathy for her complaint if past experience is any indicator.

so, unless this is some kind of prelude before you two transform into 18 year old nubile, bisexual, gymnasts in schoolgirl outfits and jump into a kiddie pool full of olive oil. why don't you both put away the fingernails and take the stripper deathmatch to the dressing room.Oh, stop. You're acting all jealous as if you've been displaced as my main nemesis. Relax, honey, I'm saving my sharpest nails for you. Can you say proctology-simulated extras?

-Ev

mr_punk
10-25-2005, 08:08 PM
Well, that's news to me. I thought you routinely challenged the contention that strippers who are too far outside a group "norm" or concensus cut into others' money.well, if you ladies want to argue with each other over money and pull hair plugs out of each other scalps on the basis of stripper groupthink....fine. i have no problem with it, but it's something you ladies should work out amongst yourselves in the dressing room or upstairs. however, i still do challenge the specious contention that the issue is based solely on the law and club rules. IMO, that argument is nothing more than a facade to cover up the fact that strippers are just as intolerant as the people who are intolerant of strippers.

Yeah, that's verbatim what I said, isn't it? More like a gross distortion of what I said. I said it's the wrong forum to get any sympathy for her complaint if past experience is any indicator.it's still the wrong forum for stripper deathmatches. it would be akin to a customer going upstairs and arguing about whether or not strippers are independent contractors or employees.

Oh, stop. You're acting all jealous as if you've been displaced as my main nemesis. Relax, honey, I'm saving my sharpest nails for you. Can you say proctology-simulated extras?okay..."proctology-simulated extras" and that finger better be well-lubed, missy.

evan_essence
10-26-2005, 04:54 AM
however, i still do challenge the specious contention that the issue is based solely on the law and club rules. IMO, that argument is nothing more than a facade to cover up the fact that strippers are just as intolerant as the people who are intolerant of strippers.Okay, I don't think I've ever hung my thong on the peg of law and club rules except in discussions about being arrested or fined. It's generally been my contention that the optimum range of stripper looks and deeds should be pegged to club norms (not rules), consistency of pricing and product, and targeted marketing. I contend yours is the specious argument designed to brush aside the merits of a business model that doesn't match your agenda.


it's still the wrong forum for stripper deathmatches. it would be akin to a customer going upstairs and arguing about whether or not strippers are independent contractors or employees.Stripper deathmatch? Where? My responses to Megan? Read them again. They're mainly aimed at a mindset represented by you, not her.

Also, you're sounding dangerously close to taking a position that you want the same editorial management in the basement, as you call it, as they allegedly practice upstairs. I thought that you practiced what you preached down here, that you thought it was the superior of the two styles of moderation, and that you had hopes that your style would catch on upstairs, not the other way around. I think it's wonderful there's a looser style here, yet I don't begrudge the tighter focus up there. If you all want to adopt a tighter focus here, hey, I wouldn't begrudge that either. If I realize the focus here is being tightened to what I heretofore thought most of you considered as cheerleading, I'll play by the consensus rather than be an "extras" girl.

Hmmm, kinda ironic that.


okay..."proctology-simulated extras" and that finger better be well-lubed, missy.Never say I'm not prepared. This is on order (http://www.lubery.com/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=2511&image=4). I was thinking it could be used in your baptism (http://www.broadway-church.org/Missions/England/2000/chisolm1/baptism2.jpg).

-Ev

Moneywise
10-26-2005, 05:45 AM
Also, you're sounding dangerously close to taking a position that you want the same editorial management in the basement, as you call it, as they allegedly practice upstairs. I thought that you practiced what you preached down here, that you thought it was the superior of the two styles of moderation, and that you had hopes that your style would catch on upstairs, not the other way around. I think it's wonderful there's a looser style here, yet I don't begrudge the tighter focus up there.

Funny... You said practically the same thing to me in the TR thread. ::) I didn't think it was appropriate to respond there since I do respect the reason for its existence. However, I will respond here.

Speaking for myself only, I don't visit the pink threads, for the most part due to the respect I have for that side and the fact that I probably wouldn't have much to add to them since it's mostly dedicated to dancers and the those who worship them as though their lives are filled with fantasy 24/7. Some of the stories I run across from individuals that have posted over truly tickle my insides. I contribute to the music mix over there because someone has to support the wonderful art of hip hop :P and that's just about it (for the most part).

My focus, and the things which I experience on a frequent basis, wouldn't be welcomed on the pink site. I came to that realization long ago. Rather than stir up mess, I bookmarked the blue site and pressed on. No disrespect to anyone or anything over there. It's my own personal preference which I believe the mods probably appreciate.

