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MeganS
09-10-2005, 11:23 PM
Ok,

I'm generally the quiet girl who only posts a little bit here and there. Well, after the whole trend on pink about "industry standards", and ugly chicks, fat, gross, yadda yadda, I decided to come here and put in my two cents. (Well, cause I just love ya guys!!) I think there should be stricter regulations on who's allowed to get naked for money in public! There's shit I did not want to see naked in motion! I've been traumatized!! So all these bleeding hearts are going off on "everybody prefers something different", "give 'em a chance" horseshit.
Ok, I'm gonna get flamed by some pinkies reading this, and that's just fine and dandy. But I'm here to get opinions from the ones where it really counts: you guys! What kind of standards do you expect in a strip club? It's your goddamned hard earned money your spending, so let's hear it! I wanna know!
*& BTW, if you want to say, "well, my standards are Megan", I won't hold it against you!;) (tee hee!)

Deni
09-10-2005, 11:31 PM
This pinkie is pretty much in agreement with ya...some people's assets are better left at home...

maylith
09-11-2005, 12:40 AM
Some thoughts from a female custy....

There is things that happen in lieu of a system of standards. The real high end clubs won't even hire the types you don't want to see in motion. Even if they did, those would earn few tips when there are 20 Penthouse model types walking around. If they do start earning big bucks, its a given on how they are earning it. These types of strippers funnel down to the seedier clubs fairly quickly. The real danger to a strippers money potential is the hot girl who does extras in the high end clubs. When they get fired they do pull business to whatever club they go to next.

As for what I expect in a strip club, my tastes may vary from the guys here. I tend to frequent clean establishments where extras are non-existant or short-term till the stripper is fired. The majority of the clubs in my area are at least some contact (dancer initiated) at the stage which I do enjoy. Privates may offer more freedom in the contact and thats okay too. (Everywhere but the G-string is common). At the stage, dancers have the option not to dance for me if they are uncomfortable dancing for other women. Those I ask for privates, I make sure they are comfortable with it. I also frequent clubs that tend to have female customes and are couple friendly (since my partner is with me). At the clubs I attend, I don't think I've seen a woman who I didn't want to see dance. This may change however, because my partner and I have become aware of a club that does a 2 girl shower thing that we want to see, and its in one of the more seedier clubs. We'll check it out at some point, but I doubt we'll go there more than once.

NinaDaisy
09-11-2005, 01:06 AM
Yeah, everyone has different standards of beauty, but most people, not just men, agree that what's visually apealling usually consists of a symmetical face with a small nose and large-ish lips, meduim to large breasts, flat stomach and thin-ish but not emaciated hips and legs. Many people can fit within that but if you're outside of that mold, you're gonna have a hard time.

But it seems that nowadays more and more guys just care about mileage and not looks anyway. It's a bit sad, but sometimes the less attractive girls might make more just because the guys think they'll deliver, even if they don't.

SportsWriter2
09-11-2005, 03:04 AM
My standards are Megan. However, I don't mind friendly, slightly chubby dancers who don't bother me for dances. You know, the ones who come over, give me a hug, and say, "I know you like Megan. You want me to find her for you?" And if I say, "That's okay, she's almost ready," the chubby tells me what a cute ass Megan has. :)

I call these dancers "social support chubbies." One per shift in case John Goodman walks through the door. Or some fat contractor gets horny drunk and there aren't enough girls to go around. Beer goggles make anything look like "what I like." But then she comes to you next time and says, "You wanna have fun again" and you don't remember anything. That's why I don't drink much in clubs.

I do not want an "extras chubby" in the house. I don't want to wonder about the lapdance chairs. I don't want the smell of a chubby who sweated or got off. And no tats on the chubby, except maybe a little teddy bear on her ass.

I'd even tip a chubby five if she said, "Megan talks about you all the time in the dressing room." Dancers really should do cooperative SS. :)

Jenny
09-11-2005, 06:40 AM
Okay - based on what I've read on this board there are very few guys here who would pay me. So, my first reaction is "Fuck off! Don't tell me where I can work!" because the fact is, that there are enough guys who are either drunk or stupid or whatever who DO, and the fact that you may find me aesthetically unpleasing is, although somewhat saddening, not really as crucial an element to me as the money I get off the drunk guys. You know? Like ultimately, I prefer if everyone thought I was unbelievably hot and cute and wildly charming, but I can live it with it if they don't (as long as I meet my modest financial goal).

The difficulty with industry standards is that the business is ridiculous varied and has always been self-regulating. The problem is (as I stated on the pink side) that it is not regulating itself the way some of them like: like it turns out that a hefty number of customers don't want beautiful, charming girls who stimulate them intellectually before doing an artistic dance. They will take the skeeziest girl in the place if she doesn't mind if he ejaculates during the dance, or will give him a handjob. Or - because extras aren't really the point here - she will spend a lot of time with him before the dance or whatever. Or they like girls who are funny and entertaining, even if they are not the prettiest ones. Or (as was the case with one girl I knew a long time ago) they are really, really old, can't really get dances anymore and come in to find someone who will make them feel special and remembered, and really, you don't need a pretty girl for that (and when you are that old - I mean wheelchair old - you can hardly see anyway). So the glamour-pusses get very ticked off over this - because after all, they feel they have an inherent right to have the most business - and then want to regulate the busines in order to tell the customers what they can have (and that is them), and then try to tell all of us that it is what customers want. The fact is that there is demonstrably a place for fat girls or ugly girls in the business because they are in the business. When there is truly no place for them they will dissappear - they will quit, or move or starve to death.

