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CuriousSeeker
03-01-2008, 05:28 PM
Thanks, sun child. Your info has been insightful.
sexynsweetSF
03-04-2008, 05:37 PM
does it stay in your record that you were a "prostitute" at a brothel in Nevada since you have to get a license and sheriffs card to work at Bunny Ranch?
CuriousSeeker
03-04-2008, 11:40 PM
^I know that in Storey County (Mustang, Wild Horse), it simply says "entertainer." I think that's what dealers also have on their licenses?
sashabunny
03-05-2008, 04:13 PM
,,,,,
sexynsweetSF
03-05-2008, 05:09 PM
so does that stay in your record when your applying for a real job and they do a background check?
sashabunny
03-06-2008, 02:42 PM
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needtodance
06-14-2008, 02:42 AM
I'm really curious for newer info on this, and a comparison between differnet brothels. I'm really thinking about doing it.
THe website for Sheri's looks lovely... but if the income potential and stress level of the fines and higher ups are that great.... I don't really know where to start researching.
CuriousSeeker
06-14-2008, 10:24 PM
^I have a friend who worked in 2 brothels in NV (not Sheri's, btw). Her view: one person's experience of fines and stress levels is not another person's. She said it depends primarily on whether you're prone to certain behaviors that will get you fined (e.g., being habitually late to line-up, drinking too much and being outlandish in the parlor/bar, etc.).
august
06-15-2008, 08:14 AM
I worked there for two weeks in Febuary during the worst snow storms
that closed the main roads, it was so slow that time of year. I ended up after
paying my plane ticket, medical expense and buying a liscense and paying the
house fees coming home not even breaking even and quitting a really good job
after falling under the illusion of making the big bucks after I watched the HBO show. Some girl do make great money, they are very young, or very excellent
outgoing salewomen. You need to be very aggressive, you are in a line up with
over twenty women.
CuriousSeeker
06-15-2008, 09:10 PM
I ended up after paying my plane ticket, medical expense and buying a liscense and paying the house fees coming home not even breaking even and quitting a really good job
I have to wonder what percentage of women who try it have this kind of experience, or just break even, or make exactly what they would have made in their prior employment.
Have you had any bad effects in job-hunting from having this experience "on your record"?
gemlikeflame
06-16-2008, 01:21 AM
THE BUNNY RANCH is the biggest scam around for desperate girls who are easily suckered or misled. First of all, it is located outside of Carson City, and is quite a distance from Reno. The location is in the sticks, there is nothing there, and the only people that come in are hicks once in a while. The girls are so desperate to pay for their rent, they do it for cheap. The only person getting wealthy is Denis Hoff. Also, they do not allow you to pick and choose your customers; in other words, if a guy comes in with $150 you have to service him, making $75. It is tiny inside, a set of trailers, and the girls do drugs like they're going to die tomorrow. Meth, coke, everything on top of drinking like fishes when they are not doing drugs in their rooms or in the halls. Even Hoff says he smokes pot. The reason they allow the girls to do drugs on site is because the workers permit is different than in the brothels in southern Nevada, and it specifies that it is the girls' responsibility to abstain from drugs rather than the brothel's. So if the girls get caught, it is their penalty and not that of the business.
Plus, the place reminded me a bit of an insane asylum. One regular girl there has three felonies and several misdemeanors, she crashed her BMW into a video store twice while high on soma muscle relaxants and alcohol, she boasts- she is a train wreck. [Name Removed] has manic depression and has been fired before for doing drugs, which seems like an impossible feat. One regular girl and I had a two girl party upon her insistence, I thought she was going to try to get more money out of the guy but we ended up doing it for $75 per girl, and I was surprised at the end. She is an ex-programmer and said she is there because she couldn't stand the stress of her job, she makes almost as much as she made before, she told me. Dennis Hoff's girlfriend has either no self-esteem or brain it seems, she talks to everyone while staring at the floor, giggles with a hand over her mouth and apologizes for every other word. However, it seems like she may be the only one who isn't on hard drugs. One regular girl is a meth addict. Another regular is addicted to heroin I think and has also been let go before, which again, is very hard to do. Most of the others do meth, coke, pot, and I have seen all of that, because they are not afraid of getting caught. It's a depressing atmosphere. I worked there for a week a year and a half ago and I couldn't stand it anymore. Apparently, there are some big spenders, Santa Claus or Jesus will arrive once in a blue moon to make up for the boredom, or maybe just some better drugs, but I saw no evidence of that and for me, it wasn't worth it.