Now, the TR thread. Let's touch on that for a moment, if you don't mind, since you felt the need to take your line of discussion there. If you actually go back to page one you will find nothing but TRs shared between like individuals. Try reading page 1-40 and let me know if you find one instance of someone hopping into the thread and spewing their disgust for what most of us find routine. It's a thread where club patrons share their stories with each other and has traditionally been a very relaxed environment. If you happen to make a trip to a club on your day off and experience something you feel like sharing with a lovely dancer please do post it in the TR thread. I'm sure it would be welcomed with open arms. Otherwise, you aren't contributing anything there. (IMO)

It is, in essence, sort of like the "ladies only" thread over on the pink side. The difference is that the I couldn't possibly see locking down the TR thread. That just wouldn't make any sense. However, I respect the fact that the dancers need a place to discuss things amongst themselves without the interference of the occasional copepod. Understood and respected from yours truly.

The blue site, in general, is a more relaxed environment. I agree. Yet still, if you stray too far outside of the realm of good hearted discussion with a purpose I would expect our capable mods to slip you right back in line whether you're on the pink or blue side. Hell, I have had my hand slapped on more than one occasion on the blue site. It's all good.

The relaxed environment of the blue site doesn't necessarily mean it's a dumping ground for all that is not welcome on the pink site. If it were then I would imagine we wouldn't have moderators looking over our shoulders.


seacrest out ::)

evan_essence
10-27-2005, 07:52 AM
Funny... You said practically the same thing to me in the TR thread. ::)Actually, that was Jenny, but I know you boys think we were separated at birth.

I didn't think it was appropriate to respond there since I do respect the reason for its existence. However, I will respond here.Oh, good, you're at least willing to join me off topic somewhere.


Speaking for myself only, I don't visit the pink threads, for the most part due to the respect I have for that side ... Okay, you realize there's a health risk when you say that. If I had had a drink in my mouth, I could have drowned spewing it out my nose. Stop trying to choke me up.


Now, the TR thread. Let's touch on that for a moment, if you don't mind, since you felt the need to take your line of discussion there.Touch on it for just a moment? Shouldn't we at least grind on it for a song? Yuk, yuk. I shoulda gone into stand up instead of laps. :D


If you actually go back to page one you will find nothing but TRs shared between like individuals. Try reading page 1-40 and let me know if you find one instance of someone hopping into the thread and spewing their disgust for what most of us find routine.Okay now, you have to know that, with a challenge like that, I was going to immediately look at page 41. I'm sorry it took that many pages, and an elapsed time of 8 months, for anything interesting to be posted. But at least it was a guy who finally broke the ice.


It's a thread where club patrons share their stories with each other and has traditionally been a very relaxed environment. If you happen to make a trip to a club on your day off and experience something you feel like sharing with a lovely dancer please do post it in the TR thread. I'm sure it would be welcomed with open arms. Otherwise, you aren't contributing anything there. (IMO)Yeah, okay, fine. I won't stray into your den unless I'm dusting or admiring your trophies. I just know a woman's touch rearranging the furniture would be like a piece heaven brought to blue, but if you insist, I'll resist.

-Ev

SportsWriter2
10-27-2005, 10:27 AM
Yeah, okay, fine. I won't stray into your den unless I'm dusting or admiring your trophies.
Thanks for understanding. It's all about contunuity. You're still welcome to toss in a "Chili, you rock" whenever you can't resist.

Jenny
10-27-2005, 11:39 AM
Actually, that was Jenny, but I know you boys think we were separated at birth.
This is why, when you started posting, you filled a void in internet-based soul?

MeganS
10-27-2005, 07:12 PM
I didn't start this thread as a boo hoo I make no $$ because of fat girls. PINKIES turned it that way. If anything, most of these guys can contend to the fact that I'm easy going and have a humorous outlook. So, without further ado, I end my posts on this topic and let the ever-so-enlightened strippers keep spewing their shit.

Jenny
10-27-2005, 07:21 PM
Megan - you started this thread by saying that you don't like to look at fat girls, and encouraging the guys to say mean, bad things about them. If I may:

I'm generally the quiet girl who only posts a little bit here and there. Well, after the whole trend on pink about "industry standards", and ugly chicks, fat, gross, yadda yadda, I decided to come here and put in my two cents. (Well, cause I just love ya guys!!) I think there should be stricter regulations on who's allowed to get naked for money in public! There's shit I did not want to see naked in motion! I've been traumatized!! So all these bleeding hearts are going off on "everybody prefers something different", "give 'em a chance" horseshit.
Ok, I'm gonna get flamed by some pinkies reading this, and that's just fine and dandy. But I'm here to get opinions from the ones where it really counts: you guys! What kind of standards do you expect in a strip club? It's your goddamned hard earned money your spending, so let's hear it! I wanna know!

I suppose we could assume the post was MEANT to be funny - but I don't think "Fat girls hurt club money" is such a furlong from "What kind of standards do you expect in strip clubs? It's your hard-earned money" - you don't see a connection there? So you started a thread just to say mean things about some dancers, and others mistakenly thought that it might have a point other than that....and this is what we're complaining about?

MeganS
10-27-2005, 07:40 PM
Now where exactly did I encourage the mean comments? And yes, since it is their hard earned money and if they wanted to say, I lOVE FAT GIRLS!!! I would back down.