Now - if we were to regulate the industry, how would we do that exactly? Obviously, it would be really inappropriate to have competitors regulating each other in this fashion. And club owners - if we are to believe the contention - have been doing a fucking terrible job. So we would get together an independent board who can study staff availability and consumer trends and then ... create a curve of desirable dancers... and then issue a lisence to the correct number of blondes, brunettes, a cups, c cups, funny, serious etc? With a guarantee that they will not significantly change their appearance over the lifetime of the license? Or maybe they can issue the licenses to clubs, according to localized trends and allow them to "hire" a certain number of combined variables... But, really this all seems like a lot of work, at least 5 years and you guys are going to have a bitch a time finding people who are willing to volunteer their time for this - because, after all, there is nobody to PAY them for it. And of course, there is the possibility that it still won't go the way you want it to - that the regulation will come out to favour fat girls who give handjobs and not the glamour-puss at all. So really, this is obviously, on its face, a stupid idea, based on nothing more than personal aesthetics, convenience and irritation at the upstart fat girls. So really, honey, it has nothing to do with bleeding hearts, or lack of realism - on the contrary, I think you girls are the ones who are obviously lacking the realism.

yoda57us
09-11-2005, 07:10 AM
The industry standard in my neck of the woods seems to be having enough in your garter to pay your house fee and tip-outs at the end of the night. 20 years ago some of the women I see naked on stage never would have made it past the application process in most strip clubs. Times are slow, the customer base has dwindled as has their dispossable income. Club owners and managers only care about how much money comes in. If they can't get it from the customers they will get it from the girls. One of the clubs I go to used to have 10-12 girls a night and they where all beautiful. Lately they are scheduling as many as 20, putting them on stage 2 at a time-meaning the girls make half as much for eacn stage show-and at least a third of the girls are new and overweight. Many of the prettier dancers have left this club as their income has dwindled. All the club cares about is that the have added 8 to 10 girls a shift who all pay $35 a shift to dance and buy drinks (or have them bought for them).

Mastridonicus
09-11-2005, 07:34 AM
I dunno... its like t.v. If I don't like what I see, I change the channel.

And I know it sounds rude, but I don't go INTO a strip club to settle on what I don't want.

I agree with sporty tho on this topic and therefor jenny. Its all in the mood I'm in.

Some peoples assets may be better left at home, but If they're in front of me, I have no problem telling them I'm not interested. It's just not my place I guess.



::Mast::

However, WHAT DOES SUCK, is when you're biting your toungue enough as it is, yet the same person is spouting the same nonsensical dribble any/everywhere. Don't give people false positives, beautiful faces/souls don't make it in this industry, It seems like we all tell a husky dancer she can make it, then she comes home with 4 dollars after tip out blaming herself.

doc-catfish
09-11-2005, 08:18 AM
I have to say that my perspective on this degradation of standards is going to be a bit different than some, because in most of the clubs I've been to, the standards were never really that high to begin with.

Top tier dancers don't exactly flock here to flyover country, and the ones who step into their stillettos here (you might remember Kobi), tend to fly to greener pastures first chance they get. At my home club, on the Tuesday night shift, there is not so much as one gal, my ATF included, that I'd rank above a 7.5. There are more than a few who'd be lucky to get a 4.5 out of me. In fact, I'd say based on looks, 60% of the gals there would not get a dance out of me, come hell or high water. Of the remaining 40%, I'd say half of those girls would be "on the bubble".

Truth be told, the two other local clubs have better looking stage rotations (albeit marginally better). So why do I continue to frequent the skank club? Because (aside from the fact that the ATF works there, and the dances are the cheapest in town), I go to enjoy that remaining 20%. Once I'm with the ATF or one of the other favs in the LD room, whomever is on stage is essentially meaningless. Three stages constantly running helps matters considerably as well.

Richard_Head
09-11-2005, 08:27 AM
Where does this assumption come from that really good looking dancers give half ass dances, have no conversational skills, and have over-inflated ego's? I honestly haven't run into too many dancers like that, thus this assumption that the fat girls are filling that need to me is a bunch of BS. One of my pet peeves is going to a club and being hassled non-stop by some fattie because no one else is buyng dances from her (there's a reason for that hunny). Personally I've seen much the same as Yoda, clubs have come to the realization that they can not only soak customers with insanely high cover charges and drink prices but also the dancers with their stage fees and are thus hiring practically anyone with a pulse and a willingness to give it a try.

Oh, and my standards are MeganS8)!