Also, I think most potentially good customers are afraid to come in since it is so heavily advertised, for example, Sean Hannity was doing an interview with the girls while I was there. The following week they were filming for Cathouse, and the girls were expected to do that for free. I made $250 during my week of work at this place reminiscent of a mental hospital. I was easily one of the best looking ones there BUT here's the catch - the guys only pick the fat, ugly ones from lineups because they have little money to spend.
If you want to be deceived in one of the most misogynistic, unfair businesses there is - give it a try. Also, most of the new girls go to the Bunny Ranch II down the road, and that is even worse if you thought the first one was bad. Personally, I think someone needs to call Hoff out on his business practices and his recruitment of naive girls who come from all over the county hoping to get wealthy and end up working at Bunny Ranch II, having sex for $50 and leaving with barely enough money to get home. Dennis Hoff is also a huge jerk, very manipulative, arrogant, and probably a sociopath.
:-)
august
06-16-2008, 09:10 AM
Have you had any bad effects in job-hunting from having this experience "on your record"?
I have not had any luck finding a job, but I live in Michigan and it has one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation. On background check I don't think thery focus on public liscenses as much as Criminal background checks. Everything is fair game though ,so they could I suppose. Wish me luck finding a job I need it:)
gemlikeflame
06-16-2008, 09:26 AM
I am also from Michigan, I currently live in southern California. Nothing is on my record, I would not ever list stripping on job applications. It would not come up on background checks, mine is completely clear. If you want to try the brothel business to leave Michigan, which is exactly what I did, I recommend Sheri's Ranch. It is an hour from Vegas. When I worked there, it was really good, but when I made a third trip, I left early because it was so slow and decided not to return again. However, it is much classier than the Bunny Ranch, and there are no drugs.
In fact, I will be going to UCBerkeley to finish my bachelor's degree in English as I was accepted for next spring. Unfortunately, I notice that Sheri's Ranch is on my credit report, but most people do not know what that is and I think most employers would not pull a credit report. You can always say that you bartended there briefly if something should come up, which is unlikely. I would not worry too much about that, however. You can also say that your boyfriend was supporting you who had a good job, or that you were a freelance writer or photographer or etc., you need not list work experiences that you wouldn't want others to know about.
As far as business licenses or workers permits, that is something only that each individual county can pull. Clark and Nye counties have different licenses than the counties in northern Nevada, for example. There is no way that other counties can access that information, and Michigan would not know anything about it, either. Sheri's Ranch is in Nye county and Las Vegas is in Clark County. Plus, licenses expire, you have to get it renewed every 30 days in Northern Nevada to work at the Bunny Ranch, for example. I do not think the counties keep information on file for extended periods of time. :-)
CuriousSeeker
06-16-2008, 09:13 PM
Wish me luck finding a job I need it:)
Lots of luck! I'm sending good vibes!
I notice that Sheri's Ranch is on my credit report...
That's really unexpected, is it not?
In fact, I will be going to UCBerkeley to finish my bachelor's degree in English as I was accepted for next spring.
Excellent - congrats!
Re your BR story: wow. Just wow. I've heard stories all across the board about the BR and other ranches. I wrote an article some time ago about what the series Cathouse meant culturally in terms of acceptance, what the experience of the work could mean with that acceptance, whether it could ever be mainstreamed like strippers have been to a large extent. I'm questioning every single thought I've had about it. One consistent thing though: it's really a mixed bag in people's reactions to their stay.
