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hockeybobby
02-06-2008, 07:03 PM
Well I suppose Jenny, by regulated, I mean as you say "standard regulation of any business". Whatever seems reasonably appropriate for the activity. Perhaps it could even be self-regulated like doctors. As long as the sex workers and their customers were safe...what's the problem. Paying taxes goes without saying, and that is something that will never happen without legalization or decriminalization.
It just seems like such a waste of time and resources for our law enforcement agencies to be concerned about the sex trade. I feel the same way about some of the recreational drugs too. When are we going to grow up about these things?
hb

hockeybobby
02-06-2008, 07:08 PM
Oh really? What about the time I said you have really cute freckles? I mean, I think that is way more complimentary. hockeybobby is really starting to piss me off. He is becoming too suave for his own good. I need to come up with a reason to ban him.

FBR

Hey...how did you know she's got cute freckles? You know you've been really pushing my Jenny button lately.
hb

Lapaholic
02-06-2008, 07:13 PM
Um. No. I'm sorry, but just... no. Claiming that an absolutely and irremediably parasitic relationship that has been legislated into existence for the advantage of men and the detriment of women is okay because people are still working under it is just the worst possible reasoning in the world. ...

Is this true?? I mean - I agree that the 50/50 split is not fair, but the owner could be a woman too right? Nothing in the law stops a woman from being a parasitic owner. I dont get the feminist ( oh god, who do I sound like?? ) rage against brothel owners ( who could also be women ) .. I mean lets rage against the establishment, the bourgeoisie - u know power to the people and all that. ( I was trying to read the NEvada Law - but that was way more confusing then reading a Jenny post /:O :P )

( Btw a very interesting thread....)

FBR
02-06-2008, 07:16 PM
Hey...how did you know she's got cute freckles? You know you've been really pushing my Jenny button lately.
hb

I was about to answer your question but noticed that you removed my quote from your signature. That quote meant a lot to me. So now I think I will just let you stew on the freckles question.

FBR

FBR
02-06-2008, 07:18 PM
( Btw a very interesting thread....)

Agreed. Lots of differing opinions.

FBR

Jenny
02-06-2008, 07:27 PM
The laws were passed actually specifically to benefit male brothel owners. No, nothing is preventing women from being parasitic owners; they just don't tend to be, and the laws were therefore not set up for them - this structure is not coincidence. If pimps were women I'd bet you that the brothel laws in Nevada would not look the way they look now. The rage is primarily labour related; the feminist part is peripheral.
Is this true?? I mean - I agree that the 50/50 split is not fair, but the owner could be a woman too right? Nothing in the law stops a woman from being a parasitic owner. I dont get the feminist ( oh god, who do I sound like?? ) rage against brothel owners ( who could also be women ) .. I mean lets rage against the establishment, the bourgeoisie - u know power to the people and all that. ( I was trying to read the NEvada Law - but that was way more confusing then reading a Jenny post /:O :P )

( Btw a very interesting thread....)

hockeybobby
02-06-2008, 07:34 PM
I was about to answer your question but noticed that you removed my quote from your signature. That quote meant a lot to me. So now I think I will just let you stew on the freckles question.

FBR

Oh...so you're going the Snubbery route eh? Well two can play that game, I'm not even going to post this response. If I did post it, I would point out that you're quote was taking up important sucking-up space in my signature, but you'll just have to guess about why I removed it now.
You're snubbed.
hb

hockeybobby
02-06-2008, 07:34 PM
DOH !

Lapaholic
02-06-2008, 09:07 PM
The laws were passed actually specifically to benefit male brothel owners. No, nothing is preventing women from being parasitic owners; they just don't tend to be, and the laws were therefore not set up for them - this structure is not coincidence. If pimps were women I'd bet you that the brothel laws in Nevada would not look the way they look now. The rage is primarily labour related; the feminist part is peripheral.

So r u saying ... that if a woman ran the brothel, she would not take a 50% cut...? And r u saying that the laws are constructed in such a way as to benefit male owners vs female owners. OR are u kinda objecting to prostituion in general, as a way men dominate woman... I have to tell ya, u have me confused which is not very hard to do.

Or should I just agree with u and shut up?

Jenny
02-06-2008, 10:29 PM
What I'm saying is that brothels tend to be run by men, and that the laws were set up in a specific way because of that.