Susan Wayward
09-11-2005, 09:24 AM
Yeah, I don't think good looks are an impediment in a club, unless you think because you're good looking you can provide lesser dances than the other dancers.

I think "standardizing" the industry can't happen because guys like all types of women. They like short, medium, tall; curvy, slim, skinny; black, white, brown; redhead, blonde, brunette; fake, real, pierced; etc. etc.

But I do have to say that I do not like big fat tummies that hang over g-strings or an abundance of jiggle in the wrong places. I also don't like alcoholics and drug abusers on the job, drama queens, or dancers who wear a wifebeater and a thong as a uniform. But I don't think the clubs are getting rid of them, either.

And of course there are a couple of attributes that I think are hot that are totally excluded from the clubs.

The only thing that will make a club get rid of a girl is this:

"I can't pay my house fee/tip you" on a repeated basis.

And even then it isn't a sure thing.

SportsWriter2
09-11-2005, 11:54 AM
I also don't like alcoholics and drug abusers on the job, drama queens, or dancers who wear a wifebeater and a thong as a uniform.

Last month I saw a cute dancer with a wifebeater tied in the back, white panty briefs and no make-up. Her costume was worth maybe $3.88 at Walmart, but she was making bank. Is this a great country or what? :D

xdamage
09-11-2005, 01:46 PM
Well I do agree (I've made it clear in several other threads) that I think most men tend to find certain types of facial features and body proportions more attractive, and that these preferences go beyond "social" fabrications and reflect they way people (the people that make up societies) really think, what they really tend to prefer, and that there are good biological reasons for these preferences. So you won't find me taking sides with the PC crowd that likes to believe that beauty is just a social fabrication.

That said, I don't think we need any regulations to decide who can and can't dance, just like I don't think we need 90% of the laws we have. The market can take care of that on it's own. Those girls who aren't attractive will either end up out of the business of their own choice, or will shape up, or will find enough fetish/unusual/drunk customers to pay them that they will stay in business. And there is some truth to the belief that personality traits (and/or mileage) are taken into account by customers.

However I do think its not completely unreasonable that club owners be able to deny hiring girls who they feel don't have the look they want in the club. Stripping is just entertainment, it isn't a fundamental right or necessary to live. I think entertainment industries should be able to set visual standards for their employees, at least those who are "on stage". But no laws or official rules are needed. Each club owner can be left to decide this for themself.

xdamage
09-11-2005, 01:47 PM
Okay - based on what I've read on this board there are very few guys here who would pay me.

For some reason I'm having trouble believing this ;) I don't know why but I expect your a hottie Jenny.

doc-catfish
09-11-2005, 02:25 PM
Where does this assumption come from that really good looking dancers give half ass dances, have no conversational skills, and have over-inflated ego's? I honestly haven't run into too many dancers like that, thus this assumption that the fat girls are filling that need to me is a bunch of BS.
I agree RH, and I hope nothing I've written here or in another thread led anyone to believe I was implying that. A '10' who has a nice personality and gives good dances, will always outweigh a '7' who has a nice personality and gives good dances.

I do think though there is a tendency for the best looking gals in a club (and in midscale/downscale places this is particularly true) to not try as hard, not because they're stuck up, but because well, they don't have to. A gal who is a '10' has a distinct advantage over her competition and knows it, doesn't have to bring out all the stops to sell dances (not to say that she won't). I've seen attractive dancers take jobs in less than upscale clubs primarily for that reason.

doc-catfish
09-11-2005, 02:44 PM
This thread seems to be a good place to do it, so I thought I'd link to a couple items from our archives:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39253

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39430

MeganS
09-11-2005, 03:40 PM
Ok ,my club situation is diferent than a lot of girls on both these sites. I work at a club called (yes, it really is) The Rear End. I love this club because it's comfortable, I'm home every night, and I do make money, although it tends to fluctuate greatly. Now, there are no fees of any kind, whatsoever. In fact, he pays a $400.00 base for the girls working for the week. So this is the kind've club that makes it possible for the "less than average" strippers to keep on truckin' (which they're notorious for employing.). I used to like being the "beauty queen" there, but realize now it does hurt my earnings. On weeks where everyone looks pretty good, word travels (small town) and the place is going! Icky girls, dead week, you get my drift. Why do I continue to work there? Well previously stated reasons, they'll let me pick random hours when I start school, and I'm sick of travelling!
And I've seen girls waayyy over 200 lbs get buck naked on that stage. I'm sorry, it's one thing to clear a stage, but when people leave the bar when you get up, time to reconsider your line of work. You're hurting our money too.

Katrine
09-11-2005, 04:11 PM
Ok ,my club situation is diferent than a lot of girls on both these sites. I work at a club called (yes, it really is) The Rear End.

OMG, I think this club was made for me.

Jenny, I refuse to believe you aren't hot. This self-deprecation must cease. I'm going to go blue baller on you really quickly, but we need PHOTOS PHOTOS PHOTOS!!!!

Megan, we need more photos too!