[I was having a less positive day obviously when I had this conversation ... and I'm reluctant to post it ... but I feel it's honest]
And honesty is a big deal with this topic. I think it's important to discuss different angles, including the quality of life issues that could come out of this decision. I'm sorry your friend was feeling bad - I hope she's not being rough on herself.
A quick threadjack on honesty, money, scams and sex-related work: overall, I feel like there is undercurrent pressure for people in the sex industry to elevate their earnings, and the greater the stigma for that line of work, then the greater the pressure to plump earnings. So far, in my brief stint into stripping (I'm a mere tourist lol!), that's what I'm resisting: I've been honest with folks in my life about what I'm making. It's less money than the numbers that they (and I) have heard are there for the taking, but it was still worth it to me as a second job to get to my goal. I'm still not sure what to say to folks who were surprised that I wasn't making $700 every night lol. I can only imagine that the pressure is way higher in a job that requires more contact.
xoxoGracexoxo
06-17-2008, 08:35 AM
Thanks to sashabunny and gemlikeflame for being honest about your experience! I have occasionally considered this line of work, and this is nothing like the information I had before.
There IS a lot of pressure to inflate numbers as a sex worker, and to paint a rosy picture of one's experiences. This can be misleading for people on the outside, who often only hear stories about having fun and making tons of money. So thanks for being honest.
CKXXX
06-17-2008, 01:23 PM
How many customers would you say you serviced(is that the right word??) per day? On average? Do you HAVE to work every day or can you take off when you want? What happens if you get a yeast infection or something like that? Or just dont feel well?Do you still have to work scheduled days or something?
I've thought about this...but because of health issues I couldnt deal with a months worth of sex acts all day every day when I wasnt feeling well...I'd be in way too much pain and too exhausted. And the no drugs policy..does that count prescriptions too? I"m on quite a few a day..a cpl of which are considered controlled substances and people do take them to get high...but I actually need them(and no I dont get to get high off them...no fun for me. Woudl they take those away too or would I have to hide them?
Do you have your own room or do you share with other girls?
Thanks for your info and honesty.
Sophia_Ashley
06-17-2008, 06:42 PM
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06-17-2008, 06:48 PM
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06-17-2008, 06:54 PM
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CuriousSeeker
06-17-2008, 10:57 PM
For the record I never did anything I didn't want to do. Including the celebs that were comped (yes they don't pay) (yes you make 250)
Regardless of what they wanted, you still had to perform for $250? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the level of negotiation power you possessed here?
A good hooker never has to fuck. :)
Meaning you could command good fees for lesser contact, like hand jobs?
Sophia_Ashley
06-17-2008, 11:07 PM
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paddington2004
06-18-2008, 09:14 PM
The difference between the Bunny Ranch and dancing is the fact that high $$ clientelle is pretty much a guarantee at the ranch. (They have a friggin heli-pad for christ's sake! If you have enough money to land a private chopper at a brothel, you are definately loaded.)
I think if you are okay with doing it, you are gonna have a lot more cash in your pocket.
VegasPrincess
06-18-2008, 09:49 PM
Umm...I have a question for everybody who worked there, and please nobody flame me:
I have type B Herpes. It's the kind you get from oral sex, it is not as bad as gential herpes. I have not had an outbreak in nine years, and in fact I only had one outbreak.
Would that disqualify me from working at a brothel?
miabella
06-18-2008, 09:57 PM
do you mean hsv-1? hepatitis is done a/b/c.
herpes b is an animal-based virus. pretty much if people get it, they die.
