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TigersMilk
08-09-2007, 10:53 AM
I'm assuming its showing nipple at the line up.
Crow2
08-09-2007, 06:25 PM
No showing of nipple ever. If you wear a sheer outfit you must wear pasties. At least it was that way when I worked at Sherri's Ranch.
Other places I am not familiar with their rules.
Crow2
08-09-2007, 06:28 PM
Whats back biting? I have a hunch that its not literally what it means.
Back biting = cut throating, in the realm of sitting at the bar and trying to talk to a guy while another chick is talking to him, trying to make a sale.
Sorry, I should of been more clear.
cameron_keys
08-09-2007, 06:50 PM
No showing of nipple ever. If you wear a sheer outfit you must wear pasties. At least it was that way when I worked at Sherri's Ranch.
Other places I am not familiar with their rules.
I find that so bizarre. I think its odd enough that some strip clubs have rules like that..even odder for a brothel to. I mean...nudity and sexuality and all...kind of the whole point for going in right??!!
Maybe I'm the odd one..who knows...
You get to take the pasties off in the room with the customer right? THAT would be beyond wierd if you couldnt!
Crow2
08-09-2007, 08:44 PM
I find that so bizarre. I think its odd enough that some strip clubs have rules like that..even odder for a brothel to. I mean...nudity and sexuality and all...kind of the whole point for going in right??!!
Maybe I'm the odd one..who knows...
You get to take the pasties off in the room with the customer right? THAT would be beyond wierd if you couldnt!
Of course, in your room was sort of private domain. I always found that disturbing as well. It was explained to me that all the "girls" were to start on equal ground. No one could do something to attract patrons to herself.
Made sense, but it's still weird.
Lola Rose
08-12-2007, 05:41 PM
how many legal brothels are there in the us? I thought there were just 1 or two ::)?
Christian*Doll*
08-12-2007, 06:30 PM
what!!!um no there is at least 20 in the state of nevada
google it girl!!!
Outdates are when a customer pays for your time to be taken out to dinner and overnight stuff
so yes like an outcall escort , only thing is they have to come to the brothel first
ITgirl
08-28-2007, 12:16 PM
I know I'm going to sound like a real bitch, and for the moment I don't care. I just have to express that I'm GLAD there are so many women here who are judgmental and who don't bother to educate themselves about things, but still feel qualified to have biased opinions about those things.
What I mean is, so many girls in this looooong thread asked basic questions they could have googled for a REAL reliable answer, and got crappy misinformation from other girls who didn't know any more than the asker. And then there were the numerous posts trying to imply that whores are nasty and going to basically get aids and die.
It was like reading that article by the alleged former stripper who said we were selling our souls. I just couldn't believe this was written by so many SW members!
But, I'm glad... I'm glad that those girls won't actually try to better themselves or do more in life than they are now, because it will mean less competition for me in the long run. Dumb people, ignorant people, judgmental people, all make SC's great places to turn a "secret" profession into a goldmine. Just imagine how much more lucrative a career as a legal whore (I've done very well as an illegal one...) will be?
So thank you to all the ignoramus's out there. And a real, non-sarcastic thanks to all the intelligent people who contributed actual relevant info to this board for the benefit of people who really want to learn and grow, not just point and snicker.
I'm going to Sheri's ranch in the next few days for a tour and will let you guys know in my thread ("brothel work"/other work forum) what I find and give updates if I do decide to work there.
TigersMilk
08-29-2007, 04:28 PM
I liked reading Chrissychans stuff. I clicked on the name at the beginning of the thread and shes gone now.
AlexxaHex
08-29-2007, 04:30 PM
I know I'm going to sound like a real bitch, and for the moment I don't care. I just have to express that I'm GLAD there are so many women here who are judgmental and who don't bother to educate themselves about things, but still feel qualified to have biased opinions about those things.
What I mean is, so many girls in this looooong thread asked basic questions they could have googled for a REAL reliable answer, and got crappy misinformation from other girls who didn't know any more than the asker. And then there were the numerous posts trying to imply that whores are nasty and going to basically get aids and die.
It was like reading that article by the alleged former stripper who said we were selling our souls. I just couldn't believe this was written by so many SW members!