Maintaining diversity and variety is not the same thing as letting girls whose thighs look like they've been hit with a flurry of shrapnel from a suicide bomber in Tel Aviv.

I have worked with many a thick, firm girl who can dance and charm. I've worked with many butta faces and many butterball turkeys. Its a fine line.


On aspd, the guys love to argue about spending too much money on escorts, strippers, extras, etc. They get their skid-marked tighty whities in a bunch when someone goes over the local POP index. Well, sometimes you get what you pay for. When someone places a discount on pussy far above the quality of the pussy, then they are thinking with their wallets and not their dicks. We prefer our clientele to be thinking with the lattter. ;)

As a customer, its difficult for me to coin a standard, but I'd definately get dances from anyone who posts here on the blue side, AND they must really enjoy dancing for women, not spend the entire time with their face in my crotch, and not crush me with fattiness. Susan, cum to mama......}:D

Sectumsempra
09-11-2005, 06:35 PM
i think diversity is a good thing, cause different guys like different stuff. however, i think a neat idea would be to have different clubs that "specialised" in certain looks... like you could have a club called "Plumpers" that specialised in BBWs (fat chicks), "Momma's", which specialised in MILFs, and "Schoolgirls" which would advertise "Youngest Girls Allowed By Law!"

Nicolina
09-11-2005, 06:43 PM
Even though I think it's true that there's a market for a pretty wide range of dancers, I guess on some level I agree with MeganS, cuz I wouldn't even think about going back to dancing unless I lost a good 15-20 lbs.

Jenny
09-11-2005, 07:36 PM
Jenny, I refuse to believe you aren't hot. This self-deprecation must cease. I'm going to go blue baller on you really quickly, but we need PHOTOS PHOTOS PHOTOS!!!!

Megan, we need more photos too!
Screw that - I'm gonna sit here and let you think I'm pretty.

X - I think maybe the reason you're so sure I'm cute is because I have a lot of confidence, and a lot of guys don't understand that in women who aren't really pretty. I will fess up though, that I don't REALLY have a leaking sack of puss over my eye. And I don't have genetic disorder that causes my nose to constantly bleed and a hideously distended lower lip, necessitating that I sort of slurp on my own noseblood all day (I may or may not have one of these things... but not both...) I really don't remember what else I've said about my appearance - um, I really am redhaired though (see, there, it's not all a lie).



I have worked with many a thick, firm girl who can dance and charm. I've worked with many butta faces and many butterball turkeys. Its a fine line.
It's not really about whether we want to work with fat girls or not - it's more, if we want the industry to be regulated (which we don't, incidentally, for any other purpose) WHO exactly is going to regulate it?


And finally - to all of those who hate being hustled - by fatties or others - for god's sake, stay home. I'm not saying you have to buy from everyone who approaches. But, for crying out loud, a strip club is a sales environment. If you don't want people trying to sell you things, go to a fucking movie. They're all on screen, and helpless to demand money from you. Selling things - you know, like dances - is what enables the girls to make enough money to buy their palty dinners of bread and water (maybe a croissant, if they've had a good night) and thereby have the strength and wherewithal to go in again the next night, thus enabling the clubs to exist. Geez. You're like the guys who say "I want my 5'10" girlfriend to weigh 110 pounds, but I fucking hate it when girls diet." Don't be dumb - if you want one, there is no point in bitching about the other.

Mastridonicus
09-11-2005, 07:41 PM
X - I think maybe the reason you're so sure I'm cute is because I have a lot of confidence, and a lot of guys don't understand that in women who aren't really pretty. I will fess up though, that I don't REALLY have a leaking sack of puss over my eye. And I don't have genetic disorder that causes my nose to constantly bleed and a hideously distended lower lip, necessitating that I sort of slurp on my own noseblood all day (I may or may not have one of these things... but not both...) I really don't remember what else I've said about my appearance - um, I really am redhaired though (see, there, it's not all a lie).


Did that description turn anyone else on? *Sheds his clothing*
Wow....thats HOT...

but unfortunatly you're not it :/

We could have had great NoseBlood togetther.

::Mast::

mr_punk
09-11-2005, 07:41 PM
Ok, I'm gonna get flamed by some pinkies reading this, and that's just fine and dandy. But I'm here to get opinions from the ones where it really counts: you guys! What kind of standards do you expect in a strip club?oh, those days are dead as a doorknob. i recall a manager telling me about a dancer who was more trouble than she was worth and was giving him some flak. he told her that if she didn't like the way he's running things to leave. he's got over 75 strippers working for him and he won't miss a beat because he's got plenty of girls wanting to work at the club. nowadays, strippers are as disposable and interchangeable as razor blades. frankly, i could care less who a club hires as long as a certain percentage of strippers appeal to me. i easily can ignore the rest. the only thing i don't want to see is a stampede of 250lb semi-nude strippers with saddle bags and cottage cheese thighs, but i'm sure that day is coming very soon. after all, a water buffalo can pay stage fees too.