VegasPrincess
06-18-2008, 10:10 PM
^^^
Oh, oops, I guess I do. It's the kind that you get from oral sex. Like, not to be graphic, but you get it if somebody has a cold sore and goes down on you...as oppossed to getting it from somebody who has genital sores...
miabella
06-18-2008, 10:45 PM
the girls who do porn can chime in if i have wrong info, but most people have hsv-1 (not primarily genitally transmitted), and porn/brothels test for/care about hsv-2, which is way less common and primarily genitally transmitted.
VegasPrincess
06-18-2008, 11:04 PM
^^
Oh cool! Thank you much for the info!
Sophia_Ashley
06-19-2008, 12:40 AM
just hiv, syphillis and VD. I swear on everything.
Jenny
06-19-2008, 05:56 AM
What's VD? I thought it was "venereal disease". Am I showing my age here?
cherry_sin
06-19-2008, 10:21 AM
^If I am right, there is a "VD test" at the clinic I go to - it's only for syph, gonorrhea, and chlamydia. Not HPV, HIV, Hep, any of that stuff.
seraya
06-19-2008, 12:04 PM
What's VD? I thought it was "venereal disease". Am I showing my age here?
^If I am right, there is a "VD test" at the clinic I go to - it's only for syph, gonorrhea, and chlamydia. Not HPV, HIV, Hep, any of that stuff.
Yea you are both right.
What happened to Chrissy? Is she still here (under a new name)?
CuriousSeeker
06-19-2008, 02:54 PM
I have type B Herpes. It's the kind you get from oral sex, it is not as bad as gential herpes. I have not had an outbreak in nine years, and in fact I only had one outbreak.
Would that disqualify me from working at a brothel?
I've never heard of a brothel worker being tested for HSV-1 or HSV-2 and any strain of HPV, though I bet if there were visible warts, that would be another deal altogether.
I recall Jenny Lane posting on the BR board that they definitely are not tested for HPV.
They have a friggin heli-pad for christ's sake! If you have enough money to land a private chopper at a brothel, you are definately loaded.
I wouldn't take it at face value, much like anything in this business. Some commentators (http://www.rebeccamead.com/2001/2001_04_23_art_reno.htm) have suggested not so subtly that it's one of Hof's PR innovations, sort of a prop to give the impression of whales, celebrities, and $10,000 parties being a regular thing:
Just inside the Bunnyranch's main gate is a patch of concrete signposted "Helipad," but one of Hof's maintenance workers told me that she had never seen it used, and that the piece of ground was once the site of a septic tank.
While I have no idea what the average worker makes, I still doubt that these figures (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1141743&postcount=361) are plausible.
Nevada's statute on disease testing:
NAC 441A.800 Testing of prostitutes; prohibition of certain persons from employment as prostitute.
1. A person seeking employment as a prostitute in a licensed house of prostitution shall submit to the State Hygienic Laboratory in the Division or a medical laboratory licensed pursuant to chapter 652 of NRS and certified by the Health Care Financing Administration of the United States Department of Health and Human Services:
(a) A sample of blood for a test to confirm the presence or absence of human immunodeficiency virus infection (HIV) and syphilis; and
(b) A cervical specimen for a test to confirm the presence or absence of gonorrhea and Chlamydia trachomatis by culture or antigen detection or DNA probe.
I believe (a) happens every month (or at the start of each new tour?) and (b) happens weekly.
TigersMilk
06-19-2008, 03:20 PM
What happened to Chrissy? Is she still here (under a new name)?
I don't think she came back.
MeanGirl
06-19-2008, 06:44 PM
No she's not on anymore. :( She is doing well though :)
Sophia_Ashley
06-20-2008, 12:38 AM
The test that's blood is monthly. Not at the start of a tour just when the mark happens.
As far as VD I meant Clap and the "Drip" ..Not hpv or herpes. Or warts. Those tests are done at either at the walk in or at the brothel at the dr's office inside.
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CuriousSeeker
06-20-2008, 07:54 PM
Sheri's ranch blows all the brothels out of the water. Hands down.
