View Full Version : For all of you who think pinkies are such hardliners on hooking . . .
SportsWriter2
10-11-2005, 07:58 AM
I'm an old-fashioned whore who thinks that kissing is too fucking intimate to do with a paying player. Save it for your fucking SO. (Sorry. It's a pet peeve of mine lately.)
Oh yeah, my favorite dancer line: "I don't even do that with my boyfriend." Ever see a dancer DFK while she's getting off? It's beautiful. But maybe the SO doesn't really want to know what a little freak she is. Think of it in terms of intimacy packages A and B.
Sometimes you need to tell someone about negative life experiences, but you don't want the SO to think you're really messed up. Dancers have access to anonymous "friends" with life experience. Likewise, if the SO wouldn't want a submissive freak, she finds an outlet to avoid rejection in real life.
Nicolina
10-11-2005, 08:51 AM
Likewise, if the SO wouldn't want a submissive freak, she finds an outlet to avoid rejection in real life.
Sporty, DFK is hardly some weird kinky sex practice...I don't get it.
The only SO I ever had who wouldn't kiss me was the psycho BF who took all my money.
dlabtot
10-11-2005, 09:43 AM
Sometimes you need to tell someone about negative life experiences, but you don't want the SO to think you're really messed up.
If you can't tell your SO what the hell is going on in your life, it's time to split up and find someone you can share with.
SportsWriter2
10-11-2005, 12:55 PM
Sporty, DFK is hardly some weird kinky sex practice...I don't get it.
I have never met a dancer, 18-22, who DFKs during orgasm in real life. It's more intensity (for her) than the average BF wants. Plus it usually involves a submissive trigger he doesn't even know about.
If you can't tell your SO what the hell is going on in your life, it's time to split up and find someone you can share with.
If you're a dancer, 18-22, your BF is probably not The One. So you're not going to tell him everything, because it's just more he can use against you when he betrays you. Most of them split up within a year. Dancers know it's not much different than the "regular cycle" in the club.
evan_essence
10-11-2005, 01:13 PM
I was specifically speaking about OTC relationships--and not just an occasional dinner date with possible play-for-pay. I was talking about guys who desperately want to gain access to "the real you," and become involved with your real life. I can't tell from your post whether you've experienced this or not.I understand what you were addressing. I didn't know I had to list my personal experiences to have a viable observation, but okay. (Why do I go into volunteer mode like this when I know I really don't have to? Here we go; I prove myself to be an even bigger bytch than before.) Until May, my OTC relationships were very infrequent. Faced with a desire to have some cash cushion and seek a new job at the end of summer because of a changing political climate (now delayed), I spent the summer as a busy girl OTC. I was busy partly because of my new M.O. but the opportunities developed partly from happenstance I think. None of it involved sexual contact.
You say that you can't sort out an obsessive guy from a non-obsessive guy, but I just don't believe you. From what I read here, you're incredibly astute. I'm betting you can tell the difference between someone who's really emotionally vulnerable and obsessive and slightly delusional and someone who is more casually interested in you for companionship and/or sex.That's not exactly what I said. I said it's difficult discerning degrees of obsession. Specifically, yeah, I can tell the fucker with a lovelorn stare bringing me flowers and a cheap necklace ITC is obsessive. I try to stay away from the ones who I think will become dangerous in their level of involvement.
What I can't seem to tell with any degree of certainty is who isn't likely to become obsessive when OTC is introduced into the equation. A guy who I think seems to understand the reality of the OTC scenario winds up becoming obsessive, or alternatively, perhaps not obsessive but increasingly unrealistic. Sometimes it's not even an expectation to fall in love or have sex but the unrealistic view that you should start doing more for less or that you have no other life but to be at his beck and call 24/7 like you're 911. The very act of OTC seems to increase the probability of this happening. I tend to assume the degree of any customer's unrealistic expectations is destined to increase. There've been a few exceptions but I assume they're not the rule. So I "prescreen" for risk of dangerous inappropriate behavior, but not potential heartbreak.
I guess I'm just more comfortable selling my body/physical interaction versus selling my mind/emotional interaction because the latter feels (obviously) like it has more to do with my "real self"/"soul." All of this could just stem from the fact that I'm not a very talented actress. Or liar.The contrast between us on this is interesting. I think of having sex as on a higher spiritual plane than the elements of a relationship underneath it. If the USDA had a relationship pyramid for this stuff, I'd arrange it so sex was the epitome. That's my ideal hierarchy. So it seems harmless to me to role play the stuff on the lower levels for money, stopping short of the sacred epitome. That's why I have trouble relating to anyone's ability to sell sexual intercourse in a way that's detached from what I consider the spiritual intensity between the two people performing it. I'll abstain from telling the tale of the three men I did sell "spiritual intensity" to, but it suffices to say, that was a different time in my life, it was chock full of internal emotional drama, and I was no saint then and still am not now.