So the glamour-pusses get very ticked off over this - because after all, they feel they have an inherent right to have the most business - and then want to regulate the busines in order to tell the customers what they can have (and that is them), and then try to tell all of us that it is what customers want.yeah, we hear about it from them in the club as well. it's an old story. one stripper thinks another stripper is messing with her money in some way and the biatch wants to claw her eyeballs out. now, i don't care if they biatch slap each other to death in the dressing room, but do they have to unload on the customers as well?

In fact, I'd say based on looks, 60% of the gals there would not get a dance out of me, come hell or high water. Of the remaining 40%, I'd say half of those girls would be "on the bubble".it's a lot less than that for me. since, i'm not into the whole personality thing. i base everything on looks first (below the neck) and mileage second. IMO, most strippers tend to fall in the average rather than the exceptional category bodywise. IOW, they're not going to make the cover of Shape magazine anytime soon. so, it can range anywhere from 15%-10% (or even less) for me. which is plenty, BTW. especially, since clubs seem to pack in as many girls as possible into a club. i always find a combination of a certain percentage (albeit a small one) of strippers who either work out to keep themselves in shape or are blessed with good genetics and/or are getting by on youth.

Richard_Head
09-11-2005, 07:57 PM
And finally - to all of those who hate being hustled - by fatties or others - for god's sake, stay home.Actually what I wrote was that I don't like being 'hassled' by the fatties, not 'hustled', big difference IMO. Being 'hassled' is when the girls refuse to accept "No, thank you", they ask "why not? why not?", they wine, and on and on and on, and in my experience it's the fatties who are more likely to engage in this type of behavior because no one is spending on them, IMO it make's for an unpleasant experience and does contribute to me deciding on which club I will visit (which I believe is part of MeganS's point).

SportsWriter2
09-11-2005, 08:13 PM
Geez. You're like the guys who say "I want my 5'10" girlfriend to weigh 110 pounds, but I fucking hate it when girls diet." Don't be dumb - if you want one, there is no point in bitching about the other.

The nice thing about a bulemic is that she'll eat normally with you and then barf after you leave. :-\

mr_punk
09-11-2005, 08:32 PM
Being 'hassled' is when the girls refuse to accept "No, thank you", they ask "why not? why not?", they wine, and on and on and on, and in my experience it's the fatties who are more likely to engage in this type of behavior because no one is spending on them, IMO it make's for an unpleasant experience and does contribute to me deciding on which club I will visit (which I believe is part of MeganS's point).you know, i really don't care if strippers attempt to aggressively hard sell me after i politely turned them down the first time. i treat them like telemarketers. as a customer, i feel that i'm under no obligation to be nice about it anymore. so, after a cold stare and if necessary a few caustic remarks. they get the point and move on.

Casual Observer
09-11-2005, 08:51 PM
Yeah, everyone has different standards of beauty, but most people, not just men, agree that what's visually apealling usually consists of a symmetical face with a small nose and large-ish lips, meduim to large breasts, flat stomach and thin-ish but not emaciated hips and legs.

Amen, ND! Is that too damn much to ask for? Really? Being that I stick to my regular circle of dancers, I didn't even realize how prevalent it was until I brought one of my civilian girlfriends into my home club a few months ago; she remarked on how many of the women certainly didn't fit her idea of what a stripper should look like. And she was right. (Yes, she looks good enough to be a stripper, so no, she wasn't being a catty bitch).

We read too much of that lovey-dovey bullshit on the Pink Side about how, "Men love variety," as some sort of blanket rationalization for girls that have no business being on a stage.

Do I like variety? Absolutely! Variety in an SC is NinaDaisy next to Bridgette next to TFD, not a bunch of girls that look like the "Before" models from a friggin' Zantrex-3 commercial.


Maintaining diversity and variety is not the same thing as letting girls whose thighs look like they've been hit with a flurry of shrapnel from a suicide bomber in Tel Aviv.

Kat, I'm sending you the bill for my 20" Viewsonic LCD display that I just soaked in a spray of water. Good thing I have my laptop. It's quotes like this that remind me why Kat is the motherfucking best.

<S> Kat

VenusGoddess
09-11-2005, 09:30 PM
I've always been one of the ones to say, "Personality should also have a role in the picking process", however, I must say...I do agree that while variety is the spice of life...I have a hard time enjoying seeing someone dancing who's body keeps moving long after the music has stopped. I mean, no one ever found the "belly shook like a bowl full of jello" to be a sexy thing...

SC's are supposed to be for fantasy. You walk in and you want to see at least one girl who fits your description of the "perfect" woman. Facially, she may not be beautiful...but she's got a killer body...or she has an ok body, but she's gorgeous. While I think that the variety of dancers would be good...I think that all dancers should look like they take care of their bodies...

Just my .02 cents...

NVJosh
09-12-2005, 09:24 AM
Personality counts, and if I'm in danger of bone bruises from a dancer landing on my thighs, then I'm still not buying dances.

xdamage
09-12-2005, 12:32 PM
X - I think maybe the reason you're so sure I'm cute is because I have a lot of confidence, and a lot of guys don't understand that in women who aren't really pretty.