Are you trying to say that the sex trade is gender neutral? Like "it just happens to be that most of the brothel owners/manager are male and it just happens to be that the women working there are female and it just happens to be that the customer happen to be male?

AudreyLeigh
02-06-2008, 11:10 PM
I considered working at the Bunny Ranch. I was actually set up to work but didnt show up. I went to NY instead ;D Anyway...

I thought the 50% was a lot but then again I thought about how much I would have after the 2 weeks rather than how much Im not getting (what theyre taking). I believe this thinking of the girls is what keeps them working.

ALee
02-07-2008, 01:39 AM
I just don't get it, seems some think it is alright to run a brothel, but taking a 50% cut is wrong?

If you sell a $1000 holiday, of course your commission isn't going to be $500, why because the market is so competitive, and for that $1000 the client can go to another travel agency and get better value plus a free breakfast everyday at his hotel or maybe free entry into a theme park

Now, let's put this in prospective

You book a WL for 1 hour at a legalized brothel venue, you pay for straight sex no additional services like oral, anal, toys, just plain out straight sex. The client might like that look of girl, might like the convenience of a legalized brothel venue in knowing that the PL isn't going to bust down the door and arrest him, his name isn't going to get ruined along with his reputation. He is typically buying a service, now as this service isn't as on demand or as available in abundance (legally) as a holiday trip (as mentioned above) there is little or in some cases no competition. It isn't like the client purchasing sex is going to go up the road or local shopping mall and find a porn star who is happy to fuck his brains out for named price and have the peace of mind that his doing legally, so there is lack of competition, which typically allows for the service provider and the service providers' utility supplier to name a price. As the utility supplier is the one who has put his name up for the reputation, put his credit on the line and possibly made many gambles and huge risks in opening the business (the business being a legal venue to which a sex worker and client can exchange money for legal sex, with out the fear of public retribution and a whole lot more) The business owner has put a huge (and normally calculated risk) gamble on the business, now this is what that 50% commission is paying for! It may be making his ass a rich one, but do you think that it was all a walk down the footpath? Nope, he would have had public retribution for legal sex from many forms including media, local, state and federal, he would have had many initial law suits against him, he has basically paved the way for the sex workers so they can also share in the profit. The brothel owner is the one who has put everything on the line, and I don't know any business deal that is done where there isn't profit to be made, at the end of the day, it is a business, it must make money, it must be self caring, it must pay the bills. The bigger the risk, the bigger the pay off

50% isn't that much when you consider that obviously the sex workers have named their hourly rate, I would assume that the brothel would double it and divide into 2 (50/50 split) The sex workers have it easy compared to what the brothel owner could and usually had of gone through to get the venue!

Say if the venue was to break a law tomorrow and it was forced to shut down, what the business owner needs to know is that financially it was all worth it, as at the end of the day, business is business and business brings profit, no matter if you are a fat slob who doesn't deserve it or whether you are the most deserving person in the world!

What makes a business deal in a brothel any different to one that is made in a travel agency?

Lapaholic
02-07-2008, 07:39 AM
What I'm saying is that brothels tend to be run by men, and that the laws were set up in a specific way because of that.


I know that the sex trade is not gender neutral - im trying to understand how the law is establishing a class of people based on gender. That is what u r saying? But it seems to me that the law just allows a brothel to exist and it so happens that men tend to be brothel owners. The law itself is neutral. ( I am gonna look to see who owns brothels... I will report back what i find. )


Im not sure how it is different than say a realtor. A realtor ( a licensed real estate agent) is a prostitute ( in my example). BUt a realtor cannot sell ( in most states ) unless they work for a broker ( the pimp - a licensed real estate broker), as this is controlled by licensing laws Now Im sure you know realtors and brokers get a split of the commission for the sale of a house. Not uncommon for that to be a 40/60 or 50/50 split realtor/broker ( prostitute/pimp )...

I guess then im wondering if u r not just raging against the industry and the gender inequality and not so much the law. I mean there is a brothel for sale right now and u could buy it. U could be that madame ( hmmm i beginning to doubt the gender inequality as a say this?!?!) with a heart of gold!!!! A place that only attracts nice guys who spend with reckless abandon.

R u sure u dont just want me to shut up and agree w/ u?

