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VenusGoddess
10-09-2005, 06:29 PM
Wow...I don't now how to respond to a parent that has no problem with this. How about if I came up to your table and threw my schlong out on it? Do you have no standards at all? After all, it's just an action, you can explain it to your daughter and I shouldn't be thrown out of Chuck E. Cheese, should I?

No, I will say this is ridiculous. Someone who comes up to my daughter and throws their "shlong" on the table is going to be walking away in extreme pain and weighing a little less. There is a big difference between WEARING a shirt that has the word FUCK on it and whipping your dick out in public in the face of a 3 year old. The first I can deal with...the second is not acceptable. But, I guess when you run out of things to argue with...anything goes. ::)

While YOU may think I have no problem with anything what-so-ever and I'm the model "bad parent of the year"...I do have a problem with them doing something that you described above. Does it make me a bad parent that I teach my daughter that it's a free country and there are more important things to do than police what everyone says around her? That's foolish. If you think that you're going to make the world a better place by JUDGING people and CENSORING people, then you're the one who's crazy. Maybe YOU think that the shirt was in bad taste...but that's your opinion. And, you know what? I could care less what people say/wear around my daughter. I may not agree with it...but, I am not going to haul off and bitch slap someone who says "fuck" around my daughter. I'm not going to get psycho on someone who is wearing the word "fuck" on their shirt and get all weak-knee'ed at the thought of having to "explain" what the word means to my daughter. I think it's worse walking past the newspaper stand with a picture of some war-torn country splashed across the front of it and having my daughter ask me what happened to those people. I think it's worse to walk past a homeless person on the street and have to explain to my daughter that not everyone has a home and that some people live in a different "reality" in their heads...I think it's worse to have to explain why mommy volunteers at the abused women's shelter and why we even have those shelters. It's worse to have to explain why she heard that there was a dead baby found in the dumpster when we went to get bagels (the bagel shop had the news on).

No sir...in the whole scheme of things. What someone wears on their shirt that some people find amusing and others find offensive...it's nothing compared to the actual reality of the world. If you feel better giving yourself something to focus on so you do not have to deal with the REAL problems of this country/world...that's fine. I have no problem with that. But, don't sit there on your high horse and tell me that I am crazy because I do not care that someone wears the word FUCK on their shirt or that they have the "balls" to wear a shirt that you find offensive. Like I've said before, there are more important things for me to deal with...censoring someone else's morals, viewpoints, language, or actions is simply not on that list.

FL Dancer
10-09-2005, 06:31 PM
How about if I came up to your table and threw my schlong out on it? Do you have no standards at all?
As for a man exposing his penis at a kids pizza place. You might keep in mind that act that is illegal. I really don't see how you can compare a flasher to the t-shirt the woman on was wearing on SWA.



And if you really believe that she was targeted for the political message of her shirt, then you're crazyT-backs that show over jeans offend some people.

Not wearing a bra offends some people.

Should we kick women off flights if those pieces of clothing offend someone ?

When they start throwing people off planes for those other shirts like the FCUK ones then I will believe it was about a words printed on the shirt and not something else.

If you want to call me crazy over that then so be it.

You are entitled to your opinion and like it or not, so are the rest of us.

Mr Hyde
10-09-2005, 08:28 PM
so, you all DO have some standards, it's just that your standards differ from most people.

No one is censoring this woman. If she wants to wear that shirt, she has the right. And SWA has the right to kick her off, and I have the right to walk up to her and tell her that she's a jerk for wearing it. If she chooses to express herself in a manner that is not deemed appropriate by society, then she should suffer the consequences of being shunned.

Why is it illegal for me to throw my schlong out on the table? What if I'm just "expressing myself" to you? Don't I have that right?

See what I mean? You're juding me for doing this, and that's not right. I'm just expressing myself.

jonniejasmine
10-09-2005, 09:10 PM
OMG.....she got kicked off for a tshirt.....and that sounds funny to me.....sorry, I stand behind my country and I don't agree with everything it has going on but it can't be easy running it either...but that is funny, the movie is funy , the very idea is funny, I wish I could print it out, to show everyone....

jonniejasmine
10-09-2005, 09:17 PM
ok did it say fuck or did it say fock...and yes I agree with it being freedom of speech and no I don't think she will have a big thing over this if she sues...but this is ridiculous. and for people to get so heated over this worries me

VenusGoddess
10-10-2005, 06:24 AM
If she chooses to express herself in a manner that is not deemed appropriate by society, then she should suffer the consequences of being shunned.

Which part of societal standards should she go by?

Mr Hyde
10-10-2005, 06:47 AM
The part that most people know about cursing/words considered offensive...that we say them only in adult company that we know will not be offended, or on print where a person who wouldn't want to see them wouldn't look for them.

I wouldn't walk up to a child, priest, or granny and say "how the fuck are you there!?" But I would say that to my old college roommate. And I wouldn't wear a t-shirt that has the word "fuckers" on it in public. That's just common sense, and so is knowing that people will be offended by it.

Look, I am not saying that she doesn't have the right to wear it. But with rights come responsibilities. I have the right to stand on a street corner and shout the word "fuck Bush" at the top of my lungs if I want. But I wouldn't do that because I know most people would be offended. Instead, I'd stand there and shout "I hate Bush."

Do you see what I'm trying to say? We have societal standards. Some or most are probably prudish, I agree, but we have them. We don't walk around naked in public. We try to be polite to each other. And we don't curse openly, either spoken or in printed.

doc-catfish
10-10-2005, 08:48 AM
If a business doesn't want shirts like that worn on their property then they have the obligation to state that policy clearly. The real question here is does SWA have a stated policy that forbids a t-shirt such as the "Meet the F*ckers" one the woman was wearing.

I found no such policy in my brief examination of http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/travel_center_policies.html


You need to look in the Contract of Carriage. (It's a PDF file so I can't copy paste it). But its stated under Section 10, "Refusal To Transport".

http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/coc.pdf (Requires Adobe Acrobat reader).

Pay attention to subsection F, item 1. (go to PDF file pages 10 and 11). Boldface emphasis by me:

F. Comfort and Safety - Carrier may refuse to transport or remove from the aircraft at any point any passenger in the following categories as may be neccesary for the comfort or safety of such passenger or other passengers.

(1) Persons whose conduct is of has been known to be disorderly, abusive, offensive, threatening, intimidating, or violent, or whose clothing is lewd, obscene, or patently offensive;

Understandably, the rule is buried in bunch of legalese fine print that 99% of passengers don't read (or need to), is somewhat vague, and its enforcement is still up to the discretion of the flight crew, but when you buy a ticket, you are in effect stating contractually that you accept said conditions. I can assure you that pretty much every other U.S. airline has similar procedures in place.