But, I'm glad... I'm glad that those girls won't actually try to better themselves or do more in life than they are now, because it will mean less competition for me in the long run. Dumb people, ignorant people, judgmental people, all make SC's great places to turn a "secret" profession into a goldmine. Just imagine how much more lucrative a career as a legal whore (I've done very well as an illegal one...) will be?
So thank you to all the ignoramus's out there. And a real, non-sarcastic thanks to all the intelligent people who contributed actual relevant info to this board for the benefit of people who really want to learn and grow, not just point and snicker.
I'm going to Sheri's ranch in the next few days for a tour and will let you guys know in my thread ("brothel work"/other work forum) what I find and give updates if I do decide to work there.
How is googling a subject more reliable than asking a question here to an actual brothel worker? One of the things I like about SW is that we can ask each other questions and get real answers. I think you're wasting your time getting all bent out of shape here. No one is judging.
ITgirl
08-30-2007, 11:08 PM
How is googling a subject more reliable than asking a question here to an actual brothel worker? ... I think you're wasting your time getting all bent out of shape here. No one is judging.
Contrary to your opinion, there are plenty of holier-than-thou postings in this thread. Apparently, we are all going to get AIDS and every other STD known to man as soon as we set foot in a brothel. And every condom we ever use will break; we'll end up with hordes of trick-babies. The houses will take every single penny, forcing us to go on welfare, and we might just get serial-murdered by a slavering psychopath while the housemom sits and listens in, cackling with glee! Yes, I'm dramatizing, but some of the posts would lead you to believe this crap, especially if you are not a sex-worker and just stumble onto this site by accident as a total square.
And who would've thunk it??? Looking up facts on the internet is RELIABLE! OMG!! Because the info is up-to-date and you can read all the laws for yourself. Amazingly, you can also get #'s to call for answers to every question under the sun. wow.
And to top it all off? I even got to chat with ACTUAL BROTHEL WORKERS [gasp] on a forum that is all about....[trumpet flair].......BROTHELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://nvbrothels.net/forum/
I really value my common sense.
Christian*Doll*
08-31-2007, 12:57 AM
wow itgirl what a great site thank you for posting:)
but im a bit cornfused as why you are so angry?:O
Kaylinn
08-31-2007, 04:11 AM
Contrary to your opinion, there are plenty of holier-than-thou postings in this thread. Apparently, we are all going to get AIDS and every other STD known to man as soon as we set foot in a brothel. And every condom we ever use will break; we'll end up with hordes of trick-babies. The houses will take every single penny, forcing us to go on welfare, and we might just get serial-murdered by a slavering psychopath while the housemom sits and listens in, cackling with glee! Yes, I'm dramatizing, but some of the posts would lead you to believe this crap, especially if you are not a sex-worker and just stumble onto this site by accident as a total square.
And who would've thunk it??? Looking up facts on the internet is RELIABLE! OMG!! Because the info is up-to-date and you can read all the laws for yourself. Amazingly, you can also get #'s to call for answers to every question under the sun. wow.
And to top it all off? I even got to chat with ACTUAL BROTHEL WORKERS [gasp] on a forum that is all about....[trumpet flair].......BROTHELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really value my common sense.
Over dramatizing? Ya think? Just a tad?
It IS possible to get an STD workign in a brothel. It IS possible for the condom to break. Why do you think they require weekly STD testing? Noone is immune to gettting an STD. Accidents happen.
It IS possible for that condom to break and you find yrouself pregnant. Or madly searching for Plan B.
The house DOES take a large sum of your money. 50% of everything, including gifts. Plus all the expenses you have to pay every week such as yoru rent, your STD tests....you end up putting well over half your earnings back in.
All this was kindly pointed out in the thread. I doubt anyone actually said OMG! The condom is gonna break, your gonna find yourself with aids and gonna get pregnant and have an aidds baby, omg! Don't work in a borthel, all prostitutes are slut whore diseased filled cum dumpsters!!
Common sense?
Where?
Who?
yoda57us
08-31-2007, 10:06 AM
Holier than though posts? Yeah, maybe a few but that's part and parcel to what a discussion board is about for better or worse. Google is a wonderful tool. I use it all the time. People who want to know the facts will find ways to learn them. People who just want to put in their two cents will probably just do it here. I'm pretty sure that's why forums like this exist.
I've known plenty of sex workers and the vast majority of them knew exactly what the risks were and what they were getting into. Some do the research and some, unfortunately learn the hard way. Either way I don't see how an open exchange of ideas and opinions on an open forum can be a bad thing.