Jenny
02-07-2008, 08:44 AM
I know that the sex trade is not gender neutral - im trying to understand how the law is establishing a class of people based on gender. That is what u r saying? But it seems to me that the law just allows a brothel to exist and it so happens that men tend to be brothel owners. The law itself is neutral. ( I am gonna look to see who owns brothels... I will report back what i find. )
That's just naive. The law was created that way on the assumption (and the reality) that men owned the brothels. I mean you could say that laws that permit firing pregnant people are gender neutral; it just so happens that only women get pregnant, but that would be equally naive. Something can be facially neutral but still have non-neutral intent and effect.


Im not sure how it is different than say a realtor. A realtor ( a licensed real estate agent) is a prostitute ( in my example). BUt a realtor cannot sell ( in most states ) unless they work for a broker ( the pimp - a licensed real estate broker), as this is controlled by licensing laws Now Im sure you know realtors and brokers get a split of the commission for the sale of a house. Not uncommon for that to be a 40/60 or 50/50 split realtor/broker ( prostitute/pimp )...
Well
Difference one: you are licensing and controlling houses, not bodies. We tend to think bodies are special.
Difference two: there is a demonstrated need for consumer protection as property and real estate law and exchange is very, very complicated and very, very costly; the information costs alone are pretty substantial. This exchange is not.


I guess then im wondering if u r not just raging against the industry and the gender inequality and not so much the law. I mean there is a brothel for sale right now and u could buy it. U could be that madame ( hmmm i beginning to doubt the gender inequality as a say this?!?!) with a heart of gold!!!! A place that only attracts nice guys who spend with reckless abandon.
Again, you are approaching this system with a fairly naive point of view of what constitutes neutrality. Seriously; there is really no doubt that historically the laws were changed to benefit male brothel owners and consumers. Saying that women don't choose to be brothel owners doesn't change that. But just to put this to sleep: you are saying that the law is facially gender neutral and we should just accept that neutrality, right? Okay. What I'm saying is that the law is facially neutral (purely through coincidence in my opinion) but is not and was not intended to be neutral in its intent or effect. What I'm saying is well supported by how the brothels currently operate and by the historical lobbying for the law in the first place. Seriously - I know you guys love to characterize this as mindless rage, but I am not just making this up.


R u sure u dont just want me to shut up and agree w/ u?
No. You're free to be wrong.

Pamela
02-07-2008, 09:39 AM
Has anyone here watched the show? Heard Dennis talk (i don't care for him, that's just me) and actully chatted with a BR lady? Dennis does not take 50% of the cut!!!! He does expect the ladies to have sex with him, get tested monthly, NEVER go bareback. Yada yada yada.

The only reason i know about prices pretty much is because i have a male friend who has a regular out there. She pulls out her little book and prices in the line-up and CAN go lower if she wishes, (her loss) and adores Dennis, who (again) everyone thinks he gets half of their money.

I can get alot more info. about the BR.

Lapaholic
02-07-2008, 12:40 PM
Jenny .... I am merely disagreeing with your premise that men only are/were brothel owners ... unless u can back that up, i dont see how u can say i am wrong. I am not addressing the overall nature of the business - hence my realtor/broker example was about the financial arrangements when one has the governmetn sanction to do business ans the other does not..

THese local Nevada laws were passed to keep these brothels open and a state law was passed to keep them out of populated areas ( ie Las Vegas ) and to have regular health check ups for the workers.

I am not blind to the pimp/worker relationship and how twisted it can be - in fact I have a niece who got mixed up with and beaten by a pimp ( long story)... And I see u r saying the law established a de facto benefit for "male" owners because the owners were males. I just disagree with that premise.

U have a tendency to get a little heated, so Ill stop! Ill just disagree with ya ... u have a right to your opinion but right now thats all it is - as is mine...

FYI i did not mean to characterize it a mindless rage - I am just trying to understand ... sorry I piped in.....

bellasera
02-07-2008, 02:07 PM
Dennis does not take 50% of the cut!!!!
I can get alot more info. about the BR.

What does he take?

lestat1
02-08-2008, 12:34 AM
In Canada it is illegal to communicate in public for the purpose of prostitution; it is illegal to run a brothel and it is illegal to live off of the avails. Prostitution itself is legal and unregulated...