One last thought: Pretending to like someone you don't particularly like isn't really a big deal. Pretending to love someone you don't love is something I just can't do--just the thought of it makes me queasy.For the record, I don't think of it as pretending to love anyone, but rather, play acting as if there's potential to have a relationship when we both know there isn't one and isn't going to be. I think I'm up front enough at the beginning about being paid for my company that no other clue bus need be driven over the customer to indicate that this is an extension of the play that goes on inside the club.
-Ev
SportsWriter2
10-11-2005, 02:57 PM
The contrast between us on this is interesting. I think of having sex as on a higher spiritual plane than the elements of a relationship underneath it. If the USDA had a relationship pyramid for this stuff, I'd arrange it so sex was the epitome. That's my ideal hierarchy. So it seems harmless to me to role play the stuff on the lower levels for money, stopping short of the sacred epitome.
Ev, the USDA food pyramid has changed. The food groups have vertical bands on one face of the pyramid (the taper of the bands means nothing. Fats and oils (sex to you) are no longer at the top of a hierarchy. See
Denise Austin (former sports girl, now sports MILF) is the one on the exercise face of the pyramid.
To me, the meat band is sex. :P
Nicolina
10-11-2005, 03:58 PM
Ev, thank you very much for sharing. :)
I didn't know I had to list my personal experiences to have a viable observation, but okay.
You didn't, of course, but I really appreciate the fact that you did. I don't know why I spill my guts here, either...but I do. :-\
What I can't seem to tell with any degree of certainty is who isn't likely to become obsessive when OTC is introduced into the equation.
Ah, I see. Since I've generally avoided these situations, I don't have as much insight into this, I guess...
Sometimes it's not even an expectation to fall in love or have sex but the unrealistic view that you should start doing more for less or that you have no other life but to be at his beck and call 24/7 like you're 911.
That's exactly the kind of phenomenon to which I was referring. I've seen it happen with friends of mine...and just watching it made me pretty uncomfortable.
The very act of OTC seems to increase the probability of this happening.
That makes sense.
So I "prescreen" for risk of dangerous inappropriate behavior, but not potential heartbreak.
I understand. I guess I sort of feared that heartbreak might in fact lead to the potential for dangerous inappropriate behavior....plus, it would, honestly, make me feel bad. (But, then again, I have some serious Guilt Issues....)
The contrast between us on this is interesting. I think of having sex as on a higher spiritual plane than the elements of a relationship underneath it. If the USDA had a relationship pyramid for this stuff, I'd arrange it so sex was the epitome. That's my ideal hierarchy. So it seems harmless to me to role play the stuff on the lower levels for money, stopping short of the sacred epitome.
Wow, Ev...That really is interesting. I really do sort of feel the exact opposite. Probably cause I'm fucked up. I'm pretty sure your view would be considered more healthy....
That's why I have trouble relating to anyone's ability to sell sexual intercourse in a way that's detached from what I consider the spiritual intensity between the two people performing it.
Well, I'll certainly agree that it isn't a particularly pleasant experience overall. That's why I say that there's a big difference, for the service provider, between lapdancing--even in a medium-mileage environment--and doing the deed for cash. The former was thoroughly enjoyable; the latter, not so much....
(And really, I'm not even sure why I brought the conversation into this territory in the first place, because my original comment actually did refer to doing PSE vs. GFE ITC, if in somewhat hyperbolic terms. Oh well...It was an interesting can of worms, anyway.)
For the record, I don't think of it as pretending to love anyone, but rather, play acting as if there's potential to have a relationship when we both know there isn't one and isn't going to be. I think I'm up front enough at the beginning about being paid for my company that no other clue bus need be driven over the customer to indicate that this is an extension of the play that goes on inside the club.
Of course, I wasn't referring specifically to your behavior when I said any of that. I was just trying to explain the kind of thing that I found too distasteful to do.
Frankly, though I understand people pretty well, I have absolutely no confidence in my ability to manipulate them, or to otherwise influence the behavior of others. This makes me wary of getting into complicated emotional situations. If someone is interested in sex-without-strings, I find that far simpler to provide than some sort of nebulous emotional fulfillment.