LatinaRose
08-31-2007, 11:07 AM
Common sense?
Where?
Who?
I was thinking the same. This and some of your other posts just leave me :-\ I think this board provides a lot of great information, yet you are quick to lash out when you read a few things you don't like.
what in the fuck.
First off., IT girl have you worked in a brothel? Because I have. And most info that was shared here were from girls that HAVE worked in them.
People will never know the truth unless they go to the source
And ps ...you and your almight " here's what's best" nvbrothels is the WORST site for brothel girls
Thank you and good night.
Sounds like you need to do more that fucking googling
Coollyseductive
09-02-2007, 03:07 PM
so do do you get to work in a brothel?
Crow2
09-02-2007, 03:27 PM
I know I'm going to sound like a real bitch, and for the moment I don't care. I just have to express that I'm GLAD there are so many women here who are judgmental and who don't bother to educate themselves about things, but still feel qualified to have biased opinions about those things.
What I mean is, so many girls in this looooong thread asked basic questions they could have googled for a REAL reliable answer, and got crappy misinformation from other girls who didn't know any more than the asker. And then there were the numerous posts trying to imply that whores are nasty and going to basically get aids and die.
It was like reading that article by the alleged former stripper who said we were selling our souls. I just couldn't believe this was written by so many SW members!
But, I'm glad... I'm glad that those girls won't actually try to better themselves or do more in life than they are now, because it will mean less competition for me in the long run. Dumb people, ignorant people, judgmental people, all make SC's great places to turn a "secret" profession into a goldmine. Just imagine how much more lucrative a career as a legal whore (I've done very well as an illegal one...) will be?
So thank you to all the ignoramus's out there. And a real, non-sarcastic thanks to all the intelligent people who contributed actual relevant info to this board for the benefit of people who really want to learn and grow, not just point and snicker.
I'm going to Sheri's ranch in the next few days for a tour and will let you guys know in my thread ("brothel work"/other work forum) what I find and give updates if I do decide to work there.
Excuse you very much..
I really, really hope you do get to work at Sherri's because some of the ladies there wont tolerate your shitty attitude.
hustlebunny
09-09-2007, 04:18 PM
Whew...what an interesting thread...From her "should i do this/" to top girl winning awards and in the HBO show...sounds like a book to me.
I found this very, very interesting. I am a fairly vanilla dancer but have the utmost respect for women who choose to sell sex for $$...to each his/her own is my motto in general. I don't see how the discussions or comments pointed to judgement of women who work at brothels or trade sex for $$. It seemed like people had questions, fears and concerns but for the most part wished Jenny the best of luck from the beginning and even moreso once she was having a good time. Yes, this is mainly a stripper site but to me sex work is sex work...mind as well be supportive...Though it's hard to be supportive when it's being done in the club. (My own personal gripe these days...eerrrggh) But sex will always sell and always be sold legally, illegally, safely, unsafe...all we can do is make our own choices.
Just my two cents...
BunnyBabe
02-04-2008, 10:30 AM
I thought I would post to clear up that air about this.
I my self work at the Bunny Ranch.
I see alot of people Complaining about the 50/50 cut. Yes this sucks but also please think about this. Denis Provides us girls with so much. Food, entertainment,shopping,discounts on lots of things ect. We pay $20 per day for our room. This is a 1/4 of what you would pay at a hotel of equal. Also think about the monthly upkeep of the brothel. How much water,elect,gas ect is used. Us girls only pay that $20 per day so dennis is paying for our water,gas, elct, food ect. I think the 50% is quite fair.
Also im kinda scared to see you would rather work no legaly cause of the 50/50 when you work no legal you are open to rape,murder,std's HIV ect. When you are making $500 to $1,000 a hour with the cut taken you have a problem with this? think of it this way a normal job you make a little over a grand a month. you are making his in a hour or 2. Consider your self lucky.
Brothels are verry safe. You are tested EVERY week and if you are "sick" you are not allowed to work.
AlexxaHex
02-05-2008, 11:50 AM
^I guess it's all a matter of perspective, BunnyBabe. To some, $500 for an hour of sex is not enough money. To others, it's a lot of money.
Some women have no problem paying their 50% share, and others see it as an oppressive male dominated thing. There is a certain freedom that is lost when you are pimped out.