That's a reasonable and likely explination. Still, its possible and likely you're very cute/hot and don't ackowledge it as a lot of cute/hot women don't seem to have good feelings about their own looks, which is silly since if you look good you should enjoy it and revel in it while you can. Looks do fade but so does intelligence, physical strength, etc., which is no reason not to enjoy looking good in the mean time.

Besides most guys get turned on by quite a lot of women and judge what is cute/hot a little differently then the girls. The strip club is a strange place because the hot-ass density level is so high that it's difficult to get a sense of what guys really like. Like throwing a kid in a candy store our eyes may wander from one candy to the next, or we may try the jelly gum drops even though thats not our usual thing, which really indicates nothing about our preferences or what we like in a more normal environment.

Jenny
09-13-2005, 05:50 PM
^^^
Know what? I have no idea why I keep arguing with you about how pretty I am. What an absolutely stupid thing for me to do. Screw it - I'm lovely, all cute as hell.

Sparkle01
09-14-2005, 05:18 AM
I reckon just as long as the fat girls are prettier than the wives they guys have at home they win. A chubby with a pretty face and big boobies and a sweet personality sh*ts all over a wrinkled, skinny, ugly 40 year old that has been nagging them for 20 years.
I agree that the fat ones SHOULD stay at home but there are attractive fat dancers. Some girls look cute with a bitter of extra padding - no too much tho. At first, when I started stripping I couldn't figure out why they made money.. but then I realised - you only have to be better than the women that they are at home with - which when you are young, is easy. That is my two cents any who!

Mastridonicus
09-14-2005, 07:18 AM
^^^
Know what? I have no idea why I keep arguing with you about how pretty I am. What an absolutely stupid thing for me to do. Screw it - I'm lovely, all cute as hell.


I KNEW IT!

*puts his picture of Liv Tyler back up, points at it, and says "JAN-KNEE"*

GiselleQ
09-14-2005, 06:03 PM
A little meat is always better than no meat.
Maybe it isi me. And I guess it is me. I smile, make jokes, but time and again, I have lost customers to fat gals. Why?, Fat gals on the average have better personalities and because they are little over weight, and concious of it, are more out going.
May be I was dumb back then and was not all that good on my closing skills, but those gals were pros, they got those guys and left me high and dry.
But it all comes down to what every a guy wants. I tend to be on the skinny side.
And being skinny caters to some guys fetish. And being fat caters to somebody's else's fetish.
Buisiness is buisiness, and to me it is not horse manure as to what a customer wants.

SportsWriter2
09-15-2005, 02:45 PM
But it all comes down to what every a guy wants. I tend to be on the skinny side.
I've seen your pics. If you started working in my favorite club, three bouncers, four waitstaff, and the housemom would be in a pool guessing how long it would take me to find you and invite you to champagne. And whoever took the low number would cheat by introducing us. :D

JumbliesMan
09-15-2005, 03:24 PM
Define the word 'fat'. In my experience women are overly critical about weight. Do I want an obese woman huffing and puffing while she smothers me to death? Hell no.

But there's a girl at my wife's club who has a little meat on her, and she is hawwwwt. She doesn't have rolls, but she's not a stick figure either. I wonder though, how many here would call her fat. Wish I had a photo of her to throw up a little poll and see what people think 'fat' actually is.

Deni
09-15-2005, 03:56 PM
Define the word 'fat'. In my experience women are overly critical about weight. Do I want an obese woman huffing and puffing while she smothers me to death? Hell no.

But there's a girl at my wife's club who has a little meat on her, and she is hawwwwt. She doesn't have rolls, but she's not a stick figure either. I wonder though, how many here would call her fat. Wish I had a photo of her to throw up a little poll and see what people think 'fat' actually is.

I think you made a good point. The difference, though, is being able to carry the weight well. If you look good being a little bigger then it's no problem; it's the ones who DON'T pull off that most of us are probably referring to (I can't say that for sure, though, because I can only speak for myself).

FBR
09-15-2005, 05:11 PM
There are tons of sites out there catering to men who enjoy large women which indicates to me that not all men go for the model look. Heavyset women are not my personal cup of tea but if they fullfill a market niche then more power to 'em. If they are banking and paying their fair share of house fees etc whats the beef?

FBR

MinahSky
09-19-2005, 10:31 AM
Here in L.A., they have created places for the BBW to do her thing...

http://www.volupcity.com (they have wet t-shirt contests, whip cream wrestling, lingerie night, dance contests, etc.)

http://www.candyekane.com/

http://www.clubbounce.net/


I dont' understand what is so hard to get: if a lady makes money, how can you argue? Yes, if 20 of the 25 ladies look like they stepped of the pages of Playboy, the 5 that don't are going to stand out. But it all comes down to business. The club owner doesn't care what YOU like, if those dancers are making money for him, regardless of the loss of some clientele. We all know that as long as your ATF is doing you right (take the pun as you wish), you'll go where she is, which is his club.

Of course, there are the few that have their heads up their ass and wont' hire someone that will make money because she' not blonde with blue eyes and implants. It's basically still a lack of business training.