However, I am quite sure that you are well equipped to handle your own interactions. I hope I didn't make you feel bad with anything I said. You've helped me to understand your perspective on this (which is, I'm sure, shared by a lot of women in the industry). I always appreciate a deeper understanding of these issues....so....Thanks! :)
-Nic
SportsWriter2
10-11-2005, 05:38 PM
The contrast between us on this is interesting. I think of having sex as on a higher spiritual plane than the elements of a relationship underneath it.
Wow, Ev...That really is interesting. I really do sort of feel the exact opposite. Probably cause I'm fucked up. I'm pretty sure your view would be considered more healthy....
Nic, you're not fucked up. I think both views are equally healthy, because they "manage" varying sets of life experiences.
I'll do anything a dancer likes if she tells me her reasons and it's safe. I've heard some life experiences I would never have imagined. Childhood religious beliefs make a big difference in how people feel guilt and process experiences. I try to understand what's reserved for a "higher spiritual plane" and respect that choice.
Nic and Ev, I have never seen a discussion on SW/SCJ that was more enlightening. You've probably validated a lot of diverse experiences by being open, honest and highly perceptive. :)
FBR, let me just say that, even if you're a little bit in love with Miss D, I don't think you fall into the category of customer I'm speaking of. You seem to be able to keep things in perspective.
Thank you for the kind words, Nic :) I'd be lying if I didn't say that "perspective" is a moving target but bottom line, I'm a realist ;)
You accept the relationship on her terms, and I don't think you want her to be your best friend. You're right...that would never work. OTOH to the extent that either of us can be helpful without creating a personal life clusterfuck, we do so. I've given her a lot of advise (hopefully good) regarding the politics at her job. She's helped me out too. For example, I've had some problems dealing with my health insurance carrier. Fuckers have brass balls in terms of what they are willing to pay for. So happens that Miss D has a very good friend that works at said carrer in the Claims Department. She hooked us up and after a few emails and faxes, problem solved. That works in our situation because its behind the scene.
You like the companionship and the sexual interaction, but you seem to respect her emotional (and physical) boundaries. She seems, in turn, to have a genuine affection for you.
Indeed I do... like both very much, that is :) Can't say I will never tweak the physical boundaries a little bit :P but thats about it. The emotions are carefully stored in canning jars down in the cellar. If a famine hits, they might provide life saving sustenance but right now seems like were both living comfortably in the proverbial land of plenty.
FBR
evan_essence
10-12-2005, 03:22 AM
Denise Austin (former sports girl, now sports MILF) is the one on the exercise face of the pyramid.Speaking of prostituting oneself for tubers. ::)
Yes, mine was a bad analogy. I had heard about but hadn't seen the change until you shared it. I see the USDA cleverly altered the presentation to a database calculation so individualized and a graphic so non-descript that the information is now obfiscated to the point that it can't effectively be used to educate anyone about how harmful some foods are in anything but negligible quantities.
And you thought strippers were cagey and disingenuous.
-Ev
evan_essence
10-12-2005, 04:22 AM
I understand. I guess I sort of feared that heartbreak might in fact lead to the potential for dangerous inappropriate behavior....plus, it would, honestly, make me feel bad. (But, then again, I have some serious Guilt Issues....)Shhhh. You're successfully poking holes in my carefully constructed facade which covers up my actual intent to emasculate all men. <conjure>You boys didn't read that.</conjure>
Wow, Ev...That really is interesting. I really do sort of feel the exact opposite. Probably cause I'm fucked up. I'm pretty sure your view would be considered more healthy....Why, yes. Yes, it is. For all involved. So all men report to me immediately, and be sure to bring your wallets... er I mean identification. So I can notify your next of kin if there's an unfortunate accident.
Well, I'll certainly agree that it isn't a particularly pleasant experience overall. That's why I say that there's a big difference, for the service provider, between lapdancing--even in a medium-mileage environment--and doing the deed for cash. The former was thoroughly enjoyable; the latter, not so much....That's a critical element, isn't it? Why should I do that (whatever that is) if I don't enjoy it?
Of course, I wasn't referring specifically to your behavior when I said any of that. I was just trying to explain the kind of thing that I found too distasteful to do.It's all good, my sistah. We're both after the same thing really. To make men bow down before us like the curs they are. <conjure>You boys didn't read that.</conjure>
However, I am quite sure that you are well equipped to handle your own interactions.Yes, remember I'm not simply projecting perfection for the fiction that is this forum. I actually am as collected, mentally balanced and high functioning in real life as my persona projected here and in the club. With the proper medications, that is.