No matter where you work though, there will always be some risk of violence and STDs. I hope that brothel workers are not falling under an illusion of safety from these things. A loaded gun is a loaded gun!
There is no right or wrong here, it's just a matter of what someone is comfortable with. If you enjoy it, that's all that matters and keep making your money!
britt244
02-05-2008, 03:59 PM
Also im kinda scared to see you would rather work no legaly cause of the 50/50 when you work no legal you are open to rape,murder,std's HIV ect. When you are making $500 to $1,000 a hour with the cut taken you have a problem with this? think of it this way a normal job you make a little over a grand a month. you are making his in a hour or 2. Consider your self lucky.
you cant say that. there are a LOT of jobs out there and people certainly dont all make that amount.
Yekhefah
02-05-2008, 05:31 PM
I see alot of people Complaining about the 50/50 cut. Yes this sucks but also please think about this. Denis Provides us girls with so much. Food, entertainment,shopping,discounts on lots of things ect. We pay $20 per day for our room. This is a 1/4 of what you would pay at a hotel of equal. Also think about the monthly upkeep of the brothel. How much water,elect,gas ect is used. Us girls only pay that $20 per day so dennis is paying for our water,gas, elct, food ect.
Still sounds like a pimp to me. There is no way that the utility bill amounts to $500 an hour or more, and I'd rather pay for my own food, entertainment, and shopping and retain the right to decide who I am willing to have sex with (whether for money or not). When "Denis" is putting his life at risk and subjecting himself to potential trauma, then he'll be entitled to take more of the money than you keep, but until then he's just another pimp.
Delilah27
02-06-2008, 01:59 AM
Bunny Babe opened another Pandora's box on top of It girl...
uh oh
do some not get the principal of a business? I can't help but shake my head at some of the posts in this thread!
OK, so 50% maybe a little high of a cut, but you are able to set your own hourly rate and your able to work when you like, Dennis is treating the girls with respect, he is giving them anything and a little more, he is giving most of the girls a platform to which they can make their dreams and aspirations a reality, financially speaking
But, 50% is good especially given that you can choose your hourly rate, here in Australia, from what I understand, the brothels set an hourly rate, most of which is $300 an hour, and the girls are getting $150 an hour and by the sounds of it, this is a standard rate, some places you can book out for 30 minutes at a time, this means that the girls are being paid $75 for sex!! This is horribly low amount of $$, but no-one knows the wiser
So in prospective, I really think that Dennis is giving the WL more then anywhere else has to offer!
Butterfly1985
02-06-2008, 08:39 AM
What is required at these places? Which ones would u prefer to work at? How was the money? Contacted bunny ranch and was told to send pics.
Butterfly1985
02-06-2008, 08:54 AM
I think having sex with someone for free, and pretty much giving it away, like some girls do to someone u have only known for like a month is worse. I personally have someone i see quite often, that i have known for a year. He is the only person i see and it is always safe. He gives me at least a grand everytime and does other things for me like buying me a whole set of tires for my infiniti G35 which would cost me about 1200-1500. I dont see anything wrong with it. Its about survival in this world, and stripping isnt always reliable.
gingerlee
02-06-2008, 09:41 AM
^^Totally OT, but you do know that an Infiniti is basically just a Nissan with different decals and such, right? If you were getting tires for a G35 and somebody quoted more than a grand, they were ripping you off. Tires on my Corvette even out at about a grand, and they are 2 different sizes for front and back with run flats too...
Jay Zeno
02-06-2008, 10:50 AM
I know nothing about brothel business, so PMFJI. But it totally depends on different industry standards as to what makes a reasonable commission. If you're a furniture salesman, it might be 5%. If you're an engineer doing contract work it might be 65%.
I would say that in the medical/legal/engineering world, if you're providing all the overhead, all the amenities, bringing all the business to the door (not to mention lodging and meals), then 50% is pretty reasonable. Of course, a brothel is not in the medical/legal/engineering world.
Regardless of fair, if the owner is satisfied, if the workers are satisfied, and if the customers are satisfied (ha, ha), then it's a successful business model. Workers tend to forget that business owners are in it to make money have should have the ability to do so on the business they bring in. Owners tend to forget that workers like to make as much as possible and should have the ability to do so on the efforts and talents that they bring in.
If that balance can be struck successfully, then it's fair. And if the worker feels that she can do just as well on her own, then she can sure strike out on her own to prove that point. It's the capitalist way.