Can you describe the circumstances under which prostitution occurs in Canada in a legal way? That description sounds like it would make it very difficult from a practical standpoint to carry out the transaction legally. I think I'm missing a subtle nuance. /:O

Jenny
02-08-2008, 06:47 AM
You can take an ad out on craigslist and meet at a hotel/motel. For example. You're right, though - the laws are imperfect and have been enforced questionably and many would argue not always according to the policy and concerns that formed them; some jurisdictions are are more determined than others.

miabella
02-08-2008, 10:27 AM
prostitution is more equivalent to housecleaning and childcare-- also private, intimate work that is functionally impossible to eliminate or police usefully from a tax/criminal perspective.

Pamela
02-09-2008, 10:01 AM
What does he take?

Anyone who has worked there will tell. (or can't perhaps)

If you have worked with him for years and are a high producer you pay out less to him. A new girl gets less of a cut. But he has never taken 50% of a ladies money. I mean would you work for a ANY company that takes 50% out of your grand...hell no. Although he puts a roof over your head, you have to purchase your own toys (dildos etc) and rent a smaller recreational "toy" room as well.

Now this is all what i hear from my friend who can't keep his ass out of there. I talked to him the other day, and asked him. I wont name her, but she has been there years, and likes it fine. Dennis himself likes to have a piece of the pie, but i wont say if you fuck him often enough he gives a cut as well.

It's business mixed with pleasure! :O

OH i called for work. The woman wants a picture first....Um NO.

lestat1
02-09-2008, 01:50 PM
You can take an ad out on craigslist and meet at a hotel/motel. For example.
Oh gotcha. I was thinking far too broadly about a definition of "public" that would include the Internet. They mean more like "out on the streets" public. That makes sense.

Katrine
02-09-2008, 05:33 PM
OK.

If brothels are comparable to normal business models, 50% commission would not seem to be out of line.

Yup, that's the way my industry works. Sometimes the payout is even less than that.

flickad
02-09-2008, 11:17 PM
do some not get the principal of a business? I can't help but shake my head at some of the posts in this thread!

OK, so 50% maybe a little high of a cut, but you are able to set your own hourly rate and your able to work when you like, Dennis is treating the girls with respect, he is giving them anything and a little more, he is giving most of the girls a platform to which they can make their dreams and aspirations a reality, financially speaking

But, 50% is good especially given that you can choose your hourly rate, here in Australia, from what I understand, the brothels set an hourly rate, most of which is $300 an hour, and the girls are getting $150 an hour and by the sounds of it, this is a standard rate, some places you can book out for 30 minutes at a time, this means that the girls are being paid $75 for sex!! This is horribly low amount of $$, but no-one knows the wiser

So in prospective, I really think that Dennis is giving the WL more then anywhere else has to offer!

The thing is, though, Nevada legislation requires that the women live in at the brothel whilst working, meaning you can not go home from work and your life is far more restricted than it is if you are a working girl who performs shift work, as is done in Australia. Additionally, from what I've read, the women are unable to leave the brothel or refuse to see a client. The illegality of prostitution across most of America additionally drives up prices.

EDIT- I want to add how much I admire the intelligence and eloquence of your arguments, Jenny, and not only in this thread either.

sun child
02-10-2008, 07:00 AM
At the BR and other brothels the working girls are encouraged to negotiate a very high price and slowly go down on the price. You don't have to do anything you don't want to. Even if a guy has a paltry sum he can still negotiate and get something. My friend tells me of a story of a guy who brought in 200 dollars and wanted anal! She gave him a lap dance for the 200. The brothel does take half and the working girls pay about 20 dollars a night to stay in the brothel.

Yes, taking 50 percent does seem fucked, especially when that is the only legal model of business available to prostitutes in the United States, but it is possible to command much higher prices in a place like the BR than on the internet or street. Dennis DOES take 50 percent.

Also, you decide after negotiation (which is being listened in on by the manager, who is likely female) how much time you are going to spend with your customer. You write this down without his knowledge when the customer pays. If you tell your customer an hour, you are instructed to write down 45 minutes. If you tell your customer 30 minutes, you are instructed to write down 20 minutes.

The model is flawed but it works for some.

miabella
02-10-2008, 09:26 AM
i hope you're not saying the BR sanctions explicit customer theft?

sun child
02-10-2008, 10:43 AM
Yes, it's true.

miabella
02-10-2008, 11:20 AM
that's pretty stupid, to write it down and have it be an explicit policy like that. it's pretty shady anyway, but as an unwritten rule, it could be passed off as 'oh i didn't know the clocks were fast' or something, etc. can't easily get around 'oh, we tell the girls to shortchange everyone on their time as a standard practice'.

sun child
02-10-2008, 11:32 AM
I think it's pretty wild too.