I hope I didn't make you feel bad with anything I said.No, not at all. Bitch. :P
You've helped me to understand your perspective on this (which is, I'm sure, shared by a lot of women in the industry). I always appreciate a deeper understanding of these issues....so....Thanks! :)Hey, no problem. The deeper you go in, the more stimulation for me. 8) <conjure>You boys read that and got off on it.</conjure>
-Ev
MeganS
10-15-2005, 06:46 AM
Hmmm, the first three pages were interesting, but after that, everyone "talks" too damn much! Hookers rule!
Jenny
10-15-2005, 10:34 AM
Megan - all appropriate affection and all, but you actually just make a post to tell everyone that they were boring? Damn. That's just cold.
I thought the talking was awesome (although I do think that Ev and Nic actually are largely agreeing with each other, in a round-a-bout sort of way. Or at least not disagreeing with each other. In a round a bout sort of way). It's a message board. Without the talking it's just a bunch of girl posting pictures and a bunch of guys... ahem, LOOKING at them, and suddenly Pryce is making a profit... and now I should stop typing. Because I like the message board and I don't think I'd fit in at the online porn exchange.
SportsWriter2
10-15-2005, 11:32 AM
Hmmm, the first three pages were interesting, but after that, everyone "talks" too damn much! Hookers rule!
Love your ass, Megan, but I thought Nic and Ev offered a lot of insights on pages 10-12. JV hookers rule! :)
NVJosh
10-15-2005, 02:13 PM
Since posting about owning a brothel on the pink site, I've gotten several (no more than 1/2 a dozen) inquiries regardng the environment, if we were hiring, what can they make, etc. Frankly, I couldn't tell you who was inquiring because I didn't check that closely. None of them were names I recognized. It does seem that there is a desire from some of these women to take the activies they are willing to do in a SC into an environment where they can do them without the dangers of being busted and with many fewer health risks. I don't question their motivations, because that's really none of my business. I have a manager who knows the business much better than me to make those decisions.
mr_punk
10-15-2005, 05:22 PM
There is this one guy who is a regular at my club and is the talk of the town, so to speak. He wears the same shorts every visit (slippery shorts that resemble bicycle riders shorts but not quite as tight) with no underwear, or so I hear. He brags about his attire to the dancers (calls them his club shorts ) The dancers bitch and dis him as a pervert and yet the carpet is about worn out from his trips to the LD area with willing dancers. Go figure LOLLOL...despite their tales of disgust and protestation amongst each other. i'm sure some of those same strippers urge him to splooge in his shorts during a LD. never underestimate the greed of your fellow man.
At the end of the day, its still pay-to-play.exactly.
Nah... actually I was thinking more of a guy like laplover69 in that "Dancer Guilt" thread. Sad. No wonder he doesn't post over here; you guys would demolish him!i took a look at that thread and i will say this; he wasn't the only guy in that thread i would put into that category. i suppose, it's lucky for you ladies that kind of customer is so busy building a pedestal for you. they never realize you have feet of clay until after their wallets are cleaned out.
Actually, you're quite right. I didn't DFK when I was turning tricks, either. I'll say it again: I'm an old-fashioned whore who thinks that kissing is too fucking intimate to do with a paying player. Save it for your fucking SO. (Sorry. It's a pet peeve of mine lately.)that is old-fashioned, but i hope that still means you gave an old-fashioned PSE type performance instead.
evan_essence
10-16-2005, 04:56 AM
Hmmm, the first three pages were interesting, but after that, everyone "talks" too damn much! Hookers rule!Yeah, it's really taxing to have to use some brainpower to read and respond, isn't it? I was hoping we could limit the discussion to how horny you are and which boys wanted to volunteer to do something about it. ::)
-Ev
Mastridonicus
10-16-2005, 10:22 AM
Evan, I only have eyes for your avatar!
:swoon:
Gypsie, Tramp or Theive? :D
Personally, I like that big sexy brain of yours! :lick:
heheh. Don't throw rocks because I am beautiful.
All Good Things
10-16-2005, 11:35 AM
Love your ass, Megan, but I thought Nic and Ev offered a lot of insights on pages 10-12. JV hookers rule! :)
Amadeus made a passing reference to the "borderline brilliant" dancers on pink recently, but over here on blue, our chicks are beyond brilliant, to say nothing of clever, insightful, funny and brutally honest. Talented writers, to a chick. And erotic as hell.