Jenny
02-06-2008, 12:15 PM
I know nothing about brothel business, so PMFJI. But it totally depends on different industry standards as to what makes a reasonable commission. If you're a furniture salesman, it might be 5%. If you're an engineer doing contract work it might be 65%.
I would say that in the medical/legal/engineering world, if you're providing all the overhead, all the amenities, bringing all the business to the door (not to mention lodging and meals), then 50% is pretty reasonable. Of course, a brothel is not in the medical/legal/engineering world.
Regardless of fair, if the owner is satisfied, if the workers are satisfied, and if the customers are satisfied (ha, ha), then it's a successful business model. Workers tend to forget that business owners are in it to make money have should have the ability to do so on the business they bring in. Owners tend to forget that workers like to make as much as possible and should have the ability to do so on the efforts and talents that they bring in.
If that balance can be struck successfully, then it's fair. And if the worker feels that she can do just as well on her own, then she can sure strike out on her own to prove that point. It's the capitalist way.
Um. No. I'm sorry, but just... no. Claiming that an absolutely and irremediably parasitic relationship that has been legislated into existence for the advantage of men and the detriment of women is okay because people are still working under it is just the worst possible reasoning in the world. Unlike strip club owners that have to run a bar, brothel owners bring nothing to the table; all they have to offer the girls is legislative mandate. There is something fundamentally WRONG with that that cannot be accounted for by "the parties agreed."
Yekhefah
02-06-2008, 12:17 PM
^^^ Well said.
hockeybobby
02-06-2008, 01:22 PM
Um. No. I'm sorry, but just... no. Claiming that an absolutely and irremediably parasitic relationship that has been legislated into existence for the advantage of men and the detriment of women is okay because people are still working under it is just the worst possible reasoning in the world. Unlike strip club owners that have to run a bar, brothel owners bring nothing to the table; all they have to offer the girls is legislative mandate. There is something fundamentally WRONG with that that cannot be accounted for by "the parties agreed."
Jenny, would you still believe this in the case of say a hypothetical brothel which existed illegally, was owned and operated by a woman, and had a commission split of 50/50?
hb
Jenny
02-06-2008, 01:26 PM
Well, hockeybobby, a hypothetical brothel owned by anybody that was operating illegally wouldn't be relying on a legislative mandate to maintain a parasitic relationship, would it? It might be relying on other things to maintain that relationship - is that you are asking me?
Jay Zeno
02-06-2008, 02:04 PM
I don't understand the animus. I'm saying that as an average in a business, 50% ain't out of line. I'm also saying if it works for all the parties, it works for all the parties.
If a brothel has nothing to do with those two sentences, so be it. I'm not an expert on brothels, and I imagine that a small minority of the population would be.
Jenny
02-06-2008, 02:11 PM
Well, not for nothing Jay, but it clearly has something to do with brothels, because brothels was the subject of the thread and at the thrust of the comment. You weren't just discussing the free market, generally, when I came along and threw brothels into the conversation.
Jay Zeno
02-06-2008, 02:14 PM
OK.
If brothels are comparable to normal business models, 50% commission would not seem to be out of line.
Jenny
02-06-2008, 02:21 PM
Okay. Well I would suggest that a) this implies a uniformity amongst all other business models that doesn't really exist; if you want to claim the free market, I think you have to look at some of the parts that make it tick and not just reduce to it to the effect "if two parties agree..." and b) I actually think the reply I made before still pretty much answers to this.
Jay Zeno
02-06-2008, 02:34 PM
The edit function wouldn't let me add in "If it's not comparable to a normal business model, then never mind."
I wasn't implying a uniformity. That's why I said "if." I don't know if it's uniform or not. There seemed to be some opposition to a 50% commission. I was just saying, "Y'know, in a normal business, that's not so bad."
I hereby disclaim any and all familiarity in relation to the operations of brothels, from management, income, expense, employment, contract, and all other aspects, and withdraw any comment I may have ever made, directly or indirectly, referring to brothels, as products of my being ignorant, uniformed, and alien to the workings thereof.
(If a humorous tone didn't come through, it was intended anyway.)
hockeybobby
02-06-2008, 02:40 PM
Well, hockeybobby, a hypothetical brothel owned by anybody that was operating illegally wouldn't be relying on a legislative mandate to maintain a parasitic relationship, would it? It might be relying on other things to maintain that relationship - is that you are asking me?