CuriousSeeker
02-10-2008, 12:27 PM
He does expect the ladies to have sex with him,

This is a rule? As in, if you're not ready to sleep with Dennis, forget about working there? I thought he just pursued some women who worked there who he was interested in (not that I think that's a great practice).

CuriousSeeker
02-10-2008, 12:30 PM
Yup, that's the way my industry works. Sometimes the payout is even less than that.

Total news to me. Is this just the BR or are other brothels like that? How little are some workers paying out if not the 50%? I thought 50% was completely routine.

london
02-10-2008, 09:27 PM
Flickad,

BR is one of the few ranches which does NOT have a mandatory lockdown. Meaning, women sign up for certain shifts and if they live in the area, they do not have to 'live in' and can go home after every shift if they so please. If a working girl has her own means of transportation she can go most anywhere( except to bars/etc) unchaperoned. It IS somewhat discouraged to run around town, however, and drivers are available to assist girls who are off-shift if they need to run errands. In general, "lock-down" and limited transportation measures cut down on the probability that a working girl tries to procure work for herself off of the brothel's property, which could pose liability problems for the brothel in the future amidst public outcry.

The mandatory stay at BR is one week. Again, less than the typical brothel, which is 2 weeks. Because most women do not live near the BR, they pay a set house fee per night to live there and have meals provided for them.

You ARE allowed to walk (refuse)a client; you are never forced to see someone and it is only between you, your wallet/bank account, and the woman listening in to the negotiations as far as what you end up agreeing to or walking the patron on. The 'house' takes 50% of what your patron agrees to pay for your time and you can sell your time from 7 minutes on up.
All of this information is google-able and that whichis specific to BR is what I have gathered via communicating with working girls in passing as well as researching brothel sites/message boards.

CuriousSeeker
02-11-2008, 03:56 AM
I believe the Wild Horse is exactly the same way from what the workers have said and the message boards. It's not just the houses themselves, but also the rules of the county, I believe? Don't the southern counties enforce the lock-down, like the Chicken Ranch?

flickad
02-11-2008, 05:47 AM
Flickad,

BR is one of the few ranches which does NOT have a mandatory lockdown. Meaning, women sign up for certain shifts and if they live in the area, they do not have to 'live in' and can go home after every shift if they so please. If a working girl has her own means of transportation she can go most anywhere( except to bars/etc) unchaperoned. It IS somewhat discouraged to run around town, however, and drivers are available to assist girls who are off-shift if they need to run errands. In general, "lock-down" and limited transportation measures cut down on the probability that a working girl tries to procure work for herself off of the brothel's property, which could pose liability problems for the brothel in the future amidst public outcry.

The mandatory stay at BR is one week. Again, less than the typical brothel, which is 2 weeks. Because most women do not live near the BR, they pay a set house fee per night to live there and have meals provided for them.

You ARE allowed to walk (refuse)a client; you are never forced to see someone and it is only between you, your wallet/bank account, and the woman listening in to the negotiations as far as what you end up agreeing to or walking the patron on. The 'house' takes 50% of what your patron agrees to pay for your time and you can sell your time from 7 minutes on up.
All of this information is google-able and that whichis specific to BR is what I have gathered via communicating with working girls in passing as well as researching brothel sites/message boards.

Oh, I didn't know this. I read a number of books about brothels in Nevada, all written several years ago, and they each tended to indicate that American brothels have some prison-like qualities across the board.

Mr Hyde
02-11-2008, 07:45 AM
Has anyone here watched the show? Heard Dennis talk (i don't care for him, that's just me) and actully chatted with a BR lady? Dennis does not take 50% of the cut!!!! He does expect the ladies to have sex with him, get tested monthly, NEVER go bareback. Yada yada yada.

The only reason i know about prices pretty much is because i have a male friend who has a regular out there. She pulls out her little book and prices in the line-up and CAN go lower if she wishes, (her loss) and adores Dennis, who (again) everyone thinks he gets half of their money.

I can get alot more info. about the BR.

That guy who owns the place, Dennis, comes off on the HBO show like a complete and total assclownish example of douchebaggery. He acts like he's some sort of sex god. Fat bastard. I think it would be hilarious to watch the girls on that show line up and take turns kicking him in the nuts.

london
02-11-2008, 01:58 PM
Hey, flickad!