And Lord God Almighty, how is it that every last one of them just has the finest ass in all of Christendom? Well, no, wait, that title actually belongs to one in particular, of course, but you get my point....
Amadeus made a passing reference to the "borderline brilliant" dancers on pink recently, but over here on blue, our chicks are beyond brilliant, to say nothing of clever, insightful, funny and brutally honest. Talented writers, to a chick. And erotic as hell.
And Lord God Almighty, how is it that every last one of them just has the finest ass in all of Christendom? Well, no, wait, that title actually belongs to one in particular, of course, but you get my point....
TOO, you, sir, are a suck up ;) After that comment, if you dont get some OTC set up with them (and subsequent HG reports of course) your status will fall mightily :P
LOL Seriously, I agree that most of the dancers that post in Blue regularly are excellent writers and bring a lot more to the party than a case of Dom. It really is more interesting when SCJ isnt 100% male...too much of a Roman bathhouse flavor. Witness the MrP/Jenny intercourse...I mean interchanges ;) Thats good stuff for the most part. I just wish they would do it and be done with it :P
FBR
Mastridonicus
10-16-2005, 11:55 AM
LOL Seriously, I agree that most of the dancers that post in Blue regularly are excellent writers and bring more to the party than a case of Dom.
FBR
You realize that, you're not complimenting there? right?
You realize that, you're not complimenting there? right?
What did you say?
Just kidding, Mast. It truly was a compliment. Blue Baller Dancers Rule!
FBR
Mastridonicus
10-16-2005, 12:06 PM
Yea, but comparing them to be greater than a cheap six pack aint exactly conveying that.
Another beer for you sir. On me!
You fixed it! You BASTICH! Now I look like a fool.
HE WAS COMPARING SAID PEOPLE TO BEER FOLKS. CHEAP BEER HE SAID.
Yea, but comparing them to be greater than a cheap six pack aint exactly conveying that.
You took it out of context LOL and being Mast, you just wanted to start some shit :D
Another beer for you sir. On me!
And since I mentioned "cheap" Im sure all I'll get is Old Milwaukee. I hope you at least tip the waitress ;)
You fixed it! You BASTICH! Now I look like a fool.
I dont know exactly what happened but there was this "EDIT" button on my screen :P And if I was a real BASTICH I would have deleted it all and started over LOL
HE WAS COMPARING SAID PEOPLE TO BEER FOLKS. CHEAP BEER HE SAID.
Being a man of humble roots who has succeeded in life, a cheap beer drunk brings back fond memories.
FBR
Mastridonicus
10-16-2005, 02:32 PM
FBR
I love you!
Oh, and listen to what JZ says after this! He is a god among men, after all!!!!!
All Good Things
10-16-2005, 09:40 PM
TOO, you, sir, are a suck up ;) After that comment, if you dont get some OTC set up with them (and subsequent HG reports of course) your status will fall mightily :P
Let's see, I have 493 messages in my PM box, and only 487 posts on the entire site. I must be doing something right. ;)
Moneywise
10-21-2005, 04:41 AM
awww too bad. That little exchange had me so primed to post my favorite kung fu catfight picture. ;D
Just for the record, and this is on topic because it fall under the pinkie title although she would seem as more of a blue pink blend, KAT ROCKS.
plmoneysponge
10-21-2005, 07:49 PM
Maybe somebody pointed it out and I missed it, but once our poor little custies have their little spooges, all that lovely yearning that has been so carefully built up in them is gone. I prefer my custies always yearning and begging...desperately seeking what they will never get.
Unsatisfied custies are always the best spenders.
plmoneysponge
10-21-2005, 10:35 PM
I don't know if this qualifies as "hooking" or not, but once I let a really pathetic regular of mine watch my boyfriend fuck me for an hour. The regular was handcuffed to a table across the room. He paid $2K for this. We put on a great show for him and taunted him mercilessly. The poor boy actually cried. The money is in making these boys ache with desire, and they love it. That was the most fun I ever had making $2K.
We showed him the holy grail and then some.
xdamage
10-22-2005, 11:42 AM
I prefer my custies always yearning and begging...desperately seeking what they will never get.
Unsatisfied custies are always the best spenders.
Very very true.