Jenny I was simply prompting you to consider the fairness of the 50/50 commission split without any consideration for the "legislative mandate to maintain a parasitic relationship" part. I feel they are two seperate issues, and the thread seemed to be discussing the commission part of it at this time. Do you feel these two issues are inseperable?
hb
Jenny
02-06-2008, 03:09 PM
Um, well, I'm not sure you can separate those issues and make arguments for the free market when the market is being legislatively rammed down one's throat and putting the parasites in an artificially strong bargaining position. You can't just separate out the "legislatively mandated" part; that's like saying "if the facts were entirely different, might there be a different outcome?"
Look at it this way: in our society we are predisposed to believe that people come to free and willing agreements etc. What is the brothel providing, absent the law? Nothing. Considering that a place to work is the easiest thing in the world to find - a hotel room is less than $500 for the night, let alone an hour, etc., the brothel and brothel owner bring nothing to the table. They don't bring the girls customers; the girls bring them customers - they provide nothing to the customers except access to the girls (unlike a strip club); how much do you think a reasonable person would pay for that? I'm sorry, but that is the greatest market failure known to man; it is essentially people paying for nothing and that offends the entire basis of contract and exchange, and THAT is what makes it parasitic.
We had one of them here who rigorously defended his policies, and said I didn't understand that he had to buy things for his brothel, etc., etc. and then said perfectly matter of factly that no, of course nobody would work for him without the laws and couldn't see the correlation there or any particular problem with that. Keep in mind, that being Canadian I am perfectly well aware that pimps are not going to be the thin line between healthy, happy prostitutes and disease spreading infectious skin bags.
Jay Zeno
02-06-2008, 03:35 PM
Jenny, I see a divergence between your assumptions and BunnyBabe's report. Be that as it may, I'm not about to defend or critique a business that I know nothing about. So with that preamble, I'd ask to bow out.
Jenny
02-06-2008, 04:23 PM
Jay, I'm not making assumptions. It is a fact that the brothels are legislated into existence; it is a fact that there are cheaper accommodations than $500 an hour; it is a fact that the brothel system in Nevada is legislatively designed to benefit (male) owners and customers while constraining the women working there as much as possible. It is great that BunnyBabe is happy with her relationship; but the fact that she likes her parasite doesn't change the fact that it is a parasite.
And technically - just technically, mind you - it seems rather pointless to make a preamble and then bow out. It actually seems kind of like a way to try to put out a point and then avoid answering to it; I mean god forbid that I try to make you critique or defend a business that you know nothing about, but... then what is your point exactly?
Jay Zeno
02-06-2008, 04:40 PM
Jenny, I think I've made my point four previous times. There's upsetness regarding a 50% commission. That's not a bad figure in conventional business. Note: The comment only regards the figure itself on an overall scale, not the savoriness of the business. I have no knowledge of that business. I've made that point, to.
The differences that I was referring to between your posting and Bunny's had to do with the amount and type of amenities and overhead provided. She says more, you say less. So it goes.
Jay Zeno
02-06-2008, 04:41 PM
"Too" not "to." I seem to have completely lost the ability to edit here.
hockeybobby
02-06-2008, 04:57 PM
Jenny, I would respectfully disagree with both the brothel owners assertion, and yours, that without the law nobody would work for the brothel owner. I believe it would be subject to market forces...some girls would work out of their homes and some would use hotels, and some would do their own advertising etc. But there would be some prostitutes who would go to a place that's all set up for prostitution to take place, and would trade off their independence and control of their business for demonstrable client flow, and simplicity. And they would pay what they consider to be a reasonable commission for this.
The same type of scenario plays out for people doing for instance massage therapy or reflexology or esthetics here in Canada. Some work on their own, and some for business or personal reasons go to work in a spa or professional group and pay a commission to the operator....70/30 or 50/50 or whatever.
Like JZ, I have no knowledge of the brothel business. I doubt if it works much differently than other businesses though.
Lets say, they made a law tomorrow legalizing prostitution in brothels only in Canada. Many girls would continue to operate privately, outside the law, and keep all the money. Some would opt to go and work in a place where they advertise and attract a customer base, provide security, scheduling/reception and other amenities, and they would pay a portion of their earnings for that. If there was nothing of value provided, chances are they wouldn't do it.
