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Mastridonicus
12-07-2006, 08:32 AM
Consequently if find it insulting they would expect a tip for enjoyable conversation from me. I feel I have to speak out as some of the comments in here are starting to rile me. I feel these ladies actually benefit from the intellectual stimulation a lot of us can give them and the wisdom of our guidance can help them greatly. As a Lifetime VIP at Ricks I feel a responsibility to counsel them on many issues guiding them in a positive, motivating direction sort of like a guiding light. I have had dancers sit with me for an hour or longer engaged in conversation without even mentioning a dance.

You know, bro, you need to be wary of what you're asking of these people, really.


When I work, if I sit and bullshit with a client, I'm still getting PAID. If I am checking out at the cash register and the consumer decides to ask me questions, I'm still getting PAID.
If I am a professor and decide to talk to a student, I'm getting PAID.

I'm not going to ask the school to cut my wages cause I was just bullshitting and giving wisdom and guiding light.

Unless it's a horribly unique club, girls in the club are not being PAID, but they are blocking massive amounts of time out of their PERSONAL life to try and make money. They come in with hopes of making 200/300/500/1000 a night, and that amount is directly proportional to how many potential people they can get their pretty ass in front of that WILL pay.

Whether good conversation or bad, she's there to make money. Whether you're attempting to save her horribly disfigured soul or bullshitting about the rain, if you do not compensate her, you are now making it harder for her to achieve the optimum amount of income for that night.

You are a detriment to this girl's income. Plane and simple. No offense, but it IS what it IS.

IF you want to give them (being strippers) the wisdom and guiding light they need to wind up in your sig, then offer them to contact you while their off and compensate for their time in the club. Or, give them a name of a really good self help book. But please, don't believe you're doing any favors by coming in and trying to fix what appears to be an emotionally bruised and battered woman for free. You're not the good Samaritan. You're just like everyone else who tries to pull the same shit after a great line of SS with a different dialect.

I'm sure you're a good dude.... that's why I'm telling you. Stop bullshitting yourself.

RoseWhite
12-07-2006, 09:53 AM
^^^ Post of the year. ^^^ I hereby nominate Mast as Official StripperWeb Mascot.

Mast sums it up the core of it much better than I ever could, but I have one more thing to add: Star Player, that's the most condescending thing I have EVER read on this site. Ever. By far.

But then again, the dancers you choose aren't without fault, either. If they are sitting with you for more than an hour without making a sale, then you're targeting exactly the kind of naive fools who are bringing down this industry.

Mastridonicus
12-07-2006, 09:57 AM
But then again, the dancers you choose aren't without fault, either. If they are sitting with you for more than an hour without making a sale, then you're targeting exactly the kind of naive fools who are bringing down this industry.

Tell me about your childhood. It's obvious you seek enlightenment.

dlabtot
12-07-2006, 11:58 AM
As I give strippers intelligent conversation (I am a professional with a graduate degree) I doubt they would expect me to tip them for their time anyhow as my listening and helping them with their life problems is invaluable in itself to them.

Consequently if find it insulting they would expect a tip for enjoyable conversation from me. I feel I have to speak out as some of the comments in here are starting to rile me. I feel these ladies actually benefit from the intellectual stimulation a lot of us can give them and the wisdom of our guidance can help them greatly. As a Lifetime VIP at Ricks I feel a responsibility to counsel them on many issues guiding them in a positive, motivating direction sort of like a guiding light. I have had dancers sit with me for an hour or longer engaged in conversation without even mentioning a dance.

I love satire... this is funny stuff!

Lola Rose
12-07-2006, 08:57 PM
I think a good rle for this, since you want her to talk for longer then she probably would, is 50% for the 1st talking song, and 25% for each on untill you get dances. so, 5 songs, tip her 30$, assuming it's 20$ a dance. More if it's busy/ she may have other prospects. Or get dances spaced w/ convo

Star Player
12-07-2006, 11:01 PM
I have always been sincere in my desire to help strippers by guiding them with my wisdom. I feel a responsibility to help them especially holding them close during conversation and some caressing impressing on them that there is a certain kind of karma between older men and younger women that in many instances can lead to really intense enjoyment. Case in point - the Oneida Community.

It is insulting I should have to pay them to sit at my table when they come there willingly. I am becoming really distressed at some of the attitudes here like somehow custie convo is worthless. Is my buying them a drink not enough? If I take a lap dance, that should be tip enough.

Katrine
12-07-2006, 11:17 PM
Oh Derek, hold me close and whisper sweet romantic nothings into my ear as you tongue my neck! Be wise and generous when you offer me $30 for BBBJ. I'll wear my neon yellow sexy bikini for ya! ;)

All Good Things
12-07-2006, 11:46 PM
^ Derek reincarnates on the same cycle as TL. Do you think it's solar or lunar?

francescadubois
12-08-2006, 12:24 AM
You know, bro, you need to be wary of what you're asking of these people, really.


When I work, if I sit and bullshit with a client, I'm still getting PAID. If I am checking out at the cash register and the consumer decides to ask me questions, I'm still getting PAID.
If I am a professor and decide to talk to a student, I'm getting PAID.

I'm not going to ask the school to cut my wages cause I was just bullshitting and giving wisdom and guiding light.