Jenny
10-22-2005, 11:49 AM
PLMS - over the long term, I'm not sure either method is foolproof. I think that you'll get customers who get bored of being put off, get bored the specific girl or just get bored. On both hands you get customers who begin to want more for less - so unless you are actually saying, no baby, one more VIP and I'll give it up, and are pretty damn convincing I don't think the whole stringing them along is a winner. Over the short term, I really think that when the customer has actually fucked you, he will want to do it again. And he will believe "one more VIP and I'll give it up" because it has worked in the past. What you would have to do in that scenario is, simply, refuse to bargain - that way at least you don't start sliding down that slope.
I'm just saying - I don't think fucking your customers is going to lose them. I think customers get bored either way, and I really do think that kind of gratification will keep them around, not frighten them away.
Casual Observer
10-22-2005, 04:51 PM
The issue has been appealed to me by someone appealing to me, so I got out the mop and bottle of Lysol. It's cleaned more than I would've liked, but I couldn't unravel where it started to go south.
Just when I was getting used to self-moderation...so much for the thicker skins of the Blue Side.
LapOfLuxury
10-23-2005, 08:13 AM
Maybe somebody pointed it out and I missed it, but once our poor little custies have their little spooges, all that lovely yearning that has been so carefully built up in them is gone. I prefer my custies always yearning and begging...desperately seeking what they will never get.
Unsatisfied custies are always the best spenders.
Very very true.
Ha! Very, very untrue for me. The best way to keep me spending is to give me my money's worth on an ongoing basis. I don't believe in continuing to spend money on a dancer who's not giving me my money's worth in the hope that she'll get better. That sounds to me like a prescription for buyer's remorse.
Oh, I suppose I've made a few extra dance-buying attempts with some especially beautiful dancers (who weren't really giving me my money's worth) in the hope that things would improve. The gorgeous ones are always tempting. But I won't stick with that for long if things don't get better. I don't enjoy banging my head against a wall, and I don't enjoy buyer's remorse.
On the other hand, if a dancer makes me a satisfied customer on an ongoing basis, she might have me as a regular for years (and several have).
SportsWriter2
10-23-2005, 09:23 AM
Maybe somebody pointed it out and I missed it, but once our poor little custies have their little spooges, all that lovely yearning that has been so carefully built up in them is gone.
On the other hand, there are dancers who will cum in two songs, then want to hug you and drift off in your arms on a sofa. It doesn't cost much to be a Sandman Fucko. They don't even want drinks. :D
I do appreciate dancers who can crank up with you to higher and higher plateaus without getting off. But that's something you work on as friends.
doc-catfish
10-23-2005, 03:56 PM
Maybe somebody pointed it out and I missed it, but once our poor little custies have their little spooges, all that lovely yearning that has been so carefully built up in them is gone. I prefer my custies always yearning and begging...desperately seeking what they will never get.
Unsatisfied custies are always the best spenders.
It all depends on what the particular customer considers "unsatisfactory" If I was looking to get off from a lap dance, the best means of keeping me hooked would be to have a dancer make me splooge every so often, but not all of the time. Intermittent reinforcement I believe it's called. Slot machines pay off those petty little jackpots for a reason.
For the record, if a dancer doesn't have me yearning and begging, THAT is unsatisfactory. If she happens to pop me, well, that's an added bonus.
On the other hand, there are dancers who will cum in two songs, then want to hug you and drift off in your arms on a sofa. It doesn't cost much to be a Sandman Fucko.
I don't know about that Sporty. Remember this guy? Although I concede in this instance the dancer didn't get off.
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55501
SportsWriter2
10-23-2005, 04:25 PM
I don't know about that Sporty. Remember this guy? Although I concede in this instance the dancer didn't get off.
That guy never told us whether he had to pay, although everyone who commented assumed he did. I only let it happen on free sofas, which are slowly disappearing from clubs around here. What's up with that?
Katrine
10-24-2005, 10:57 AM
On the other hand, there are dancers who will cum in two songs, then want to hug you and drift off in your arms on a sofa. It doesn't cost much to be a Sandman Fucko. They don't even want drinks. :D
I do appreciate dancers who can crank up with you to higher and higher plateaus without getting off. But that's something you work on as friends.
Barf. I really wish you would retire that story Sport. I like almost everything else about you except for this myth you keep re-iterating to our tired eyes. Thanks for listening. :-[
xdamage
10-24-2005, 06:16 PM
PLMS - over the long term, I'm not sure either method is foolproof. I think that you'll get customers who get bored of being put off, get bored the specific girl or just get bored.