I don't know why people think that beautiful women dont' do extras. As I said on the pink side, that myth was smashed when I found out one of the best paid dancers at my club was doing all kinds of things in her dances. She was doing such things that to keep her doing them, the guys would not talk about it... That was backed up by a trip to Houston's SC's (I don't think I need to say much else).

What it comes down to is money. One lady might require $500 a night working 5 nights a week to support herself. Another might only need $100 a night working 5 days a week to support herself. Many people see the easy money dancing appears to be, cash every day you work, no check to wait for, etc. It's more than what they would be making with minimum wage, so it works for them. In fact, I have worked with several girls that were north of 300 pounds and they make enough money to support themselves.


There's no easy answer to this matter.

KamrynAnne
09-19-2005, 02:25 PM
i think some dancers forget to look at themselves in the mirror... there was this one dancer who used to work at my old club and she was disgusting... her looks, as well as personality.... she used to shove down greasy pizza and fried food in front of customers.. i mean honestly who would want to get a dance from someone who obviously doesn't take care of their body.....

bassackwards
09-19-2005, 03:47 PM
OK, I just had to respond to this one. I had an experience with a rather attractive dancer who happened to be...well....FAT, and noticeably so. How FAT you say? Mmm, I would say she was a good 35 or 40 lbs overweight. Could that be? Yeah, I guess so... Now I just noticed that I said I had an "experience with" this women instead of saying I got dances from her, which is what happened. I suppose I find it a little embarrassing to admit it, especially since I'm the kinda guy who tends to be very very picky. I mean it. But on this particular night, I was a little down and a little drunk (my old fave had recently quit at another club). And then I spotted a very attractive face in the crowd. Really very attractive from the neck up and very sweet.

The dances were OK, as long as I looked straght ahead and didn't look down - kinda like walking a tight rope if you know what I mean; or cleaning the windows on a skyscraper. She did seem to want to go the extra mile though. Of course, after a couple of songs - alright it was three - I called it quits. Enough of this nonsense I thought. I went home thinking God, if she lost the weight she'd be a knockout...Hmm, if she can lose 2 pounds a week, let's see...it might happen in about 5 months!! And I'll have attained "special status" with her since I got dances from her during her fat days! Maybe I should go back and get more.

So I guess the point of my story is that one occassionally finds a rather fat woman who is very attractive from the neck up. We've all seen them at one point or another.

As for restricting fat women from the clubs, well...I would guess that lack of demand probably keeps their percentages pretty low in most places. And if their is some demand from the guys, then they oughta be able to get what they want. Also, seeing some fat women just makes you appreciate the hot ones even more... :P

bassackwards
09-19-2005, 04:11 PM
My standards are Megan. However, I don't mind friendly, slightly chubby dancers who don't bother me for dances. You know, the ones who come over, give me a hug, and say, "I know you like Megan. You want me to find her for you?" And if I say, "That's okay, she's almost ready," the chubby tells me what a cute ass Megan has. :)

I call these dancers "social support chubbies." One per shift in case John Goodman walks through the door. Or some fat contractor gets horny drunk and there aren't enough girls to go around. Beer goggles make anything look like "what I like." But then she comes to you next time and says, "You wanna have fun again" and you don't remember anything. That's why I don't drink much in clubs.

I do not want an "extras chubby" in the house. I don't want to wonder about the lapdance chairs. I don't want the smell of a chubby who sweated or got off. And no tats on the chubby, except maybe a little teddy bear on her ass.

I'd even tip a chubby five if she said, "Megan talks about you all the time in the dressing room." Dancers really should do cooperative SS. :)

SW2, you just have a way with words. That was just hilarious.

FBR
09-19-2005, 04:46 PM
i think some dancers forget to look at themselves in the mirror... there was this one dancer who used to work at my old club and she was disgusting... her looks, as well as personality.... she used to shove down greasy pizza and fried food in front of customers.. i mean honestly who would want to get a dance from someone who obviously doesn't take care of their body.....

Thats a fair question but some guys dont care it seems. At my old club, there was this dancer that many of the customers referred to as the "linebacker". She had a reasonably cute face but her body was "robust" to put it kindly. And yet she was a top earner...wore out the carpet from her trips to the LD area. Ultimately, the rank and file dancers decided she had to doing extras to attain that level of business. Maybe so...but I suspect she was just good at identifying customers who were attracted to her build and capitalized on it.

FBR

Richard_Head
09-19-2005, 05:44 PM
I don't mind them being there if they leave me alone, they just try too hard sometimes and it gets annoying. I also figure that if I really wanted extracurricular activities with a heavy girl I could probably find one outside the club to spend some time with for a lot cheaper.