To say that NOTHING is provided by the brothel owner seems off to me.
hb
Jenny
02-06-2008, 05:26 PM
Jenny, I would respectfully disagree with both the brothel owners assertion, and yours, that without the law nobody would work for the brothel owner. I believe it would be subject to market forces...some girls would work out of their homes and some would use hotels, and some would do their own advertising etc. But there would be some prostitutes who would go to a place that's all set up for prostitution to take place, and would trade off their independence and control of their business for demonstrable client flow, and simplicity. And they would pay what they consider to be a reasonable commission for this.
Well of course it would be subject to market forces. So who do you think would be willing to pay 50% of their earnings for a place to serve clients? Particularly when one or two hours of those earnings would pay for a month of your own and several months shared? My point is that market forces ARE NOT dictating this outcome. This is not an issue of a legitimate business manager versus running your own business; this is, like I said, an issue of a legislated parasite. Unlike spas which provide a variety of services for clients and thus provide a different marketing rationale, brothels - like I said, bring nothing to the table to the client or the woman. It is a useless third party.
Like JZ, I have no knowledge of the brothel business. I doubt if it works much differently than other businesses though.
Well it does when it is legislated into existence, doesn't it? Like if the government passed a law saying you could only buy butter and not margarine or margarine derivatives, butter is not really working on the same playing field anymore, is it? Like if in order to work, you HAVE to work for these people, it is working differently than other businesses that people can choose or choose not to patronize.
Lets say, they made a law tomorrow legalizing prostitution in brothels only in Canada. Many girls would continue to operate privately, outside the law, and keep all the money. Some would opt to go and work in a place where they advertise and attract a customer base, provide security, scheduling/reception and other amenities, and they would pay a portion of their earnings for that. If there was nothing of value provided, chances are they wouldn't do it.
That would be doing exactly what they do in Nevada, which is legislating parasitic brothels into existence. What exactly is your point; if you legislate parasitic relationships... parasitic relationships will happen.
I'm not sure how much you know about laws regarding prostitution in Canada; we effectively do the opposite. We have very strict laws - some say irrationally strict - about pimping and living off the avails and bawdy houses; outcall prostitution is legal. The rationale behind it is largely about the women in the industry. See in Canada the concern (such as it was) was for the prostitutes; not the pimps.
To say that NOTHING is provided by the brothel owner seems off to me.
hb
It seems off to you because it is a market failure; it defies your ability to say "well the parties agreed". That hardly makes it untrue.
hockeybobby
02-06-2008, 05:53 PM
Well Jenny, I'm utterly persuaded. I've changed my mind and I now agree with you entirely.
BTW I didn't know that outcall prostitution was legal. I was under the impression that any offer of sex for money was like right out. Thanks for pointing that out. Frankly, I wish they'd just legalize and regulate it all...both Countries.
hb
Jenny
02-06-2008, 06:19 PM
Well Jenny, I'm utterly persuaded. I've changed my mind and I now agree with you entirely.
Really? That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.
BTW I didn't know that outcall prostitution was legal. I was under the impression that any offer of sex for money was like right out. Thanks for pointing that out. Frankly, I wish they'd just legalize and regulate it all...both Countries.
hb
Everyone thinks that - I'm not really sure why. Okay - if you don't want to hear a lot more on this... stop now. I prefer the term "decriminalize" because "legalization" is generally the passing of a lot of exceptions to activity that is still generally illegal. And I am strongly, strongly, strongly - can I say even more strongly? - against the government regulation of prostitution outside of the normal standard regulation of any business (like, I see that they should have to pay taxes).
In Canada it is illegal to communicate in public for the purpose of prostitution; it is illegal to run a brothel and it is illegal to live off of the avails. Prostitution itself is legal and unregulated - and check it out - the sky hasn't fallen. Canadians are not a nation swimming in infectious disease. Canadian property still has value. Small Canadian children are not growing up dreaming of being prostitutes. It's all working out even without regulation. Seriously; regulation of prostitution qua prostitution is the equivalent of regulating people's bodies; there is a strong position, that absent demonstrable and compelling reason, that invading people's privacy and physical autonomy is bad.
Really? That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.
Oh really? What about the time I said you have really cute freckles? I mean, I think that is way more complimentary. hockeybobby is really starting to piss me off. He is becoming too suave for his own good. I need to come up with a reason to ban him.
FBR