I have to agree with jen here. Either way eventually most normal customers will grow bored.
xdamage
10-24-2005, 06:25 PM
Barf. I really wish you would retire that story Sport. I like almost everything else about you except for this myth you keep re-iterating to our tired eyes. Thanks for listening. :-[
I assume dancers dont cum, no matter how good the acting.
SportsWriter2
10-24-2005, 08:03 PM
Barf. I really wish you would retire that story Sport. I like almost everything else about you except for this myth you keep re-iterating to our tired eyes. Thanks for listening. :-[
I like almost everything about you, too, except for.... I dunno, it changes but it's never a big deal.
Young dancers don't see the game the way PLMS does. They don't hustle because they really don't know how. They get too close to customers they like and feel comfortable with. They need to talk to someone about their lives, and they "open up" too much.
This afternoon I saw a former favorite, 20, for the second time in six months. We did 15 minutes of booth time. She said up front that she was depressed and couldn't cum, but she's always a good GFE no matter what.
Afterward, she asked if we could talk on a sofa. She curled up, legs over mine, hugging and lip kissing. She talked about nursing school for 20 minutes when she could have been making money. I listened, gave her some advice, and told her we could talk more next time, but I had to go.
I think we overlook this model of interaction in clubs, even though it's socially constructive. It doesn't fit the "all about money" model where you take someone for all you can get. :-\
mr_punk
10-24-2005, 11:01 PM
The best way to keep me spending is to give me my money's worth on an ongoing basis. I don't believe in continuing to spend money on a dancer who's not giving me my money's worth in the hope that she'll get better. That sounds to me like a prescription for buyer's remorse.no doubt. if some stripper can hustle some chump into coughing up more dough for a sub-par product in the hopes that things will get better. well, more power to her, but the sucker might as well take the money, place it in a pile and set it on fire with gasoline. the end result is the same.
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55501now, you have guys being suckered into paying to watching strippers sleep...what a sap.
I assume dancers dont cum, no matter how good the acting.which is why no customer should care in the first place.
Katrine
10-25-2005, 02:55 AM
Young dancers don't see the game the way PLMS does.
I think we overlook this model of interaction in clubs, even though it's socially constructive. It doesn't fit the "all about money" model where you take someone for all you can get. :-\
>:( Ok, enough. Unless you are the proud owner of a pussy and pairs of well-worn lucite heels, you can't tell me that the grass is blue when I figured out a long time ago that it's green. Those fake porn-star vaginas and stinky old platforms you bought off of dancers to sniff at home don't count. :D
I didn't walk into this game a seasoned pro. I was that 20-year old fresh babe in the woods dancer too. I spent too much time talking to customers. I never mouth kissed them though, but they certainly took liberties with me when I was too timid to tell them it was illegal and I hated it, and myself, for what was happening. REGARDLESS, I was always all about money, and so are all of these girls. After I realized what a fool I was for wasting my time, I didn't think, "oh, he's my daddy substitute and I still love him." I got smart, angry, took them for what they were worth, and left them to train the next batch of strippers on how to be cold-hearted ROB.
Young and naive and easily taken advantage of by pervs like you does not equate to charity work. >:(
plmoneysponge
10-25-2005, 03:44 AM
This afternoon I saw a former favorite, 20, for the second time in six months. We did 15 minutes of booth time. She said up front that she was depressed and couldn't cum, but she's always a good GFE no matter what.
Afterward, she asked if we could talk on a sofa. She curled up, legs over mine, hugging and lip kissing.
Wow. This is like an exact copy of me at 20.
I would lay out on the beach in Mailbu in my tiny bikinis (looking better than you can imagine) and getting hit on by these absolutely gorgeous rich 20 something surfers and assorted successful creative hollywood types that lived on the beach. But they just repulsed me with their looks, money, charm, and perfect bods. I ended up so lonely , depressed, and sexually frustrated that I turned to the aging dumpy clueless smelly 50-somethings in the strip club for my much needed affection and sexual satisifaction. It's amazing how many other totally hot young girls feel the same way, isn't it? I felt so guilty taking their money, with all the wonderful orgasms I was having. I never saw any of those Malibu guys in the strip club. They were no doubt intimidated by the competition. Thanks for being there for us Sporty. :P
SportsWriter2
10-25-2005, 05:15 AM
I ended up so lonely , depressed, and sexually frustrated that I turned to the aging dumpy clueless smelly 50-somethings in the strip club for my much needed affection and sexual satisifaction.
I got smart, angry, took them for what they were worth, and left them to train the next batch of strippers on how to be cold-hearted ROB.