MinahSky
09-20-2005, 12:19 AM
None of us are perfect, I simply do not get the point of harping on others that "aren't up to snuff". How many people here would get kicked off the Playboy property mansion if they weren't delivering something? SHIT!

evan_essence
09-20-2005, 06:15 AM
There are a couple of inherent problems with this discussion. First, we don't have a real clear definition of the height/weight ranges we're talking about. There's a discernible difference in most people's preferences between the high end of the normal range of the BMI scale and the obese range, but "fat" is sometimes used to cover either. Some percentage of people would classify a stripper at the high end of normal BMI as fat. Still, she may be able to be quite successful at an average club. A stripper in the obese range might have to seek out a niche club to do well, and is likely to be the object of more customer criticism at an average club.

Second, it makes for interesting discussion but it's difficult if not impossible to objectively measure how much financial "damage" an individual dancer outside the prevalent norms at a club is actually causing other dancers. Are customers really running for the hills, never to return? Or are they just grousing a bit about being "traumatized" but spending the same?

Obviously, the only standard that counts toward hiring is the one that management enforces. In a perfect world, that decision would be based on whatever pleases a substantial number of customers. But we know they sometimes sacrifice long range strategies for short term profits.

-Ev

pet_rock
09-20-2005, 07:26 AM
...but it's difficult if not impossible to objectively measure how much financial "damage" an individual dancer outside the prevalent norms at a club is actually causing other dancers. Are customers really running for the hills, never to return? Or are they just grousing a bit about being "traumatized" but spending the same?

Odd, I never would think another DANCER could be hurt by having heavy girls in the club--the club ITSELF would be hurt...

At the SC I patronize there is one, count her--ONE--long-haired brunette with natural breasts. This is the type I prefer and will spend money on. The rest are cookie-cutter bleached-blondes, 25% with fake breasts...

Last Tuesday there were EIGHT guys in the bar and FOUR of us were waiting for HER. She could only sit with one of us, and it was me--but I took the high-road and let her go sit with her next best regular spender and came back Wednesday...The thing is, the other dancers were complaining about that situation--wondering how it is that SHE gets attention like that?!? ::)

IF the club had another dancer that fit my type I may have spent time with her, or one of the other three guys may have, thereby getting the club money for drinks and their 50% cut of the dances--but by not realizing how they were stacking their line-up the SC lost me for the night. (If I hadn't come back Wednesday, that is! }:D If I had just been passing through town, say, I would have gone to the SC down the street to see what was on offer there.)

Every now and then I'll give some of the other dancers some stage tips--usually when it's a song I like--so it's not like the other dancers really care if I was there or not; I don't figure into their earnings equation at all.

So if the girl is 'heavy', so what? If she finds a customer base then she'll stay on; if she can't make enough money she'll leave on her own. The SC just has to be sure not to fill the entire line-up with them unless they want to be known as the 'fat' club! The SC has to make sure to give a good mix of dancers to appeal to all of us customers; the dancers just need to look after themselves and realize they're much more likely to be competing against dancers of THEIR OWN type instead of those who are WAY different!

MinahSky
09-20-2005, 08:24 AM
Alright, I'm gonna jump from the frying pan into the fire here...

This topic is a glaring example of the many differences between men and women:

Females in an SC let an overweight dancer (or two) cost them time and money, concerning themselves with why they are there, who let them in , how long they will stay, etc.

Men will be damned if they let a dancer that they could care less about ruin their time for even one second. They simply ignore her and keep to the originally scheduled program... :beer2: :boobies:

xdamage
09-20-2005, 09:51 AM
Alright, I'm gonna jump from the frying pan into the fire here...

This topic is a glaring example of the many differences between men and women:

Females in an SC let an overweight dancer (or two) cost them time and money, concerning themselves with why they are there, who let them in , how long they will stay, etc.

Men will be damned if they let a dancer that they could care less about ruin their time for even one second. They simply ignore her and keep to the originally scheduled program... :beer2: :boobies:

You've pretty much nailed my male perspective on the matter. Why the fuck would I care if there is an extremely overweight (or extremely underweight) dancer at a strip club? Now I am not going to buy dances from either extreme, or tell you that either extreme is a turn-on for me, but I don't see what the fuss is. They may want to lose or gain some weight for health reasons or their own bottom line, but having some extremes and fetish types in the clubs just add variety. As you said, it doesn't adversely affect me in any way at all, and it doesn't affect who I'll spend my money on. As long as it doesn't adversely affect me why should I care or need to have an opinion? If they can make money doing what they do, fine.

p.s. there was another recent thread from a girl who asked for opinions from the guys. That's different because she asked for our opinions. She got a lot of no responses based mostly on her weight. Fine, if you ask you have to accept honest answers. The reality is that a lot of guys prefer a more lean look but I don't think most of us care if there is a variety of body types and fetish types in the strip clubs. Just so long as there is a majority of (or at least a lot of) the types we are looking for we will patron the clubs.

But it's just business. If a girl can enough make money as is, and the weight isn't a health concern, who cares?

SportsWriter2
09-20-2005, 10:08 AM
Why the fuck would I care if there is an extremely overweight (or extremely underweight) dancer at a strip club?

Excellent point. I need to support tolerance for chubbies, because when they're terminated, my ABC girls will be next. :O

ABC = anorexic, bulemic, or on a cocaine diet