The southern brothels have more of a lockdown policy and the women are not permitted to leave the site until their 2 weeks are over (unless they end up wanting to leave early and not finish out the 2 weeks they signed on for). This is more to appease the local residents; the hosting city often receives a good amount of revenue from the business the brothels bring in, which gives them a precarious relationship one with the other. The reason why the citizens do not put up too much of a fuss apart from financial standpoint is because the brothels enact strict limits on the working girls so that they remain as 'out of sight, out of mind' as possible.

Many of the cities which house these brothels are cities with a small population and there is no big urban space for the working girls to simply blend into. In the eyes of the small-town citizens, there is too much of a possibility of working girls' creating a public nuisance by openly soliciting outside of sanctioned premises. The counties which have a large population (Clark County (Vegas) and Reno do NOT allow brothels/legal prostitution.

So, basically, it is not so much that the brothel owners get a kick out of limiting the freedom of movement of their workers, it is the agreement that the local authorities have made with the brothels in order to allow their presence with minimal outcry from local residents.

BunnyBabe
02-11-2008, 06:25 PM
ok i guess i should clear up a few things. We are ALL indpt. contrac. here. We set are own prices for EVERYTHING. And for a 50/50 cut its not bad. We really do get everything. We get to go on cruises,to the mall, we get VIP passes all the time to things. there is so much to list. Dennis really does give us a great heel to stand on. He has launched soooo many girls dreams of becoming big in the adult industry. Take Air force amy and Eden 38DD look at them now bringing in millions. Some girls retire by 30! and as far as lock down we are free to leave any time we need to work are shifts but we are aloud to leave at night or day. there is no new girl lock down here

This honestly is the best job i have ever had the girls for the most part are great, and dennis is not a pimp. He puts that 50 cut back into the houses to update them and look nice. or to travel and talk about the bunny ranch which brings in more clients for us. Bunny ranch by far is the best brothel you can work for. We are safe and happy!

BunnyBabe
02-11-2008, 06:27 PM
That guy who owns the place, Dennis, comes off on the HBO show like a complete and total assclownish example of douchebaggery. He acts like he's some sort of sex god. Fat bastard. I think it would be hilarious to watch the girls on that show line up and take turns kicking him in the nuts.




well you do not know dennis in person he loves all the girls and takes GREAT care of us! Its a damn show the edit it how they want to. But dont judge till you have met him. if it was not for him taking me in i would prob be homeless.

BunnyBabe
02-11-2008, 06:30 PM
At the BR and other brothels the working girls are encouraged to negotiate a very high price and slowly go down on the price. You don't have to do anything you don't want to. Even if a guy has a paltry sum he can still negotiate and get something. My friend tells me of a story of a guy who brought in 200 dollars and wanted anal! She gave him a lap dance for the 200. The brothel does take half and the working girls pay about 20 dollars a night to stay in the brothel.

Yes, taking 50 percent does seem fucked, especially when that is the only legal model of business available to prostitutes in the United States, but it is possible to command much higher prices in a place like the BR than on the internet or street. Dennis DOES take 50 percent.

Also, you decide after negotiation (which is being listened in on by the manager, who is likely female) how much time you are going to spend with your customer. You write this down without his knowledge when the customer pays. If you tell your customer an hour, you are instructed to write down 45 minutes. If you tell your customer 30 minutes, you are instructed to write down 20 minutes.

The model is flawed but it works for some.


she is comp right!

Yekhefah
02-11-2008, 06:35 PM
Dennis really does give us a great heel to stand on. He has launched soooo many girls dreams of becoming big in the adult industry.... He puts that 50 cut back into the houses to update them and look nice. or to travel and talk about the bunny ranch which brings in more clients for us.... if it was not for him taking me in i would prob be homeless.

Still sounds exactly like every other pimp! He takes more than half your money so you have structure and a nice roof over your head, maybe provides you with a little entertainment, and then he goes on vacation and travels. If that's not a pimp, then what is?

Casual Observer
02-11-2008, 07:05 PM
^ Hard to argue with that logic, really...