Ms Sarcastic and Ms Angry, archetypes of the 25-29 pro class who have stayed in the subculture, very different from the 18-22 community college class who will move on....
Kat, I have never purchased used dancer clothing or whatever. That was gratuitously grumpy. I respect dancer limits and turn down extra offers that aren't safe. I'm sorry guys "took liberties" with you when you were 20, but that's not me.
:-\
Jenny
10-25-2005, 11:58 AM
Sporty - you do realize that we, none of us, started out in the pro class, right? That we were all new and dumb at one time? In fact, that you find the pro class to be a natural progression of your newbie class actually strengthens Kat's point that they are doing their best, and are just too green to know better and will figure it out sooner or later.
Honestly - you don't even think it is a slight possibility that all these dancers who want you to be their daddy just (somehow, magically) know YOUR predilictions and tailor their attitudes for that in hopes of making the money (whether they do it successfully or not, I don't know)? I think what makes me lean in this direction is your constant assertion that hair pulling and spanking are these heavy-kinky, subculture activities that most guys are really intimidated by, as opposed to just run of the mill, shade-off-vanilla (even though I hate that term) sex that pretty much everyone partakes in. It seems to be all about you feeling special, like you are the only one who really gives it to them. Which is fine and good - a lovely fantasy as fantasies go - the tough, worldly older man who can bend the young woman to his will with his physical prowess. If it makes you feel good, I urge you to partake as often as possible - but, you seriously don't think there is a shadow of possibility that you, in fact, are not the only man to rock their world?
SportsWriter2
10-25-2005, 12:49 PM
Sporty - you do realize that we, none of us, started out in the pro class, right? That we were all new and dumb at one time?
I'd say "new and honest" although honest may be "dumb" in the context of this subculture. :-\
In fact, that you find the pro class to be a natural progression of your newbie class actually strengthens Kat's point that they are doing their best, and are just too green to know better and will figure it out sooner or later.
It's not pro vs newbie. It's pro vs amateur (in the sports tradition), where your identity comes from school or nursing or whatever else you do. I can always relate to the else part. I need it, because that's what defines your shared ethical values. :)
Honestly - you don't even think it is a slight possibility that all these dancers who want you to be their daddy just (somehow, magically) know YOUR predilictions and tailor their attitudes for that in hopes of making the money (whether they do it successfully or not, I don't know)?
That's not my prediliction, and it's one dancer formerly among my favorites (alas, too "stoned or something").
I think what makes me lean in this direction is your constant assertion that hair pulling and spanking are these heavy-kinky, subculture activities that most guys are really intimidated by, as opposed to just run of the mill, shade-off-vanilla (even though I hate that term) sex that pretty much everyone partakes in. It seems to be all about you feeling special, like you are the only one who really gives it to them.
Again no. I've said before that a submissive freak likes the act more than the person who does it for her. No loyalty in that, so it's about as personal as playing a two-button pinball machine. :-\
Which is fine and good - a lovely fantasy as fantasies go - the tough, worldly older man who can bend the young woman to his will with his physical prowess.
It's not about bending anyone. If they act like submissive freaks and you ask if they like their hair pulled, a simple "yes" is too lame to even consider. It has to be more like, "Oh my God, you have no idea."
If it makes you feel good, I urge you to partake as often as possible - but, you seriously don't think there is a shadow of possibility that you, in fact, are not the only man to rock their world?
You're absolutely right: anybody can rock her world, unless she feels so guilty and responsible that she needs to keep it a deep dark secret like some heroin addiction. Then you're the Methadone Man. :-\
This discussion belongs in this thread, because even when dancers are tolerant of hooking, they don't want dancers coerced into hooking (or into anything that's not really them).
Jenny, you do a superb job of defining issues.
mr_punk
10-25-2005, 08:13 PM
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:sheesh...and i thought politicians had the market cornered on double-talk.
SportsWriter2
10-25-2005, 08:30 PM
What exactly don't you understand? Why someone would do the quotes and comments thing with Jenny? ::)
Jenny
10-25-2005, 08:37 PM
I was about to say: Sporty, you're the only one who quotes me like that - I'm not even quoted like that by my boyfriend.
SportsWriter2
10-25-2005, 09:11 PM
I was about to say: Sporty, you're the only one who quotes me like that - I'm not even quoted like that by my boyfriend.
See, you thought up a reverse twist and made me feel special. I have no defense shields for bright and engaging. :)