Do you feel that out of all the brothels, Sheri's was the most respectful of workers' rights/working conditions?
Aubreyyy
06-21-2008, 12:59 PM
I'm interested about Sheri's ranch as well. I've never done this but kinda interested....kinda. I'd have to wait til next Feb though b/c I'm only 20.
CKXXX
06-21-2008, 02:54 PM
not true. anyone who isnt a prude has hsv 2.
im sick of people believing that porn/sexworkers are all super squicky clean people who never get stds and are therefore superior to all of us. so sick of it. they are humans just like the rest of us. they are just as, if not more likely to get any and all stds
Not necessarily..I'm FAR from a prude and I dont have it(yes I get tested for it)
I'm starting to wonder why you have such a serious attitude against other sex workers...this isnt the first thread you've been a bit bitchy when it came to escorting or porn or whatever...it isnt pretty.
CKXXX
06-21-2008, 04:10 PM
hmm if it wasnt for sex workers it would be a lot easier for all of us to make lots of money doing very very little work. nowadays guys dont want to pay 500 bucks to talk in the champagne room because they know they can get an anal threesome for less money. sad :-(
1) strippers are considered sex workers
2) hookers have been around forever..worlds oldest profession and all that...it isnt them or porn thats causing the money decline unless they are doing it in the club..there IS an economic decline on our hands you know
3)attitude is still not pretty.There are quite a few girls here that do sex work other then stripping...webcam,porn,escorting,private toy parties...the list goes on and on..so that bitchy attitude isnt going to go over well here.
CKXXX
06-21-2008, 04:26 PM
yet a few years ago strippers were making bank doing stage only. i dont think its the economy. prostitution has become more widely accepted and girls are willing to do more and more for less and less money. iff we all refused to do anything but stage then men would have no choice but to pay us for that. instead since there are plenty of girls willing to go above and beyond, for very little money, it is harder to get men to spend money on us unless we are sucking their cock, and even then they want to be cheap as hell about it.
Yes, a few years ago gas wasnt $4 and up a gallon..the economy has gotten worse. Girls doing more IN the club..or even setting up OTC to meet custies outside..hurts business. Not girls doing other jobs elsewhere alltogether.
And even a few years ago many places werent stage only..I know here, I made the bulk of my money doing dances even in 2000 when I started. Some areas arent big money for stage.
And again...not liking girls who do extras ITC is one thing..having an attitude against ALL other sex workers is not ok.
Jenny
06-21-2008, 04:32 PM
Hi Everyone.
Guess what? This is "other work" and since strippers are sex workers, much of the "other work" they migrate into is going to be... other sex work. That means escorting, porn and phone sex. If you find it unpalatable please avoid the threads. Let's please stay on the topic of providing information, not trading judgments.
CKXXX
06-21-2008, 04:38 PM
^^ Thank You!!
Sophia_Ashley
06-21-2008, 11:46 PM
Hi Everyone.
Guess what? This is "other work" and since strippers are sex workers, much of the "other work" they migrate into is going to be... other sex work. That means escorting, porn and phone sex. If you find it unpalatable please avoid the threads. Let's please stay on the topic of providing information, not trading judgments.
Thank you.
Well I contributed as much as I'm willing to on the board.
:)
miabella
06-22-2008, 12:44 AM
yet a few years ago strippers were making bank doing stage only. i dont think its the economy. prostitution has become more widely accepted and girls are willing to do more and more for less and less money. iff we all refused to do anything but stage then men would have no choice but to pay us for that. instead since there are plenty of girls willing to go above and beyond, for very little money, it is harder to get men to spend money on us unless we are sucking their cock, and even then they want to be cheap as hell about it.
that was never standard everywhere strippers were in america. not even in the 90s. i know plenty of texas strippers who claim to have lapdanced long before the 90s, as an example (they were pretty happy to bust out with that when i was quoting otherwise from SW). some areas had that halcyon stage-only deal going on with high stage tips, but it wasn't everywhere, even pre-internet porn.
ivy league stripper is actually instructive here. she did foxy-boxing and 10 dollar no contact dances, and made 400-600 a shift and was on the low/med end in the 90s. she considered guys regulars (of hers, not the club) who spent maybe 100$, sometimes quite a bit less. she also worked when there were fewer clubs and waaaay fewer girls.
the girlcount is the main thing. pre-9/11 particularly, there were just way fewer girls showing up, and it mostly after that where clubs saw they could earn a profit off just the girls rather than drink charges (and so started in with the housefees majorly).