Yekhefah
02-11-2008, 09:14 PM
Well, honestly. Nothing wrong with him being a pimp if everyone's happy, but let's call a spade a spade here. BunnyBabe sounds like every other hooker talking about her "daddy" and how "he takes such good care of his girls"... as far as I can tell he's a pimp just like any other pimp.

miabella
02-11-2008, 10:52 PM
i would like to know how bunnybabe justifies cheating the customers as WRITTEN brothel policy.

flickad
02-12-2008, 12:11 AM
Hey, flickad!

The southern brothels have more of a lockdown policy and the women are not permitted to leave the site until their 2 weeks are over (unless they end up wanting to leave early and not finish out the 2 weeks they signed on for). This is more to appease the local residents; the hosting city often receives a good amount of revenue from the business the brothels bring in, which gives them a precarious relationship one with the other. The reason why the citizens do not put up too much of a fuss apart from financial standpoint is because the brothels enact strict limits on the working girls so that they remain as 'out of sight, out of mind' as possible.

Many of the cities which house these brothels are cities with a small population and there is no big urban space for the working girls to simply blend into. In the eyes of the small-town citizens, there is too much of a possibility of working girls' creating a public nuisance by openly soliciting outside of sanctioned premises. The counties which have a large population (Clark County (Vegas) and Reno do NOT allow brothels/legal prostitution.

So, basically, it is not so much that the brothel owners get a kick out of limiting the freedom of movement of their workers, it is the agreement that the local authorities have made with the brothels in order to allow their presence with minimal outcry from local residents.

Oh, I hadn't thought it was necessarily because of the procilivities of the owners. The material I'd read seemed to suggest, as you say, that it was puritanism at work.

xdamage
02-12-2008, 12:23 AM
....You write this down without his knowledge when the customer pays. If you tell your customer an hour, you are instructed to write down 45 minutes. If you tell your customer 30 minutes, you are instructed to write down 20 minutes....

Sadly (or not) this adds validity to the stereotype that sex-work, and underhanded business goes hand in hand. And if BR represents the best example of an upscale, upright establishment, it is little wonder that the stereotype holds up. Of course you are just the messenger, so nobody is shooting you... just saying, for good reason customers and society have another reason to see brothels as shady/underhanded places.

sun child
02-12-2008, 01:02 AM
No shit, dude.

sun child
02-12-2008, 01:12 AM
alright bunnybabe...I don't know what "comp right" means.

also, mia, chill the fuck out. it's not a written policy, it's called a "hooker hour" — and I really don't see why you're so upset. It's not necessarily ethical, but what do you expect? If it's not affecting your life, then maybe you should chill.

Lena
02-12-2008, 01:40 AM
I think she meant "completely right."

miabella
02-12-2008, 02:33 AM
alright bunnybabe...I don't know what "comp right" means.

also, mia, chill the fuck out. it's not a written policy, it's called a "hooker hour" — and I really don't see why you're so upset. It's not necessarily ethical, but what do you expect? If it's not affecting your life, then maybe you should chill.

if it's required that they keep a record of unethical business practice in a legally regulated business, there's a problem.

it would be a different thing if it wasn't written down, and wasn't standard practice for the brothel.

you're wrong about 'hooker hours': escorts are as likely to do a 'long hour' of ~70mins as they are to do a 'short hour' of ~45mins in the wild (independently). it can go in either direction. same as there being some dancers who hang out through part of the next song along with dancers who bolt five seconds after the song is done.

it would be like a club where the managers told you that you had to overcount your dances to keep working there. and made you write down your overcounts each night.

it's just rude and potentially actionable.

sun child
02-12-2008, 04:00 AM
It's required that they keep a record of unethical business practice in the brothels? What would this encompass? I'm interested to know. Like I told you, it's not written down. And you can't compare the brothels to the services that escorts offer on the internet. Most internet escorts are reviewed (in detail) so the customers know what to expect; yeah, they might go to 70 minutes to increase the chances they'll get a good review. And yeah, any escort "in the wild" is not going to do a 45-minute session if she wants to get repeat business. It's obvious it could go in either direction. At brothels, though, there is a specific time limit, and after that time limit is up, it's time to upsell, meaning to sell another "party" of some sexual activity.

I'm not agreeing with their policy of cutting short the time. The girls don't really give a fuck if they are ripping off a client. However, I disagree with your analogy of a club where they make you overcount your dances and write down your overcounts. In that, it's not documented that the girls cut the time short.

Their rationale is "no one has ever complained."

Who would take action? A group of irate johns?