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yoda57us
12-15-2005, 06:07 PM
I'd say it's $100 too much.

Isn't the business model that the professional gives gifts to the client on holidays, rather than the reverse? Sort of ..."We know you have a choice of many airlines to choose from, thank you for flying SW."

Well, that's not what the thread is about but, just for the record, I've recieved more Christmas, Birthday and even Valentines day gifts from dancers than I've given....and I've given lots.

There are some standard business practices that can be and are applied by smart dancers in SCs everywhere. Then again, there are some that are not. Often for the better.

Rick1
12-16-2005, 09:41 AM
I've thought alot about this thread.

My opinion is going towards; if you don't have contact with the dancer outside the club and you're not expecting that she will give you something, I wouldn't give her anything but a very nice and heartfelt Christmas wish. Most true friendships give both ways. Mostly, not all in all cases, but mostly the guys give, and the dancers take.

Save your money for people that really matter in your life, not the superfical friendship that comes from dancers.

Rick

hopeless romantic
12-16-2005, 10:52 AM
Well,

I actually get most of my pleasure at Christmas from giving not receiving gifts, what do I need at my age anyway? That's why kids are so fun to shop for.

Anyway, this site had made me pretty wary of predatory strippers feeding me lines, because I can't stand insincerity, so I would go, watch, tip, and pursue no other contact. Well one woman, near my age, pursued me a couple times, I'm sure just as good customer relations at first, but I have bought her drinks and sat and talked after her stage dances.

We talk about our lives, and to my surprise (because I never was looking for it) I feel pretty friendly toward her and really think she's a cool person. I don't want to date her, I don't want her to be my fantasy hot date in the club, I just like talking to her like friends.

So, I wanted to get her a modest gift, but again from some things here I thought either she'd resent it as too personal or take as something greasy like trying to buy her real affections. But this thread convinced me otherwise.

So I got her a couple gift cert's for things I know she likes (like Starbucks coffee) in the amount discussed here, and a funny card, and said in the card that I thought she was a cool person and a great mom (she talks about her son alot), and I meant it.

She was, as far as I can tell, genuinely touched and pleased. Because she wasn't expecting it she seemed more pleased than my wife would be with something 20 times more.

And for me that was golden, to see someone really enjoy a Christmas gift.

I know, she'd just a stripper, I'm just another of hundreds of drooly gross custies who she has to shower off when shift's over, we don't know each other OTC, etc etc etc.

But...Christmas comes but once a year, and we see only so many this side of the turf, why be cynical, who cares what comes in return. Give becasue you like the person and want to give.

my extremely long, and surely hopelss, 2 cents.

dlabtot
12-16-2005, 11:04 AM
Well,

I actually get most of my pleasure at Christmas from giving not receiving gifts, what do I need at my age anyway? That's why kids are so fun to shop for.

Very true... for example, maybe it is a little off topic because it has nothing to do with stripping, etc, but, I was torn as to whether to buy a present for one of my friends this year... I wanted to but I figured that he probably would not be getting me anything and I sorta thought that might be awkward or make him feel bad or something... in the end I decided to get him something just because I wanted to give him something...

Katrine
12-16-2005, 03:30 PM
Does a bank teller give gifts to customers coming in for frequent withdrawals? There is no standard business model in this world, quite trying to legimitimize it and make it for something its not. I'm so glad no cust has ever given me a present nor have I ever felt obligated to get one. I hate Christmas and I hate presents. :(

hopeless romantic
12-16-2005, 03:45 PM
If you always went to the bank on slow days, and chatted with the teller, you might just get them a small remembrance come Christmas. Why not? All relations need not be commercial, and all commercial relations need not be impersonal.

But I'm a sap. Remember in "Its a wonderful life", in the good world that has a George Baily, and he goes to Martini's bar and Mr. Martini doesn't want his friend Mr. Baily to drink too much? And in the Bad world, the bar is run by the bouncer where men come to get drunk fast, and they get tossed out for being too freindly? And in the end the banker, or rather Savings and Loan owner, George Baily, gets baled out by his customers? I'm a sap, but I like the first world, not the second. "No man is a failure so long as he has friends" sentimental crap, but it gets me every time!

Madcap
12-16-2005, 03:54 PM
Excellent movie.

Katrine
12-16-2005, 04:20 PM
I've never seen it. I'm a total Scrooge.

afxturnip
12-17-2005, 06:46 AM
Kat's stage name was Ebenezra this time of year.

Don't worry, Kat - I'm there with ya. Bah humbug!

-afx

hopeless romantic
12-17-2005, 07:54 AM
Wow, perhaps Tiny Tim truely aught perish, and decrease the surplus population! Bah, idlers and loafers, a poor excuse to pick an honest man's pocket every 25th of December! (If you haven't seen one of its many versions, that's from "A Christmas Carol" btw)

Frankly, I am incredulous that any person in America, who isn't as blind and deaf as Hellen Keller, or didn't grow up in a Militiaman's survivalist cave, hasn't seen "Its a Wonderful Life"...I mean they show it several times every Christmas season, on several stations. Zu Zu's pettles, Clarence...come on!

Let me guess, did you never see any of those great cheesey stop motion animation specials with Rudolf the red nosed reindeer (Heat Miser, Burger Miester Miester Burger...great stuff) or Charlie Brown and his scraggly little tree either?

christianx004
12-17-2005, 08:07 AM
^^ What wonder! What magic you speak of HR!

These moving picture stories, a place called "America", and "Zu Zu"....

How wonderous these things in your world are. I am a simple cave-man-poster and know not of such modern ways. Do not hate me for I am not familiar with your fantastic magical ways....

Rick1
12-17-2005, 09:13 AM
HR

I like your attitude about all this.

If you were to buy a dancer something, keep it simple. Don't spend big money or it makes you just look weak.

A few years ago, I became friends with a dancer outside the club. I bought her a very nice perfume set (not cheap). She wrote me an email about how much she liked it, and guess what she got me, nothing, I wasn't even worth a $3 card. There's a little more to this story, but I'm sure this has effected my giving to dancers from here on out.

Rick

Katrine
12-17-2005, 04:35 PM
HR,
Not everyone on the internet lives in, or is from, America.

SportsWriter2
12-17-2005, 05:15 PM
Does a bank teller give gifts to customers coming in for frequent withdrawals?
Well yeah. Mine always gives me a butter rum hard candy. For deposits, too. :)


I hate Christmas and I hate presents. :(
Wait a day and celebrate Kwanzaa. It's much more laid back.

bambiblue
12-17-2005, 07:53 PM
I think for VS it's too little. They have so much nice stuff there that it almost seems mean. I would say at least 200 but it also depends on how much money you can afford, and how important she is to you. I mean don't cut the kids short to give her a better gift.

hopeless romantic
12-17-2005, 07:58 PM
uh oh, apologies for being America-centric. I thought our cheesey pop culture had saturated the world (don't they watch Bay Watch in Hiedelburg and I Love Lucy in Lusutu?)

OK OK, take back the militia cave crack.

But presumably, as we are all typing in English, the Charles Dickens referances are intelligable yah?

Sorry, no harm meant, honest dumb ass mistake, gotta watch anothe Christmas Special on the mind sucker...

Meeerrrrrrrrryyyyyyyy Christmas to all, and to all a Good Night!