Unless it's a horribly unique club, girls in the club are not being PAID, but they are blocking massive amounts of time out of their PERSONAL life to try and make money. They come in with hopes of making 200/300/500/1000 a night, and that amount is directly proportional to how many potential people they can get their pretty ass in front of that WILL pay.

Whether good conversation or bad, she's there to make money. Whether you're attempting to save her horribly disfigured soul or bullshitting about the rain, if you do not compensate her, you are now making it harder for her to achieve the optimum amount of income for that night.

You are a detriment to this girl's income. Plane and simple. No offense, but it IS what it IS.

IF you want to give them (being strippers) the wisdom and guiding light they need to wind up in your sig, then offer them to contact you while their off and compensate for their time in the club. Or, give them a name of a really good self help book. But please, don't believe you're doing any favors by coming in and trying to fix what appears to be an emotionally bruised and battered woman for free. You're not the good Samaritan. You're just like everyone else who tries to pull the same shit after a great line of SS with a different dialect.

I'm sure you're a good dude.... that's why I'm telling you. Stop bullshitting yourself.

:worship: I never thought I'd ask a man, but Mast, marry me!!!!

Lola Rose
12-08-2006, 12:48 AM
hey star, didn't you post in another thread about buying girls cars and giving them 500-1000$ gift cards???

Mastridonicus
12-08-2006, 08:52 AM
hey star, didn't you post in another thread about buying girls cars and giving them 500-1000$ gift cards???


He did, and I find this insanely counter-active. See what pisses me off, is he has the monetary means to play in the same court as TOO, yet he uses his money for control (but it's not really because these girls most likely don't think he's genuine, but hey it IS money).

I mean he could come into the club, see to it that everyone has a good time, make sure that every dancer's minute spent with him is paid for, could use his intelligence and wit to provide fun and humorous conversation, actually take the burden of "entertainment" off the dancers and provide some of his own, make the club have a good time and then leave making the club miss him because he understands what it's about. Controlling his end and the good time of those around them financially regardless of honesty or not. A true customer and gentleman needs no "freebies" and would not be "insulted" if someone expected compensation of their work regardless of how fun, enjoyable, and/or enlightening the time spent was. INSTEAD


He acts like he has a sense of entitlement cause he's a genius, has money and uses it, and is a lifepartner with Rick's V.I.P. program. He is insulted when people when dancers ask and thus expects them to jump through hoops with the hope of an expected payoff with an added bonus if she doesn't HAVE to get physical with him that time around.

Lets pull the veil here and call it what it is. Manipulation.

Mastridonicus
12-08-2006, 09:08 AM
:worship: I never thought I'd ask a man, but Mast, marry me!!!!

Honey, I'd rather spend 5 fun hours with an intelligent woman and not get laid and even pay for it, then 5 LONG tiresome hours with a hot dipshit just because I hope to get a chance to get laid.

Color me stupid but fun > laid.

So marriage is unnecessary. Just have a good time!

Mastridonicus
12-08-2006, 09:21 AM
^ Heh he's right though, it's not usual for me to go so long without a joke. Somethings hit me just right though, I feel I'm allowed. I'm not sorry, however believing stories has nothing to do with my reply I provide responses based upon the input I see.


But I'll back out since it's been requested of me.

casaubon1
12-08-2006, 11:55 AM
Actually Mast, I think you are saying what the rest of us are thinking. (Which is a switch because usually you say something so creative the rest of us couldn't think of it.)

I haven't a clue as to this guy's story, but if a guy who really has that kind of money hangs around SCs and is a gentleman, he will do exactly what you describe.

Lola Rose
12-08-2006, 12:19 PM
I haven't a clue as to this guy's story, but if a guy who really has that kind of money hangs around SCs and is a gentleman, he will do exactly what you describe.

yep. simple as that. But manipulation is a power trip for some people.

Silverback
12-09-2006, 02:32 PM
This is starting to drift a little close to that dangerous money/time vs. time/money discussion that always goes so well (usually ends up with a locked thread and bitter feelings).

Don't let me stop anyone, though. :)

fancygirl
12-09-2006, 04:40 PM
If it's kind of slow-- half priced is good. We normally pitch for one song then dance one or two songs, so if she's sticking with you and it's slow-- at least offer that and then maybe tip her five dollars later on that shift.

SlyGrin
12-14-2006, 03:35 PM
Interesting topic. I can't say I've paid for conversation at a club, however I would have if the girl had said it was expected. Typically it's just friendly conversation and I typically would mention to her that I didn't want to get in the way of her work but she is welcome to come chat if she needs to to relax a bit. I feel there's no harm if you're upfront about your intentions.

My .02

mild2wild
12-15-2006, 02:24 AM
I always ask the guy for a 'tip' for my time.... I usually get $20.00 and they dont want to go for a dance (Mind you a dance starts at $20.00) Some guys have given more and some less.... This is a great way for us dancers to still make money and tip. If the guy does give me a tip, I make sure I sit and talk for a little longer then I make my way 'back to work'

Star Player
12-15-2006, 05:05 AM
There are guys who will pay as much as say $200 for a dancer to sit with them at their table for conversation / drinks but no dances for a certain period of time - say an hour. Other guys in the club, not realizing whats going on, will wonder what she sees in him to sit there so long.

I don't understand this as the longer a dancer sits with me the more intense my desire to take lap dances with her becomes becomes.