VegasPrincess
06-22-2008, 10:01 PM
the type you get from oral would be type 1
the type from genital is type 2.
there is no A or B
Type B would mean you have type 2 which is genital herpes, and no the brothels dont give a shit so long as you're not HIV positive. it would be ridiculous for a place that sell sex to turn girls away because they have any type of herpes. they would have no workers!
Thanks for the info...just to clarify, I have type 1. I got it (this is stupid and embarassing) when I was a virgin. Yep, my "high school boyfriend" went down on me when he had a cold sore. (he didn't know about it we were like 14) Imagine my chagrin to find out I got an STD that way lol...
VegasPrincess
06-22-2008, 10:04 PM
Yes, a few years ago gas wasnt $4 and up a gallon..the economy has gotten worse. Girls doing more IN the club..or even setting up OTC to meet custies outside..hurts business. Not girls doing other jobs elsewhere alltogether.
And even a few years ago many places werent stage only..I know here, I made the bulk of my money doing dances even in 2000 when I started. Some areas arent big money for stage.
And again...not liking girls who do extras ITC is one thing..having an attitude against ALL other sex workers is not ok.
Right on sista...When I started dancing in 2000 also, I made money on stage but most of my money has ALWAYS come from lap dances...and also, I agree...we are all sex workers, want to face it or not, even dancers who don't do extras are still sex workers (and I fall into that catagory lol)
While there are appropriate and inappropriate places to do prostitution work, it is all still sex work, nonetheless.
Jenny
06-23-2008, 08:56 AM
Thanks for the info...just to clarify, I have type 1. I got it (this is stupid and embarassing) when I was a virgin. Yep, my "high school boyfriend" went down on me when he had a cold sore. (he didn't know about it we were like 14) Imagine my chagrin to find out I got an STD that way lol...
I actually thought that genital herpes was the only herpes to be considered an STI. I mean - everyone has the oral herpes, and the majority of people got it when they were children from nothing to do with sex. I mean, chicken pox, hand warts, shingles - all herpes viruses that have nothing to do with sexual transmission.
CuriousSeeker
06-23-2008, 03:58 PM
While there are appropriate and inappropriate places to do prostitution work, it is all still sex work, nonetheless.
That is how I have always understood the definition as well.
ivy league stripper is actually instructive here. she did foxy-boxing
Is that nude boxing?
miabella
06-23-2008, 05:07 PM
nope. you box with very little on, but it's not nude/topless (particularly not at the time she did it).
VegasPrincess
06-24-2008, 12:34 AM
I actually thought that genital herpes was the only herpes to be considered an STI. I mean - everyone has the oral herpes, and the majority of people got it when they were children from nothing to do with sex. I mean, chicken pox, hand warts, shingles - all herpes viruses that have nothing to do with sexual transmission.
Type 1 is a more common strain of the virus that is more mild, IE the common "cold sore" which is really a polite term for herpes lol. You can get on on your cooch tho, if somebody goes down on you and they are getting a cold sore.
Same way Type 2 is a more severe strand of the virus and is normally transmitted through your naughty no no parts, but let's say somebody you're going down on has type 2 herpes...you can get that in your mouth then...
If you have the pleasure (which I hope nobody here ever does, it blows) of having a herpes outbreak, your doctor will swab it and tell you which variety you were lucky enough to contract.